00:00:47 <10PleasingFungus> you left a really nice message on that one 00:02:03 <12ebering> yeah they put in a lot of work 00:02:25 <12ebering> would be cool to see a zot def fork hosted on one of the fork servers 00:11:43 <09gammafunk> !hs . zotdef 00:11:45 <04Cerebot> No games for gammafunk (zotdef sc<1000000000). 00:11:51 <09gammafunk> !hs devteam zotdef 00:11:53 <04Cerebot> 1070. 78291 the Pyromancer (L27 HOBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 16 runes on 2010-12-21 20:34:18, with 72584467 points after 22482 turns and 4:16:37. 00:12:02 <09gammafunk> got 16 runes, nice 00:40:35 -!- tiobot is now known as Guest6643 00:57:56 <08wormsofcan> re tmuts: make some tmuts that affect the surroundings like summon forest in addition to changing forms (maybe you can make noxious bog one of these) 01:10:19 spelltype_long_name(bit) 01:21:49 <08nicolae> terrain manipulation might work for tmut's secondary niche, although i guess that would require a lot of new spells and there's some of that already in other schools (frozen sheep components, summon forest, etc.) 01:25:14 <09gammafunk> remember what the goal is here 01:25:29 <08nicolae> the goal is to destroy crawl once and for all 01:25:38 <09gammafunk> add offramp to other skills and builds 01:26:04 <10PleasingFungus> also what nic at nite said 01:26:20 <09gammafunk> so you're not really making a "terrain manip" build, because that's not a thing you can define 01:26:27 <10PleasingFungus> i guess i hadn’t considered ‘spells that interact w terrain’ to be limited to any school 01:26:47 <08nicolae> coming up we've got reruns of i love lucy 01:26:49 <09gammafunk> you don't have to make it very pervasive, you can just pursue the notion in a spell or two; you don't care that it's terrain manip per se, you care that it's an effective damage spell 01:26:50 <10PleasingFungus> it seems too big a design space for us to want to restrict it like that 01:26:55 <09gammafunk> yes 01:28:19 <08nicolae> well, it was reruns of i love lucy back when i was still in the "watches nickelodeon and stays up until nick at nite", i assume by now it's, like, friends and seinfeld 01:29:12 <09gammafunk> terrain manip stuff just tends to be relatively complicated and the designs easilly lead to exploitative aspects, so it's more challenging to make well-balanced spells 01:29:19 <09gammafunk> but they are cool when they come todgether 01:29:32 <09gammafunk> tod-gether 01:31:31 <08nicolae> i haven't played fedhas in a very long time. does fedhas still have the thing letting you walk through plants. 01:31:44 <08nicolae> if so how much of a pain in the dingaling is the player-sharing-space-with-a-monster code 01:32:04 <09gammafunk> fedhas does still have that, yeah 01:33:11 <08nicolae> lurker form... you turn into a camouflaged glob on the floor like the t-1000, lie in wait until a monster walks on top of you and then BLAMMO 01:33:15 <08nicolae> fuck em up 01:34:52 <08nicolae> i'm going to look to the t-1000 for future inspiration for tmut spells 01:35:32 <09gammafunk> before you do that 01:35:42 <09gammafunk> I have one task for you that you must complete before the end of the 0.29 tournament 01:35:55 <09gammafunk> which is: win a tm, playing as a tm 01:35:58 <08nicolae> ...wait, when is that starting 01:36:10 <09gammafunk> maybe some time july, or early august 01:36:12 <08nicolae> yeah i should probably do that 😔 01:36:44 <09gammafunk> if you don't complete this challenge by end of 0.29 tournament 01:36:46 <09gammafunk> there will be punishments 01:37:08 <09gammafunk> probably klown-based punishments 01:37:22 <08nicolae> i will do my best then 01:37:58 <08nicolae> what species would you recommend 01:38:12 <09gammafunk> hrm 01:38:23 <09gammafunk> !lg * tm current won s=crace 01:38:25 <04Cerebot> 188 games for * (tm current won): 70x Octopode, 32x Draconian, 13x Ogre, 11x Gnoll, 7x Felid, 5x Mayflytaur, 5x Djinni, 5x Deep Elf, 5x Naga, 5x Palentonga, 4x Merfolk, 4x Demonspawn, 3x Minotaur, 3x Demigod, 3x Troll, 2x Kobold, 2x Formicid, 2x Human, 2x Vine Stalker, Meteoran, Tengu, Vampire, Gargoyle, Hill Orc 01:38:57 <08nicolae> my path is clear 01:38:59 <09gammafunk> op is hard mode, but fun, dr is classic, look for dragon form and enjoy dr perks, gnoll is straightforward and pretty easy if you're comfortable with gn gimmick 01:39:35 <09gammafunk> ogre is sort of pretty easy, mostly you just have a lot of HP, probably I'd recommend dr over og 01:39:51 <09gammafunk> djtm, wow 01:40:12 <08nicolae> i will go full hard mode and play a ghoul transmuter 01:40:27 <09gammafunk> please do, can't wait to send a lot of pies your way 01:41:59 <08nicolae> !lg * tm current won s=god 01:42:01 <04Cerebot> 188 games for * (tm current won): 42x Cheibriados, 30x Gozag, 27x Wu Jian, 15x Ashenzari, 14x Okawaru, 12x Ru, 9x The Shining One, 6x Jiyva, 5x Sif Muna, 4x Uskayaw, 4x Fedhas, 3x, 3x Hepliaklqana, 3x Qazlal, 3x Vehumet, 2x Yredelemnul, 2x Nemelex Xobeh, Zin, Makhleb, Beogh, Trog 01:42:58 <09gammafunk> please pretend chei doesn't exist, gozag is good and strong, hopefully you get more tm spells, ash/oka/ru very good, nemelex is another good general option 01:44:36 <09gammafunk> wu is good too but somewhat less straightforward than oka, provides a bit of escape ability that oka doesn't...truth is you are mostly free to pick a god you're comfortable with for tm, it doesn't require anything per se 02:57:59 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.29-a0-757-g358383bc75 (34) 03:46:04 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4753-g3cc4eb4eda 04:59:08 -!- Sting1 is now known as Sting 05:05:30 -!- indigaz7 is now known as indigaz 06:22:36 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4753-g3cc4eb4eda 07:43:15 FeTm is very fun. 08:28:58 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.29-a0-757-g358383b (34) 09:13:50 03advil02 07* 0.29-a0-758-g477250c084: fix: improve wording in weapon descriptions 10(82 seconds ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/477250c0846a 09:14:24 <06advil> I don't have time to do it now myself but someone should reconcile @ with the weapon desc delay stuff that I just tweaked, I left some comments 09:17:57 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-758-g477250c084 (34) 11:44:12 03ebering02 07* 0.29-a0-759-gb575a813fa: feat: rework and rename gnoll shaman -> bouda (nikheizen) 10(2 hours ago, 28 files, 129+ 65-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b575a813fa2f 12:08:06 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-759-gb575a813fa (34) 12:23:03 03hellmonk02 {ebering} 07[whatsdischarge] * 0.29-a0-760-gd72e128878: feat: Rework the static discharge formulas 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 12+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d72e12887852 12:23:03 03hellmonk02 {ebering} 07[whatsdischarge] * 0.29-a0-761-g4c3e83d15c: feat: Display airstrike and discharge damage 10(4 months ago, 4 files, 43+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c3e83d15cde 12:23:05 Branch pull/2415 updated to be equal with whatsdischarge: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2415 12:23:42 03hellmonk02 {ebering} 07* 0.29-a0-760-gd72e128878: feat: Rework the static discharge formulas 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 12+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d72e12887852 12:23:42 03hellmonk02 {ebering} 07* 0.29-a0-761-g4c3e83d15c: feat: Display airstrike and discharge damage 10(4 months ago, 4 files, 43+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c3e83d15cde 12:33:56 <10PleasingFungus> we should probably make monster airstrike damage match players’ 12:34:02 <12ebering> yeah I noticed that 12:34:10 <12ebering> even have half typed it in 12:34:11 <12ebering> ! 12:34:12 <10PleasingFungus> in retrospect, i don’t think there’s a compelling reason for them to have diverged 12:34:14 <10PleasingFungus> nice 12:36:22 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-761-g4c3e83d15c (34) 12:42:48 03ebering02 07* 0.29-a0-762-g3f25a06b81: feat: make monster airstrike damage match player's, display 10(89 seconds ago, 3 files, 9+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f25a06b8178 12:47:05 <03wheals> finally, gastronok buffs 12:48:01 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-762-g3f25a06b81 (34) 14:52:45 03U-DESKTOP-2MKRQ21\rosst02 {ebering} 07* 0.29-a0-763-ge2a13e336d: text: speech, death, and banishment lines for some uniques 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 128+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e2a13e336de0 15:00:12 hi - hey regarding that octopode hunter I was joking around about a couple days ago (hoping for all slaying rings): It's doing ok. Level 23, with a vorpal longbow. I didn't find gobs of slaying but it got up to 50 dex training stealth/dodging/ranged. Pretty fun, esp with infinite ammo, but nearly died several times, so it's a reasonably tough long-term route. It smoothed out adding storm form into the mix. 15:01:19 Not such a bad combo together, and there was enough xp to go around just barely: fire until range lost, transform. 15:02:22 -!- phoneCebolla is now known as spicyflump20kwow 15:02:36 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-763-ge2a13e336d (34) 15:02:37 Once storm form is functional, I don't know if the ranged is even really needed anymore, but given that you can't have that spell at the start - it seems a reasonable path to take. 17:12:27 03Brian Power02 {ebering} 07* 0.29-a0-764-g1c741a5a2c: refactor: externalise hints text 10(7 months ago, 3 files, 884+ 817-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1c741a5a2c43 17:15:07 <10PleasingFungus> hm 17:15:17 <10PleasingFungus> think that's a regression for HINT_NEW_ABILITY_GOD 17:17:44 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-764-g1c741a5a2c (34) 17:21:27 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-765-gdd995151d0: Fix minor hints mode issues 10(13 seconds ago, 2 files, 11+ 22-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dd995151d0dd 17:22:53 <13Sastreii> so, i was feeling that Louise the Corrupted wasn't very corrupted. i've tried to change that 17:22:54 <13Sastreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/992178435281666108/Schermata_2022-06-30_alle_23.18.31.png 17:22:54 <13Sastreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/992178435516543137/Louise.png 17:23:54 <10PleasingFungus> dang 17:24:27 <10PleasingFungus> tooth 17:29:21 <12ebering> I was thinking about an alt timeline Louise 17:29:36 <12ebering> No clue about spells/abilities 17:29:50 <12ebering> But one that the abyssal curse rotted 17:32:25 <08nicolae> L0/1S3 17:32:37 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-765-gdd995151d0 (34) 17:37:13 04Build failed for 08master @ 1c741a5a 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/2592777910 17:38:51 tag_upgrade; doesn't like HINT_SEEN_RANDART, also complaining of unused function 17:48:37 03kate-02 07* 0.29-a0-766-ga993524b14: Fix tag_upgrade compilation 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a993524b14c1 17:48:37 03kate-02 07* 0.29-a0-767-g967b614d45: Remove some unused stab messaging 10(29 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/967b614d45c8 17:48:37 03kate-02 07* 0.29-a0-768-ge8933c00c5: Update Spriggan's Knife description 10(27 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e8933c00c5a5 17:48:37 03kate-02 07* 0.29-a0-769-g18b9c4ed99: Interrupt delays on paralysis/petrification/sleep 10(4 days ago, 3 files, 79+ 41-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/18b9c4ed99a0 17:48:37 03kate-02 07* 0.29-a0-770-g2e8140cf71: Fix spelling 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2e8140cf71c5 17:54:26 04Build failed for 08master @ dd995151 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/2592819606 17:54:46 <05kate> looking into the delay thing taught me that delays are extremely weird, especially the ones like equipping/unequipping that have a prompt on whether you want to continue them when something tries to interrupt them. i guess it's fine that you can carry on equipping armour through stuff like banishment if you really want to and explicitly answer yes to the prompt 17:55:18 <08nicolae> well you don't want to show up in the abyss in just your undies 18:03:17 <08nicolae> you may recall that i have several vaults which have some kind of feature behind glass with a downstair inside, like a shop or an ecumenical altar, so that you have to go down a level and come back up in order to get to the thing. question: this would be rude to do for a temple entrance, yeah? 18:03:32 <08nicolae> or maybe not, if i made sure not to place it at the bottom of the temple entrance range 18:06:07 <05kate> there's already a much-loved temple entrance that does exactly that (and can place at the bottom of temple entrance range) 18:06:43 <08nicolae> oh, huh, guess i should probably look at the existing ones more carefully 18:06:57 <08nicolae> now, is there some way i can make it so that they have to go down two levels and then come back up, 18:07:16 <05kate> !vault minmay_temple_entry_from_below_a 18:07:18 <04Cerebot> Can't find minmay_temple_entry_from_below_a. 18:07:37 <08nicolae> oh, nice 18:07:42 <05kate> i forget if !vault works, guess not but that's the one (plus _from_below_b) 18:08:00 <08nicolae> yeah once i saw you post the vault command i just pulled up the des and looked for that name 18:08:07 <08nicolae> okay, thank you minmay, for establishing precedent 18:08:27 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-771-g4d60fd9eac: Unhide Damnation's damage rating (CarefulOdds) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d60fd9eac12 18:08:27 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.29-a0-772-ga24da20820: Break out extra throwing base damage separately 10(34 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a24da2082070 18:08:31 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-770-g2e8140cf71 (34) 18:17:46 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-772-ga24da20820 (34) 18:22:46 (!vault is the same as !source technically, it just needs an updated etags file.) 18:22:56 (IIRC) 18:23:28 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.29-a0-770-g2e8140cf71 (34) 19:16:58 <08wormsofcan> mlouisegotl 23:04:13 03Reono02 {ebering} 07* 0.29-a0-773-g7e9ac4eb86: vaults: new vaults by reono 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 55+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7e9ac4eb86ad 23:12:28 03RojjaCebolla02 {GitHub} 07* 0.29-a0-774-g250d9ad825: feat: set hp_colour to higher defaults 10(5 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/250d9ad82502 23:17:41 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-774-g250d9ad825 (34) 23:36:08 03ruxi02 {ebering} 07* 0.29-a0-775-g4d7333d4e2: feat: describe storm form's insubstantialness 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d7333d4e2e9 23:37:57 <08nicolae> let's say, hypothetically, that i made a lugonu temple where it was All Lugonu, Total Victory, zero other altars, for weighting purposes, would that be categorized in the "Lugonu temple" type or the "Extreme altar count" type or somehow both 23:38:13 <12ebering> Lugonu temple type 23:45:59 -!- MakMorn_ is now known as MakMorn 23:47:41 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-775-g4d7333d4e2 (34)