01:34:31 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-557-g43b9904bd1 (34) 01:54:53 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-557-g43b9904bd1 02:22:21 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.29-a0-557-g43b9904bd1 (34) 02:53:58 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.29-a0-557-g43b9904bd1 03:31:00 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4719-g50af30713d 06:22:47 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4719-g50af30713d 08:06:42 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.29-a0-557-g43b9904 (34) 09:52:20 -!- bhaak is now known as one-eyed-bhaak 09:53:12 -!- one-eyed-bhaak is now known as bhaak 10:18:07 03advil02 07* 0.29-a0-558-g883231c05f: fix: reword middle Ru sac level 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/883231c05fa4 10:32:54 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-558-g883231c05f (34) 10:36:58 04Build failed for 08master @ 883231c0 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/2462139051 10:46:06 <10PleasingFungus> @advil is medium clearly larger than modest? 10:50:53 <06advil> I think so 10:51:00 <06advil> do you disagree? 10:51:31 Is choko more than strawberry? 10:54:10 <10PleasingFungus> i’d consider those very close to synonymous 10:55:13 <10PleasingFungus> i’d probably lean toward the right interpretation, but with low confidence 10:57:41 <06advil> well, not synonymous for me 10:57:58 <06advil> way less so than major vs significant too 11:15:40 <09hellmonk> Rename sac tiers very smol, smol, medium, kinda chonky, chonky, extra chonky 11:16:36 <10PleasingFungus> oh lawd 11:38:37 <06advil> I guess it could just go "very small", "small", "medium", "major" (or "large"), "incredible" 11:39:14 <06advil> been a while since someone added a new fakelang 11:40:26 <10PleasingFungus> a real heckin chonker of a project 11:40:57 <08wormsofcan> where does thicc fit in this hierarchy 11:41:00 <10PleasingFungus> tiny, small, medium, large, giant 11:42:06 <06advil> if anything I find tiny vs small and large vs giant less clear than medium vs modest 11:42:09 <09hellmonk> Naming the sac sizes after the actions you perform in bop it 11:42:28 <09hellmonk> This is a twist it sacrifice 11:42:37 <08wormsofcan> name sacs after poker hands 11:43:16 <08wormsofcan> or betting actions 11:43:30 <08wormsofcan> this sacrifice is an ante 11:43:36 <08wormsofcan> this sacrifice is a raise 11:43:39 <08wormsofcan> this sacrifice is all in 11:43:42 betting actions sounds more like Nem 11:43:50 <06advil> hm does ⯨ show up 11:43:54 <06advil> guess not 11:43:58 not in my font 11:44:06 <10PleasingFungus> great idea. don’t wait for further discussion, just push it 11:44:09 <06advil> (half-star utf-8 char, guess we can't rely on it) 11:44:10 <08wormsofcan> emoji sacrifices?! 11:44:35 <09hellmonk> Eggplant emoji with increasing amounts of nut as the sac gets larger 11:44:37 <08wormsofcan> sacrifice 👀 11:45:08 <08wormsofcan> or would that just be 🙈 11:45:12 <06advil> ooh, ⁑ 11:45:51 <06advil> a ⁑⁑⁎ sacrifice 11:46:08 <09hellmonk> Isn't that just a pip display but fancier 11:46:44 <06advil> possibly the real problem here is that the pip display sometimes but not always indicates how to compare sacrifices 11:47:18 <06advil> the original complaint was about a case where both significant and major registered as * 11:47:24 <09hellmonk> I suppose the argument against just displaying the average piety number is that nothing else displays piety numbers 11:49:11 <09hellmonk> Because that would solve this problem 11:49:16 <06advil> it would 11:56:45 <10PleasingFungus> sacrifice IV 11:57:25 <10PleasingFungus> about 20% of the way to ****** 11:57:45 <06advil> I wonder about these breakpoints 11:58:16 <10PleasingFungus> (or 'about 1/5') 11:58:29 <10PleasingFungus> advil: ? 11:58:48 <06advil> how they line up with the numbers in practice 11:59:32 <06advil> and why they aren't evenly distributed 12:01:27 Faeu (L13 MiBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 234: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:3) 12:02:23 <10PleasingFungus> ahh 12:02:38 <06advil> also now that I've looked at them I wonder about the piety star breakpoints, wtf 12:03:17 <09hellmonk> Love too have nonlinear pip scales 12:03:39 <06advil> int breakpoints[NUM_PIETY_STARS] = { 30, 50, 75, 100, 120, 160 }; 12:04:04 <06advil> til 12:04:18 <09hellmonk> It's almost certainly hacky stuff to make the piety curve "feel right" for circa 2006 crawl 12:05:33 <09hellmonk> Semi serious fr: rescale pip size to 25 and nerf piet gain 12:06:24 <06advil> so the weirdnesses compound and a (after my rename) "medium" sacrifice guarantees moving from 1 to 2 or 4 to 5, but not any of the others 12:07:02 <06advil> major guarantees everything but 5 to 6 12:07:06 <09hellmonk> Actually wondering how bad the knock on effects of pip rescale would be 12:07:34 <09hellmonk> I guess youd want to add a seventh pip above 150 to keep them all equal size... 12:07:51 <06advil> some gods have a different cap too, right? 12:07:59 <09hellmonk> only ru, functionally 12:08:04 <09hellmonk> iirc 12:08:12 not newyred? 12:08:23 <09hellmonk> other than like, goz having an entirely different piety system 12:08:33 <06advil> a pip rescale to 25 sounds very rational to me, but you might be right about, who knows what it would do to pipfeel 12:08:36 <09hellmonk> oh, new yred might 12:09:33 <09hellmonk> The big balance concern, to me, is that you get to 1* earlier 12:09:46 <09hellmonk> So itd need some change to address that 12:10:11 <09hellmonk> Possibly some other weirdness 12:10:44 <09hellmonk> Maybe worth looking at that remove piety decay pr simultaneously? Idk 12:11:30 <06advil> how much quicker is 5 piety? I really have no sense of this from the player side 12:12:05 <09hellmonk> Well you start at what, 15? So it's about 1/3 of the amount you have to gain 12:12:14 <09hellmonk> Slightly more because of decay 12:12:36 <06advil> ah, I see 12:13:00 <09hellmonk> But you could do something like drop starting piety to 10 and basically fix that 12:13:01 <06advil> I wonder if that could just be lowered to 10 12:13:08 <06advil> yeah 12:13:36 <09hellmonk> Some minor concern about increasing excommunication chance maybe, doesn't seem super likely though 12:15:21 <09hellmonk> Does also let you run piety down lower without losing ability access ofc 13:12:28 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-559-g749fa68389: feat: CMD_MENU_... for menu navigation bindings 10(11 days ago, 9 files, 375+ 212-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/749fa683894b 13:12:28 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-560-g4b14fa2978: fix: tweak what bindkeys are allowed 10(10 days ago, 2 files, 44+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4b14fa2978b0 13:12:28 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-561-gb252b4543e: fix: improve overriding options for Menu subclasses 10(10 days ago, 8 files, 97+ 29-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b252b4543e14 13:12:28 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-562-g79742c4822: refactor: make menu quantity selection non-default 10(10 days ago, 7 files, 13+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/79742c4822f3 13:12:28 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-563-g0feaa1db96: refactor: generalize some numpad handling 10(9 days ago, 11 files, 86+ 100-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0feaa1db961c 13:12:28 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-564-g116abd55a5: fix: handle uppercase prompt menu defaults 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/116abd55a51b 13:12:28 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-565-g27b68f7cdc: refactor: Revamp SDL keycode handling 10(8 days ago, 10 files, 469+ 259-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/27b68f7cdc5e 13:12:28 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-566-g5520a3612c: fix: tweaks for ncurses keycode handling 10(6 days ago, 4 files, 69+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5520a3612c29 13:12:28 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-567-ga21482261d: feat: a few more mac-oriented console keys 10(47 seconds ago, 2 files, 23+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a21482261d29 13:43:17 04Build failed for 08menu-commands @ a2148226 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/2463179143 14:24:05 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-567-ge86940062d: feat: a few more mac-oriented console keys 10(72 minutes ago, 2 files, 23+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e86940062d42 14:29:05 <10PleasingFungus> hm, for channeled spells (flam.wav etc), should we tell local tiles players to click on the player to wait a turn instead of hitting '.'? 14:29:07 <10PleasingFungus> (or in addition) 14:29:14 <10PleasingFungus> seems consistent with how we do mouse controls elsewhere 14:49:59 03advil02 07[menu-commands] * 0.29-a0-567-g6c98443c02: feat: a few more mac-oriented console keys 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 30+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6c98443c0272 14:50:45 geekosaur: not sure how much you care but I updated the comment about keycode 127 in that last push 14:51:01 I saw 14:51:03 part of what I wanted to check is if it was really mac specific (seems not) 14:51:16 you'll probably find docs in the freebsd manual 14:51:29 heh that might be more trouble than I'll go to 14:51:46 I think the xterm faq entry cleared things up for me basically 14:52:13 since apple lifted much of that from freebsd-current when they built up macos 10 out of cmu mach + updates from the old 4.2bsd mach used 16:49:44 03advil02 07* 0.29-a0-559-g359e09b9d1: fix: minor tweaks to mac console exec script 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/359e09b9d141 17:02:34 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.29-a0-559-g359e09b9d1 (34) 18:22:43 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.29-a0-559-g359e09b9d1 (34)