01:34:36 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.28-a0-563-gf77a47075d (34)
01:55:44 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.28-a0-563-gf77a47075d
02:33:07 <Cbrotell> Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.28-a0-563-gf77a47075d (34)
02:53:52 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.28-a0-563-gf77a47075d
03:32:03 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4390-gf548871813
03:55:00 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.03-686-g16fc9ff2bf
06:23:08 <Lantell> Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4390-gf548871813
07:08:59 -!- Yermak_ is now known as Yermak
09:43:55 -!- Yermak_ is now known as Yermak
11:37:33 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> gloorx vloq. two versions, classic colors and "shadow" ones. i kept the head of the first one. added a gloomy outline in order to increase readability on dark tiles. (also the original tile has 3 grey misplaced pixels)
11:37:33 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/892797255009042462/Schermata_2021-09-29_alle_17.33.13.png
11:40:14 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> in case you want to use one of them
11:40:14 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/892797927653789726/gloorx_vloq.png
11:40:14 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/892797929478303804/gloorx_vloq_purple.png
11:42:15 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> dang, spooky
11:42:45 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i like the new one but i'd be sort of sad to lose the old one
11:42:52 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> he has such a big weird defined shape
11:42:55 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> legs for days
11:42:58 <Discord|> <12e​bering> leggz
11:43:04 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> new guy is more of a spookmaster
11:43:05 <Discord|> <12e​bering> maybe a spooky aura on the old one
11:43:18 <Discord|> <12e​bering> some touch ups to the leg definition, smooth it out
11:44:24 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> oh, i see the grey pixels now
11:44:27 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> that's funny
11:46:28 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> Oh they’re legs? I tought they were part of a fancy cape
11:47:09 <Discord|> <13S​astreii> I can adjust the old one then
11:51:06 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i can't tell if the small one has legs or a fancy cape
11:51:22 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i think the current one is very leggy
11:51:42 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> also worth noting that old one is very very old now
11:55:16 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> they can be both
12:03:30 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> where are wall/floor console colors defined for various branches?
12:04:24 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> ah, branch-data.h
13:06:54 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.28-a0-563-gf77a470 (34)
15:34:41 <Discord|> <05k​ate> A red film seems to cover your vision as you go berserk! [...] Your daeva goes berserk!
15:34:51 <Discord|> <05k​ate> excited for zealotsword buff / chaos brand nerf
15:35:39 <Discord|> <05k​ate> maybe it's a chaos buff that you can zerk fiends to stop them from tormenting you
15:35:44 <Nasst> Ok, so yellow draconian's breath doesn't splash if you aim behind the target
15:35:58 <Nasst> it also doesn't ask for confirmation if you aim behind a friendly target
15:43:12 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> nice
15:44:48 <Nasst> The ability code isn't very friendly to work with :(
15:45:12 <Nasst> Like, I feel like I should solve those bugs, but I have no idea how
15:45:29 <Nasst> And it feels irresponsibly to touch the code and leave those bugs in
15:45:54 <Nasst> I mean, yellow draconian should probably use some fireball-like targeter
15:48:04 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> there are an infinite number of weird issues and things to improve in dcss
15:48:18 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> if you go into a project trying to fix everything you encounter in dcss, you'll never finish anything
15:48:35 <Nasst> Makes sense
15:49:00 <Nasst> ```
15:49:01 <Nasst> if (!spell_direction(*target, beam)
15:49:01 <Nasst> || !player_tracer(ZAP_SPIT_POISON, power, beam))
15:49:12 <Nasst> ```
15:49:14 <Nasst> if (!spell_direction(*target, beam)
15:49:14 <Nasst> || !player_tracer(ZAP_SPIT_POISON, power, beam))
15:49:16 <Nasst> oops
15:49:31 <Nasst> I can-t figure out code blocks here
15:49:42 <Nasst> ```
15:50:06 <Nasst> ```        if (!spell_direction(*target, beam)
15:50:07 <Nasst> || !player_tracer(ZAP_SPIT_POISON, power, beam))```
15:50:09 <Nasst> nope
15:53:02 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> newlines
15:53:11 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> also uh i don't know if they'll work at all through the irc bridge
15:53:19 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus>  this works in discord
15:53:33 <Nasst> Which is the discord this is bridged with?
15:53:47 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> quasi secret dev discord
15:53:59 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i say quasi because almost all the chat gets mirrored over to irc anyway
15:54:02 <Nasst> i see, lmao
15:54:23 <Nasst> So, I can't figure out, like, at all
15:54:26 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> you can also wander over to the roguelikes discord if you like, a bunch of chat happens in #dcss over there
15:54:35 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> anyway, what's up?
15:54:53 <Nasst> why the player_tracer call is needed there
15:54:56 <Nasst> it IS needed though
15:55:03 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> what happens if it's not there?
15:55:11 <Nasst> without it, it doesn't ask for confirmation when firing through friendlies
15:55:16 <Nasst> here's the tricky thing though
15:55:24 <Nasst> draconians don't have it
15:55:32 <Nasst> and it DOES ask for confirmation
15:55:47 <Nasst> (that code snippet is for naga's spit poison)
15:56:15 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> neat
15:56:19 <Nasst> draconians instead do
15:56:20 <Nasst> if (!spell_direction(*target, beam))
15:56:21 <Nasst> return spret::abort;
15:56:37 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i'd have to dig into spell_direction and related code
16:02:45 <Nasst> I think draconian's cancelation happens here
16:02:58 <Nasst> if (zapping(ZAP_BREATHE_FIRE, power, beam, true, msg.c_str())
16:02:59 <Nasst> == spret::abort)
16:02:59 <Nasst> {
16:03:00 <Nasst> return spret::abort;
16:03:00 <Nasst> }
16:03:09 <Nasst> it checks for spret::abort
16:03:10 <Nasst> naga's does not
16:04:27 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> huh
16:05:55 <Nasst> Yeap
16:06:10 <Nasst> in particular, draconians call zapping with needs_tracer set to true
16:06:22 <Nasst> nagas does not, and the default is false
16:06:44 <Nasst> Draconians also have custom messages for their breath
16:06:48 <Nasst> naga just "fires"
16:15:53 <Nasst> It's like, most breaths share like 80% of the code
16:15:59 <Nasst> but its not the same 80%
16:16:35 <Nasst> I just can't figure out how to extract something that makes sense, to avoid code repetition.
16:17:04 <Nasst> I think I'll try to make something that works first, and then try to prettyfy it.
16:19:06 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> reasonable
16:21:07 <Nasst> Say I wanted to include a message for naga's
16:21:27 <Nasst> would "You spit poison." be reasonable?
16:21:58 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> a message?
16:22:19 <Nasst> Yes, like, if you're a red draconian
16:22:39 <Nasst> it outpust "You breathe a blast of fire"
16:22:46 <Nasst> when you use your breath
16:22:51 <Nasst> all breath weapons have one
16:23:14 <Nasst> even poison breath, which Nagas might get by mutating
16:24:44 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> but not poison spit?
16:24:49 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> that’s funny
16:25:00 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> you spit poison sounds good, yeah
17:33:30 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> "You hock a helluva loogie."
17:49:54 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/2165 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2165
17:49:54 <Cheibriados> 03Santiago Acosta02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2165 * 0.28-a0-561-gfef872df63: Implements showing % to-hit for breath abilities. 10(23 hours ago, 4 files, 214+ 138-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fef872df6373
17:51:01 <Nasst> It's... not good
18:21:12 -!- Yermak_ is now known as Yermak
18:23:42 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.28-a0-563-gf77a47075d (34)
18:51:54 <perryprog> Nasst don't forget to checkwhite!
19:18:05 <Nasst> done! Sorry about that
19:18:18 <Nasst> Should I push a commit that fixes the whitespace?
19:18:28 <Nasst> squash the whitespaces into the existing commit?
19:43:32 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> nasst: imo just push a fresh commit for now and squash it before merge
19:45:18 <Nasst> I pushed a fresh commit!
19:46:52 <Cheibriados> 03Santiago Acosta02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2165 * 0.28-a0-562-g8eae2dbf65: Whitespace fix 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8eae2dbf654d
19:51:57 <Cheibriados> 03Santiago Acosta02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2165 * 0.28-a0-563-gbb5d77066b: Removed unnecesary braces 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bb5d77066bd1
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20:58:46 <Discord|> <05k​ate> letting demons and holies go berserk has snowballed into wanting to redo a bunch of holiness restrictions and i'm learning so much
20:59:07 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> ooh
20:59:09 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i'm excited for lore
20:59:30 <Discord|> <05k​ate> apparently frenzy from discord/needles works on all holinesses, but non-natural monsters have to be animal intelligence or higher
20:59:37 <Discord|> <05k​ate> and only natural monsters get the haste and might
20:59:54 <Discord|> <05k​ate> everything else just gets the neutral state
21:02:14 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> oh i vaguely remember that last bit
21:02:33 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> someone was complaining/confused about that
21:02:38 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> understandably
21:06:40 <Discord|> <05k​ate> it also led me to poke at mass_enchantment in beam.cc, which is cleverly disguised as a way to apply arbitrary mass enchantments but is actually just a a whole bunch of separate distinct codepaths for mass fear, mass frenzy, mass control undead (which does not exist) and mass other (also does not exist)
21:10:34 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> yeah it rules
21:10:48 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i thought i removed one of those a few months ago
21:11:11 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> maybe i only removed part of it, or something
21:15:53 <Discord|> <05k​ate> i might push this stuff to a branch when i make some more progress but my loose plan was to try and loosen some holiness restrictions so that demons and holies can go berserk and be feared, and plants maybe don't have innate negative energy immunity? since plants are like, a bunch of actual monsters now instead of just decoration, it does feel like you should be able to drain them (and that vampiricism should work on non-firewood plants?),
21:15:53 <Discord|> but torment/pain flavoured stuff maybe doesn't feel right on plants
21:20:51 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> hm
21:21:22 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> torment immunity vanishing from trees would make some players v sad
21:23:07 <Discord|> <05k​ate> i guess it's technically possible for them not to have rN but to still be torment immune, don't know if that's good though
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21:27:46 <perryprog> Could they just not be considered valid targets whatsoever?
21:28:32 <perryprog> And while we're at it, maybe for scroll of fear too... it is a little annoying to get "A small bush is unaffected ⨉ 80" when you read one near some foliage
21:34:25 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> %git c6d2f85da4ec0a834a5c1c43af3914a7db36f18d
21:34:25 <Discord|> <04C​erebot> PleasingFungus * 0.27-a0-1210-gc6d2f85da4: Rewrite cause fear code (vt) (4 months ago, 11 files, 28+ 16-) https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c6d2f85da4ec
21:34:56 <Discord|> <05k​ate> aha, nice
21:35:53 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> keep rtorm on lig pot imo, thats Tech
21:35:54 <Discord|> <05k​ate> good news, i simplified it a bit more and am also not happy with the resulting code
21:35:56 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> lol
21:35:57 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> go team
21:36:01 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> ebering can simplify it next
21:36:04 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> or advil maybe
21:36:29 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> Alao big funny when ppl quaff lig for rtorm and then die from not being able to move
21:36:34 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus>      // XXX: monsters are immune to fear when berserking.     // should players also be?   didn't decide how i felt about this
21:37:02 <perryprog> IMO yes because that makes sense gameplay wise
21:37:16 <Discord|> <05k​ate> i think my simplification does fix the message spam for ?fearing plants though, as-is there's a firewood check but it gets ignored 100% of the time because it's on one of the abandoned side codepaths
21:38:36 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> lol
21:38:41 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> long forgotten byways
21:38:58 <perryprog> Also, comparing to D&D 5e's Path of the Berserker rage... (aka "berserk rage") that ignores frightened. If that's not PROOF that my opinion is objective fact I dunno what is :>
21:40:26 <Discord|> <05k​ate> hmm, one weird thing about holinesses is that MH_HOLY is both "holy creatures" and "things that worship good gods"
21:40:47 <Discord|> <05k​ate> so i think in my current branch, worshipping TSO on a gargoyle makes you no longer immune to fear
21:42:06 <perryprog> That's... kinda funny
21:42:30 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> hm
21:42:38 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> that's very odd
21:45:23 <Discord|> <05k​ate> i could get around it but it's just all made weird by the fact that things can have multiple holinesses, unfr: that
21:46:06 <Discord|> <05k​ate> ideally things could only have exactly one holiness, MH_EVIL shouldn't be a holiness, and evil/good should be checked in a different way
21:46:13 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i forgot about mh_evil
21:46:31 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> fr: morality (good, evil, neutral)
21:47:18 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> holiness is, like, what kind of thing you are, right? demon, undead, regular, nonliving, angelic-type, etc?
21:47:27 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> yeah, also plant
21:47:42 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> you may ask "why is it called holiness"
21:47:53 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> monster fear kinda bad anyway tbh, what still has that? Just satyr and eidolon?
21:48:01 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> i'm guess it was originally "demons, angels, regular" and got expanded
21:48:20 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> two other monsters, huh
21:48:23 <Discord|> <05k​ate> one of the eyes maybe?
21:48:24 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> mlioglotl got cause fear
21:48:35 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> (for now...)
21:48:39 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> and kate is pretty close
21:48:43 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> ||glowing orange brain||
21:49:05 <Discord|> <05k​ate> that's the one! basically an eye imo
21:49:12 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> sure, why not
21:49:40 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> When the moon hits youe brain like a big pizza pane
21:49:52 <Discord|> <05k​ate> that and great orb of eyes are interchangeable "G-glyph monsters with a bunch of weird spells you have to look up every time" imo
21:50:17 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> no no
21:50:25 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> great orb of eyes has one fantastic distinguishing feature
21:50:31 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> ||gnashing eyeteeth||
21:50:33 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> Yeah it disints
21:50:34 <Discord|> <05k​ate> eyeteeth!!!!
21:50:38 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> 🙂 🙂 🙂
21:50:56 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> it can paralyze you for 7 turns, or it can disint
21:51:56 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> oh
21:52:04 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> oops, wrong channel
21:56:38 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> it does kind of make sense to separate "which kind of being" from "which gods like you" but that seems a lot of effort
21:57:32 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> eh
21:57:35 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i'm not sure it'd be that bad
21:57:42 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> mh_evil is used in like two places, for example
21:58:15 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> wow i was literally right
21:58:33 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i could remove it right now if kate wasn't already tinkering around with that stuff
21:58:46 <perryprog> do it anyway. Merge conflicts build character.
21:58:48 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> ...also if i wasn't working on a game i'm trying to release on friday...
21:58:59 <Discord|> <05k​ate> yeah, i'll try and do it alongside this stuff probably
21:59:03 <perryprog> (Okay I should go to bed because I'm being SO helpful right now.)
22:00:17 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> also it's weird to me that abyssal creatures and constructs have the same holiness but i don't plan to be the one to sort it out so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
22:01:18 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i agree, but also, in what ways would they act differently?
22:01:20 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> actual question
22:03:47 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> and a good question
22:09:10 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> very obscure answer: resonance strike shouldn't get bonuses from eldritch monsters
22:10:31 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> good answer
22:18:34 <Discord|> <05k​ate> there used to specifically be a distinction between constructs and other nonliving stuff, even!
22:18:47 <Discord|> <05k​ate> to figure out which things yred hated
22:19:44 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> rip
22:29:17 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> god of unliving things. as you gain piety slowly lose your living features.
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22:47:16 <Discord|> <05k​ate> going to go completely wild with lore claims in the commit messages here. demons and holies are the same except for the gods they worship, and they feel emotions, unlike gargoyles which don't feel emotions and don't have souls
22:47:27 <Discord|> <05k​ate> if it's in a commit message it's canon imo
22:49:35 <Discord|> <12e​bering> Rip the last vestiges of mulitholi
22:51:19 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> wow
22:52:35 <Discord|> <05k​ate> apparently (aside from MH_EVIL weirdness) we do still have one actual multiholiness set of monsters
22:52:53 <Discord|> <05k​ate> and it's my other favourite thing, monster demonspawn!
22:58:03 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> i was thinking of that earlier when i was pondering decoupling evil/holy from essential nature, demons and holies are the same "class" but just aligned with different deities, i couldn't think of a good name... supernal? celestial? ethereal?
23:19:27 <Henzell> Arkaster77 (L7 DrIE) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:6)
23:20:09 <Discord|> <11n​ikheizen> ||outsider||