00:36:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-509-g2eadbcdadc: Cut late-game XP 10(63 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2eadbcdadce4 00:36:33 03AdamPG02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.28-a0-510-g2e89a317aa: Reduce the experience cost of high-level skills 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 29+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2e89a317aa34 00:36:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-511-gcc94558de3: Reduce delay for top-end twohanders 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc94558de3af 00:49:15 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-511-gcc94558de3 (34) 00:54:38 <|amethyst> Lochaber axes, huh 00:54:53 <|amethyst> haven't seen that since before I started playing 00:57:23 <10PleasingFungus> heh, happy someone noticed that one 02:39:51 Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.28-a0-511-gcc94558de3 (34) 03:39:16 Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4369-gf34790d913 06:22:53 Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-4369-gf34790d913 07:50:30 lots of cool balance changes, that's fun 08:12:14 <06advil> @|amethyst thanks! I've heard of the shared memory block but would have had no clue how to do that, looks like dgamelaunch -s is working now 08:13:44 Reading up on what was said, so checked a man page for ipcs... "BUGS This manual page is woefully incomplete, because it does not at all attempt to explain the information printed by ipcs." 08:13:47 >.> 08:13:50 <06advil> @gammafunk I restored http://crawl.akrasiac.org/cgi-bin/dgl-status/index.html, with a timeout so that it won't cripple the server again 08:49:22 mmoncure (L7 GrEE) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (Sewer) 08:54:59 !crashlog 08:55:00 24066. mmoncure, XL7 GrEE, T:4394 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/mmoncure/crash-mmoncure-20210921-124920.txt 08:58:09 odd place for sigabrt 10:27:21 03advil02 07* 0.28-a0-512-g960c72b710: fix: clean up failed crawl processes correctly in webtiles 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/960c72b71053 10:33:18 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-512-g960c72b710 (34) 11:48:32 advil: Thanks for weighing in on Webtiles testing 12:00:43 <08nicolae> me, yesterday: "i need to finish up these hell vaults, i've been working on them for weeks and i'm getting distracted from doing actual work" me, falling asleep yesterday: "there are a lot of bits from dante's inferno that could inspire vaults" 12:04:21 just remember to take from more sources than just Inferno. otherwise it's too much like taking everything from Tolkien 12:04:32 <08nicolae> oh sure 12:05:23 <08nicolae> i've drawn from other sources besides the inferno, such as my burning hatred of players 🔥😠🔥 12:06:08 nicolae, do you have any Super Cool hell encompass vaults 12:09:58 <08nicolae> a few, i made sure to do 1-3 for each hell 12:10:04 :D 12:10:11 <08nicolae> well, i made 1-3 encompass vaults, i can't guarantee they're super cool 12:10:26 ell 12:10:28 well* 12:10:32 I'm sure the Cocytus ones are super cool 12:10:36 <08nicolae> heyooooo 12:16:15 Pinkbeast: no problem, hope it has an impact long run 12:17:15 (it's something that's been bugging me, as you may have noticed, and this time I finally didn't bite my tongue) 12:19:53 Well, it's been bugging me for different reasons :-) 12:56:19 <13Sastreii> swamp WALL tiles. for real this time 12:56:20 <13Sastreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/889917975157698590/Schermata_2021-09-21_alle_18.51.32.png 12:56:25 <13Sastreii> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/889917999631462440/theRealSwampShady.zip 12:59:04 <08nicolae> oh SHIT 12:59:10 <08nicolae> those rock 12:59:14 <08nicolae> er, those stone 12:59:19 <08nicolae> bah dum tsh 13:01:33 <08nicolae> also, unless a player reads the comments on the vaults, it probably won't be obvious at all that the vault is intended as an inferno reference. i mean the demonic trees with the spectral harpies might be noticeable to die-hard dante fans but the others are kind of abstracted 13:05:32 <08nicolae> a lot of the references i make with vaults are going to be nigh-inscrutable without reading the vault name/comments, and sometimes even then nobody will notice. which is fine, the purpose of a vault is to present a challenge to the player, or to break up the randomness of the scenery, not to see how many people will recognize an incredibly indirect x-files reference. 13:06:02 Or they're for "Trog Murder Moments" 13:06:16 <08nicolae> oh you gotta have those, yeah 13:06:41 Though I actually think the spellbook one is funnier, considering the only spell it contains is apporporation 13:06:44 or however you spell it 13:08:23 <10PleasingFungus> ap port a tion 13:08:45 none of those are words tho 13:08:53 except for "a", I know that one 13:09:05 <10PleasingFungus> apport, french, "to bring" 13:09:41 <10PleasingFungus> -ation, noun-forming suffix ("moderate -> moderation", "hibernate -> hibernation", etc) 13:09:56 "apport", a place where ships stop 13:09:58 <10PleasingFungus> reference also "porter", "port", "portal" 13:10:26 <10PleasingFungus> "porterhouse steak" 13:10:41 this is crawl, not portal 2 13:10:49 geez 13:10:50 <10PleasingFungus> pinkbeast: if only you could see all the discord emote response you're getting right now... 13:11:05 <10PleasingFungus> perry: yeah, we haven't even started talking about portal of golubria yet! 🙂 13:11:32 !learn add IRC_reasons pinkbeast: if only you could see all the discord emote response you're getting right now... 13:11:33 IRC reasons[1/1]: pinkbeast: if only you could see all the discord emote response you're getting right now... 13:21:09 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.28-a0-512-g960c72b (34) 13:29:14 <10PleasingFungus> lol 17:05:19 03amcnicky02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2078 * 0.28-a0-191-g73bc0b22da: wip: rework and streamline the dreamshard necklace 10(5 minutes ago, 38 files, 81+ 356-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/73bc0b22da48 18:23:58 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.28-a0-512-g960c72b710 (34) 18:35:30 <09gammafunk> those look really good, thanks a lot 19:23:08 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-513-g47465dbb04: Tweak orc weapon offsets again (ardl, gammafunk) 10(15 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/47465dbb04dd 19:32:50 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.28-a0-514-g0d7ab7f379: An immobile stone gathers much moss (Sastreii) 10(30 seconds ago, 6 files, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0d7ab7f37926 19:33:13 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-513-g47465dbb04 (34) 19:34:15 New branch created: nicolae-hothells-0921 (6 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/nicolae-hothells-0921 19:34:15 03nicolae02 07[nicolae-hothells-0921] * 0.28-a0-513-ge100394262: Add new vaults to Dis 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 549+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e1003942624f 19:34:15 03nicolae02 07[nicolae-hothells-0921] * 0.28-a0-514-gc531c2a5f8: Add new vaults to Gehenna 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 515+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c531c2a5f80d 19:34:15 03nicolae02 07[nicolae-hothells-0921] * 0.28-a0-515-g4b7d50d030: Add new vaults to Cocytus 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 542+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4b7d50d03081 19:34:15 03nicolae02 07[nicolae-hothells-0921] * 0.28-a0-516-gcfeff5ea4d: Add new vaults to Tartarus 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 521+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cfeff5ea4d84 19:34:15 03nicolae02 07[nicolae-hothells-0921] * 0.28-a0-517-g5fee593d90: Move multi-Hell vaults to their own file 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 395+ 176-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5fee593d9011 19:34:15 03nicolae02 07[nicolae-hothells-0921] * 0.28-a0-518-gb0ce2b414f: Add Gehenna lava maze vault 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 1439+ 395-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b0ce2b414fe8 19:39:23 New branch created: pull/2153 (6 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2153 19:39:23 Branch pull/2153 updated to be equal with nicolae-hothells-0921: 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/2153 19:43:03 Looks like the training dummies that can generate in the firing range vault can actually be "sleeping" for a few ticks when you first see them. 19:49:02 <08nicolae> i did notice that but i felt weird making them generate_awake 20:04:15 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.28-a0-514-g0d7ab7f379 (34) 20:05:51 04Build failed for 08nicolae-hothells-0921 @ b0ce2b41 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/1259705389 20:06:31 <08nicolae> aw, what the hell 20:19:19 <12ebering> Sweet 20:31:32 <10PleasingFungus> spaces at eol: dat/des/branches/hells.des 20:31:34 <10PleasingFungus> owned 20:32:13 <08nicolae> mother fuck, i checkwhited and everything! fuck you git 😠 20:51:32 <09gammafunk> @nicolae many of us use a pre-commit hook that essentially runs checkwhite+unbrace to warn and prevent commit 20:52:09 <08nicolae> hooks are for fish, songs, and bad performances 😠 20:52:46 <09gammafunk> bad performances? perfect for nicolae vaults then :wfrTeeth: 20:53:01 <08nicolae> nooooo 20:53:14 <08nicolae> my own comments turned back around uponst me... 23:21:20 <10PleasingFungus> reposting this: Let's say that, for some reason, we don't remove ranged weapons. Let's say that we want them to stick around as a 'primary killdudes method', or 'playstyle' for short. For spells, we've been moving away from having a ton of precisely targeted effects, because optimizing the wiggle of your targeting cursor is something that isn't that fun to do several thousand times per game. It's fine to do sometimes, so having 23:21:20 some spells, wands, etc require the good wiggles is fine, but it's probably not something we want to have as a playstyle. We've played with some other targeting modes for spells - scorch and tremorstone hitting random things, flame wave hitting an area around you, etc - but i don't think any of those would 'feel' right for ranged weapons. So: what kind of targeting would make sense for a hypothetical reformed range weapon playstyle? 23:31:36 03advil02 07[stone_soup-0.27] * 0.27.1-2-g3b301248ec: fix: prevent bad array access for describing unid'd staves 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 7+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b301248ece3 23:34:12 <10PleasingFungus> @advil oh, is that the reddit crash? 23:34:36 I think so, they mentioned a lajatang but there were a couple of staves right next to it 23:34:43 <10PleasingFungus> thanks! 23:35:41 i assume this idea has already been floated and vetoed? shots that fire only in the 8 "straight" directions, automatically don't hit allies, and otherwise go out to full LOS until/unless hitting something? 23:36:21 <10PleasingFungus> as in, firing over allies? 23:36:37 stop at or pass over, w/e 23:36:49 just, not a bunch of "are you sure?" prompts ;) 23:36:52 <10PleasingFungus> ha 23:37:05 <10PleasingFungus> oh, you're just saying that you'd have . targeting built in? 23:37:25 <10PleasingFungus> rather than having to worry about shooting at a yak and hitting your friendly orc behind it? 23:37:37 right, it does . as needed to avoid hitting allies, no interaction 23:37:45 <10PleasingFungus> gotcha 23:38:39 <10PleasingFungus> the idea of just firing in the cardinal directions has been discussed before; i'm not sure that it's been 'vetoed' but there were concerns 23:39:16 <10PleasingFungus> starburst candy runs on a similar principle and people haven't been super positive about its targeting 23:39:33 voice typed "kinda" there? 23:39:47 <10PleasingFungus> no, that would be good though 23:40:00 <10PleasingFungus> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/890079963334713384/127415-01_starburst-fruit-chews-candy-3lb-bag.png 23:40:10 <10PleasingFungus> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747522859361894521/890080004023664720/GUEST_d67615aa-dc4d-41a9-99de-938f940bf4cb.png 23:40:17 <10PleasingFungus> delicious 8-directional fire blasts 23:40:25 <10PleasingFungus> fuel of my childhood 23:42:15 <10PleasingFungus> anyway, the wiggling required to hit something a long way aways via cardinals can be a bit burdensome 23:42:24 <10PleasingFungus> i think it'd be fine as a rare effect 23:42:37 <10PleasingFungus> eg ele evoker or god power 23:42:46 hrm 23:44:17 <10PleasingFungus> alternately, it'd be fine at short range 23:44:30 <10PleasingFungus> like up to range 2 or 3 maybe 23:44:49 <10PleasingFungus> eh... maybe 23:44:59 adviltest (L1 DDFi) Crash caused by signal #11: Segmentation fault (Elf:3) 23:45:33 i'd ruther move around than line up targeters. and maybe monsters could try to line up on cardinals to make things faster 23:45:49 or, what if ranged attack automatically shot towards the lowest HP target. so it tends to prioritize wounded, then mages, then tougher types 23:45:53 <10PleasingFungus> wow advil 23:46:07 <10PleasingFungus> lowest hp target would be an information leak 😛 23:46:11 <10PleasingFungus> players don't know what hp enemies have! 23:46:16 sorry, was just double checking if I can get that to happen in webtiles too 23:46:36 <10PleasingFungus> you could say 'shoot at the closest enemy, prefer wounded enemies, otherwise choose randomly on ties' 23:46:48 <10PleasingFungus> i think that would confound player expectations a bit, though 23:47:10 <10PleasingFungus> "why can't i control where i shoot, like i do with wands, spells, etc?" 23:48:18 <10PleasingFungus> advil: no need to apologize, was just amused