00:06:25 <Yermak> Probably? Heh, he takes off half of hp through rElec.
00:09:06 <Yermak> Sounds like I'm complaining, but I actually like it.
00:20:04 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> depends on distance , as before
00:20:16 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> he does less than half damage at edge of LOS
00:20:37 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> and other targets getting in the way also reduces damage by arcing
00:21:00 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> but yes, glad he’s not just a -1 pot of resistance and done unique anymore
00:24:15 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> now u have to phial him
00:24:17 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> poggers
00:31:57 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> phial is a pathway to defeating many uniques in a way some consider to be... unnatural
01:02:59 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.27-a0-1579-g97d2440184: feat: Adjust aspects of three transporter vaults 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 121+ 132-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/97d2440184f4
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03:31:53 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4217-g7c68dc2372
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04:21:46 <Mandevil> Prince Ribbit mumbles some strange words.
04:21:47 <Mandevil> _Prince Ribbit easily resists.
04:21:56 <Mandevil> ^ I think Ribbit is resisting his own teleport.
08:35:10 <jilles> interesting, the seven-league boots may teleport you over a trap or invisible monster
08:42:30 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> Yermak: did you try the new ctrl-t binding?
08:43:07 <Yermak> no
08:43:13 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> I could remove one of the escs but it seemed to me that the ui is more generally useful with it
08:45:06 <Yermak> heh, ctrl-t gets intercepted by firefox - new tab
08:45:38 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> Hm, i did only test on mac
08:45:54 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> Where it works
08:46:17 <Yermak> yeah, did it with *t, it's a bit faster
08:46:54 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> Does ctrl-m also get intercepted on windows? (Currently unbound)
08:47:12 <Yermak> not for me
08:47:48 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> Did it produce an unknown cmd message?
08:48:24 <Yermak> yes
08:49:00 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> Huh, could not get that to work at all on Mac but that would be a better binding anyways
08:50:48 <Yermak> What's the difference between "redefine" and "redefine with raw key entry"?
08:51:52 <Yermak> ok, I think I got it
08:52:42 <Yermak> I don't understand why do we need any dialog after I'm done entering my macro.
08:52:48 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> r is a regular text entry box, R lets you directly enter anything but enter and esc
08:53:19 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> It would let someone who makes a mistake cancel
08:53:26 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> Or redo
08:53:45 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> But I can remove that probably
08:55:43 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> Esp if I only get feedback from people who want to change macros very quickly
08:56:24 <Yermak> But you can fix your macro with the new ctrl-d press especially now when you're presented the full list of your active macros.
08:59:54 <Yermak> It could be that my reluctance to adapt to your new system is speaking, but I think pressing extra key(-s) there is really unnecessary.
09:01:41 <Yermak> I guess I'll bind ctrl-t to ctrl-d for now, only one 'Esc' to press there.
09:05:24 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> I will consider
09:05:53 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> Also I will move the default for quick add to ctrl m if that works
11:08:01 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> @gammafunk the level layout code does not path through transporter vaults for connectivity checks
11:08:09 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> unless there is an actual path
11:08:58 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.27-a0-1580-g6eef9f81b9: fix: move macro quick-add to ctrl-m 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6eef9f81b989
11:09:18 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1581-g9c98e07f0c: Decay mon breath timeout at EOT (mishima, gressup) 10(16 minutes ago, 4 files, 13+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c98e07f0cf9
11:09:27 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> or unless they have the passable tag
11:11:51 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> emtedronai_trogs_sanctum was probably buggy in that it unconditionally had the passable tag
11:12:15 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> I know we had a recent report about its a trap but I think that was a 0.26 game
11:13:39 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> basically I think a less interventive fix that would have covered all active bugs I've been able to replicate would have been to simply conditionalize the passable tag in emtedronai_trogs_sanctum
11:14:21 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> that's why I was talking about making passable only work in vaults the other day, I think it's very rarely (if ever) desirable levelgen behavior outside of vaults
11:17:35 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> are you saying conditionalize as in only add the tag in Vaults branch?
11:18:08 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> Maybe I don't understand, but it seems that those "broken" placements were still happening for vaults like its_a_trap; those do have a condition to use passable only for Vaults
11:18:38 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> actually, as an aside, I learned that its_a_trap won't actually place in Vaults for reasons I can't determine, but trogs_sanctum and dig_for_victory are in fact placing there (as vault rooms)
11:19:23 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> did you actually replicate them for its_a_trap? It's definitely possible there are other bugs but when I originally fixed it I was able to confirm that conditionalizing passable fixed it
11:19:28 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> on a specific seed
11:19:47 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> maybe I should look into that in more detail; what prompted the commit was that very recent report
11:20:00 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> yes: : if you.in_branch("Vaults") then TAGS:   passable : end
11:20:18 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> right, all three vaults had that code at the time of this recent report, let me check the report itself
11:20:21 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> yeah the one yesterday was the one that didn't conditionalize that tag
11:20:37 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> emtedronai_trogs_sanctum doesn't
11:21:14 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> aha, you are right
11:21:31 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> I can make that temporary fix for that one, until you change passable
11:21:55 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> looks like that tag is only used in vaults, seems like a bug magnet to let it work everywhere
11:22:20 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> I guess it could be useful if anyone ever makes a two-way transporter vault?
11:22:27 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> @advil I guess I do want to keep those borders on those specific vaults, because after thinking about it, it's odd that we pose these vaults as a self-contained extreme challenge, yet then possibly require players to go through them to access otherwise disconnected portions of the level
11:23:02 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> @advil yeah that tag was only added recently as a patch from mumra that I merged, specifically for vaults layout, so that tranporters could work as vault rooms
11:23:02 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> well without the passable tag I'm 95% sure it won't ever be the only path to connect areas
11:23:14 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> without it, the vault layout code would just not accept transporter vaults in a room
11:24:00 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> I suppose if that's actually the case, then it'd be fine to revert that border change. But I did want to be certain we wouldn't require players to use them to explore a level
11:24:31 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> it's cool when they connect sections of level, probably mostly because it looks better integrated into the level
11:24:50 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> but not so cool if its the only connection to a "bubble" of stuff on the level
11:31:44 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> sort of a side thing, but those vault also don't play that well with the Vaults room layout code it that you do have to put border around them to prevent dead ends. That's at least what I found in testing.
11:32:31 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> that vaults layout is such a problem; I think we need to adapt all wizlab/desolation entries so they can likewise be vaults rooms and extend the vaults layout code with a new chance-based room type, like we did for ghosts
11:32:33 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> yeah, the pitfalls are still there in vaults
11:32:45 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> I will tweak the docs to highlight that
11:32:58 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.27-a0-1582-g2170ac5abd: fix: limit `passable` tag masking to Vaults 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 16+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2170ac5abdc9
11:33:03 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> thx, was going to push that conditional fix for trogs_sanctum, but can hold off if you are doing that
11:33:07 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> never mind 🙂
11:33:26 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> well, I guess I can remove those conditions now!
11:35:08 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> I guess if someone ever really wants this feature it might still be possible (or at least easy to add) manual square by square transparent masking
11:35:43 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> s/transparent/passable
11:39:04 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> also, didn't realize you could use markdown in commit message titles and have it render in most places
11:41:12 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1581-g9c98e07f0c (34)
11:48:52 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1582-g2170ac5abd (34)
12:05:13 <nojaa> I keep triggering "A slime creature suddenly disappears"! message. Is this bug or intended message?
12:06:11 -!- allbery_b is now known as geekosaur
12:11:06 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> needs context
12:12:19 <Pinkbeast> !lm nojaa -ttyrec
12:12:20 <Sequell> 4782. nojaa, XL16 MiBe, T:27740 (milestone): https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/ttyrec/nojaa/2021-07-17.14:54:27.ttyrec
12:12:29 <geekosaur> but lack of context may be the point
12:15:50 <Pinkbeast> PF: happens in the ttyrec around T:28489, and AFAICT 5x "The slime creature quivers.", then "A slime creature suddenly disappears!", as a complete non sequitur
12:18:41 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> neat
12:25:47 <nojaa> I am right next to decor vault, which has slime creatures inside in deep water.
12:27:33 <nojaa> I start waiting and slime creatures merge, while sometimes triggering message when merging or splitting inside that decoration vault.
12:29:16 <jilles> I think that happens if a visible slime creature merges into an invisible one
12:34:03 <nojaa> the all slime creatures are visible, do you mean this happens when slime creature in LoS merges to slime creature outside of line of sight? They are inside stone glass vault so I cannot make them invisible.
12:34:17 <jilles> yes
12:37:46 <nojaa> I see. Thank you.
12:55:55 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.27-a0-1583-g8f6b6f5ddb: fix: simplify macro action entry (Yermak) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8f6b6f5ddb45
13:03:31 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1584-g1b087cb4c1: Improve slime creature messaging (nojaa, jilles) 10(65 seconds ago, 1 file, 21+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1b087cb4c11f
13:03:54 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1583-g8f6b6f5ddb (34)
13:18:38 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1584-g1b087cb4c1 (34)
13:27:43 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1583-g8f6b6f5 (34)
15:27:46 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.27-a0-1585-g5988178df2: fix: quick macro keybinding add, take 3 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5988178df2e9
15:27:46 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.27-a0-1586-gd5c625afe7: fix: reorder currency symbols so that `$` shows in help 10(85 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d5c625afe77c
15:33:50 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1586-gd5c625afe7 (34)
16:20:31 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> @kate wdyt about removing undead fear immunity? (maybe in 0.28 i guess)
16:26:11 <Discord|> <09g​ammafunk> do undead player species get immunity to e.g. satyr fear spell?
16:30:17 <Discord|> <05k​ate> i think they do yeah
16:32:36 <Discord|> <05k​ate> and yeah, i wouldn't be opposed to it i think, i feel like unrestricting some stuff that's currently natural-only is probably good in general when the flavour can be justified
18:23:19 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.27-a0-1586-gd5c625afe7 (34)
18:43:47 <twelwe> can you guys help me rebind enter to esc? i can't figure out what esc is keybound to in console, and I used to use enter as escape. what is esc? \{?]
18:44:03 <twelwe> \{?}
18:45:13 <twelwe> and by the way why this change? its a huge, huge change to make enter bring up the macro menu
18:48:52 <geekosaur> I think they intended it to be control-m but didnb't consider how things are mapped on console
18:49:10 <geekosaur> (in particular there's no way to distinguish control-m and enter on console)
18:49:32 <twelwe> i figured it out from an old version, \{27}. i don't know how rare we are but im a hjkl console player and this messed me up
18:50:10 <twelwe> what was wrong with hitting ~ twice?
18:50:41 <twelwe> that macro menu is brand new interfacing, why add enter in the mix, or ctrol whatever?
18:51:06 <geekosaur> yermak asked for it
18:52:35 <geekosaur> and, again, nobody considered that control-m is the same as enter on console
18:52:54 <Yermak> Wtf? No, I didn't.
18:53:00 <twelwe> yes lol but what am i gonna do, direct ire at them? it was added by consensus i'd imagine. so back to the question, whats wrong with hitting ~ twice? instead of messing with a button that had previously undefined functionality but always worked as "Unknown command"
18:53:17 <twelwe> wow my point exactly
18:53:30 <Yermak> Don't worry, ctrl-m was changed later, apparently it's not on the server yet.
18:53:43 <Discord|> <05k​ate> as geekosaur explained, it was not intentionally mapped to return. it has also already been changed and moved back off return, please at least read the commit log before complaining about commits
18:54:22 <twelwe> this wasn't a complaint, but a request for help
18:54:45 <twelwe> i figured it out and was curious about the change
18:55:45 <geekosaur> sorry, I lost track of the various commits
21:12:33 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.27-a0-1587-g5a1362afc6: fix: Adjust three transporter vaults again (advil) 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 89+ 75-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5a1362afc6db
21:18:39 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1587-g5a1362afc6 (34)
21:41:11 <Henzell> styxcanada (L8 SpBr) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D (Sprint))
21:41:25 <Henzell> joshe (L21 GnCj) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (Depths:1)
21:41:31 <Henzell> CrazyLegsMagoo (L5 HuBr) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:2)
21:41:44 <Henzell> kilrfish (L9 TrHu) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:7)
21:41:49 <Henzell> joshe (L21 GnCj) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (Depths:1)
21:42:14 <Henzell> kilrfish (L9 TrHu) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:7)
21:42:15 <Henzell> atomicknyte (L9 DsGl) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:8)
21:42:41 <Henzell> ElderVIII (L12 DrCj) Crash caused by signal #6: Aborted (D:12)
22:00:53 <Henzell> Webtiles server stopped.
22:02:06 <Henzell> Webtiles server started.
22:02:56 <gammafunk> webtiles restart fixed that, as usual