00:53:21 <Discord|> <12e​bering> I was going to try to feedback that now that I did trunk updates
01:01:52 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> oh cool
01:01:55 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> that'd be appreciated
01:34:25 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1334-g2746e35aca (34)
01:54:42 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1334-g2746e35aca
02:17:38 <Cbrotell> Unstable branch on cbro.berotato.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1334-g2746e35aca (34)
02:53:16 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1334-g2746e35aca
03:31:49 <Kelbell> Fork (bcrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-4217-g7c68dc2372
04:06:44 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.03-574-g0d1da72009
05:04:43 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.27-a0-1335-g23b85b8: docs: changelog typo 10(20 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/23b85b8d87ea
06:03:31 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1335-g23b85b8d87 (34)
06:43:57 <Nivim> Does fire_items_start also work on spells/abilities now, or is there also an undocumented fire_spells_start/fire_abilities_start?
06:54:48 <Nivim> Ok, can confirm fire_items_start doesn't work for automatically quivered spells.
10:34:09 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1998 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1998
10:34:09 <Cheibriados> 03Goratrix02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1998 * 0.27-a0-1336-g65d844b: Add Archmagi as a randart property 10(10 minutes ago, 7 files, 28+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/65d844bb1714
10:34:09 <Cheibriados> 03Goratrix02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1998 * 0.27-a0-1337-g718ad88: Checkwhite 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/718ad88ce2f9
10:50:37 <Cheibriados> 03Goratrix02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1998 * 0.27-a0-1338-g65473c2: Checkwhite 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/65473c245c25
11:57:33 <Cheibriados> 03Aliscans02 {ebering} 07* 0.27-a0-1336-gc13eec7: Add a help option for the wizard mode create monster command. 10(10 weeks ago, 2 files, 303+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c13eec7c8e9c
12:04:58 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1336-gc13eec7c8e (34)
12:48:45 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1337-gbddd1c1: Allow Poisonous Vapours on empty space 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bddd1c10bac1
12:50:09 <Discord|> <12e​bering> @PleasingFungus I will indeed have time to get you reading rainbow feedback just might not be complete until tomorrow
12:50:26 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> sure, no worries
12:50:30 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i'll wait 🙂
12:50:41 <Discord|> <12e​bering> mostly just changing names for more aus lore
12:51:01 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> hm, did you have any thoughts about the Book Description Problem?
12:51:11 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i'm currently leaning toward writing descriptions for everything, even though they'll rarely be visible
12:51:17 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> just because descriptions are fun
12:51:26 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> but it seems like there should be a better answer
12:51:45 <Discord|> <12e​bering> book descs show up while shopping!
13:04:36 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1337-gbddd1c10ba (34)
13:06:11 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1337-gbddd1c1 (34)
13:23:42 <Discord|> <05k​ate> @PleasingFungus i prevented casting vapours on empty space not because of clouds specifically but because i think it just makes the interface much worse to allow it, either by making you waste turns or by requiring a prompt like now (and it's not a case like fireball where targeting empty space is commonly desirable)
13:24:02 <Discord|> <05k​ate> you could certainly argue that the underlying interface issue is just "invisible monsters existing", though
13:26:26 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> can't it just be cast on empty space by force targeting? that's the standard interface for that for most spells
13:28:06 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> ok, i was wondering if it was something like that, but i couldn't find the messages and other people in the chat thought it was just about clouds
13:28:19 <Discord|> <05k​ate> that was the original behaviour but i still think that's not great interface for directly smite-targeted spells
13:28:25 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i do think it's very weird to make pvap a special case when almost every other spell allows targeting empty space
13:28:35 <Discord|> <05k​ate> sure, i would prefer to make it consistent in the other direction personally!
13:28:36 <Discord|> <06a​dvil> great or not like every other spell does it, so it's worse to not do it
13:29:01 <Discord|> <05k​ate> or ideally rethink invisibility but that's a bigger project
13:29:09 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i think you want to rethink invisiblity for this
13:29:38 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> i agree the ui here isn't great and i respect what you're trying to do but i think singling pvap out as a special case is just going to cause more confusion and frustration for players
13:29:43 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> and while we do hate players, we don't hate them that way
13:30:34 <Discord|> <05k​ate> i think for spells specifically like pvap where you're precisely targeting a specific monster, saying "you have to be able to see it" would be a fine direction to go in with current invisibility
13:36:35 <Discord|> <05k​ate> anyway, i wouldn't push to revert it again or anything particularly, but that behaviour and UI does make sense to me for that kind of smite-targeted spell. but yeah, mostly it's just that invisibility doesn't work out so well when a large portion of the time you'll still reliably know exactly where the invisible monster is
13:44:17 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1338-g1e49fe1: Remove superfluous parens 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1e49fe14ad09
13:44:17 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1339-g81ec99b: Break monster AI (greenscarf) 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 118+ 134-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/81ec99bee20e
13:44:17 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1340-g561ffd6: Allow monsters to wand each other 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/561ffd6492b4
13:44:40 <advil> re reverting it to the norm, it just should haven't the yesno in bddd1c10bac1
13:44:40 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> oh, is the yesno redundant?
13:44:40 <advil> you still have to use Z to cast it
13:44:40 <advil> yeah
13:44:53 <advil> I think the test call still needs the check tho
13:45:49 <advil> the way it usually works is the range check does visibility and the spell is marked as disabled if there's nothing visible, so z and autofire don't work, but you can still use Z to cast (or f if it's quivered)
13:46:50 <advil> that's how airstrike currently works, imo the two should behave the same
13:46:54 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> fair enough
13:47:51 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1341-gdcd0597: Remove a redundant yesno (advil) 10(18 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dcd059793931
13:49:22 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1340-g561ffd6492 (34)
14:05:03 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1341-gdcd0597939 (34)
14:48:48 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.27-a0-1342-ga99462a: Only explode Damnation on hit 10(47 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a99462a43c9e
15:04:51 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1342-ga99462a43c (34)
16:27:51 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/1999 (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1999
16:27:51 <Cheibriados> 03Shapermc02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1999 * 0.27-a0-884-g0c24ae8: Squashed commit of the following: 10(31 minutes ago, 525 files, 17045+ 10044-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0c24ae8ce28b
16:27:51 <Cheibriados> 03Shapermc02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1999 * 0.27-a0-885-g8091564: Ecumenical Temple Addition Ruins 2 10(13 minutes ago, 4 files, 177+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8091564d9654
18:23:23 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.27-a0-1342-ga99462a43c (34)
20:51:07 -!- lightbulbjim_ is now known as lightbulbjim
21:02:59 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07* 0.27-a0-1343-g643e45d: Don't unbribe monsters that haven't been bribed yet 10(50 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/643e45de12d3
21:02:59 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07* 0.27-a0-1344-g9fd5ee6: Add salamander tyrants to snake themed zig floors 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9fd5ee6ec59a
21:02:59 <Cheibriados> 03hellmonk02 07* 0.27-a0-1345-gb432ad7: Buff Wucad-Mu 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b432ad73d208
21:08:51 <Discord|> <05k​ate> oh that reminds me that i was also wondering if rockslimes and quicksilver oozes should be in the slime zig scaling list
21:09:05 <Discord|> <05k​ate> those zig weight scaling functions are some underrated nightmare crawlcode imo
21:16:19 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> yeah they're pretty great
21:18:14 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> seems like right now the intent with high level slime floors is just to place a million acid blobs
21:19:03 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> rockslimes would probably be a good addition, not sure how likely a quicksilver ooze actually getting next to an engulfing a megazig character is even if you mass them
21:19:50 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.27-a0-1345-gb432ad73d2 (34)
21:20:23 <Discord|> <05k​ate> yeah, it's mainly just acid blobs and floating eyes to worry about i guess, but since azure jellies do get a bit of a weight boost it feels like the new slimes could do too, or they could take some of the azure jelly weight
21:20:34 <Discord|> <09h​ellmonk> sounds reasonable
22:26:39 <wensley> I can probably guess why it was removed, but regardless it was pretty funny that you could instakill cerebov by turning him into an ice cube
22:44:21 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> it was
22:44:35 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> it's still funny that you can instakill him by confusing him next to lava
22:45:21 <wensley> there's your idea for the replacement spell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_hot
22:45:22 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> why would cerebov die in lava, i thought he was giant and fire resistant
22:45:33 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> @??cerebov
22:45:33 <Discord|> <04C​erebot>  Cerebov (&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 549-786 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | demonic, weapons, items, doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: will(invuln), fire+++, damnation, poison, miasma, neg+++, torm | Vul: holy | XP: 22542 | Sp: iron shot (3d36) [!sil], fire storm (8d16 / 8d17) [!sil], fire summon [!sil], haste [!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human.
22:45:46 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> doesn't really matter
22:45:52 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> if you're not a salamander and you don't fly
22:45:57 <Discord|> <10P​leasingFungus> lava is game over
22:46:08 <Discord|> <08n​icolae> give cerebov lava powers
23:48:21 <Discord|> <08w​ormsofcan> cerebov the demonic salamander