00:36:00 as i was saying earlier over in discord, i do wonder if there's some argument that, if the clock can't stop 'scumming' (and it can't), are we obligated to make the ui for 'scumming' better (de-fuzzed clock displayed inobtrusively in ^o or % or something). by 'scumming' i here mean 'something boring that uses up a few thousand extra turns per floor for a very marginal increase in winrate' 00:36:11 i don't know what the answer to this question is 00:37:04 maybe we don't care, for the same reason we don't care very much about breadswinging 00:37:45 [it's weird marginal nonsense and we should focus our time and effort on things actual players will encounter] 01:35:20 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.26-a0-412-ga3d1f51b80 (34) 03:23:18 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.26-a0-412-ga3d1f51b (34) 03:31:47 Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-2868-g740a32cf1f 09:51:38 03Peter Gerlagh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1369 * 0.26-a0-413-gf314926: Allow any floor to be annotated with ! 10(3 months ago, 7 files, 194+ 53-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f3149269e227 09:51:38 03Peter Gerlagh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1369 * 0.26-a0-414-gd76b466: Fix whitespace after merge conflict 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d76b4668428a 09:51:38 03Peter Gerlagh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1369 * 0.26-a0-415-g240e9ee: Unbrace. 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/240e9eeab9f4 09:51:38 03Peter Gerlagh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1369 * 0.26-a0-416-gc72c1ee: simplify code, and add space to prompt 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c72c1ee0ed3c 09:51:38 03Peter Gerlagh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1369 * 0.26-a0-417-gb8ce6d3: Implement reviewer comments 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 8+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b8ce6d3bc74d 09:51:38 03Peter Gerlagh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1369 * 0.26-a0-418-gc57cad5: Added exception handling for certain keypresses in certain prompts 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 15+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c57cad5812dc 09:51:38 03Peter Gerlagh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1369 * 0.26-a0-419-g6e48a33: change prompt_for_quantity into prompt_for_int, and remove bugfix 10(2 months ago, 2 files, 1+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e48a33a0f0a 09:51:38 03Peter Gerlagh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1369 * 0.26-a0-420-g2236697: Show some annotate information only after second !. 10(26 minutes ago, 2 files, 17+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/223669780e16 09:51:38 03Peter Gerlagh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1369 * 0.26-a0-421-g583c47c: add some files (I don't know where they come from) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/583c47c4f49a 09:57:10 03Peter Gerlagh02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1369 * 0.26-a0-422-g75100ce: Moved a comment. Added to files. 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 5+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/75100cec6d0f 09:57:26 -!- behalebabo_ is now known as behalebabo 12:16:12 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-413-gd94cb66: Split const and non-const parts of describe_item 10(22 minutes ago, 8 files, 51+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d94cb669bebf 12:16:12 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-414-ge9dc0e8: Clean up some old book reading code 10(12 minutes ago, 3 files, 0+ 41-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e9dc0e8d5b13 12:16:12 03ebering02 07* 0.26-a0-415-g2a96157: Describe item stacks with xv 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 38+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2a9615731a35 12:17:38 !lg * vlong>=0.26-a0-388-gf3277c4 urune=3 !ck max=turns -log 12:17:40 70. richr, XL27 KoIE, T:146454: https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/richr/morgue-richr-20200723-214137.txt 12:17:47 there are finally a few games that are relevant to the clock I think 12:18:41 average time is well within what we'd expect but slow levels go up to 7k aut, which would be a bit tight in places like zot 12:18:49 !lg * vlong>=0.26-a0-388-gf3277c4 urune=3 !ck max=turns -log -2 12:18:50 69/70. LeiaKenobi, XL27 DEIE, T:137844: https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/LeiaKenobi/morgue-LeiaKenobi-20200721-203115.txt 12:18:50 !lg * vlong>=0.26-a0-388-gf3277c4 urune=3 !ck max=turns -log -3 12:18:51 68/70. bgg1996, XL27 OgAE, T:131626: https://crawl.kelbi.org/crawl/morgue/bgg1996/morgue-bgg1996-20200723-072459.txt 12:19:19 I *think* that all of these games might be just on the side of ok, but it's hard to tell directly 12:19:59 maybe we should merge the clock but instead of killing you it just shows a picture of one of those toy guns with the flag 12:20:14 "if this had been a real feature you would be dead now" 12:20:53 lol 12:20:53 I'd want to watch a replay to be sure but imo it looks like these games are tarrying in some way 12:20:58 the 7k turns on spider 1 12:21:06 yeah, I'm not sure what they're doing 12:21:24 someone (who was a strong player, can't remember exactly who) did speculate that spider in particular might involve a lot of resting 12:22:09 at least I think that came up in a discord discussion 12:23:04 they do have 12099 auts resting in spider all told 12:24:00 ah also that's a mostly "pure caster" so some of the resting will be for mana regen 12:25:21 also, having trouble reconciling that aut value with the turns in the milestone list 12:26:06 unless maybe they were doing their resting on spider 1 while exploring spider 2, which wouldn't show 12:29:47 nobo (L18 FoFi) ERROR: range check error (20 / 20) (D (Sprint)) 12:38:50 Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.26-a0-415-g2a9615731a (34) 13:19:38 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.26-a0-415-g2a96157 (34) 13:41:17 -!- cebolla is now known as spicycat 13:55:54 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-352-g0752f75: Adjust SPARM_LUNGING tracer logic. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 34+ 38-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0752f75e869e 14:01:26 03Implojin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1409 * 0.26-a0-353-g77ad960: Revert "Rename SPARM_LUNGING to carnage." 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77ad9603ea20 14:07:11 hi hi crawldev 14:07:11 Implojin: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:07:11 !messages 14:07:11 (1/1) ebering said (1w 1d 4h 11m 40s ago): looks like you did it correctly 14:08:12 ebering: dunno if you have any more minor changes to suggest for that latest set of commits on pr 1409 but i think i've more or less covered that review stuff 14:08:35 if anyone in here has a name they'd like to use for lunging ego in place of lunging 14:08:46 drop a comment on that pr or something please, because i really don't care 14:10:44 Hi 14:10:57 I'm about to go rescue things from my office, I'll take a look when I get back 14:11:00 ok 14:25:44 ok it started raining as I went to my bike so I left a comment on the PR 14:26:51 ok, thanks 14:27:19 I put fleche on the brainstorm list 14:27:40 it's a fencing move that goes further than a lunge, since if you use these with wu you can take the free move then a second move and execute a wu lunge 14:28:15 i think my personal vote goes to "steal the name from WJC so that players have more WJC things to complain about" but i really didn't want to go there 14:28:24 hahahaha 14:28:38 call the wu ability fleche and these lunging 14:34:01 one thing that i thought might be kind of neat would be adding these to a background start 14:34:15 like, at running rarity, they often don't show up in-game until very late 14:37:55 actually, i guess technically it's worse than running rarity while they're still coexisting as egos on the same slot 18:14:10 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 18:23:32 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.26-a0-415-g2a9615731a (34) 20:05:15 obviously add a unique that usually wears these (or give em to some existing unique) 20:27:14 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:04:11 New branch created: waste-of-time-refactor (4 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/waste-of-time-refactor 23:04:11 03advil02 07[waste-of-time-refactor] * 0.26-a0-413-g4d9e503: Initial refactor of _ms_waste_of_time 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 363+ 267-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d9e50340c9d 23:04:11 03advil02 07[waste-of-time-refactor] * 0.26-a0-414-g3c7197b: Add a catch2 test to cross-check removed spells 10(10 hours ago, 8 files, 170+ 104-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3c7197b90339 23:04:11 03advil02 07[waste-of-time-refactor] * 0.26-a0-415-g50f93f9: Add a lua test that exercises monster spells 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 108+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/50f93f9c3cbf 23:04:11 03advil02 07[waste-of-time-refactor] * 0.26-a0-416-g68e16ea: Improve validation of spflag::monster 10(23 minutes ago, 7 files, 115+ 68-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/68e16ea87d18 23:16:01 03advil02 07[waste-of-time-refactor] * 0.26-a0-415-g06ed72e: Add a lua test that exercises monster spells 10(2 hours ago, 4 files, 128+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/06ed72e3ea49 23:16:01 03advil02 07[waste-of-time-refactor] * 0.26-a0-416-g9f01f91: Improve validation of spflag::monster 10(35 minutes ago, 7 files, 115+ 68-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9f01f91bb2f3 23:17:52 03advil02 07[waste-of-time-refactor] * 0.26-a0-417-gddddbe7: lint 10(28 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ddddbe7a725e 23:19:03 04Build failed for 08waste-of-time-refactor @ 68e16ea8 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/181941196 23:26:02 heh maybe that sort of explains what was up with summon swarm 23:26:28 The build has errored. (waste-of-time-refactor - 68e16ea #14055 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/711653932 23:31:58 04Build failed for 08waste-of-time-refactor @ 9f01f91b 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/181952653 23:42:23 04Build failed for 08waste-of-time-refactor @ ddddbe7a 06https://github.com/crawl/crawl/actions/runs/181954119