01:21:20 <Lantell> Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-2824-g6a88ae04c9
02:36:04 <alexjurkiewicz> a reddit admin can unpin this https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/e78pfk/dungeon_crawl_secret_santa_2019_signup_thread/
02:36:38 <alexjurkiewicz> majority of signups in the first couple of days. No need to have such a long signup time next time around
02:48:49 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-443-g80245de
03:31:26 <Kelbell> Fork (bcadrencrawl) on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.22.1-1833-gd8c493a9c8
08:31:57 <Napkin> Hmm, the Console version no longer works when started from a Terminal in macOS Catalina? "FSPathMakeRef(/Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app) failed with error -43."
08:33:54 <Napkin> ah, I think that has to do with the fact, that Terminal.app is now located in /System/Applications/Utilities/
09:23:07 <Lantell> Stable (0.22) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.22.1-59-ge965b3aba3
09:23:19 <advil> not sure catalina has seen a lot of testing
09:28:45 <advil> also curious how the tiles version fares with catalina's security stuff
09:56:56 <bgiannan> advil, just tested it, works fine just ask for permissions to receive "keystrokes"
09:57:07 <advil> haha ok
09:57:08 <bgiannan> asked*
09:57:11 <advil> it does need those
09:57:13 <advil> thanks
09:57:43 <advil> that seems ... a bit overkill in terms of permission granularity?
09:58:08 <bgiannan> don't think it's actually needed to run the game
09:58:51 <bgiannan> here's the actual wording: https://0x0.st/z01H.png
10:01:07 <advil> huh, odd
10:02:36 <advil> it's apparently a security feature to make keyloggers more apparent, but it sounds like it's not always very easy to figure out why a particular app is tripping that requirement
10:06:04 <advil> we certainly don't need the permission in principle if I'm understanding it correctly
10:07:04 <advil> it *may* be something sdl is doing, it seems like some apps (especially games) have been tapping into mouse events/hotkeys in a way that goes around sandboxing
11:22:18 <Lantell> Stable (0.23) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23.1-91-gf373564dc4
13:39:52 <advil> is there a gameplay reason why species flying takes 3mp to activate?
13:43:37 <advil> from old commit messages it seems like it *might* have been in order to balance tengu non-permaflight (which doesn't exist any more)
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15:27:58 <Cheibriados> Foxfire occasionally hits allies 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12153 by Siegurt
15:49:23 <Cheibriados> Foxfire targets plants over enemies 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12154 by Siegurt
16:00:25 <advil> I realize I'm just asking obscure question after obscure question today, but why can't giant monsters wear robes?
16:00:25 <advil> where animal skins are fine
17:24:34 <alexjurkiewicz> flavour, right
17:24:51 <alexjurkiewicz> since the items are mechanically identical
17:58:09 <advil> yeah, I guess it means that you don't get stone giants in robes or whatever
17:58:27 <advil> just *completely hypothetically* if you're playing as cerebov it is kind of unexpected
18:01:31 <alexjurkiewicz> :D :D :D
18:02:13 <alexjurkiewicz> continuing that hypothetical reasoning, I would say if you were playing cerebov in bloatcrawl2, you might be interested to know the handedness and mechanics of giant player species has been tweaked
18:02:36 <advil> ah I should hypothetically look at that
18:02:58 <advil> though I have to warn you I'm not sure if this is going to be mergeable with anything, let alone bloatcrawl2
18:03:01 <alexjurkiewicz> f34aa55042b51a825759da3b63ca53c8456191d8 details the changes
18:04:27 <advil> well, anything can be merged...but there's a lot going on
18:04:34 <advil> we'll see
18:04:46 <alexjurkiewicz> did you start from vanilla or bloatcrawl2 code?
18:04:55 <advil> vanilla, for better or worse
18:05:22 <alexjurkiewicz> should be fine. we merge upstream in regularly
18:45:33 <alexjurkiewicz> how hard is it to modify a save file to exit wizmode? asking for a secret santa
18:45:50 <alexjurkiewicz> eg a scenario has been made in wizmode, but the present should be a save file in normal mode
19:04:25 <gammafunk> alexjurkiewicz: that's what the save file editor can do
19:05:00 <gammafunk> you dump parts the save to individual files after modifying it and read the part you want into a copy of the original
19:06:35 <alexjurkiewicz> so looks like I have to dump the chr segment, edit with a hex editor and put it back in
19:06:57 <gammafunk> no
19:07:43 <gammafunk> well, I guess it depends
19:07:51 <gammafunk> did your scenario modify the chr segment, ignoring wiz mode?
19:08:13 <alexjurkiewicz> the scenario has a custom d:1 basically
19:08:19 <gammafunk> that's a level modification
19:08:24 <gammafunk> so what you modified isn't in chr
19:08:31 <gammafunk> hence you don't overwrite that in your copy
19:08:50 <gammafunk> you only incorporate the segment you modified
19:08:54 <alexjurkiewicz> oh. So you are suggesting dump d:1 from the wizard save, and load it into a non-wizard save
19:09:16 <gammafunk> yes, dump level segment containing modified d:1
19:09:29 <gammafunk> incorporate this into a copy of the save that's unchanged
19:09:40 <gammafunk> so then only that level segment will be modified in your final save
19:10:40 <gammafunk> good to test your modified save to make sure it incorporated
19:13:13 <alexjurkiewicz> hm, actually the scenario changes other things, at least the player's inventory/equipment
19:13:22 <alexjurkiewicz> i'd have to ask the santa what else is modified
19:15:26 <gammafunk> are the items in chr or in you?
19:16:25 <gammafunk> a workaround could be to drop unwanted items in the original, modify d:1 to place desired items under player
19:16:58 <gammafunk> droping items can be done outside of wizard mode, so you can start modification with those items dropped from inventory to ground
19:17:24 <gammafunk> enter wizmode from there to put items on ground and make other d:1 modifications, then incorporate d:1 chunk
19:17:31 <gammafunk> but maybe the equipment is actually stored in you
19:17:42 <gammafunk> I think chr is all high level stuff (like wizmode or not)
19:17:45 <gammafunk> but I'm not sure
19:18:24 <gammafunk> if the inventory is just stored in you then you have no problem, just make wizmode modifications and incorporate both d:1 chunk and you chunk
19:18:44 <alexjurkiewicz> clever
19:19:29 <gammafunk> now that I think about it
19:19:38 <gammafunk> can't you just use that "exit wizard mode" feature advil added?
19:20:15 <gammafunk> not sure if this is for online or not, but that would probably be sufficient
19:20:37 <advil> that doesn't affect the save
19:21:29 <advil> I think if I was doing this in a hurry, I would change that feature so it does affect the save in the source tree and use that
19:21:46 <advil> you may also need to suppress the milestones
19:22:12 <advil> change it in the source tree and rebuild that is
19:23:19 <advil> !source wizard_suppress
19:23:20 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/wiz-you.cc#L101
19:23:45 <advil> it should be pretty simple (*untested*), just comment out you.suppress_wizard = true;
19:24:27 <advil> !source wizard.cc:296
19:24:27 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/wizard.cc#L296
19:24:37 <advil> and comment out that line
19:34:28 <gammafunk> advil: I wonder if it would be useful to make that an actual feature of wiz mode in e.g. full debug builds
19:34:41 <gammafunk> that you could simply turn off wizard mode in a save
19:35:14 <advil> maybe, when I originally implemented it I guess I was worried about making it too easy to fake morgues / screenshots
19:35:21 <advil> not sure if that's a real worry
19:35:47 <advil> it'd definitely be useful for us, yeah
19:36:35 <alexjurkiewicz> nice
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