01:21:18 <Lantell> Experimental (bcrawl) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-2449-g696c4cd9b6
01:37:20 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-640-ge7cd8ce (34)
02:05:06 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf
02:08:55 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-640-ge7cd8ce
02:57:54 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.24-a0-443-g80245de
03:56:19 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
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06:03:36 <zkyp> hi, looking for a solution to host XTAHUA's morgue/rc files. I don't have enough space on my own boxes. ebering pointed me to this channel.
07:46:20 <Pinkbeast> zkyp: How much are we talking here?
07:51:28 <Cheibriados> 03John Doe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1155 * 0.24-a0-640-ge1bcf99: Fix crawl exiting after arena fight spec typo (gh #891) 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e1bcf999ebbd
07:54:52 <zkyp> Pinkbeast: we're talking 5gb when tar'd
09:25:02 <Lantell> Stable (0.22) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.22.1-59-ge965b3aba3
09:35:49 <aidanh> is it actually possible to have macros mapped to an input sequence of more than one character?
09:38:27 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: see zkyp's request
09:40:06 <aidanh> I can't manage to get one to fire, even with xdotool, but macro.cc and the macro file does support key sequences for the trigger
09:43:15 <aidanh> to clarify, I mean something like a macro 'ab' -> 'za.'
09:51:18 <advil> pretty sure I fixed arena crashing on typos in trunk
09:51:55 <advil> %git 33f6f7b652e4
09:51:55 <Cheibriados> 07advil02 * 0.24-a0-488-g33f6f7b: Arena error improvements 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 183+ 91-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/33f6f7b652e4
09:55:58 <aidanh> hm, yup, certainly seems fixed on my copy
10:36:39 <advil> not sure I get the point of the show_more false on debug builds commit :-)
10:36:44 <advil> already told alex that
10:36:55 <advil> I guess the discussion was here and not on the PR
10:37:22 <geekosaur> just that you end up hitting space or whatever a lot
10:37:31 <advil> just hit esc
10:37:33 <advil> or change your rc
10:37:58 <advil> which is what I will now have to do
10:37:58 <advil> not a huge fan of build-specific settings, though I do realize I have commited some in the past
10:37:58 <geekosaur> tbh I'd rather the debug spew went to a file (think ttyrec)
10:38:40 <advil> they tend to lead to more cases where a bug won't show up in a debug build imo
10:38:42 <geekosaur> not quite the same as a ttyrec but I think curses could be abused to pull this off
10:39:39 <advil> levelgen spam is the biggest offender and it's already stored separately on debug builds, so imo the solution there is to just disable that printing directly
10:39:49 <geekosaur> well, not literally abused, we'd be using the newterm stuff in a way fairly similar to how we do ttyecs now
10:39:53 <advil> second biggest offender is probably beam traces for things like fireball
10:40:21 <advil> which could easily just be conditionalized so someone actually debugging beams could turn it on themselves
10:42:02 <advil> in fact given the obscuring bug issues, I would like to at some point merge those two changes and revert...
10:42:02 <aidanh> ah, I must have missed that discussion :/
10:42:07 <advil> it was kind of brief
10:43:23 <advil> I should have left a note at the PR
10:43:52 <advil> also iirc alexjurkiewicz didn't actually know about esc when he made the PR?
10:43:56 <advil> maybe that was someone else
10:45:36 <aidanh> go for it; I don't have any strong feelings either way
10:45:46 <aidanh> heh, I did not know about esc either
10:46:07 * geekosaur didn't either, but tries to avoid situations that would need it
11:24:04 <Lantell> Stable (0.23) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23.1-89-g277498a001
11:24:22 <Cheibriados> New branch created: macro-refactor (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/macro-refactor
11:24:23 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[macro-refactor] * 0.24-a0-640-g4c76506: Remove support for multi-key macro binds 10(37 minutes ago, 1 file, 27+ 80-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c765068885f
12:53:13 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
13:05:49 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.24-a0-640-ge7cd8ce (34)
13:19:23 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[macro-refactor] * 0.24-a0-640-g4fe3bad: Remove support for multi-key macro binds 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 28+ 87-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4fe3bad6a966
13:19:23 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[macro-refactor] * 0.24-a0-641-g26f3c6b: Simplify macro code 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/26f3c6b5cd3a
13:19:23 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[macro-refactor] * 0.24-a0-642-ge927852: Refactor _getch_mul() -> _getch_single() 10(55 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e92785227a60
13:19:23 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07[macro-refactor] * 0.24-a0-643-g21a2dc9: Simplify macro_buf_add_with_keymap 10(15 minutes ago, 3 files, 10+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/21a2dc93381e
14:15:44 <travis-ci> The build was fixed. (macro-refactor - 21a2dc9 #11909 : Aidan Holm): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/588562043
14:56:01 <Cheibriados> 03John Stilley02 {GitHub} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/1153 * 0.24-a0-591-g56b7536: whoops. Mixed two branches. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/56b7536eb789
16:00:38 <amalloy> https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/d8byw5/uhhh_just_bought_from_a_mimic_serpents_lash/ is a good bug
16:08:08 <gammafunk> holy crap what a bug
16:12:13 <amalloy> it is easy to repro, at least
16:14:24 <amalloy> i wonder what the right fix is. we can't really let mimics get to respond to world_reacts during Lash, because the world isn't supposed to react. make shop mimics get an empty inventory?
16:14:41 <amalloy> then you could still "shop" at them but they'd be empty, and you'd have a good laugh when it disappears
16:22:37 <advil> that sounds right to me
16:22:59 <advil> surprised shop mimics are real enough to have an inventory
16:23:06 <advil> makes me wonder about branch entry mimics
16:23:40 <gammafunk> oh yeah
16:23:51 <gammafunk> portals still have mimics, right?
16:23:53 <gammafunk> so...
16:23:55 <advil> yeah
16:23:55 <geekosaur> yes
16:27:51 <Yermak> Are you able to pick up mimic item, too?
16:27:53 <advil> heh the bug works with rune mimics too
16:27:55 <advil> yes
16:28:10 <Yermak> speedrun hack
16:28:11 <advil> well, I don't think there are any mimic items left except runes?
16:28:24 <Yermak> there are special vault
16:28:26 <Yermak> s
16:28:35 <Yermak> or maybe there is only one?
16:28:44 <advil> do you know which one?
16:28:56 <Yermak> I know there is guardian serpent in front of it
16:29:25 <advil> lemuel_lich_library looks like one
16:29:25 <Yermak> it's smth like 5x7 room
16:30:22 <Henzell> twillightdoom (L16 MiFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster ice statue failed to pathfind to (40,43) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef))
16:30:50 <Henzell> twillightdoom (L16 MiFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster oklob sapling failed to pathfind to (40,43) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef))
16:31:01 <advil> yes, you can pick up item mimics, and then they disappear if you drop them
16:33:03 <Yermak> haha
16:33:15 <Yermak> Imo, after all the changes mimics lost their flavour.
16:33:27 <advil> not immediately sure how to place a portal mimic in wizmode
16:33:45 <amalloy> advil: edit a .des file and then place the vault with &L
16:33:48 <amalloy> i think?
16:34:15 <amalloy> or is it legal for a vault to place a portal mimic?
16:34:31 <advil> zig entries have no_mimic at least
16:35:54 <advil> I changed one of this to `mimic` and it didn't error, but also doesn't seem to have worked
16:35:58 <advil> *those
16:36:01 <geekosaur> I think that's because you only get one zig and there's no way to do that without unmasking the mimic in some cases? (e.g. you spot a ig entrance but dont go there, then explore the rest and encounter a second one, you know one must be a mimic. and may be hard to have it place that second one)
16:36:06 <gammafunk> yeah advil, I was just testing
16:36:08 <geekosaur> *zig entrance
16:36:22 <amalloy> advil: i placed a trove portal that way and it seems to have worked
16:36:42 <gammafunk> you can place the portal mimic but I can't actually enter it
16:37:07 <gammafunk> because it does a delay
16:37:12 <gammafunk> hrm, but if you blinked..
16:38:13 <gammafunk> ah yeah that's not under lash
16:38:38 <advil> when I do that with trove it just places a regular portal?
16:38:43 <amalloy> even if you could, the delay gives it a chance to react i think
16:38:44 <advil> maybe I'm missing what the syntax would be
16:39:02 <gammafunk> it's e.g. KFEAT: a = enter_trove mimic
16:39:11 <gammafunk> then you place an a glyph on the map, in this example
16:39:12 <advil> I tried `e.kfeat("O = enter_trove mimic")`
16:39:21 <gammafunk> it works with gauntlet portal, at least
16:39:31 <amalloy> that's exactly what i did, advil: e.kfeat("O = enter_trove mimic") is pasted from my .des file
16:39:35 <amalloy> did you restart the game?
16:39:42 <advil> yes, and it reread trove.des
16:40:22 <gammafunk> I assume you're sure you're placing the map you've modified; I made a new map
16:40:53 <advil> yes, that change should modify all trove maps
16:41:03 <advil> but I did the same thing with zig with the same results
16:41:12 <gammafunk> how are you placing the map?
16:41:15 <advil> portal mimic should disappear when you step on it, right?
16:41:18 <advil> with &L*
16:41:21 <gammafunk> when you step adjacent
16:41:29 <amalloy> i'd use &L or &P
16:41:39 <amalloy> i guess it probably does'nt matter
16:41:54 <gammafunk> what does the * thing do for &L?
16:42:13 <gammafunk> reload all maps loaded by the level?
16:42:14 <amalloy> but actually it does matter
16:42:19 <amalloy> gammafunk: place it at your current location
16:42:23 <amalloy> advil: try &P
16:42:30 <gammafunk> yes, I also used &P
16:42:51 <amalloy> i don't know why &L doesn't work, but &P does
16:42:54 <gammafunk> I don't think it's a minivault, so it should be fine
16:43:35 <advil> oh, weird, yeah &P does work
16:43:41 <amalloy> btw you can repro more easily with &E instead of needing to use Lash
16:47:25 <advil> ok, yeah it seems that portals don't work at least
16:47:37 <advil> though it might just be about how long serpent's lash lasts
16:48:33 <gammafunk> yeah, seems not
16:48:57 <advil> nope, still prevents you under &E
16:48:57 <gammafunk> I even tested by dispersal-trap movement-blinking onto the portal on turn 1 of lash
16:49:20 <gammafunk> I didn't want to see with &E, which isn't a real-world test, but with something you might actually be able to do in-game
16:49:34 <gammafunk> but even with a turn of serpent's lash left, the portal poofed as I entered
17:22:43 <Yermak> Would passwall onto mimic work?
17:24:20 <alexjurkiewicz> zkyp: i can host xtahua's files on s3 for you. Can you PM me with details on how I can access the files and I will take care of the rest
17:26:03 <amalloy> Yermak: yes, that works too
17:27:43 <zkyp> alexjurkiewicz: pm
17:30:08 <Pinkbeast> Oh, that's a relief
17:42:17 <Cheibriados> Felid oversight 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=12067 by SenoraRaton
17:43:25 <Pinkbeast> ^ that was quite funny the first time
18:23:02 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.24-a0-640-ge7cd8ce796 (34)
18:59:17 <advil> Yermak why yes, yes that does work
18:59:21 <advil> haha
18:59:40 <advil> oh I guess amalloy already replied
19:08:01 <advil> my best idea is to remove non-rune item mimics, and special case runes + shops + altars (like stairs are already special-cased)
19:11:13 <amalloy> are stairs special cased for mimics? i thought it was more like, since taking stairs uses a delay, it happens to give the mimic a chance to reveal itsel
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21:15:57 <advil> oh, yeah maybe stairs do take time even for wjc
21:16:54 <Pinkbeast> I appreciate this may be a sticky point but any idea how near 0.24 is?
21:24:42 <alexjurkiewicz> people were talking about a release next month, so I guess soon after that
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21:40:26 <Pinkbeast> Thanks.
21:47:46 <alexjurkiewicz> FYIs (everyone), I'm only planning to preserve the logfiles/milestones from CXC. If anyone wants the morgues/rc-files/saves, you should chat to zkyp
21:48:23 <Pinkbeast> Really no morgues?
21:51:01 <Pinkbeast> I ask because I'm told the lot is 5G of tarfile
21:55:00 <alexjurkiewicz> it's about 30gb uncompressed
22:00:45 <Pinkbeast> I'll drop zkyp a line.
22:09:47 <gammafunk> I take it we don't have any ttyrecs at all then
22:11:38 <Pinkbeast> I'll take the morgues and rcfiles if you lot don't but not the ttyrecs
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