00:07:40 <ebering> .echo $(/ (!lm * newtraps shaft br=D) (!lm * newstraps shaft br=D x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}"))
00:07:46 <Sequell> Subcommand $(!lm * newstraps shaft br=D x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}") failed: No keyword 'newstraps' in $(/ $(!lm * newtraps shaft b...
00:07:58 <ebering> .echo $(/ (!lm * newtraps shaft br=D) (!lm * newtraps shaft br=D x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}"))
00:08:02 <Sequell> 1.1600774959133013
00:08:02 <ebering> newstraps.. heh
00:08:42 <ebering> .echo $(/ (!lm * 0.22 shaft br=D) (!lm * 0.22 shaft br=D x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}"))
00:09:54 <gammafunk> newttraps
00:09:58 <gammafunk> gotta catch em all
00:10:12 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed .echo $(/ (!lm * 0.22 shaft br=D) (!lm * 0.22 shaft br=D x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}"))
00:11:08 <ebering> .echo $(/ (!lm * vlong>=0.23-a0 vlong<0.23-a0-495 shaft br=D) (!lm * vlong>=0.23-a0 vlong<0.23-a0-495 shaft br=D x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}"))
00:12:12 <Sequell> 1.0964365256124722
00:12:45 <gammafunk> !gitgrep Tomb:3
00:12:47 <Sequell> %git HEAD^{/}
00:12:47 <Cheibriados> 07ebering02 * 0.23-a0-808-gd21de94: Correct yaml aptitudes and stat gains 10(2 hours ago, 16 files, 22+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d21de941a6dd
00:12:51 <gammafunk> doh
00:12:53 <gammafunk> how did...
00:12:58 <gammafunk> oh
00:13:06 <gammafunk> !gitgrep "Tomb:3"
00:13:06 <Sequell> %git HEAD^{/}
00:13:06 <Cheibriados> 07ebering02 * 0.23-a0-808-gd21de94: Correct yaml aptitudes and stat gains 10(2 hours ago, 16 files, 22+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d21de941a6dd
00:13:09 <gammafunk> hmmm
00:13:11 <gammafunk> !cmd gitgrep
00:13:12 <Sequell> Command: !gitgrep => .echo $(ignore $1)$(let (n $1 s $*) (concat "%git HEAD^{/" $s "}" (repeat (concat "^^{/" $s "}") (- (int $n) 1))))
00:13:24 <gammafunk> ah
00:13:28 <gammafunk> !gitgrep 1 Tomb:3
00:13:29 <Sequell> %git HEAD^{/Tomb:3}
00:13:29 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.23-a0-773-ge8b0c57: Rework trap placement on Tomb:3 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 69+ 67-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e8b0c57b15bd
00:13:45 <gammafunk> !kw newtombtraps vlong>=0.23-a0-773-ge8b0c57
00:13:47 <Sequell> Defined keyword: newtombtraps => vlong>=0.23-a0-773-ge8b0c57
00:13:53 <gammafunk> !lg * newtombtraps tomb
00:13:54 <Sequell> 1. tempest the Heavyweight Champion (L27 TrFi of The Shining One), slain by tempest's illusion (woven by Mara) on Tomb:2 (tomb_2; tomb_2_ambush_old) on 2019-01-19 18:27:44, with 794901 points after 83985 turns and 4:20:38.
00:14:03 <gammafunk> !lg * newtombtraps tomb -tv:<3
00:14:05 <Sequell> 1. tempest, XL27 TrFi, T:83985 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
00:14:28 <gammafunk> Int 2
00:14:31 <gammafunk> nothing could go wrong here
00:16:11 <gammafunk> well, at least they do know that cleansing flame is good
00:16:22 <gammafunk> too bad they didn't have much of a plan otherwise
01:10:15 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
01:22:02 <ebering> !lg * kmap~~ebering Zot
01:22:23 <Sequell> 2. zx48k the Sorcerer (L27 VSWz of Ashenzari), blasted by PikkenKukken's ghost (iron shot) (kmap: ebering_ghost_xom) on Zot:5 on 2018-10-08 07:28:52, with 685165 points after 72318 turns and 6:08:51.
01:27:58 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-808-gd21de94 (34)
01:58:59 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-808-gd21de94
02:54:54 -!- muffindrake1 is now known as muffindrake
02:59:38 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-808-gd21de94
03:51:53 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
04:41:58 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/952 * 0.23-a0-766-g6501b04: Indicate spell damage with exclamation marks and "...but does no damage" 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 47+ 80-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6501b044b115
04:46:39 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: yeah sorry x2 for both errors. I'm pretty sure the drac xl7 thing was fixed at one point during the PR's life so something might have gone wrong. Aptitudes were just manual typo errors though, not sure how they were missed
04:46:59 <alexjurkiewicz> and sorry for not being around, rl called
04:57:15 <NP7> yay unbrace succeeded finally
10:15:22 <Cheibriados> meatsprint is VERY easy 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11834 by Laret
13:33:20 <glaas> I often carry around "rage as a swappable item, in case I want to berserk and can afford the time to swap (saving !berserk for stickier situations). I thought the design decision was that amulets should not be in-battle swaps like this (maybe "rage is an exception for some reason?).
13:33:35 <glaas> A simple change to address this is to make putting on "rage give -berserk.
13:34:13 <glaas> I can submit a PR, but I would want to know beforehand if there's zero enthusiasm for the idea.
13:43:25 <inipro> then that locks you out of other forms of berserking (!berserk, namely)
13:43:53 <glaas> that's true, but is it a problem?
13:51:43 <Pinkbeast> It lets you suppress berserkitis by swapping every n turns.
13:52:28 <glaas> ugh
13:52:47 <glaas> yep
13:52:47 <Pinkbeast> Sorry :-/
13:53:06 <Pinkbeast> Perhaps the amulet doesn't switch on until you reach full HP
13:53:19 <switch__> i don't see anything wrong with swapping to a zerk amulet to use it
13:53:23 <switch__> i've done it with weapons as well
13:54:00 <glaas> perhaps not, but it's not consistent with the usual idea about amulets
13:54:09 <switch__> hotswapping regen and harm amulets leads to minmaxy behavior
13:54:26 <switch__> but hotswapping a zerk amulet for a single turn to cast its effect (which had a % chance to fail) is a little different
13:55:46 <glaas> my impression is that rings and not amulets are meant to be hotswappable
13:55:55 <glaas> there's another question about whether that was a good idea
13:56:01 <glaas> which I am not saying anything about
13:56:19 <switch__> what gives you that impression? both have the same swap rate
13:56:20 <Pinkbeast> You can't hotswap a zerk amulet for a single turn to cast its effect, at least
13:56:25 <switch__> why not?
13:56:33 <Pinkbeast> switch__: Try it.
13:56:48 <switch__> ?
13:56:50 <Pinkbeast> switch__: I imagine what gives glaas that impression is all the changes to the amulets to discourage hotswapping.
13:57:04 <Pinkbeast> Don amulet of rage. Go berserk. Remove ... oh
13:57:08 <glaas> no. what gives me that impression is that is what people said in explanation when they added negative effects/requirements to putting on amulets
13:57:16 <switch__> oh, yeah, sure you can't remove it
13:57:38 <switch__> but that's fine
13:58:11 <switch__> going zerk is already an extremely difficult choice (or at least, it should be). removing an entire item slot for it doesn't make sense
13:58:38 <glaas> depends on what is in the slot, surely
13:59:27 <switch__> i just mean removing your amulet slot for the entirety of the game for the ability to make the choice doesn't make sense, when you already have to e.g. train evocations for the activation percentage, and give up your e.g. reflection amulet for the duration of the fight
14:00:56 <switch__> not to mention zerk being a questionable decision a lot of the time
14:01:03 <switch__> depending on the game, of course
14:01:35 <glaas> you may think "rage is a weak amulet (I disagree) but I don't see what that has to do with it
14:02:11 <glaas> anyway: until or unless someone has a better idea about how to prevent hotswapping it, it seems unnecessary to hash this part out
14:02:13 <switch__> i'm saying it already has tradeoffs, that other amulets with the activation conditions you're describing (e.g. regen, harm) don't
14:02:50 <ebering> glaas: the goal of adding swap penalties to amulets was to reduce amulet swapping, not totally eliminate it
14:03:01 <switch__> there is absolutely no reason not to swap to your regen amulet every single time you're regening HP. you can pick one up and keep it for the entire game just to cut your regen time, which is why that doesn't work
14:03:23 <ebering> "rage was left as is because it has an activation cost, and if you swap to rage you lose your other amulet, possibly with whatever its penalty is
14:03:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
14:04:03 <glaas> ok
14:04:24 <switch__> with harm amulets i believe the argument was ranged vs melee combat, where you can equip your harm amulet, do damage, then take it off when they're able to deal damage
14:04:32 <switch__> which, i'm sure you can imagine, is pretty tedious behavior
14:06:12 <advil> well, this isn't exactly how the discussion about rage went
14:06:24 <advil> in fact lasty considered giving it slow
14:06:36 <advil> or something
14:06:49 <advil> also considered removing it
14:10:49 <glaas> advil: was this discussed in this channel? maybe I'll try to find the discussion if so
14:10:59 <advil> yes, 20180218
14:11:10 <glaas> thanks
14:15:10 <advil> I would interpret the lack of anything happening with that as basically because lasty hasn't been active since then, rather than any decision that no change was needed
14:15:27 <advil> personally I'd go for remove
14:17:49 <glaas> Well it seems the working premise of that discussion, that there is a problem with the current amulet, may no longer be so widely shared
14:19:38 <glaas> ...so in that case I'm happy enough to drop it, is what I'm saying.
14:20:26 <switch__> i don't think it detracts from the game in its current state
14:25:35 <advil> I don't think it's a great item
14:27:25 <advil> for basically the reasons already discussed in that chat...I would be surprised if anyone who was part of that discussion has a different opinion now
15:07:18 <ebering> glaas: the goal of adding swap penalties to amulets was to reduce amulet swapping, not totally eliminate it
15:07:25 <ebering> oops
15:11:05 <switch__> that's a demerit
15:34:45 <switch__> le sigh
15:35:01 <switch__> i can't find a good entry point to replicate the other kinds of fog machines
15:35:09 <switch__> without rewriting stuff
15:43:22 <switch__> nevermind
15:57:04 <Cheibriados> 03floraline02 {ebering} 07* 0.23-a0-809-g5904884: Use X-Forwarded-Proto header for websocket protocol 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/59048849b258
15:57:04 <Cheibriados> 03floraline02 {ebering} 07* 0.23-a0-810-gb20feef: Add option to disable gzip in webtiles 10(7 months ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b20feef7cd23
15:57:04 <Cheibriados> 03floraline02 {ebering} 07* 0.23-a0-811-gf4b81dc: Add webtiles form to change user email 10(8 weeks ago, 5 files, 133+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f4b81dcea058
16:02:34 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-811-gf4b81dcea0 (34)
16:18:25 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/952 * 0.23-a0-767-gf07b273: Use exclamation marks to indicate damage for all brands 10(6 minutes ago, 3 files, 30+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f07b2732bdee
17:25:05 <ebering> &versions
17:25:28 <Sequell> CAO: 0.23-a0-808-gd21de94, CBRO: 0.23-a0-808-gd21de94, CDO: 0.23-a0-808-gd21de94, CKO: 0.23-a0-811-gf4b81dcea0, CPO: 0.23-a0-811-gf4b81dc, CUE: 0.23-a0-767-gdc19b93d68, CWZ: 0.23-a0-729-g94ec030, CXC: 0.23-a0-808-gd21de94, LLD: 0.23-a0-777-g30113ee23b
18:49:32 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:22:21 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 {ebering} 07* 0.23-a0-812-g8471db9: Indicate spell damage with exclamation marks and "...but does no damage" 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 47+ 80-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8471db9e1a3d
21:22:21 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 {ebering} 07* 0.23-a0-813-g440a6e3: Use exclamation marks to indicate damage for all brands 10(5 hours ago, 3 files, 30+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/440a6e3df367
21:22:21 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.23-a0-814-g91b4073: Remove an extra acid message, braces, and some logic 10(24 minutes ago, 3 files, 3+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/91b40731d165
21:32:49 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-814-g91b40731d1 (34)
22:36:10 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy