00:20:56 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: yes i am
00:21:17 <alexjurkiewicz> at the moment storm card does everything above and then some, so I'm trying to figure out what to remove
00:21:56 <alexjurkiewicz> anyway, about card_power, it would be nice to have a similar function which returns card power as a more float-ey number, so things like cbl HD can be scaled off that with a little more granularity
00:22:03 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: my thoughts in that regard are "more is better"
00:22:36 <ebering> the issue of "I'm trapped by my own clouds" is best addressed with a ring-of-flames type effect, maybe with radius scaling on power
00:24:47 <ebering> in terms of including a conjuration, after thinking more and another glass of wine, I think a single scaling elec conjuration (possibly not aappearing at all at level 0) is probably a better direction even if it's less fun
00:24:59 <ebering> than having different conjurations at different levels
00:26:18 <ebering> Just to help the player looking aat their triple draw results make a reasonable choice
00:27:20 <ebering> as for which conjuration, a non-targeted one would be my preference, to keep storm different from the bolt destruction cards
00:28:41 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 {ebering} 07* 0.23-a0-555-g873c05a: Add dispersal traps to Zot:5 10(9 hours ago, 3 files, 19+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/873c05abb0fe
00:44:29 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.23-a0-556-g351818a: Add a TAG_MAJOR around a conditional (gammafunk) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/351818ab63a0
00:45:02 <minmay> my storm idea is to have a separate card for making clouds, and make storm do the wind blast and then cast orb of electrocution
00:45:02 <minmay> the wind blast knocks away nearby monsters so that you can hit them with the orb of electrocution without hitting yourself
00:50:50 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-555-g873c05abb0 (34)
00:51:40 <alexjurkiewicz> orb of electrocution? is this the hellcrawl ood
01:00:08 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-556-g351818ab63 (34)
01:06:59 <ebering> no, it's the "spell" that a ball lighting casts
01:21:53 <alexjurkiewicz> ah
01:25:55 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-556-g351818a (34)
01:40:02 <gammafunk> hrm
01:40:04 <gammafunk> *?asterion
01:40:08 <gammafunk> @?asterion
01:40:08 <Gretell> Asterion (12H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 102-146 | AC/EV: 10/1 04(headbutt: d20-1) | Dam: 35, 20 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2649 | Sp: major destruction (3d6 / 3d27 / 3d20 / 3d24 / 3d28 / 3d25 / 3d22) [11!AM], g.s.makhleb [11!AM], haste [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
01:40:25 <gammafunk> well I think orb of electrocution has a beam attached to it
01:40:36 <gammafunk> so it's not quite the same
01:40:47 <gammafunk> asterion gets that as an effect I think
01:41:18 <gammafunk> oh his is "orb of electricity"
01:42:01 <gammafunk> @?ball lightning
01:42:01 <Gretell> ball lightning (11*) | Spd: 20 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 11non-living, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12tornado, 04napalm | XP: 4 | Sz: little | Int: brainless.
01:42:07 <gammafunk> those don't even have a spell
01:42:34 <gammafunk> they just blow up and it makes this high radius explosion that's similar to the orb of electricity effect
01:57:09 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-556-g351818a
02:57:45 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-556-g351818a
03:29:05 <Kelbell> Experimental (new-nemelex) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-519-g2ffb492a5f
04:00:45 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-557-g8ba4ea4: Better timer messages for the Gauntlet (mikee) 10(71 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ba4ea47b7f0
04:00:45 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-558-g30802b1: Message highlighting for the Gauntlet portal 10(65 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/30802b1d75c0
04:24:50 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
06:02:06 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-558-g30802b1d75 (34)
10:26:50 -!- mroth_ is now known as mroth
12:01:08 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
12:11:58 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.23-a0-558-g30802b1 (34)
13:11:21 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
13:44:23 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
14:06:02 <gammafunk> !lg * explbr=new-nemelex s=src
14:06:03 <Sequell> 79 games for * (explbr=new-nemelex): 79x cko
14:06:17 <gammafunk> !kw new-nemelex explbr=new-nemelex
14:06:18 <Sequell> Defined keyword: new-nemelex => explbr=new-nemelex
14:06:26 <gammafunk> !lg * new-nemelex nem won s=name,char
14:06:27 <Sequell> 2 games for * (new-nemelex nem won): EthnicCake (DsFi), Frosteey (DsFi)
14:06:46 <gammafunk> ebering: data for that experimental from cko is in Sequell now
14:06:55 <gammafunk> new-nemelex kw will query it
14:08:10 <gammafunk> !lm !bot !boring br.enter=lab|gauntlet s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
14:08:28 <Sequell> 13466/239820 milestones for bot (!boring br.enter=lab|gauntlet): 63/293x Gauntlet [21.50%], 13401/216118x Lab [6.20%], 1/9207x D [0.01%], 1/9686x Lair [0.01%], 0/2x Temple [0.00%], 0/3x Tomb [0.00%], 0/5x Zot [0.00%], 0/21x Spider [0.00%], 0/35x Blade [0.00%], 0/125x Slime [0.00%], 0/137x Hive [0.00%], 0/278x Shoals [0.00%], 0/308x Orc [0.00%], 0/325x Crypt [0.00%], 0/366x Snake [0.00%], 0/430x Sw...
14:08:31 <floraline> gammafunk: the text at http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto is still wrong for cko
14:08:41 <ebering> sweet
14:08:53 <gammafunk> he
14:08:57 <gammafunk> *heh
14:09:01 <gammafunk> floraline: you mean ".orb"?
14:09:26 <gammafunk> if there are any other errors, let me know
14:09:39 <floraline> that and "is update daily" although that's technically out of date info now
14:09:58 <floraline> i think i saw a typo on one of the other sections but i forget where that was
14:10:25 <gammafunk> !flip
14:10:25 <Sequell> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
14:10:35 <gammafunk> fixed that one, at least, thanks
14:12:41 <gammafunk> yeah fixed the hostname and the update blurb
14:12:57 <floraline> thanks
14:13:28 <gammafunk> not updating cpo to say "every 14 minutes" since the australians do not get to win
14:14:15 <floraline> lol
14:14:19 <floraline> i wonder if he did actually change it
15:33:32 <Cheibriados> Ghost vault chaos dancing weapon not pre-identified before opening door. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11785 by NormalPerson7
15:44:20 <Kelbell> Webtiles server stopped.
15:44:20 <Kelbell> Webtiles server started.
15:49:54 <floraline> one of my players is not able to resume their game
16:09:33 <floraline> i had to kill the process as it would not respond to sighup
16:09:42 <floraline> this is after restarting webtiles
16:46:19 <advil> .echo $(/ (!lm * newtraps shaft) (!lg * newtraps))
16:46:21 <Sequell> 0.24196059846997495
16:46:23 <advil> .echo $(/ (!lm * 0.22 shaft) (!lg * 0.22))
16:46:25 <Sequell> 0.13241976542240622
16:46:33 <advil> ebering fyi ^
16:47:06 <advil> not sure where that keyword is with respect to changes since merge though
16:48:53 <advil> !kw newtraps
16:48:54 <Sequell> Keyword: newtraps => vlong>=0.23-a0-495
16:50:37 <advil> %git 898447a55
16:50:37 <Cheibriados> 07ebering02 * 0.23-a0-515-g898447a: Better trap-effect sequencing 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/898447a55350
16:51:16 <advil> .echo $(/ (!lm * vlong>=0.23-a0-515 shaft) (!lg * vlong>=0.23-a0-515))
16:51:18 <Sequell> 0.2368052999631947
16:52:19 <advil> (also til there's a shaft milestone)
16:54:25 <advil> .echo $(/ (!lm * newtraps vlong<0.23-a0-507 shaft) (!lg * newtraps vlong<0.23-a0-507))
16:54:26 <Sequell> NaN
16:54:56 <gammafunk> !lg * newtraps vlong<0.23-a0-507
16:54:57 <Sequell> No games for * (newtraps vlong<0.23-a0-507).
16:55:44 <advil> oh that may have been merged at the same time
16:58:37 <gammafunk> %git 5e0f5a240
16:58:37 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2: Remove additional exits from a Gauntlet map 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 33+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5e0f5a2404c2
16:59:08 <gammafunk> !kw gauntlets vlong>=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2
16:59:09 <Sequell> Defined keyword: gauntlets => vlong>=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2
16:59:13 <gammafunk> !kw gauntlet
16:59:13 <Sequell> Built-in: gauntlet => place=gauntlet
17:00:31 <gammafunk> !lm !bot !boring current br.enter=sewer|ossuary|bailey|icecv|volcano|lab|gauntlet|wizlab|desolation s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
17:02:01 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm !bot !boring current br.enter=sewer|ossuary|bailey|icecv|volcano|lab|gauntlet|wizlab|desolation s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
17:02:26 <gammafunk> !lm !bot !boring current br.enter=sewer|ossuary|bailey|icecv|volcano|lab|gauntlet|wizlab|desolation s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
17:03:56 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm !bot !boring current br.enter=sewer|ossuary|bailey|icecv|volcano|lab|gauntlet|wizlab|desolation s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
17:04:20 <advil> man no wonder my pm queries are going slow :-P
17:05:39 <advil> though maybe it's just sequell doing something else
17:06:19 <gammafunk> yeah, milestone queries are just a lot slower, and I've noticed that sequell just gets slower at different times
17:06:36 <advil> I sometimes wonder how many things might be out there somewhere querying it
17:06:37 <gammafunk> we can't really see who's querying it with what
17:06:41 <gammafunk> yeah
17:06:57 <gammafunk> I don't really track queries through my bots, I just have rate limiting in place
17:07:00 <advil> that new scoreboard someone made is supposedly getting its data from sequell
17:07:12 <gammafunk> ug, really?
17:07:34 <gammafunk> should be just downloading the logs themselves
17:07:39 <gammafunk> !lm !bot !boring current br.enter=sewer|ossuary|bailey|icecv|volcano|lab|gauntlet|wizlab|desolation s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
17:08:01 <gammafunk> usually with a query like this it'll return the second time, maybe the third, and if not I just try some hours later and it works
17:08:16 <advil> I'm running !lm queries in pm too ;-)
17:08:54 <gammafunk> just want to see how relatively dangerous the new portal has become
17:09:03 <gammafunk> it's around 20% kill rate, nearly double what labs were
17:09:10 <gammafunk> which is probably close to ice caves
17:09:34 <gammafunk> players are still getting accustomed to it and there aren't all that many deaths yet
17:09:37 <gammafunk> !lg * gauntlet
17:09:39 <Sequell> 66. Shota the Fighter (L12 OgIE of Cheibriados), slain by a minotaur (a +0 battleaxe) in Gauntlet (gammafunk_gauntlet_hard_choice) on 2018-12-10 20:49:35, with 17052 points after 16428 turns and 0:27:59.
17:09:43 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm !bot !boring current br.enter=sewer|ossuary|bailey|icecv|volcano|lab|gauntlet|wizlab|desolation s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun
17:11:16 <advil> well, when I say running, I main sending them to sequell and waiting while nothing happens
17:11:19 <advil> *mean
17:12:37 <gammafunk> perhaps you're performing a useful blackhat service for the community?!
17:12:48 <gammafunk> I'm told that's always helpful
17:13:37 <ebering> .echo $(/ (!lm * newtraps shaft x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}") (!lm * newtraps begin))
17:13:39 <Sequell> 0.1700789508898702
17:14:50 <ebering> .echo $(/ (!lm * 0.22 shaft x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}") (!lm * 0.22 begin))
17:14:55 <Sequell> 0.1129020940857281
17:17:20 <ebering> .echo $(/ (!lm * newtraps shaft) (!lm * newtraps shaft x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}"))
17:17:23 <Sequell> 1.4072327044025157
17:17:24 <ebering> .echo $(/ (!lm * 0.22 shaft) (!lm * 0.22 shaft x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}"))
17:17:29 <Sequell> 1.1531556414859827
17:18:05 <ebering> hm
17:19:16 <ebering> the numbers are bigger but I'm not sure if it's better or worse. IMO it's better but if someone wants to tune further I can point out the line to tweak
17:26:57 <gammafunk> well, my query finished
17:26:58 <gammafunk> 12940/134202 milestones for * (!boring current br.enter=sewer|ossuary|bailey|icecv|volcano|lab|gauntlet|wizlab|desolation): 64/300x Gauntlet [21.33%], 2635/14572x  Bailey [18.08%], 2642/21227x IceCv [12.45%], 258/2407x Desolation [10.72%], 1072/10131x Volcano [10.58%], 1640/16085x Lab [10.20%], 2256/29240x Ossuary [7.72%], 2174/35949x Sewer [6.05%], 199/4291x WizLab [4.64%]
17:27:09 <gammafunk> guess I was way off about the death rate in ice caves
17:28:00 <gammafunk> that rate for gauntlets will drop over time anyhow, but I guess it may end up significantly higher than ice cave, maybe even bailey
17:40:22 <floraline> i accidentally published to git my smtp password in config.py
17:40:28 <floraline> i guess that ought to be stored in a separate secret file
17:41:00 <gammafunk> yeah, one change that webtiles-changes made was to move all config data to configuration files
17:41:07 <gammafunk> it used TOML files to store the data
17:41:22 <gammafunk> storing config data directly in code like that is awful
17:42:05 <gammafunk> then you just have a template config file in the repo
17:42:48 <gammafunk> we could have the same basic approach while still using python code as the storage format, I guess, but that still seems weird
17:43:17 <gammafunk> I forget what other code is in config.py
17:44:26 <gammafunk> guess it really is all just configuration data
18:05:01 <alexjurkiewicz> wow who put CPO at the bottom of that list
18:05:02 <alexjurkiewicz> rude
18:05:36 <alexjurkiewicz> clearly the list is ranked in order of distance from developer hearts 💔
18:12:00 <floraline> alexjurkiewicz: have you considered using a particular space fiction character as the cpo mascot?
18:12:00 <minmay> server tier list
18:21:01 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-558-g30802b1d75 (34)
18:49:49 <alexjurkiewicz> floraline: it seemed too obvious
18:50:26 <alexjurkiewicz> but if anyone drew me a derpy "CP3O" version of the character (thinking like reddit silver) I would totally use it
19:17:03 <gammafunk> im derpy
21:07:15 <alexjurkiewicz> minmay: i like the card thread
21:07:19 <alexjurkiewicz> the storm idea is nice
21:09:20 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
21:31:04 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
23:07:25 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-520-gc77928f: Display the top of the stack in the ability menu 10(11 minutes ago, 3 files, 21+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c77928f97d75
23:07:25 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-521-gcbeb077: fixup! fixup! New Nemelex Stack five 10(62 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cbeb0774a597