00:07:23 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.23-a0-539-g3f6f39f (34)
00:52:26 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-506-g750da1a: Iconography and gui elements for decks 10(5 minutes ago, 31 files, 31+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/750da1aa9811
00:52:26 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-507-g1102ff9: fixup! A deck choosing menu 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1102ff968e29
01:16:23 <Rast2--> Guess I was the only one who liked labyrinth
01:20:51 <gammafunk> Don't tell us what else you like, Rast, we might remove that too!
01:21:04 <Rast2--> I like gozag a lot :(
01:21:13 <gammafunk> gozag nerfs incoming
01:21:19 <Rast2--> and rightfully so
01:21:22 <gammafunk> (gozag nerfs are probably a good idea)
01:21:39 <Rast2--> gammafunk, nothing against gauntlet, but you could have added it and still kept labyrinth
01:21:42 <Rast2--> (they are)
01:22:08 <gammafunk> well part of the aim of gauntlet was to have a new portal that was fun and took the good parts of labyrinths
01:22:09 <Rast2--> most of the lab annoyances are literally special cased things that can be turned back off
01:22:42 <Rast2--> the new lab minivaults are fun, you're wandering through looking for the minotaur and you never know what you'll find
01:22:45 <gammafunk> no, I don't agree that manually solving a maze is interesting (and having an algorithm solve it for you is even less interesting)
01:23:01 <Rast2--> once you know the trick it's not bad
01:23:02 <gammafunk> yeah, well some of this general idea is preserved with the arena concept
01:23:22 <Rast2--> also, the maze is broken up with the minivaults
01:23:29 <gammafunk> you are making choices (like how you might choose a path in a maze) and you will fight cute little arenas with unexpected monster combos and layouts
01:23:49 <gammafunk> well again, the maze solving part just wasn't interesting for a game like this
01:24:22 <gammafunk> it was sort of nice in that sense of "ah, now I'm doing something completely unrelated to the usual game of crawl" and in a way that can feel relaxing, I guess
01:24:29 <Rast2--> if you allowed ?mapping, theres no longer maze solving
01:24:40 <gammafunk> yes but there's also no point to the maze
01:24:46 <Rast2--> hmm
01:24:47 <gammafunk> it's just a long travel path with no meaning
01:28:10 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-539-g3f6f39f (34)
01:34:18 <Rast2--> if you are seriously looking to nerf gozag, a good start would be piety decay
01:34:35 <Rast2--> tax $1 every 50 turns or whatever
01:59:06 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-539-g3f6f39f
03:00:01 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-539-g3f6f39f
05:50:06 <minmay> piety decay and no free potion petition
05:50:26 <minmay> those are the two balance issues with gozag imo
06:29:57 <alexjurkiewicz> piety decay is part of gozag's thing imo
06:30:20 <alexjurkiewicz> lack of i mean
06:30:33 <alexjurkiewicz> remove distraction aura
06:30:40 <alexjurkiewicz> entirely
07:29:18 <gammafunk> gozag would work fine without piety decay
07:29:39 <gammafunk> and I don't think that's what players really care about by choosing gozag
07:30:25 <gammafunk> in terms of their being motivated to play gozag because of lack of piety decay
07:30:42 <gammafunk> they're motivated by abilities
08:25:12 <Gretell> osune (L13 MiBe) ASSERT(you.equip[slot] == armour.link) in 'delay.cc' at line 775 failed. (D:14)
09:07:02 <advil> this player might need a manual fix: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/a3w2ox/stuck_in_exitless_gauntlet_should_i_just_forget_it/
09:08:19 <advil> I suppose save compat could bump anyone in that specific vault prior to 04293e54a7a0 out of the guantlet?
09:08:30 <advil> but there might not really be that many
09:10:35 <ebering> I don't think there are that many, and at this point I'd worry that the solution would do something bad for the saves in non-broken labs. We haven't done it in a long time but in principle there is always a risk that we'll screw up trunk and render games unplayable despite our best efforts
09:11:36 <ebering> floraline: alexjurkiewicz if either of you is interested in hosting a new-nemelex experimental I think my work is at the stage where that would be helpful
09:11:58 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-508-gf916c63: Descriptions for Nemelex Draw abilities 10(10 minutes ago, 4 files, 74+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f916c63abf0c
09:28:24 <advil> well the simplest thing would be to just spawn an exit portal under players with the right save version / in that vault, that's pretty safe. But some of them may have already upgraded
09:28:58 <advil> I think manually fixing those saves is possible as long as someone can replace them
09:36:09 <gammafunk> advil: ebering: yeah, I'd hope that the number of games effected would be pretty small; I did do rebuilds as soon as I was able
09:36:13 <gammafunk> hrm
09:36:24 <gammafunk> !gitgrep 1 exit
09:36:25 <Sequell> %git HEAD^{/exit}
09:36:25 <Cheibriados> 07amalloy02 * 0.23-a0-537-g04293e5: Don't trap player in gammafunk_gauntlet_branching (Kierst, NormalPerson7) 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/04293e54a7a0
09:36:30 <gammafunk> !gitgrep 2 exit
09:36:30 <Sequell> %git HEAD^{/exit}^^{/exit}
09:36:30 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2: Remove additional exits from a Gauntlet map 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 33+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5e0f5a2404c2
09:36:36 <advil> I suspect it's on the order of 2-3
09:36:46 <gammafunk> yes
09:36:54 <gammafunk> !lm * br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2
09:36:55 <Sequell> 22. [2018-12-07 03:10:15] bonepile the Covert (L12 OpEn of Dithmenos) entered a Gauntlet on turn 15719. (Lair:2)
09:37:00 <gammafunk> max of 22 :)
09:37:01 <gammafunk> well
09:37:03 <gammafunk> not quite
09:37:54 <advil> that last one is in fact the reddit poster
09:38:07 <gammafunk> !lm * br.exit=gauntlet gid=$(!lm * br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2 x=gid fmt:"$x[0]" title:"")
09:38:08 <Sequell> No milestones for * (br.exit=gauntlet gid=bonepile:cao:20181107015804S).
09:38:35 <gammafunk> !lm * br.exit=gauntlet gid=$(!lm * br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2 x=gid fmt:"$x[0]" title:"" join:"|")
09:38:35 <Sequell> No milestones for * (br.exit=gauntlet gid=bonepile:cao:20181107015804S).
09:38:46 <gammafunk> !lm * br.exit=gauntlet gid=$(!lm * br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2 s=gid fmt:"${.}" title:"" join:"|")
09:38:48 <Sequell> No milestones for * (br.exit=gauntlet gid=Airwolf:cao:20181106185648S|Anandil:cbro:20181106214456S|ArbitUH:cao:20181106080110S|ArcanElement:cbro:20181106184832S|astronautguy:cao:20181107021935S|BeardTony:cao:20181105191616S|bonepile:cao:20181107015804S|case:cbro:20181106223922S|CougarLife:cbro:20181107005310S|Djent:cao:20181106210538S|Fasciola:cbro:20181106174655S|Firecrotchwizard:cbro:20181105055...
09:38:57 <gammafunk> hmmm
09:39:03 <gammafunk> !lm * br.exit=gauntlet
09:39:04 <Sequell> No milestones for * (br.exit=gauntlet).
09:39:06 <gammafunk> ah
09:39:08 <advil> heh
09:39:12 <gammafunk> no milestones, drat
09:39:37 <advil> does that mean something's wrong with the milestones or no one has exited
09:39:52 <advil> it was only one map that was broken, right?
09:40:01 <gammafunk> I think portals just don't get exit milestones
09:40:06 <advil> ah
09:40:13 <gammafunk> !lm * br.exit=icecv
09:40:13 <Sequell> No milestones for * (br.exit=icecv).
09:40:23 <gammafunk> which....they probably should?
09:40:43 <gammafunk> !lm * br.enter=icecv
09:41:02 <gammafunk> well that'll possibly timeout but yeah that's unfortunate
09:41:23 <gammafunk> ebering: we actually have fixed saves manually multiple times in the past, I've even had one of my own games fixed
09:41:39 <gammafunk> it's not especially problematic or error-prone or anything since you can test any edited save you make
09:41:48 <gammafunk> the final product, at least
09:42:05 <gammafunk> but yeah it's work for any admin who wants to do it; a dev has to fix the save and the admin has to install it
09:42:13 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * br.enter=icecv
09:42:16 <advil> if ((brdepth[old_level.branch] > 1
09:42:23 <advil> no 1 level branches count as notable, I guess
09:42:27 <advil> except the vestibule
09:42:41 <gammafunk> ah, might be good to add those, at least in the case of portals
09:42:56 <gammafunk> for vestibul I guess I could see not having it
09:43:03 <gammafunk> and temple
09:43:10 <gammafunk> well, temple for sure I guess
09:43:10 <advil> it probably comes from the days when everything got announced
09:43:21 <gammafunk> sounds plausible
09:43:54 <advil> !source stairs.cc:734
09:43:54 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/stairs.cc#L734
09:45:31 <advil> you could check for later milestones on those chars btw, if you really wanted to
10:01:47 <gammafunk> oh
10:01:48 <gammafunk> good point
10:03:08 <gammafunk> !lm . br.enter=elf
10:04:39 <Sequell> 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm . br.enter=elf
10:05:09 <gammafunk> !lm * br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2 s=oplace
10:05:09 <Sequell> 22 milestones for * (br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2): 4x Lair:6, 3x Lair:2, 2x Lair:1, 2x Lair:3, 2x Lair:4, 2x Orc:2, 2x D:13, 2x D:15, D:14, D:12, Lair:5
10:05:19 <gammafunk> !lm * alive br.enter=swamp|spider|snake|shoals|elf gid=$(!lm * br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2 s=gid fmt:"${.}" title:"" join:"|")
10:05:21 <Sequell> 13. [2018-12-07 06:50:48] ArbitUH the Warrior (L17 TeAE of Vehumet) entered the Spider Nest on turn 47067. (Lair:3)
10:05:42 <gammafunk> and then
10:05:50 <gammafunk> !lm * br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2 alive
10:05:52 <Sequell> 11. [2018-12-07 03:10:15] bonepile the Covert (L12 OpEn of Dithmenos) entered a Gauntlet on turn 15719. (Lair:2)
10:06:27 <gammafunk> oh, need to control for multiplicity
10:06:37 <gammafunk> !lm * alive s=gid br.enter=swamp|spider|snake|shoals|elf gid=$(!lm * br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2 s=gid fmt:"${.}" title:"" join:"|")
10:06:39 <Sequell> 13 milestones for * (alive br.enter=swamp|spider|snake|shoals|elf gid=Airwolf:cao:20181106185648S|Anandil:cbro:20181106214456S|ArbitUH:cao:20181106080110S|ArcanElement:cbro:20181106184832S|astronautguy:cao:20181107021935S|BeardTony:cao:20181105191616S|bonepile:cao:20181107015804S|case:cbro:20181106223922S|CougarLife:cbro:20181107005310S|Djent:cao:20181106210538S|Fasciola:cbro:20181106174655S|Firec...
10:06:44 <gammafunk> helpful
10:07:00 <gammafunk> !lm * alive fmt:"made it out" s=gid br.enter=swamp|spider|snake|shoals|elf gid=$(!lm * br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2 s=gid fmt:"${.}" title:"" join:"|")
10:07:02 <Sequell> 13 milestones for * (alive br.enter=swamp|spider|snake|shoals|elf gid=Airwolf:cao:20181106185648S|Anandil:cbro:20181106214456S|ArbitUH:cao:20181106080110S|ArcanElement:cbro:20181106184832S|astronautguy:cao:20181107021935S|BeardTony:cao:20181105191616S|bonepile:cao:20181107015804S|case:cbro:20181106223922S|CougarLife:cbro:20181107005310S|Djent:cao:20181106210538S|Fasciola:cbro:20181106174655S|Firec...
10:07:07 <gammafunk> !lm * alive title:"made it out" s=gid br.enter=swamp|spider|snake|shoals|elf gid=$(!lm * br.enter=gauntlet vlong=0.23-a0-536-g5e0f5a2 s=gid fmt:"${.}" title:"" join:"|")
10:07:09 <Sequell> made it out: 3x BeardTony:cao:20181105191616S, 3x p1v0:cao:20181105135838S, 2x Airwolf:cao:20181106185648S, 2x ArbitUH:cao:20181106080110S, 2x case:cbro:20181106223922S, zishaf:cbro:20181106200312S
10:07:19 <gammafunk> ok, so 6
10:07:25 <gammafunk> with 11 games alive
10:07:32 <gammafunk> meaning max of 5 needing a fix
10:08:07 <gammafunk> might not be fully correct since a game could have made it out and not generated any of those specific milestones
10:09:06 <gammafunk> oh and technicaly some games might have gone in to those places before going into the lab
10:09:27 <gammafunk> but to make it really correct the query is a bit more complicated and not worth the effort
10:38:05 <advil> I might just commit a save compat fix
10:38:18 <advil> it's really not too bad to do and it's easier than all the coordination involved in a manual fix
10:42:20 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-509-gde9b524: fixup! Descriptions for Nemelex Draw abilities 10(46 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de9b524391e2
10:42:20 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-510-g898f760: Display cards available in the ability menu 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/898f760db3a8
10:42:20 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/916 * 0.23-a0-511-g9e431a2: Disable empty decks in the ability menu 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e431a2e33b3
10:55:03 <advil> well, the one tricky thing with this map is that depending on where they are when they load, if someone ignores the emergency exit they could still be trapped
10:59:19 <advil> guess you can't save everyone
11:01:44 <gammafunk> advil: you could probably do something clever with looking for the transporter marker of the right label
11:02:12 <gammafunk> and replace e.g. a landing site with an exit
11:02:49 <gammafunk> since you know what the marker labels are of landing sites
11:03:06 <gammafunk> the ones that are in the final landing area specifically
11:03:38 <gammafunk> Other than that, I assume you were planning to place an exit under the player?
11:05:48 <advil> yes
11:05:57 <advil> I might just still do that, for simplicity
11:08:38 <advil> gauntlet is all about making choices after all, I'm just giving a choice to not get trapped
11:08:57 <gammafunk> haha
11:09:13 <gammafunk> fine, mock my newest vanity project if you must
11:09:25 <advil> :-P
11:09:36 <gammafunk> I'll mock your crawl music changes when they get merged
11:09:51 <advil> (I didn't really mean that in a mocking way)
11:09:57 <gammafunk> yes, I know :)
11:10:24 <gammafunk> for some reason I'm more excited about sound effects in crawl than background music
11:10:33 <gammafunk> I guess because I'd tend to play my own music after a while
11:12:58 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.23-a0-540-gb4a7915: Save compat for 04293e54a7a0 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 16+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b4a79150e3e6
11:13:27 <advil> %git f02c8104387
11:13:27 <Cheibriados> 07advil02 * 0.23-a0-417-gf02c810: Validate file pointer when loading help parts 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f02c81043874
11:13:32 <advil> I almost made it a month
11:15:20 <gammafunk> I checked stats since 0.21-a
11:16:36 <gammafunk> $ top-crawl-commits 0.21-a0..HEAD
11:16:36 <gammafunk> 481 advil
11:16:36 <gammafunk> 450 gammafunk
11:16:36 <gammafunk> 423 Aidan Holm
11:16:36 <gammafunk> 132 ebering
11:17:00 <gammafunk> your lead widens a bit if we go back to 0.20-a0
11:17:19 <advil> huh, even with that break
11:17:30 <advil> small bugfix commits ftw
11:19:29 <gammafunk> %git 0.23-b0~1
11:19:29 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit 0.23-b0~1 (git returned 128)
11:19:34 <gammafunk> %git 0.23-b1~1
11:19:34 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit 0.23-b1~1 (git returned 128)
11:19:55 <gammafunk> %git 0.23.0~1
11:19:55 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit 0.23.0~1 (git returned 128)
11:20:03 <gammafunk> derp
11:20:06 <gammafunk> %git 0.22.0~1
11:20:06 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.22-b1-75-g2b63b61: Rewrap the FAQ.txt file (RoGGa, 11512) 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2b63b61895ae
11:20:13 <gammafunk> %git 0.22-b1~1
11:20:13 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.22-a0-900-g8945bfb: Adjust placement of Sonja and Urug 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8945bfbd8a32
11:20:26 <gammafunk> yeah, feels like more has changed fundamentally this version
11:20:33 <gammafunk> but commit count wise we're a bit less
11:20:59 <ebering> no ui overhaul or webtiles password reset
11:21:18 <gammafunk> yeah, although aidanh has another big UI branch to merge
11:21:25 <gammafunk> oh and we still have datafiles to merge...
11:22:24 <gammafunk> but yeah, probably the UI stuff alone counts for most of it, not sure how big webtiles passwords were, but I feel that wasn't too many
11:22:46 <gammafunk> also we need to encourage more admins to enable that
11:23:15 <ebering> it would be nice to get some of floraline's other prs in and enabled also
11:23:24 <ebering> less ambitious than webtiles-changes but needed smoothing
11:23:48 <gammafunk> hrm, did he implement many others?
11:24:14 <gammafunk> webtiles email change definitely
11:25:21 <advil> there are a bunch of misc webtiles options that look plausible but affected things outside my knowledge sphere
11:26:07 <advil> one of them needed some more edits? not sure if that got done
11:26:21 <gammafunk> yeah, the gzip option is interesting in terms of the discussion of how having compression creates other issues
11:26:45 <ebering> the Forwarded-Proto header is one that would help out people running their own webtiles instances
11:27:00 <ebering> I have heard that getting tornado to use https with our ancient tornado is a nongo
11:27:23 <ebering> but that it is also a headache to set up an httpd instance to proxy
11:29:35 <advil> yeah the gzip one still needs some changes so as to add a new option in a way that won't break servers
11:30:50 <gammafunk> hrm, the description of the issue that floraline gives of the X-Forwarded-Proto PR confuses me a bit
11:31:09 <gammafunk> in that no 4. read "Client will refuse the websocket"
11:31:48 <gammafunk> whereas I think it's the proxy that's actually refusing the Clients subsequent attempt to connect via http (based on the webtiles websocket url it's eventually given)
11:32:24 <advil> iirc I actually tested that one and it didn't cause any problems that I spotted
11:32:36 <advil> but I still didn't really now what it was doing so I didn't merge it
11:32:55 <advil> *know
11:33:10 <gammafunk> yeah I get the description of why it could be useful, but I don't have familiarity with that header
11:34:35 <gammafunk> and yeah I guess we could take the webtiles-changes approach and do url manipulation in the client
11:37:13 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-540-gb4a79150e3 (34)
11:42:11 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.23-a0-540-gb4a7915 (34)
11:45:52 <ebering> new nemelex is in playtestable shape I think
11:46:11 <ebering> the stack 5 ui needs some work, and I'd like to add another pane to the ^ screen
11:46:29 <ebering> but nem isn't the only god that needs an extra pane, so I don't think I'll do that in the nem branch
11:46:53 <ebering> (by the way, y'all can push to ebering/crawl:rnrnemelex)
11:47:10 <ebering> my plan is not to force-push to that
11:47:22 <ebering> just rebase and merge when the time comes
14:24:28 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/919 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/919
14:24:28 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/919 * 0.23-a0-541-gebbe121: Show blowgun chance on firing with F (11777) 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 27+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ebbe12102b22
14:25:21 <advil> hm is it possible to get multiple instances of the same portal during a game?
14:25:25 <advil> or is that ruled out somehow?
14:28:48 <amalloy> advil: for most portals it is impossible. bazaars are the only exception i can think of
14:28:57 <advil> ah
14:30:13 <advil> I found one place where this is tracked (you.branches_left) but that is apparently not how the generation constraint is implemented
14:30:35 <advil> oh well, I don't really need to know how it works
14:33:36 <amalloy> advil: i think it's tags in the portal entry vaults
14:33:46 <amalloy> uniq_ossuary is a tag all the ossuary entries have, for example
14:33:51 <advil> oh, that'd do it
14:34:18 <amalloy> i forget where the "uniq_" prefix is handled
14:34:33 <advil> that one I have looked at before for other reasons
14:36:12 <amalloy> i wonder why the type for describing target selection is called "dist"
14:41:46 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.23-a0-541-g48eebcd: Create br.exit milestones for more branches 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48eebcd87f08
14:47:19 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-541-g48eebcd87f (34)
14:48:28 <ebering> amalloy: mysteries of crawl past
14:51:37 <ebering> my best guess is that it is a hold over from when throwing had range limitations but???
14:57:58 <ebering> older than that
14:58:06 <ebering> it was called struct dist in
14:58:08 <ebering> %git 673bdae7548
14:58:08 <Cheibriados> 07peterb1202 * 673bdae75485: Initial revision 10(13 years ago, 183 files, 153322+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/673bdae75485
15:00:01 <Cheibriados> 03NormalPerson702 {amalloy} 07* 0.23-a0-542-ge99ae73: Show blowgun chance on firing with F (11777) 10(48 minutes ago, 1 file, 27+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e99ae73ce801
15:00:48 <ebering> amalloy: with the merge before I finished building my copy of it to test :P
15:02:01 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-542-ge99ae73ce8 (34)
15:02:27 <amalloy> i should check tiles actually - i think it may still be possible to throw an item through the old path by clicking on stuff
15:15:29 <Lantell> Toogi (L21 MuNe) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 4348: Invalid item: (quantity: 0) gold piece (D:9)
15:41:46 <amalloy> rand_demon_4 is a weird vault. it looks like it's intentionally designed to require noticing an area you could dig into
15:46:17 <amalloy> as pointed out in https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/a431u3/ - i looked through the history and it's been that way ever since it was first added in 2007 via 2b3c8ea80b1
15:46:53 <ebering> it was a different time in crawl vault design
15:47:11 <amalloy> right. i can understand how that might have seemed cool back then. it doesn't seem to fit today, right?
15:48:32 <ebering> it does not
15:49:14 <ebering> changing the intended dig destination to a door is probably sufficient
15:49:30 <ebering> I've got it
15:50:49 <Cheibriados> 03ebering02 07* 0.23-a0-543-g2dd13d1: Remove a secret dig square (Rawrakai) 10(44 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2dd13d1d2ce3
15:59:40 <ebering> heh, we posted almost identical comments on reddit :P
16:01:58 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-543-g2dd13d1d2c (34)
16:44:32 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-544-g9cf61d6: Fix a Gauntlet monster set entry 10(47 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9cf61d6ab021
16:44:32 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-545-g05cfe7a: Balance changes for some Gauntlet monster sets 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 18+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/05cfe7af0558
16:44:32 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-546-g807884b: A couple new Gauntlet monster sets 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/807884b9e00b
16:44:32 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-547-g1e3a7e1: Some fixes for a Gauntlet map 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1e3a7e1e510b
16:44:32 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-548-gc58ec83: A new Gauntlet map with progressively more choices 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 68+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c58ec838620e
16:44:32 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-549-ge004423: Extend and rework gammafunk_gauntlet_branching 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 77+ 52-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e004423b7867
16:44:32 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-550-g7de1f8e: Remove some SUBST for unused subvault glyphs 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7de1f8ee9fc7
16:46:58 <Kelbell> Unstable branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-550-g7de1f8ee9f (34)
16:49:01 -!- yesno__ is now known as yesno
17:00:59 <travis-ci> The build passed. (master - 2dd13d1 #10695 : Edgar Bering): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/465131384
18:21:27 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-550-g7de1f8ee9f (34)
19:21:28 -!- quadsar_ is now known as quadsar
20:11:42 <Cheibriados> Fast travelling to an unvisited floor no longer works as a default after visiting and leaving another branch 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11783 by everene
21:04:24 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: new-nemelex building now
21:06:29 <floraline> alexjurkiewicz: is that what we're calling it?
21:07:39 <alexjurkiewicz> the branches are called "Experimental (<branchname>)" on CPO
21:07:57 <floraline> that's not the branch name though
21:07:57 <alexjurkiewicz> but the logs don't get read by sequell so the name isn't so important, if that's what you're thinking of...?
21:08:05 <floraline> i'm seeing rnrnemelex
21:08:27 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: sweet! thanks
21:08:39 <alexjurkiewicz> ah yeah. what is the new branch name? new-nemelex doesn't exist
21:08:57 <floraline> it's ebering:rnrnemelex
21:09:22 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: it's not a branch in the crawl repo (okay it is, it's pull/916)
21:09:36 <floraline> oh cool you can reference a pull as a branch like that?
21:09:39 <ebering> yeah
21:09:50 <ebering> often when I'm merging prs I do
21:09:51 <alexjurkiewicz> oh. cool, i'll use the pull too
21:09:58 <ebering> $ get fetch upstream pull/916/head
21:10:08 <ebering> git checkout -b informative_name FETCH_HEAD
21:11:10 <ebering> upstream is my remote name for crawl
21:13:17 <alexjurkiewicz> anyway yeah, I will call the branch new-nemelex for users, since that's a bit more explicit
21:13:49 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: side note: it would be cool if experimentals had some way to tell users what was new when they started a game. Either the server could link to the wiki page or the game could on turn 0
21:15:46 <alexjurkiewicz> floraline: can you link to your code changes to group games in the lobby list?
21:15:46 <floraline> i've called it new-nemelex too
21:15:52 <alexjurkiewicz> you did before, but I didn't save the link -.-
21:15:53 <floraline> when it's done building i will restart webtiles
21:16:00 <floraline> sure, let me see if i can find it on pastebin
21:16:04 <floraline> it might have self destructed
21:16:27 <floraline> alexjurkiewicz: https://pastebin.com/4eZ6U1bJ
21:16:52 <advil> new^3nemelex?
21:17:17 <floraline> ability.cc:1126:8: warning: no previous declaration for ‘std::__cxx11::string _nemelex_desc(ability_type)’ [-Wmissing-declarations]
21:17:19 <advil> at least I think this is the third remake since I've been paying attention, maybe I'm off by one
21:17:20 <alexjurkiewicz> nemelex2018
21:17:22 <floraline> whoops
21:17:27 <floraline> didn't mean to paste that
21:18:03 <alexjurkiewicz> and another warning further down: decks.cc:215:14: warning: no previous declaration for ‘const string _stack_contents()’ [-Wmissing-declarations]
21:19:01 <alexjurkiewicz> ah yeah, this seperator stuff... need to re-implement it for webtiles-changes
21:19:39 <floraline> the separator thing is really just intended to change the default | into something else
21:20:06 <floraline> if you're going to bring custom game links stuff to webtiles-changes it could be a lot more useful/easy
21:21:28 <alexjurkiewicz> yeah I'll try to add a 'section' parameter for game config and let the lobby code work it out
21:21:33 <floraline> oh i guess when i built manually i forgot to make it nice
21:22:00 <floraline> right that would be a lot better
21:22:49 <geekosaur> surely we're up to ^6 by now?
21:23:32 <ebering> yeah, calling the branch rnrnemelex was my homage to scheme
21:24:21 <geekosaur> actally it looks like we're up to ^8 or so :p
21:24:54 <ebering> someday we'll get this god figured out
21:25:20 <geekosaur> hey, early versions had that portable altar thing
21:26:45 <geekosaur> and tbh I'd be thinking of giving it up as a bad job. "neat idea, but nobody's ever been able to make it sane"
21:26:46 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: thanks for the warnings
21:27:01 <alexjurkiewicz> i can only take half the credit
21:27:16 <ebering> clang seems to not have that warning
21:27:25 <floraline> well cko generates warnings every 13 minutes
21:27:28 <ebering> :P
21:28:09 <ebering> I could click through to travis I guess
21:28:28 <geekosaur> clang should have that warning. possibly build options? I build webtles locally to get warnings not generated by console
21:28:29 <ebering> It would be nice if the makefile got clang to generate similar warnings
21:28:40 <ebering> I build webtiles locally
21:29:14 <geekosaur> ...and one reason I build with clang is it used to generate the better warnings. and those in particular
21:37:53 <Kelbell> Experimental (new-nemelex) branch on crawl.kelbi.org updated to: 0.23-a0-511-g9e431a2e33
21:38:02 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: ok first feedback,is there any feedback when you get a card??
21:38:21 <alexjurkiewicz> just explored a few levels wondering when I'd get my first card, and I checked ability screen and I have like 14!
21:38:47 <Kelbell> Webtiles server stopped.
21:39:29 <Kelbell> Webtiles server started.
21:45:23 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: there's supposed to be a god message that reads "Nemelex deals you some cards." every time you get a gift
21:45:25 <alexjurkiewicz> ah there is a message, but it's not force_mored
21:45:29 <alexjurkiewicz> heh
21:45:29 <ebering> mm!
21:46:19 <alexjurkiewicz> it would be nice if the message said which deck. Maybe it could say something different if the deck goes from 0->1 and when the deck is full, because force_more for every gift would be annoying but the latter two conditions are probably important
21:53:53 <ebering> indeed
21:53:54 <ebering> thanks!
21:54:37 <ebering> working out the exact messaging is a bit tricky, because gifts now come to all decks
21:54:51 <ebering> but doesn't seem impossible
21:54:53 <ebering> also rip
21:55:56 <alexjurkiewicz> indeed.please also mege in trunk so I can test gauntlet at the same time
22:32:16 <minmay> courtesy of ##crawl: one issue with teleport traps, that remains even with explore traps, is that it encourages players to wear a -Tele item while exploring; perhaps -Tele should be removed?
22:36:47 <geekosaur> tbh I'm starting to think that if the new traps thing is the best we could do, maybe they should just be removed. I'm having trouble seeing the point
22:37:53 <ebering> trap-effects have good odds to create tense, memorable experiences
22:38:12 <ebering> it's possible that they're currently overtuned
22:38:47 <ebering> but, yanking the player out of their controlled happy terrain with a 14-tile wide clear path to the upstairs is desirable from time to time
22:39:51 <geekosaur> so far the main effect I've seen was getting unexpectedly yanked out of a sewer entrance vault
22:40:43 <minmay> that sounds like a problem with portal vault timers rather than a problem with traps
22:47:07 <geekosaur> I hadn't reached the actual portal yet
22:48:45 <ebering> I mean that could happen with old traps
23:22:34 <floraline> ebering: is there a thread for new nelemex
23:26:22 <ebering> floraline: yes https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewforum.php?f=8
23:26:26 <ebering> oops
23:26:33 <ebering> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25934
23:38:10 <alexjurkiewicz> You draw a card... You have drawn the Storm. A fierce wind blows from the card.
23:38:13 <alexjurkiewicz> The orcs, the orc knight and your air elemental are blown away by the wind.
23:38:17 <alexjurkiewicz> shouldn't air elementals have rWind
23:47:02 <floraline> ebering: thanks, i've added a link to the thread
23:47:10 <floraline> new-nemelex is playable on cko, someone is in there right now
23:50:53 <alexjurkiewicz> ebering: bug report: if you get a confirm prompt while targeting a destruction spell (eg "your line of fire to the x is blocked by a bush") and answer N, the card is cancelled rather than returning you to the targeter
23:51:38 <ebering> alexjurkiewicz: thanks