00:05:21 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-396-g5214e5f: A new Ijyb splash screen from ploomutoo 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5214e5fee515
01:00:00 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.23-a0-396-g5214e5f (34)
01:10:53 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-396-g5214e5fee5 (34)
01:11:49 <travis-ci> The build was fixed. (master - 5214e5f #10545 : gammafunk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/449672103
02:27:31 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-396-g5214e5f (34)
02:58:57 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-396-g5214e5f
03:11:40 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.23-a0-396-g5214e5f (34)
03:35:27 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
03:58:55 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-396-g5214e5f
05:11:27 <rabbit> Hi ! I can't remember my password (new laptop at work) any way to reset it ? on akrasiac.org
05:12:03 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.23-a0-397-g98fffd3: Allow seeing the memorise menu while confused (#11517). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/98fffd3787d6
05:12:03 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.23-a0-398-g8eab93f: Don't print god warnings about a spell you can't memorise anyway. 10(89 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8eab93fbe22c
05:17:41 <wheals> my contribution for this release cycle is done
06:10:43 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-398-g8eab93fbe2 (34)
06:46:51 <|amethyst> rabbit:  email me at neil@s-z.org with your account name, preferably from the same email address that's registered with the account
06:55:31 <rabbit> |amethyst: sent
07:00:37 <rabbit> |amethyst: there must be a least 3 accounts linked to that email, the right one is on the french server
07:01:10 <|amethyst> rabbit:  I thought you said akrasiac
07:01:23 <|amethyst> rabbit:  CAO is the only one I can do anything about
07:01:42 <|amethyst> rabbit:  CXC is medar
07:01:45 <|amethyst> !seen medar
07:01:46 <Sequell> I last saw Medar at Wed Oct 24 18:48:52 2018 UTC (1w 1d 16h 12m 54s ago) quitting, saying '*.net *.split'.
07:01:58 <rabbit> sorry it is xtahua
07:02:13 <|amethyst> rabbit:  no problem, sorry I can't help :(
07:02:20 <|amethyst> ??medar
07:02:21 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled medar in my learndb.
07:02:22 <|amethyst> ??cxc
07:02:22 <Sequell> cXc[1/2]: Server in France: CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM -- ssh port 22, username crawl, uses CAO key (available at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/keys/). Webtiles address: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM Discord server https://discord.gg/SzXGZNS
07:02:29 <|amethyst> ??cxc[2
07:02:30 <Sequell> cXc[2/2]: Announced by Eksell, which uses | as a prefix. Morgues, ttyrecs etc. are at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/. Maintained by Medar and zkyp.
07:02:34 <|amethyst> hm
07:02:37 <|amethyst> !seen zkyp
07:02:38 <Sequell> I last saw zkyp at Fri Oct 26 05:55:52 2018 UTC (1w 5h 6m 46s ago) quitting, saying '*.net *.split'.
07:02:53 <|amethyst> looks like either Medar or zkyp can help, if they show up here
07:03:05 <rabbit> ok, thank you
07:03:25 <|amethyst> you can  !tell zkyp need a password reset for account XYZ
07:03:33 <|amethyst> and likewise with Medar; then they'll see it when they next say something in IRC
07:04:15 <rabbit> i'm still logged in at home, the password must be written somewhere...
08:18:02 <advil> rabbit: to get in touch with medar (or I think there's another CXC admin?) the CXC discord might be faster
08:18:12 <advil> ??cxc
08:18:13 <Sequell> cXc[1/2]: Server in France: CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM -- ssh port 22, username crawl, uses CAO key (available at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/keys/). Webtiles address: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM Discord server https://discord.gg/SzXGZNS
08:18:55 <advil> last link there is an invite
08:25:08 <advil> oh zkyp is the other admin, I get it
08:25:19 <advil> well the discord is going to be faster for them too, I think
08:45:47 <rabbit> advil: thanks
11:27:40 <Cheibriados> Crash during use of Brooding to swap ancestor (Hepliaklqana) located on another level with monster 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11744 by mwcat
13:05:34 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.23-a0-398-g8eab93f (34)
14:20:49 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
14:27:51 <Cheibriados> 03stenella02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/882 * 0.23-a0-390-gde9419b: Leave Dual-Wielders Alone 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de9419bda126
14:37:11 <switch__> wait
14:37:22 <switch__> LRD doesn't break stuff anymore, huh
14:38:26 <Cheibriados> 03stenella02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/888 * 0.23-a0-396-ge779dae: Check for stat_zero slow before telling player they're good to go 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e779daee52d1
14:38:29 <switch__> how do you get broken doors?
14:43:01 <advil> shatter can destroy doors
14:43:12 <advil> is that what you mean?
14:44:57 <advil> it probably just removes the feature, I'm not sure there's a notion of broken door per se. Though corruption/abyss effects turn some features to arches, maybe including doors
14:54:20 <Cheibriados> 03stenella02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/883 * 0.23-a0-390-g34154a4: Change LRD flavour text for doors 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34154a4612ba
15:04:34 <switch__> i swear to god there are tiles of broken-to-pieces doors
15:04:36 <switch__> are there not?
15:04:54 <Cheibriados> 03stenella02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/886 * 0.23-a0-394-g2127111: Disable met targets after quaffing a potion of experience 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/21271119b1ac
15:04:57 <switch__> i just tried shatter in my local game and it made the doors straight up disappear
15:07:37 <switch__> re the style guide, i'm pretty sure i saw some post reaming Realz about his use of curly brackets for single-line if statements
15:08:10 <switch__> oh, only when the conditionals are single-line as well. i see
15:20:46 <Cheibriados> 03stenella02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/884 * 0.23-a0-395-gd9d9f99: Change conditionals for easier sanity checking 10(50 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d9d9f990c2b3
15:21:12 <switch__> advil: all changes made
15:31:22 <Cheibriados> 03stenella02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/886 * 0.23-a0-394-ge9cb12e: Disable met targets after quaffing a potion of experience 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e9cb12e60611
15:35:38 <rabbit> hi
15:35:56 <rabbit> I was watching my availables spells,
15:36:24 <rabbit> and after pressing enter to describe an entry,
15:36:39 <Cheibriados> 03stenella02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/883 * 0.23-a0-390-g7979af3: Change LRD flavour text for doors 10(47 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7979af31f351
15:37:20 <rabbit> Portal Projectile disappeared from the list
15:37:37 <rabbit> on latest trunk
15:37:53 <switch__> is it possible you hid it?
15:38:32 <rabbit> ah perhaps
15:38:45 <rabbit> you're right !
15:38:49 <rabbit> thank you
15:38:50 <switch__> :)
15:43:22 <gammafunk> %git
15:43:22 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.23-a0-398-g8eab93f: Don't print god warnings about a spell you can't memorise anyway. 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8eab93fbe22c
15:44:35 <gammafunk> !bug 11517
15:44:36 <Sequell> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11517
15:52:14 <gammafunk> sort of an interesting question raised by this lab rework
15:52:34 <gammafunk> how do we TAG_MAJOR an entire source file
15:52:45 <switch__> lol
15:53:51 <switch__> what compat is that for? i saw the message in the code saying "don't remove this. no, seriously, don't touch this"
15:54:02 <switch__> and that it would require a bit refactor
15:54:07 <switch__> but i don't actually know what it means
16:22:40 <amalloy> gammafunk: what lab rework?
16:22:59 <gammafunk> amalloy: I have a preliminary wiki page about it, but it's not fully completed
16:23:16 <gammafunk> amalloy: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/Labyrinth-Rework
16:23:31 <gammafunk> second section gives you a rough sketch of the new portal
16:23:51 <amalloy> switch__: TAG_MAJOR is what we change when we break save compat. so, wrapping a section in TAG_MAJOR == 34 means "this code would be removed, but is left in for save compatibility until we upgrade the major version"
16:24:00 <gammafunk> I'm getting a working prototype going with a first map, hope to have at least a few ready
16:24:19 <gammafunk> related question, if I put a TAG_MAJOR_VERSION in defines.h, that should be fine, right?
16:24:33 <gammafunk> that define is at the macro level so there's no scoping or anything?
16:24:44 <gammafunk> I see aptitudes.h using that despite not including tag-version.h
16:24:50 <gammafunk> or any head that includes that
16:25:24 <switch__> sure, but that tag is *years* old
16:25:32 <switch__> i meant more like, what does it *actually* mean
16:25:57 <amalloy> switch__: yes, it's been a long time since we broke save compat. someone (advil i think?) wrote up a cool article about the history of save compat
16:26:55 <amalloy> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop/history/major-tag-history.md
16:27:03 <pblur> Minor bug; I don't think it's possible to animate skeleton in deep water.
16:27:21 <pblur> My octopode is getting a "no room" message.
16:27:22 <amalloy> i don't know how to answer what it "actually" means. it means that we're keeping save compatibility
16:27:54 <pblur> On corpses that will produce deep-water compatible skeletons
16:29:37 <amalloy> pblur: this is a known issue that's been reported a number of times; the canonical bug seems to be https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9716
16:30:13 <pblur> Ah, I see. I should probably have searched for it before mentioning it.
16:50:30 <Cheibriados> door missing in due_jungle_book vault 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11745 by NormalPerson7
16:55:47 <Cheibriados> Punk's acid splash damage appears to ignore enemy acid resistance 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11746 by NormalPerson7
17:22:42 <rabbit> btw thank you all for this great game
18:05:33 <alexjurkiewicz> advil: I won't be around super much but will try to keep an eye on irc
18:06:44 <alexjurkiewicz> gammafunk: the lab rework sounds like vaults that i think minmay made?
18:07:22 <alexjurkiewicz> or maybe it was r-i
18:07:55 <alexjurkiewicz> actually I think it was r-i's and it was called the gauntlet?
18:08:23 <alexjurkiewicz> there was a playable model of it. Set in pandemonium with cheering crowds of demons watching on
18:27:10 <switch__> https://i.imgur.com/7iWQnGW.png why is claws an override?
18:29:02 <switch__> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dc8eb4eb1912dbc546a8ca76ed896dd06d0dfc33
18:29:05 <switch__> uhh, sure, but why?
18:29:24 <|amethyst> switch__:  because unlike the others that one implements a pure virtual method from actor
18:29:40 <|amethyst> switch__:  because unlike the others, it's defined for monsters too
18:30:31 <switch__> ahh, gotcha
18:31:37 <switch__> https://i.imgur.com/e7hh0GT.png no shit
18:31:49 <|amethyst> hah
18:32:50 <|amethyst> honestly we should probably get rid of the bool version of get_mutation_level
18:33:21 <|amethyst> and default  minact = mutation_activity_type::PARTIAL
18:33:52 <|amethyst> since it's more informative at the call site to see an enum and not a bool
18:34:23 <|amethyst> s/enum/&erator/
18:34:28 <switch__> https://i.imgur.com/0Hihm9k.png
18:34:30 <switch__> jesus
18:39:58 <gammafunk> |amethyst: any recommendations for me if I essentially want to tag major dgn-labyrinths.cc ?
18:40:13 <gammafunk> what's left of it that I don't just remove, that is
18:40:23 <gammafunk> actually I should really confirm that there will be any left
18:40:42 <gammafunk> the level creaton code I can remove, just not anything required for the portal to work for saves already existing there
18:41:03 <gammafunk> *creation
18:41:31 <gammafunk> the new portal shouldn't need any special support on the C++ side of things, I think
18:42:40 <gammafunk> holy crap
18:42:47 <gammafunk> player minotaurs have map rot resistance?
18:43:02 <gammafunk> TIL
18:43:31 <gammafunk> in labs only, that is
18:49:49 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  could merge it into some other file
18:49:58 <|amethyst> then literally ifdef it out
18:50:00 <gammafunk> ah, good thinking
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18:52:00 <switch__> the changes i'm making right now will probably never even see a commit
18:52:00 <switch__> but
18:52:11 <switch__> the person that left "life protection" everywhere
18:52:28 <switch__> instead of negative energy
18:52:28 <switch__> are they still here?
18:58:02 <advil> well, it used to be called that
18:58:09 <advil> there was a ring of life protection, etc
18:58:18 <advil> so don't be too hard on them
18:58:23 <advil> ??life protection
18:58:24 <Sequell> life protection[1/1]: Resistance to draining attacks, shown on artifact inscriptions as rN+. Three levels makes you completely immune. As in, it turns shadow dragons into mostly harmless kittens. Also gives partial resistance to torment (5% per level, so at rN+++, torment will make you lose 35% hp, instead of 50%).
18:59:13 <advil> it looks like it was mostly removed from player-facing flavor by 0.16 or so
19:02:08 <switch__> these player_<resistance function>s
19:02:18 <switch__> are these just relics?
19:04:18 <switch__> the ideal would be to use the inhereted functions, right?
19:10:47 <advil> just looking at one (poison), they're not relics as a practical matter because the player:: versions are not used very much, and are only there for the rare times where e.g. actor::res_poison is called
19:11:13 <switch__> the fire one is called directly quite a bit
19:11:33 <advil> I think the answer to your question from my perspective is something like, if I were designing all this from scratch I would absolutely not do it that way
19:12:00 <advil> that way = the way that it currently is
19:12:16 <switch__> well, the question is more like
19:12:18 <switch__> how should I do it
19:12:20 <switch__> lol
19:12:40 <switch__> probably the derived classes, right?
19:12:51 <advil> are you asking if you should reorganize them?
19:13:07 <switch__> no, i'm asking HOW I should reorganize them
19:15:03 <advil> ok, if you are organizing them, use the class based ones
19:15:37 <switch__> heh, the player::res_fire() literally just exists, it isn't used anywhere
19:15:42 <switch__> it seems like someone went and made all these classes
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19:15:45 <switch__> but didn't actually implement them
19:15:55 <switch__> err, functions, not classes
19:16:02 <advil> I've done many tedious cleanup projects in crawl, and personally wouldn't choose that one, fwiw
19:16:43 <switch__> well, this part of the code doesn't feel foreign to me
19:17:16 <switch__> plus i like doing stuff that other people don't ._.
19:22:56 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-398-g8eab93fbe2 (34)
19:24:54 -!- Bloaxzorro was kicked from ##crawl-dev by MarvinPA_ [Bloaxzorro]
19:30:40 <switch__> gottem
19:31:28 <switch__> https://i.imgur.com/o0ZMVML.png advil i've run into this problem like 4 times now
19:31:43 <switch__> i'm pretty sure there's a gap in my knowledge of how computers work
19:32:07 <advil> does actor actually have that function?
19:32:36 <switch__> ah, okay
19:32:40 <switch__> so that's the problem?
19:32:56 <advil> well, you can't override something that's not there :)
19:33:09 <switch__> so the monster and actor functions don't have any of the variables passed to them
19:33:22 <advil> ah, yes, that's another issue
19:33:30 <switch__> oh boy
19:33:33 <switch__> i see why this is how it is now
19:33:34 <advil> that monster / player resists don't necessarily work identically
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20:35:20 <ebering> switch__: in general its strongly preferred to post pastebins or links to line numbers in the github repo over pictures of text
20:35:40 <switch__> referring to what?
20:37:03 <ebering> switch__: all of the imgur links you've sent today with pictures of the text of crawlcode
20:37:52 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
20:38:20 <switch__> oh, i see. i did do that, didn't i.
20:38:20 <switch__> noted
20:38:36 <switch__> though in at least one of those cases the code was modified, so it wouldn't have done much good
20:39:18 <ebering> in that case use a paste service like github's gist
20:40:19 <ebering> I have remarkably poor eyesight, being able to set the font size is very helpful to me
21:13:56 <switch__> what do you think about implementing a parameter object?
21:14:04 <switch__> or rather, what would be the least ugly way to do it
21:16:10 <advil> a parameter object?
21:16:40 <switch__> right. instead of having calc_unid, temp, items, spells (in one case), transformations, etc.
21:16:43 <switch__> have a single object
21:16:55 <switch__> that has all that information
21:17:57 <switch__> sorry, to be more clear, rather than have a bunch of boolean parameters of questionble origin and consistency, have an object
21:19:06 <amalloy> switch__: a parameter object is fine if there are a lot of functions taking the same parameters, or something like that. it doesn't really help the box-of-bools problem though imo
21:19:29 <advil> we have some things like that for certain cases, but if you mean something general, I'm not sure that would be better
21:19:38 <switch__> practically everything that implements player functions takes some random assortment of the same paramewters
21:19:39 <|amethyst> an enum for each particular yes/no question wouldn't be terrible
21:19:57 <amalloy> i prefer to split up such cases into separate functions, or define a new enum
21:20:14 <switch__> i don't, it's unnecessarily complicated to split it up
21:20:20 <switch__> and difficult to read
21:20:40 <|amethyst> e.g. for the "temp"(orary effects) parameter of various monster and player queries
21:20:43 <switch__> "temp" is the biggest reason to do it, actually
21:20:53 <switch__> because "temp" is actually spells, transformations, potions, gods, etc.
21:21:03 <switch__> and we can't just put 10 more booleans in each function
21:21:09 <switch__> or at least nobody has been able to convince you to thus far
21:21:22 <switch__> and if it was up to me i wouldn't do it that way either
21:21:55 <amalloy> a parameter object with 10 more booleans is no better
21:22:12 <switch__> it's infinitely better
21:22:16 <amalloy> or, well, not a lot better
21:22:34 <switch__> it doesn't shit up each function, while allowing you to actually customize each call properly
21:22:54 <advil> is this being driven by some specific need?
21:23:36 <switch__> it's been part of almost every problem i've looked at thus far
21:23:45 <switch__> and is a problem in the one i'm looking at now
21:24:12 <advil> I'm still not exactly sure what "it" is :)
21:24:43 <switch__> boolean parameters moving between functions with questionable consistency and origin
21:25:20 <advil> I think it might be better to focus on a specific problem
21:26:07 <switch__> i could give you a number of them that it would solve
21:26:16 <advil> ok, like what?
21:26:33 <switch__> uselessness for rings of poison resistance being affected by potions
21:27:11 <switch__> i could actually literally make a list, it really wouldn't be that hard
21:27:14 <switch__> but it's dinner time, brb
21:27:17 <switch__> seriously, it's a good idea
21:27:37 <advil> you haven't very clearly explained either the idea or the problem :)
21:40:13 <advil> the bug with rpois appears to just be that one of the temp parameters is inverted
21:40:57 <advil> and rcorr just doesn't have a temp parameter
21:42:36 <advil> though I'm not entirely sure I think it's a bug for item graying to be based on temporary changes?
21:42:41 <switch__> the problem that's arisen from the incremental improvement on the codebase is that you have a bunch of functions that do similiar things in different ways
21:42:55 <switch__> well, you'd never want to throw away your rpois ring just because you quaffed a resistance potion
21:43:04 <switch__> or not pick one up if you came across one
21:43:06 <advil> you might want to take it off though
21:43:19 <advil> in lichform you definitely would
21:43:48 <switch__> sure, but that's not one of the cases
21:44:05 <switch__> there are no affects on already equipped items, only items on the ground
21:44:08 <switch__> effects*
21:44:28 <advil> the gray color shows in your inventory
21:44:53 <switch__> but the problem isn't even that there's something wrong with the function, it's that the function has no way to tell the difference between a potion of resistance and gargoyle
21:45:03 <switch__> because parameters have been passed to these functions as they've been needed to
21:47:22 <advil> all of the poison related functions have a temp parameter, and player_res_poison already correctly respects resistance pot as a temporary effect
21:48:11 <switch__> sure, but it also considers mutations temporary effects
21:49:28 <switch__> which... they are, but the limit of the implementation is clearly being shown here
21:49:48 <advil> I think you're misunderstanding what the get_mutation_call does; the bool arg there is about forms
21:50:23 <switch__> what?
21:50:46 <advil> mutations aren't treated as temporary unless they come from a form
21:50:55 <advil> or are suppressed by a form
21:51:22 <switch__> oh, you're right
21:51:25 <switch__> wait so why is this a bug
21:51:38 <switch__> is it being called with temp set to true?
22:21:13 <advil> I think it ends up being because `item_prefix` (which is what is used to determine color in my testing in InvEntry::highlight_colour) has a default temp argugment of true
22:21:44 <advil> for whatever reason KnownEntry::highlight_colour isn't being used
22:22:06 <advil> !source invent.h:138
22:22:07 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/invent.h#L138
22:23:21 <advil> that's the call
22:25:07 <advil> I'm guessing it has this default so that things like potions show up as useless relative to forms
22:34:44 <advil> ground color is done somewhere else though
22:37:06 <advil> same issue, though, it still uses `item_prefix` for ground colors
22:37:13 <advil> !source menu_colour_item_name
22:37:14 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/item-name.cc#L3928
22:37:49 <advil> and the default temp parameter there is true
22:38:39 <advil> anyways, I'm still not really convinced that it is a problem to show things as temporarily useless, and it seems like what you'd want for some kinds of items
22:38:45 <advil> e.g. potions
22:39:19 <advil> maybe ground colour should be non-temp, inventory colour should be temp, but then that's a bit confusing
22:40:38 <switch__> that sounds like it would work
22:40:41 <switch__> but yes, that is confusing
22:42:23 <switch__> i think it's safer to assume that the player knows what's going on with themselves, temporarily
22:42:29 <switch__> and that they can make decisions based on that
22:42:41 <switch__> i.e. it's probably better not to recolor based on it
22:43:26 <switch__> but honestly that's something that, ideally, could be left up to the player
22:43:31 <switch__> in an options menu, for example
22:43:40 <switch__> the one that doesn't exist
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