00:01:00 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.23-a0-126-g19e28b4 (34)
00:41:09 <Cheibriados> Amulet of acrobat slows down resting by half or so 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11638 by Griselidis
01:26:56 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-126-g19e28b4 (34)
02:58:05 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.23-a0-126-g19e28b4
03:12:25 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.23-a0-126-g19e28b4 (34)
03:32:27 <gammafunk> =nemelex DDVM
03:32:29 <Sequell> Defined keyword: nchoice => VpFE|BaEn|CeIE|DDCj|HaAE|KoVM|CeEE|BaFE|DrAM|TeWr|SpSu|DEAK|BaNe|DgEn|MuWr|FoTM|GnAK|MfEE|HuAE|DEHu|GnCK|VSSu|HaCj|OpAM|OgVM|FoWz|HOEn|SpIE|GhEn|DESk|VSFE|OgCj|DDWz|GnAs|GhAM|SpNe|TeAK|MfNe|HaSu|VSEE|DDVM
05:54:39 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
09:07:44 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.23-a0-127-ga8cb661: Notify player before forgetting a non-library spell (RoGGa) 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a8cb661cfcab
10:00:47 <Eksell> removed (L27 DDVM) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2333 failed. (Zot:2)
10:07:28 <advil> !crashlog
10:07:39 <Sequell> 20026. removed, XL27 DDVM, T:60126 (milestone): https://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/removed/crash-removed-20180826-140027.txt
10:09:08 <advil> hmm, that looks like an autofight crash of some kind
10:09:54 <advil> !crashlog jboons
10:09:55 <Sequell> 7. jboons, XL17 DsAK, T:50892 (milestone): https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/morgue/jboons/crash-jboons-20180826-032030.txt
10:10:27 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-127-ga8cb661cfc (34)
13:06:51 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.23-a0-127-ga8cb661 (34)
13:55:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
15:07:08 <gammafunk> advil: don't know if you saw, but Sequell is back in ##crawl; I emailed snark and he eventually responded that he was able modify Sequell to join channels only after auth finished
15:16:23 <Cheibriados> Feature Request-make duplicates in Shops cheaper 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11639 by RoGGa
15:17:20 <advil> yeah I saw, good news
15:21:39 <Cheibriados> Character creation screens have colour selection issues 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11640 by RoGGa
15:24:17 <gammafunk> Napkin: Do you think you'll be able to add 0.22 to CDO this weekend or in the next couple days?
15:25:07 <gammafunk> |amethyst: I'm not sure if johnstein has access/know-how to add 0.22 servers to CAO scoring, but all servers aside from CDO are ready, if you have time to add them
16:30:03 <Cheibriados> when using X[ or X] to view a different level, the Place in upper right does not change as it does on WebTiles 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11641 by RoGGa
16:36:48 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.23-a0-128-g2d122dd: Remove the trunk reminder for the 0.22 tournament 10(60 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2d122ddfbf79
17:10:05 <Yermak> aidanh, has anyone else complained on inventory cycling? PgDn and spacebar used to stop at the end of inventory, now it just cycles to the top.
17:10:22 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-128-g2d122ddfbf (34)
17:18:31 <advil> Yermak I made it stop
17:18:42 <advil> is that a behavior you'd actually want?
17:19:10 <advil> oh wait
17:19:10 <advil> no, I misread
17:19:20 <advil> and now I'm confused, because it used to cycle, and now doesn't (or isn't supposed to)
17:20:59 <advil> Yermak: where are you seeing it cycle?
17:25:27 <Yermak> I saw it during the tourney, can't confirm if it's happening now.
17:25:44 <Yermak> If it stops now, then thank you!
17:26:25 <advil> yes, it should never cycle any more
17:26:31 <advil> were you in console?
17:26:47 <advil> I'm not remembering which one you play, sorry
17:26:52 <Yermak> tiles
17:28:24 <advil> oh, hm, that might be something else, I don't think webtiles has every intentionally done that (though maybe it mimicked console at some point)
17:28:39 <advil> *has ever
17:29:44 <Cheibriados> two mini-map issues on local Tiles (Win10 laptop 1366x768) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11642 by RoGGa
17:29:44 <geekosaur> it used to cycle
17:32:22 -!- aidanh_ is now known as aidanh
17:41:43 <Pinkbeast> If I opened an issue in Mantis in error, how can I close it, please? I feel like I'm missing some obvious bit of the interface.
17:43:59 <Pinkbeast> I'm thinking of 11614 where yes, I just failed to notice something and it's not a bug at all
17:47:03 <geekosaur> I don't think we ordinary users have permission to do so
17:48:08 <geekosaur> just add a note saying you found it wasn't a bug (e.g. https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=11261 which likewise is waiting for someone to do something, although I think it might be pending Wu lunge rethinking)
18:21:10 <johnstein> gammafunk, I don't know how to do CAO scoring stuff. I think |amethyst gave me a short synopsis, but I've never tried
18:21:31 <gammafunk> ok, I'll ask |amethyst about it when he's around
18:21:39 <johnstein> gammafunk, I'll pull the tourney stats and send you a link to the plots in the next couple days. ideally tonight
18:21:40 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.23-a0-128-g2d122ddfbf (34)
18:21:52 <gammafunk> cool, thanks
18:32:02 <johnstein> crud
18:32:04 <johnstein> I can't PM sequell since my username isn't logged into freenode and I've forgotten my password
18:32:06 <johnstein> I suppose I'll have to finally address that
18:41:03 <johnstein> oh. neat there's a SENDPASS command. that was easy
18:52:45 <Cheibriados> New branch created: ghost_fixes (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/ghost_fixes
18:52:45 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[ghost_fixes] * 0.23-a0-128-gcd4ba10: Improve handling of upgrading bones files for online games 10(5 minutes ago, 5 files, 301+ 103-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cd4ba10ca1fa
18:56:29 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.23-a0-129-g3b8b078: Spawn jellies when TRJ dies to grand finale (Doesnt) 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 10+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b8b0789e70f
18:56:29 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.23-a0-130-g0e7800e: checkwhite 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0e7800ee0569
19:00:50 <advil> haha I knew there was a reason I committed that to a branch to start
19:02:19 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[ghost_fixes] * 0.23-a0-129-ge3ff984: Remove a debugging change 10(39 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e3ff984f530b
19:05:59 <gammafunk> makes you wish there were an easy to add compile time options for stuff like that
19:06:32 <gammafunk> I often have to change the ghost chance when testing Vaults ghost rooms and I have to be extra sure not to commit the ghost chance being 100%
19:10:18 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.23-a0-130-g0e7800ee05 (34)
19:12:39 <geekosaur> or not even compile time. -dbg-vault-chance=vaultname=chance ?
19:13:23 <geekosaur> (or : instead of =, whatever)
19:14:38 <geekosaur> using that option probably sets wizmode flag on the game
19:14:49 <gammafunk> yeah I guess those really should be runtime
19:20:16 <travis-ci> The build failed. (ghost_fixes - cd4ba10 #10200 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/420884381
19:21:45 <advil> what on earth
19:21:51 <advil> `major` is a macro in gcc??
19:22:28 <advil> or on linux in general?
19:24:25 <advil> 'major'
19:24:25 <advil> #define major(dev) gnu_dev_major (dev)
19:24:30 <advil> wtf
19:26:23 <geekosaur> yes. unix historical cruft
19:26:46 <geekosaur> extract major and minor device numbers from a dev_t
19:26:50 <advil> any advice about what to do, besides not use `major` as a member variable?
19:27:18 <|amethyst> use major{foo} rather than major(foo) to initialize it?
19:27:24 <geekosaur> that, basically. I think forcing strict xopen compat might also undefine them, but will have other effects
19:28:10 <|amethyst> or you could #undef them
19:28:21 <|amethyst> (I think on BSD as well they're macros, not functions)
19:28:44 <advil> it looks like whether they're present on BSD is version specific?
19:29:04 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  not sure I'll have time to do that for a while, but I'll see if I can later this week
19:29:04 <advil> os x definitely doesn't have them
19:29:28 <geekosaur> yes; darwin is different
19:46:20 <gammafunk> |amethyst: thanks
19:47:45 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[ghost_fixes] * 0.23-a0-130-ga4f5bf6: Improve the new save version api a bit and use it more 10(58 seconds ago, 2 files, 44+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a4f5bf6de476
20:53:58 <travis-ci> The build was fixed. (ghost_fixes - a4f5bf6 #10203 : advil): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/420894175
21:06:57 <johnstein> is there a theory on why the winrate is higher this time?
21:07:48 <johnstein> !tstats 1.7 t0.21
21:07:48 <johnstein> !tstats 1.7 t0.22
21:08:08 <Sequell> Stats after 1.7 days (t0.21): 1184 players, 347 runers, 180 winners, 281 wins, 9007 games, winrate 3.12%, total player time 180d+4:15:29.
21:08:17 <Sequell> Stats after 1.7 days (t0.22): 1152 players, 340 runers, 198 winners, 312 wins, 8314 games, winrate 3.75%, total player time 174d+9:51:14.
21:08:20 <johnstein> !tstats 16 t0.21
21:08:22 <johnstein> !tstats 16 t0.22
21:08:31 <johnstein> !gkills
21:08:32 <Sequell> 8 kills by johnstein's ghost: DavidMAK, LogicNinja, gw, Scotch, Phlounder, staplegun, TittyCrusher, wafflepants
21:09:06 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t0.21): 3153 players, 1142 runers, 594 winners, 1877 wins, 77870 games, winrate 2.41%, total player time 4y+260d+3:30:14.
21:09:10 <johnstein> !gamesby * cv=0.21
21:09:12 <Sequell> * (cv=0.21) has played 429540 games, between 2018-01-03 07:30:16 and 2018-08-27 00:37:25, won 3783 (0.9%), high score 88228213, total score 22505843255, total turns 2526765326, play-time/day 31d+17:16:44, total time 20y+217d+15:07:36.
21:09:21 <johnstein> !gamesby * cv=0.22
21:09:22 <Sequell> * (cv=0.22) has played 73450 games, between 2018-08-03 08:55:27 and 2018-08-27 01:09:03, won 1861 (2.5%), high score 55646506, total score 9828035401, total turns 640224628, play-time/day 66d+10:49:38, total time 4y+201d+6:41:00.
21:09:28 <johnstein> !gamesby * cv=0.20
21:09:30 <Sequell> * (cv=0.20) has played 382661 games, between 2017-05-18 15:21:40 and 2018-08-25 23:01:56, won 3631 (0.9%), high score 55609995, total score 22381149165, total turns 2393168943, play-time/day 15d+1:56:25, total time 19y+77d+14:20:16.
21:09:31 <Sequell> Stats after 16 days (t0.22): 3130 players, 1164 runers, 629 winners, 2146 wins, 76126 games, winrate 2.82%, total player time 4y+289d+12:09:17.
21:09:33 <johnstein> !gamesby * cv=0.19
21:09:35 <Sequell> * (cv=0.19) has played 375521 games, between 2016-10-27 11:57:47 and 2018-08-26 02:04:05, won 3036 (0.8%), high score 53562030, total score 22381495362, total turns 2183891690, play-time/day 9d+18:44:34, total time 17y+338d+10:56:53.
21:09:42 <johnstein> !gamesby * cv=0.18
21:09:44 <Sequell> * (cv=0.18) has played 314514 games, between 2016-04-27 13:34:06 and 2018-08-26 21:52:34, won 2647 (0.8%), high score 56629257, total score 18134183547, total turns 1825824536, play-time/day 6d+14:59:06, total time 15y+168d+23:13:35.
21:09:44 <johnstein> !gamesby * cv=0.17
21:09:45 <Sequell> * (cv=0.17) has played 326485 games, between 2015-10-30 09:54:43 and 2018-08-26 20:31:39, won 2889 (0.9%), high score 80214242, total score 20586741876, total turns 1937939179, play-time/day 5d+20:39:40, total time 16y+208d+10:22:14.
21:10:05 <johnstein> only experienced players playing?
21:10:23 <johnstein> even 0.22 is a LOT higher than 0.21 but probably skewed based on most games from tourney
21:10:59 <johnstein> probably would be fairer to limit !gamesby * cv=0.21 to rend of right after tourney but I don't know how to find that quick
21:13:53 <Rast2> johnstein, yeah that's my theory
21:16:49 <rchandra> no CJR admin types around, are there?
21:17:52 <gammafunk> rchandra: you'd need to email him
21:18:25 <gammafunk> rchandra: there's jorgrunrocks@gmail.com listed on the home page, not sure if he checks that, but hopefully he does
21:18:41 <gammafunk> rchandra: what's your issues, btw?
21:18:45 <gammafunk> *issue
21:18:46 <rchandra> oh gammafunk, I remember you telling me some odd thing one needs to do on CJR sometimes.  do you remember it?
21:19:01 <rchandra> my trunk game hasn't worked for ages, wouldn't mind having it deleted if needed
21:19:08 <rchandra> in either tiles or console
21:19:15 <rchandra> !lm . cjr trunk x=killer
21:19:16 <Sequell> No milestones for rchandra (cjr trunk).
21:19:18 <gammafunk> when you try to resume it exits out?
21:19:31 <gammafunk> if it doesn't work in tiles that's unusual
21:19:33 <rchandra> !lm . cjr !t
21:19:33 <Sequell> 4342. [2018-08-10 03:18:02] rchandra the Firebug (L1 TrFE) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1)
21:19:53 <gammafunk> what happens when you try to resume in tiles?
21:19:58 <rchandra> one sec
21:20:16 <rchandra> oh now it's asking me to update, that's a new sign
21:20:45 <rchandra> hmm this isn't my game, but I don't even remember what it was so whatever
21:22:26 <rchandra> oh right and in console I can resume it through (T)utorial, that was the odd thing I was trying to rememebr
21:25:13 <rchandra> I don't rememebr how to start a game though
21:30:56 <rchandra> I'll email him anyway, there's also the mis-aimed menus etc. (0.19 goes to 0.19, 0.20 to 0.21, 0.21 to 0.22, 0.22 to nowhere, nowhere to 0.20)
21:50:29 <rchandra> !tell johnstein "Trunk games don't count for the tournament, you want 0.22. Play trunk anyway? (Y" is still on :)
21:50:30 <Sequell> rchandra: OK, I'll let johnstein know.
22:01:27 <alexjurkiewicz> that's a dev issue -- someone needs to disable the tournament reminder
22:06:20 <advil> it's already disabled, just waiting for servers to update
22:07:00 <gammafunk> yes, that commit is already in trunk
22:07:21 <gammafunk> advil: what do you think we should do about the ##crawl info? We probably shouldn't just leave that thread stickied forever
22:07:33 <gammafunk> since it seems like we might have that +r on the channel for the time being
22:07:55 <gammafunk> maybe something in the sidebar
22:07:58 <advil> yeah, if this is the new normal then it should probably just go on the cdo website somewhere
22:08:04 <advil> ah, and on the sidebar probably
22:08:17 <advil> I don't know what's the current state of the spambots though
22:08:19 <gammafunk> right, I can update the wordpress/website
22:08:27 <gammafunk> well, we can always try to disable it again!
22:08:38 <gammafunk> I guess it'll be more dickbirds or no dickbirds
22:10:07 <Lightli> ??wordpress
22:10:08 <Sequell> wordpress[1/1]: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/
22:10:33 <advil> johnstein: I think that most of the change in winrate is due to the ghost changes
22:10:38 <advil> !lg * !won t0.21 / ckiller=a_player_ghost
22:10:40 <advil> !lg * !won t0.22 / ckiller=a_player_ghost
22:10:42 <Sequell> 3244/81828 games for * (!won t0.21): N=3244/81828 (3.96%)
22:10:44 <Sequell> 404/79214 games for * (!won t0.22): N=404/79214 (0.51%)
22:11:55 <advil> of course it's hard to be sure of that because one can only look at deathrates
22:54:20 <Lightli> heh went back 5 years into the ##crawl-dev logs and clicked one at random and it was the one where gammafunk was asking for help on how to implement jump attacks
22:55:27 <gammafunk> good times
22:55:39 <gammafunk> there was this code guru in ##crawl-dev that I remember
22:55:49 <gammafunk> seemed to know the answer to everything pretty fast, his name was |amethyst iirc
23:15:22 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07[ghost_fixes] * 0.23-a0-131-g54dd721: Support for distributing bones permastore files in dat/ 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 54+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/54dd72119eb6
23:31:28 <johnstein> advil: yea that was my leading theory but I didn't know how to confirm it
23:31:28 <Sequell> johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
23:32:59 <advil> yeah, the queries I posted are suggestive but don't really confirm it, it could well be that the ~3500 extra t0.21 games that died to a ghost were hopeless for other reasons