01:20:23 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-76-gd698a02 (34)
02:00:21 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-76-gd698a02
02:53:50 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.22-a0-76-gd698a02
03:11:36 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.22-a0-76-gd698a02 (34)
03:35:30 <Lantell> Conn321 (L7 OpFE) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 2891 failed. (D (Sprint))
03:41:46 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
06:37:14 -!- Euph0ria is now known as EuphOria
06:38:02 -!- EuphOria is now known as Euph0ria
07:56:34 <TZer0> !messages
07:56:34 <Sequell> No messages for TZer0.
08:46:40 <dpeg> !seen lasty
08:46:40 <Sequell> I last saw Lasty at Sat Jan 13 12:37:27 2018 UTC (1h 8m 57s ago) joining the channel.
08:47:35 <Lasty> hey dpeg
08:47:40 <Lasty> how's it going?
08:54:02 <dpeg> Lasty: life is good, but I cannot get more than one rune anymore
08:54:06 <dpeg> <-- totally sucks :)
08:54:15 <Lasty> haha, dang!
08:54:28 <dpeg> Uskayaw, on the other hand, is a beauty!
08:54:34 <Lasty> You were probably too reliant on using pizza to save yourself :D
08:54:38 <dpeg> haha
08:54:58 <dpeg> the emergency pizza smart bomb: why are devs always ruining everything?
08:55:21 <Lasty> we have to make more room for pizza tornado design space
08:55:33 <dpeg> tbh, I felt a little sad when book burning got cut... I know why it happened, but I liked the flavour so much
08:55:48 * dpeg tosses some random books into the stove
08:55:56 <Lasty> wait, it got cut? I swear I used it earlier this tourney
08:56:15 <Lasty> !lg lasty be -log
08:56:16 <Sequell> 31. Lasty, XL1 MuBe, T:31: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Lasty/morgue-Lasty-20171216-001027.txt
08:56:19 <dpeg> there was a commit message to that effect, perhaps a 0.21 vs trunk thing?
08:56:45 <dpeg> anyway, onwards to the next one rune death: FoSu :)
08:56:56 <Lasty> oh, it's probably my in-progress mube that I started a couple weeks back
08:57:15 <dpeg> Lasty: you'll keep pinging me when/if you make it to the Reicchshauptstadt again?
08:57:28 <Lasty> Of course! I wouldn't miss a chance to meet up.
08:57:38 <dpeg> (this goes for anyone in this channel: if you go to Berlin, any time, any year, and you feel like having a chat, send me a mail)
08:57:50 <Lasty> I switched teams at work, and so I'm going to be going less often, but i'll still be going
08:58:11 <dpeg> sounds great
08:58:30 <dpeg> Lasty: my daughter (10 years) is hell bent on playing Innovation, we play several times a week <3
08:58:43 <Lasty> it is! my new team is way more pleasant than my old one. :D
08:58:58 <Lasty> lol, fabulous! i like innovation a lot
08:59:17 <dpeg> she's asking when we "finally add the green expansion", lol
09:00:14 <Lasty> haha, I still haven't played any expansions but one  of y new team members was just telling me about them. He's a huge Innovation fan.
09:00:28 <Lasty> I'm trying to get him to expand his tastes a bit -- I think he'd really enjoy Race for the Galaxy
09:00:45 <|amethyst> dpeg:  the book burning thing isn't even in trunk yet: it's in the 'goldify-books' branch
09:00:45 <Sequell> |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
09:00:47 <dpeg> Echos and Cities are good to use early on. Figures and Artefacts: wait until later. Much later.
09:01:05 <dpeg> |amethyst: ah, right! I would've commented if I had an idea how to preserve the flavour.
09:01:17 <dpeg> |amethyst: what about Trog simply burns books on sight?
09:01:19 <|amethyst> dpeg:  I kind of like the idea of burning scrolls instead
09:01:26 <Lasty> Last time I saw your kids, Hanabi was the game de jour -- is that still popular? Have they been picking up others?
09:01:33 <dpeg> |amethyst: hm burn is burn, good point
09:01:54 <|amethyst> dpeg:  burning books on sight might lead to weird play in some cases
09:02:04 <|amethyst> dpeg:  if you are thinking about switching from trog at some point
09:02:33 <Lasty> arguably burn scrolls is 1) a bit of the problem of fulsome distillation -- adding value to valueless objects to make you carry them around and 2) a bit of a trog buff
09:02:33 <dpeg> |amethyst: well, you have to build piles from scratch, but we have Ru...
09:02:33 <|amethyst> dpeg:  burning scrolls might be too powerful, since there are a lot more scrolls
09:02:52 <|amethyst> could be "burn a yellow scroll"
09:03:16 <|amethyst> or burn a strategic scroll
09:03:25 <dpeg> burn books on sight = bookless conduct under Trog
09:03:27 <|amethyst> (enchant/brand/acq)
09:04:02 <Lasty> Burn scrolls on sight -- now there's a trog nerf. :D
09:04:20 <dpeg> I think that's not so bad: if you stick with Trog, it's no difference. If you abandon Trog later on, you have to collect books from scratch. If you left loot areas for that purpose, it is okay. If you convert to Trog (a rare occasion, I think), then you have to go in by having all books lost.
09:04:57 <dpeg> and having a strategic cost on a god is not new: Ru
09:05:15 <|amethyst> I was worried about leaving loot areas, but I guess that's not so terrible since you're leaving behind useful items too
09:05:28 <|amethyst> there are a few weird cases
09:05:29 <Lasty> I think |amethyst isn't arguing against the strategic cost, but rather around creating odd behavior to avoid the strategic cost
09:05:31 <dpeg> |amethyst: yes, that's the tradeoff, so there's hopefully a little chocie involved.
09:05:38 <Lasty> but yeah, I'm not too worried about it
09:05:41 * dpeg would pay $$$ to keep book burning in the game!
09:05:44 <|amethyst> e.g. you might want to throw an item at Roxanne's feet
09:05:48 <|amethyst> before killing her
09:05:50 <Lasty> I'll go start a GoFundMe
09:05:59 <|amethyst> though I guess the book would probably end on top of the pile anyway?
09:06:08 <Lasty> |amethyst: we could burn books even when books aren't the top of a pile
09:06:15 <Lasty> just because the player doesn't know doesn't mean Trog doesn't
09:06:20 <|amethyst> hm
09:06:25 <dpeg> Lasty: yes, that what I have in mind when I say "bookless conduct".
09:06:32 <|amethyst> could burn them on entry to the level even
09:06:33 <dpeg> The burnination is just the flavour to carry it out.
09:06:43 <|amethyst> but then you don't see the burning I guess :)
09:06:51 <Lasty> |amethyst: the one thing I don't like about burn-on-level-entry is there's very little flavor
09:06:53 <Lasty> exactly
09:06:54 <dpeg> |amethyst: which is very important!
09:07:18 <|amethyst> my other concern, if it's real fire, would be luring monsters towards loot vaults
09:07:19 <dpeg> Important rule: if it doesn't burn, it's not a book.
09:07:26 <Lasty> lol
09:07:50 <Lasty> Do Kindles burn? It's kind of right there in the name...
09:07:50 <|amethyst> but I guess that would be kind of hard to do
09:07:50 <dpeg> haha
09:07:54 <|amethyst> Trog Kindles a Fire!
09:08:04 <dpeg> |amethyst: that sounds like a plan which feels clever then kills you
09:08:11 <dpeg> (something I am prone to die to :)
09:08:22 <Lasty> haha
09:08:28 <|amethyst> hm
09:08:39 <|amethyst> I also like that auto-burning is a tactical nerf to Trog
09:08:40 <dpeg> |amethyst: anyway, thanks for talking this through!
09:08:52 <Lasty> yeah
09:08:53 <|amethyst> since you no longer have super-conjure flame
09:09:10 <Lasty> trog's red drac breath book toss
09:09:13 <dpeg> btw, when I suggested book burning, I did not have the grenades in mind. I didn't know that books fly in Crawl. I just thought of dropping them and setting them alight.
09:09:30 <Lasty> mines instead of grenades?
09:09:37 <dpeg> Lasty: yes, which is tactically harder
09:09:59 <Lasty> true, tho only very slightly -- monsters are pretty predictable
09:10:06 <dpeg> yeah
09:10:29 <dpeg> btw, the new interface bits are *excellent*
09:11:41 <Lasty> oh hey, as long as we're talking design of things, I had a new thought for an amulet: acrobat's amulet -- attunes like Regen, when active gives +12 EV when your last action was a move action.
09:11:55 <Lasty> which is to say the buff only apply during movement
09:12:49 <dpeg> Lasty: clever
09:13:08 <|amethyst> Lasty:  attunes to what?
09:13:08 <|amethyst> Lasty:  HP?
09:13:08 <Lasty> |amethyst: hp
09:13:13 <dpeg> could also go on a scarf
09:13:19 <Lasty> ah, true
09:13:24 <|amethyst> acrobat's cape
09:13:38 <|amethyst> which is a scarf mechanically, but maybe more flavourful?
09:13:54 <dpeg> yeah, sounds like a fun unrandart
09:14:23 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
09:15:30 <Lasty> I had pitched Brannock on some scarf unrands
09:16:14 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
09:16:21 <Lasty> Gozag's White Collar -- when you take damage, there's a chance it's subtracted from gold instead.
09:16:25 <|amethyst> I know it's too weak to work, but making gourmand a scarf would be a great pun
09:16:40 <dpeg> I say Mikee commenting on ##crawl yesterday, to "replace the scarf by a real cloak"
09:16:49 <dpeg> are scarves considered too weak?
09:16:57 <|amethyst> I mean gourmand is too weak
09:17:05 <Lasty> well, gourmand is also too weak to be an amulet
09:17:09 <dpeg> yeah
09:17:35 <dpeg> but what about the effect becoming |energy instead?
09:17:43 <Lasty> I know gammafunk kind of liked it existing, but I'm not sold
09:18:02 <Lasty> dpeg: I'd be fine with that -- maybe remove |energy, move that effect onto amulet of MP Regen and rename it?
09:18:31 <dpeg> yes, something like that
09:18:44 <dpeg> the staff feels lackluster, but the effect could be good for something
09:18:47 <Lasty> yeah
09:18:49 <Lasty> I never use the staff
09:19:01 <Lasty> or the amulet if I have another non-inacc amulet
09:20:35 <dpeg> exactly
09:20:46 <Lasty> I suppose now that Brannock isn't around much I can start really messing with scarves . . .
09:21:07 <Lasty> I didn't want to step on his work while it was in progress
09:23:00 <dpeg> Lasty: re games: Hanabi, Tichu (try it!), Go, now Innovation... looks a bit nerdy now that I read it :)
09:23:43 <Lasty> dpeg: haha, I know someone with Tichu but haven't had a chance to try it yet still
09:24:11 <dpeg> Lasty: it is the best 4 player card game I know of (and I know Bridge, of course)
09:24:23 <dpeg> simple rules, so much depth
09:24:57 <Lasty> Wait, is Tichu one of the commercial variants on Presidents/Dai Himin / etc.
09:25:55 <dpeg> it is a climbing game, yes
09:26:17 <dpeg> you can play it with a standard poker deck with four extra cards
09:26:45 <dpeg> it is also a team game (like Bridge) which adds a lot of depth (that's a general fact about multiplayer games)
09:27:46 <|amethyst> you people with your >2 friends to play games with :)
09:28:05 <|amethyst> guess I need to find some enemies to play games with instead
09:28:16 <dpeg> |amethyst: haha. We conceived children with the sole purpose of playing games!!
09:29:00 <|amethyst> we have cats instead, and they don't seem to be that good at board games
09:29:00 <|amethyst> I'm sure they have their own games, but those are beyond human comprehension
09:30:07 <dpeg> |amethyst: have to face it, *you* are their toys
09:30:11 <Lasty> I do like team card games, tho IMO Bridge is a bit silly.
09:30:18 <Lasty> Out for a bit, ttyl.
09:30:31 <dpeg> hopefully no English around
09:31:12 <|amethyst> my gaming friends, when it's not role-playing games, usually want to do werewolf/mafia-style games instead, and I find those more stressful than fun
09:32:19 <advil> I like Tichu a lot but I found the iconography ...problematic, so I don't really bring it out much any more
09:33:17 <dpeg> advil: yes, the design is too cheesy. I've seen a very beautiful Italian or French design.
09:34:18 <|amethyst> dpeg:  It's not the same depth of course, but have you played/heard of complex hearts?
09:34:57 <advil> dpeg: have you encountered Haggis? it's a 2-3 player climbing game
09:36:07 <advil> btw Brannock declared himself officially retired, so I think scarf changes are fair game
09:36:12 <dpeg> |amethyst: complex hearts? Only real hearts! (Stupid math joke.) Will take a look.
09:36:30 <dpeg> advil: yes, Haggis feels like Tichu when one guy is missing <3
09:36:31 <|amethyst> dpeg:  it's a bit heard to search for, but here's one rule set   http://www.sharbonline.com/fun-stuff/card-games/complex-hearts/
09:36:36 <advil> heh
09:36:38 <dpeg> |amethyst: ah, wonderful
09:37:05 <|amethyst> dpeg:  (well, those aren't the full rules, you have to know Hearts first)
09:37:46 <dpeg> btw, if you're out for interesting card games, give Durak (that's Russian for "dunderhead") a shot. It has unique rules, is short, snappy and fun.
09:37:54 <|amethyst> GAMES magazine, August 1994 is apparently the original reference
09:38:00 <dpeg> |amethyst: of course I know hearts. I am a game by heart :)
09:49:40 <aidanh> for the ^ screen, I was considering making the granted powers list a menu, similar to the spellbook UI
09:51:04 <aidanh> this would work well for abilities and could free up a lot of lines
09:52:42 <aidanh> not sure about passive abilities like trog's weapon gifting though
09:52:53 <aidanh> any thoughts?
09:57:08 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
10:09:07 <dpeg> aidanh: for reading ability descriptions?
10:09:36 <aidanh> dpeg: yup
10:10:52 <dpeg> aidanh: would we still see all abilities on ^ or would it be a second key?
10:12:08 <aidanh> ^ would look about the same; it'd just show ability descriptions when you press a, b, etc
10:13:13 <dpeg> aidanh: yes, that would be great. I have been wanting that too.
10:13:59 <advil> would be nice if the powers screen could scroll (though maybe that's obviated if the powers have individual help)
10:14:28 <aidanh> they do scroll in my branch
10:14:37 <advil> ah
10:14:58 <dpeg> one bit that keeps bothering me from time to time: should we try to distinguish piety costs? There's a *huge* difference between some of them.
10:16:38 <aidanh> if you're willing to sacrifice the descriptive nature of each granted-powers line, you could replace it with the ability name, and then there'd be space for a piety bar
10:17:36 <aidanh> well, maybe not a bar, but you'd have room for small piety, large piety, etc
10:17:37 <dpeg> aidanh: would be interesting to look at
10:18:15 <dpeg> it'd suffice to spell that out in the individual descriptions
10:20:23 <aidanh> the ability descriptions do already show hunger+piety costs
10:22:31 <dpeg> true: just looked at Ash's
10:22:49 <dpeg> only you cannot see it for unavailable abilities, right?
10:24:15 <aidanh> correct, unless you use ?/a
10:24:48 <aidanh> and then you have to guess the correct name from the one-line description
10:25:38 <dpeg> aidanh: which you can get from ?/g perhaps?
10:25:47 <dpeg> (this is not a decent solution, of coursE)
10:26:53 <aidanh> ?/g should show an identical UI to ^
10:26:54 <Sequell> No matches.
10:27:13 <aidanh> semi-related; I'd like to use a tiledgnbuf to show full renderings of wu jian's martial moves on sdl tiles
10:27:24 <aidanh> showing an ascii rendering on tiles just seems out of place
10:27:31 <dpeg> good point
10:27:53 <dpeg> I guess they make no sense for some tilists
10:29:36 <advil> !lg apoch
10:29:37 <Sequell> 1850. apoch the Skirmisher (L8 FoFi of Cheibriados), mangled by an ogre (a +0 giant spiked club) on D:4 on 2018-01-12 21:39:01, with 1008 points after 3885 turns and 0:09:02.
10:29:40 <advil> hm
10:30:05 <advil> that isn't the right milestone
10:30:29 <advil> !lm apoch
10:30:32 <Sequell> 9568. [2018-01-13 15:26:51] apoch the Spear-Bearer (L11 FoFi of Cheibriados) left the Lair of Beasts on turn 13474. (Lair:1)
10:31:02 <advil> that death milestone printed in a different channel (via a relay bot) as apoch the Spear-Bearer (L11 FoFi), worshipper of Cheibriados, slain by a yak (led by a torpor snail) on Lair:1, with 9433 points after 14394 turns and 0:31:33
10:31:13 <advil> which made me wonder how a torpor snail can lead a yak
10:31:24 <advil> !lg apoch
10:31:25 <Sequell> 1851. apoch the Spear-Bearer (L11 FoFi of Cheibriados), slain by a yak (led by a torpor snail) on Lair:1 on 2018-01-13 15:29:05, with 9433 points after 14394 turns and 0:31:33.
10:31:28 <advil> oh it's a different char
10:31:37 <advil> just sequell delayed
11:04:15 <aidanh> are mara illusions just ghosts? they don't seem to have have an ?/m entry
12:05:11 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.22-a0-76-gd698a02 (34)
12:24:35 <advil> they are basically player ghosts
12:25:02 <advil> I'm not sure if that's a reason for them not to have a ?/m entry though
12:26:47 <aidanh> because ?/m generates one entry per monster_type
12:28:30 <aidanh> well, that explains that
12:34:15 <advil> ah
12:35:12 <advil> yeah, they are the same monster_type I think
12:35:46 <advil> oh, maybe not
12:35:47 <advil> MONS_PLAYER_ILLUSION
12:45:28 <aidanh> actually, I have no idea how lookup-help generates the monster list
12:45:46 <aidanh> I thought it was _get_monster_keys(), but that's never even called
12:53:45 <Huene`> Hey folks, I was referred to here from ##crawl, are the score and morgue files generated by default on a stock installation? I can't seem to find where they are
12:54:17 <Huene`> of webtiles
12:55:04 <gammafunk> how do you mean "stock installation"? Just running webtiles from a checkout of the source?
12:55:26 <gammafunk> a dgl-based setup is the closest thing we have to a stock installation, I guess, but that's probably not what you mean
12:56:23 <Huene`> yeah checkout from source is what I meant
12:56:34 <gammafunk> by default, webtiles as run from the source/webserver dir will put a logfile in a saves subdir
12:56:55 <gammafunk> that subdir will be under the working directory from where the webtiles server is run
12:57:40 <advil> iirc Huene` is running with DGAMELAUNCH=yes but not using dgl
12:58:22 <advil> from logs it looks like build options were  make install USE_DGAMELAUNCH=y WEBTILES=y DESTDIR=/opt/dcss/?
13:00:16 <Huene`> well I am running with DGAMELAUNCH=y and if there's more to DGL than that then I am not using it I still am not clear what DGL is supposed to do, so I thought just making it with Y was all that was neccesary, the only thing I know about it is that it improves visiblity of player games on the lobby
13:01:40 <gammafunk> oh, hrm, maybe webtiles doesn't save to logfile by default
13:01:50 <gammafunk> let me see here
13:02:15 <advil> Huene`: DGAMELAUNCH is a bit misnamed, it does a bunch of things that you want on servers, but also sets things up so that dgl can be used. but dgl is a separate thing
13:02:34 <gammafunk> oh, nm, I didn't actually uit
13:02:38 <gammafunk> *quit
13:02:59 <advil> we should really rename it as SERVER and then add a separate sub-option for the dgl stuff
13:03:39 <gammafunk> so my webtiles when run from checkout does update the logfile in saves/logfile
13:03:45 <gammafunk> I don't see a milestones file though
13:05:14 <Huene`> should I be looking for a dgl crawl project or is it just something like a stock os package
13:05:32 <advil> I'm not sure you necessarily want to try to run dgl unless you're running a public server
13:05:41 <advil> from what I understand it's fairly painful to set up
13:06:30 <gammafunk> Huene`: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles is the documentation on how to set it up, but you don't need a full installation like this
13:06:32 <advil> it's mostly menus for an ssh-based server? not 100% sure what exactly it does aside from that
13:06:54 <advil> all our public servers run https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch
13:07:00 <gammafunk> that setup supports gameplay over ssh and adds some management for things like rebuilds, users doing game transfers
13:07:11 <gammafunk> and has scripts for installing game branches
13:07:36 <gammafunk> you can just run a webtiles-only server yourself and maintain the configuration file yourself without using dgl
13:08:04 <gammafunk> advil: no, all our public servers definitely don't run that
13:08:12 <gammafunk> namely cwz lld and cpo don't
13:08:14 <advil> oh
13:08:25 <advil> do they not have ssh?
13:08:37 <gammafunk> cpo used to, but no longer does
13:08:50 <gammafunk> and yeah the other two don't
13:09:23 <gammafunk> they basically all have their own setup and management using just the webtiles server without dgl at all
13:11:21 <gammafunk> interesting, this doesn't list the arguments we use for building crawl webtiles under dgl, I think because the install script does the build
13:11:48 <gammafunk> if you do use dgl, you'll also need this repo: https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config
13:12:05 <gammafunk> the cszo branch (and not master) is what people use for setting up dgl
13:12:21 <gammafunk> sorry, that's szorg
13:14:03 <gammafunk> https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/blob/szorg/crawl-build/update-crawl-trunk-build.sh#L51
13:14:43 <gammafunk> Huene`: that gives you an idea of how you would build webtiles and set all the various dest args
13:14:54 <gammafunk> for where you want your files to go
13:15:07 <gammafunk> if you use dgl this is all handled through a build script that calls that script
13:15:58 <gammafunk> you could use this setup and not run console if you wanted (just don't make the ssh user with dgl as their login)
13:30:30 <Huene`> just out of curiosity what is the install script's name, because I cloned, autogen.sh'd, gmake and it's failing complaining about an undefinied reference to yywrap, which I figured would be internal but to cover the bases, I also checked pip and the centos repos which have never heard of it. does dgl have any prereq's that crawl doesn't?
13:32:28 <geekosaur> yywrap will usually come from a support library for bison or byacc
13:32:28 <Huene`> ty
13:45:34 <Huene`> wow I'm rusty, just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out why I couldn't compile after installing the nececsary components, forgot to regenerate the makefile
13:51:18 <Huene`> now these configuration options in the chroot script seem to all reference nethack, I assume I can just change them to their crawl counterparts correct? doens't matter that it's a different game?
14:06:56 <geekosaur> hm. shouldn't neil's version have the right entries?
14:07:38 <geekosaur> https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/tree/szorg
14:22:18 <gammafunk> Huene`: yeah, see the branch in that url geekosaur just gave
14:22:51 <gammafunk> I'm not sure what you're actually configuring right now though. Are you using the dgl-based approach with the dgl scripts in that dgamelaunch-config repo?
15:03:01 <Cheibriados> 03Aidan Holm02 07* 0.22-a0-77-g0fd0111: Fix uninitialized read when handling god speech 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0fd0111e49d2
15:08:44 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan
15:12:16 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
15:41:59 <Huene`> ok awesome thanks
15:54:39 <travis-ci> The build passed. (master - 0fd0111 #9191 : Aidan Holm): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/328538729
16:09:53 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.22-a0-77-g0fd0111e49 (34)
18:18:59 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.22-a0-77-g0fd0111e49 (34)
19:20:12 <advil> !lg * recent ckiller="mirror damage"
19:20:13 <Sequell> 240. TySteely the Destroyer (L13 GrEE of Vehumet), killed by mirror damage on D:14 on 2018-01-13 03:04:56, with 30204 points after 20104 turns and 0:35:12.
19:20:25 <advil> er
19:43:55 <Lantell> Conn321 (L7 OpFE) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 2891 failed. (D (Sprint))
19:44:08 <Lantell> Conn321 (L7 OpFE) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 2891 failed. (D (Sprint))
19:50:18 <gammafunk> looks like a nice crash
19:50:37 <advil> it's happened a few times over the last few days
19:50:40 <advil> player in a door in sprint
19:51:02 <advil> I think it's the same player
19:51:38 -!- Walker_Z is now known as WalkerBoh
20:00:00 -!- FIQ is now known as rld
20:00:10 -!- rld is now known as FIQ
20:04:19 <advil> it must be something pitsprint specific, but it's not very obvious to me what
20:22:36 <|amethyst> they previously had a constriction-related crash and the game got reverted
20:23:49 <|amethyst> !crashlog Conn321 sprint -7
20:23:49 <Sequell> 5/11. Conn321, XL8 OpFE, T:724 (milestone): https://underhound.eu/crawl/morgue/Conn321/crash-Conn321-20180112-214104.txt
20:23:50 <|amethyst> !crashlog Conn321 sprint -6
20:23:51 <Sequell> 6/11. Conn321, XL7 OpFE, T:512 (milestone): https://underhound.eu/crawl/morgue/Conn321/crash-Conn321-20180113-000408.txt
20:24:07 <|amethyst> #6 is the first door crash
20:25:01 <|amethyst> I wonder if somehow the lua marker on the door reactivated when the game was reloaded?
20:25:08 <|amethyst> though that wouldn't close it I think
20:26:08 <|amethyst> but before crash #5 they had opened that door they are standing on in crashes 6-11
20:34:10 <johnstein> ^status
20:34:11 <Rotatell> 90 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=95% (135GB) | RAM usage=66% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 20:34:09 up 7 days,  1:10,  9 users,  load average: 2.23, 2.37, 2.19 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
20:34:30 <johnstein> is there a way to see how long a process has been alive for is?
20:34:51 <geekosaur> "ps -e" has an STIME field
20:35:07 <johnstein> I want to move all ttyrecs from non-currently-being-played games
20:35:09 <johnstein> I'll try that
20:35:13 <geekosaur> but that may not be very granular
20:35:21 <johnstein> I just need a safe date
20:35:44 <johnstein> for the -mtime to get a list of ttyrecs to move. can't move ones that are actively being updated
20:38:13 <geekosaur> looks to me like they should be kept open by active games, so lsof is your friend
20:39:03 <geekosaur> or fuser, from the other direction
20:39:05 <johnstein> I'm doing: ps -ef|grep Jan|grep crawl and I see a few sshd sessions for user crawler from Jan08
20:44:13 <johnstein> ah, I can just go into the inprogressdir I think
20:46:28 <johnstein> |amethyst, when we talked about ttyrecs in the past, you made it clear to me that moving a ttyrec while it was being written to would be kinda bad.  so I used to use only move the ones 30 days or older, figuring that no one would be playing them
20:46:48 <johnstein> but if all the ttyrecs are in the inprogress folder, wouldn't that mean it's safe to move ANY ttyrec?
20:47:58 <geekosaur> really, install and use fuser
20:49:46 <|amethyst> using fuser is still a race condition, but I don't know if there's a good way to do it without a race condition
20:50:32 <|amethyst> hm, not sure about the inprogress thing
20:50:42 <geekosaur> might be some inotify thing, but that would likely require a monitoring daemon
20:50:46 <|amethyst> I had forgotten about the existence of that dir when I told you that
20:51:14 <johnstein> it's ok. the fact that I need to consider deleting ttyrecs nearly constantly is a good sign of a less-than-optimally-efficient system
20:51:22 <johnstein> so this is a feature really
20:52:01 <|amethyst> but, yeah, fuser will at least tell you whether any of the things in the ttyrec dir are open for writing
20:52:06 <geekosaur> (also, on freebsd / os x, dtrace)
20:52:27 <|amethyst> which could provide evidence towards (not completely confirm) your suspicion
20:52:40 <geekosaur> hm. actually, doesn't exit / restart create a new ttyrec?
20:52:44 <geekosaur> er, save / restart
20:52:56 <geekosaur> so exists + closed should be fine
20:53:06 <johnstein> yea
20:53:28 <johnstein> but if it only writes in the ttyrec dir, then I'm pretty much safe
20:53:30 <johnstein> I think
22:07:35 <gammafunk> |amethyst: all servers now have 0.21, if you'd like to add those to CAO scoring
22:09:21 <gammafunk> at some point in the next week I'll email snark aobut cjr's trunk logfiles
22:30:45 <Huene`> okay so first off I appreciate all the help you guys have given but I think we got caught up on dgl and didn't really touch my original question, which is fine, all knowledge is good knowledge, but I'm curious, is the morgue and scores generated by default if so, where, and if not, what do i need ot do to get them up and running?
22:33:37 <geekosaur> should be created automatically, if it has write permission. *where* will depend on how you built crawl
22:36:58 <Huene`> where does it go without changing it's config
22:38:18 <Huene`> I am trying to find out if it's served by the internal webtiles server or if I need to create an entry in apache
22:39:52 <geekosaur> the latter
22:40:24 <Huene`> do you happen to know the name of the directory they're in? again without config changes
22:41:02 <geekosaur> if you really didn;t change anything (make sure of that) then it's whatever directory it was run in
22:42:43 <gammafunk> Huene`: I have a saves/logfile file when I run webtiles by itself right from my repo
22:42:53 <gammafunk> that saves directory might need to be created initially though
22:43:06 <gammafunk> I also don't have a milestones file; not sure why that one is not getting generated
22:43:36 <Huene`> that's probably what it is, relaunching to test
22:43:36 <Huene`> because I didn't hav eit
22:43:54 <gammafunk> I also have an rcs directory in that same working directory; that's where RC files go
22:44:15 <gammafunk> I recall there's a script the webtiles server tries to run to create a new RC file for a newly registered user
22:44:26 <gammafunk> which has to be permissioned to allow execution
22:45:32 <gammafunk> yeah, that's in util/webtiles-init-player.sh
22:45:46 <Huene`> yeah the rcs dir is working
22:45:59 <gammafunk> webserver/config.py:init_player_program = "./util/webtiles-init-player.sh"
22:46:06 <Huene`> made a saves dir, re-launched, created a character and got them killed and the newly created saves directory is still blank
22:46:16 <gammafunk> ok, let me look at my server config
22:46:21 <gammafunk> that's webserver/config.py
22:47:10 <gammafunk> aha
22:47:21 <gammafunk> by default webtiles looks in the working directory for milestones
22:47:24 <gammafunk> let me see if mine is there
22:48:05 <gammafunk> hrm, so that must be for the lobby status listing I'm guessing
22:48:36 <gammafunk> yeah, so I guess webtiles doesn't know about the logfile or saves dir at all
22:48:54 <gammafunk> it's all up to the crawl binary for that
22:49:02 <gammafunk> and it has a configuration option for milestones, which it probably uses for showing milestones in the lobby
22:49:25 <gammafunk> Huene`: if you save a newly created character, where is the save file getting created?
22:49:37 <Huene`> testing one moment
22:49:39 <gammafunk> so if you save a character and end the game, not killing it
22:50:22 <gammafunk> I would maybe do something like: find . -type f -iname '*.cs'
22:51:42 <Huene`> ok in the working directory, thanks for that I wasn't sure what to look for
22:52:03 <Huene`> so in my case the same directory as the crawl binary after compiling, in source
22:52:43 <gammafunk> is the logfile in that directory?
22:52:46 <gammafunk> sounds like it might be
22:52:51 <gammafunk> the file name is just 'logfile'
22:54:11 <Huene`> it is yes
22:54:11 <gammafunk> well, mystery solved
22:54:16 <gammafunk> kind of weird how yours is using that dir
22:54:24 <gammafunk> are you running the webtiles server from the source dir?
22:54:35 <Huene`> yes, but I can relocate it if all I need is the binary
22:54:43 <Huene`> assuming data will be lost
22:54:56 <gammafunk> weird how yours is making it directly in that dir and not in that saves subdir
22:55:11 <gammafunk> but what you should probably do is use those compilation options you saw in that script I linked
22:55:22 <gammafunk> and have a compilation command that sets a directory you want
22:55:30 <gammafunk> it sort of depends on what kind of setup you want
22:55:40 <Huene`> I'll be hones I am not clear on how to use it
22:55:57 <gammafunk> well, the script is not what you have to use, but the example of compiling crawl
22:56:11 <gammafunk> you can set make arguments to change directories that the crawl binary uses for creating these files
22:56:25 <gammafunk> DESTDIR and PREFIX and that like
22:56:50 <geekosaur> btw it'd be nice to have an option printing out the compiled in defaults for things like that. -version tells you the options passed to gcc but doesn't help you if the defaults were changed some other way
22:56:53 <gammafunk> I don't know if you're going to go ahead and set up the dgl-based setup or not
22:57:15 <gammafunk> oh yeah, good point
22:57:41 <gammafunk> Huene`: so setting up with dgl makes it easier to install branches, to update trunk (either regularly with a cron job or manually)
22:57:49 <gammafunk> since you have scripts you run to do those things
22:58:21 <gammafunk> if you just want a quick setup though, maybe just try setting some of those variables when you compile crawl to change directories where the crawl binary saves its stuff
22:58:48 <Huene`> is there a good place to find the documentation for dgl? I'm not against using it, in fact I would prefer it but I'm having trouble following the installation flow
22:59:07 <gammafunk> I think that document you have on the wiki is the best we got
22:59:43 <Huene`> ok fair enough
23:00:15 <gammafunk> that covers setting up everything you'd need for a server, including things like ssh access which maybe you don't want, but the chroot setup and all those dgl script setups and uses
23:07:49 <Huene`> what is the name of a morgue file, Charactername.morgue or soemthing like that?
23:08:40 <geekosaur> morgue-charname-date-time.txt
23:10:03 <Huene`> ok so they're being saved in rcs/Charname
23:10:48 <Huene`> hang on I think I figured out what was going on with the morgue files, forgot to recompile, I keep forgetting that config changes require a recompile
23:10:50 <johnstein> ^status
23:10:51 <Rotatell> 82 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=93% (135GB) | RAM usage=52% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 23:10:49 up 7 days,  3:46,  7 users,  load average: 2.26, 2.36, 2.18 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org
23:14:17 <gammafunk> config changes?
23:14:27 <gammafunk> config of what
23:16:15 <Huene`> er wait nevermind, I mistook morgue url for morgue path in the webserver config.py
23:21:07 <gammafunk> Huene`: yeah, if you're changing the webtiles config.py, you definitely do not to recompile crawl for those changes to take effect
23:21:19 <Huene`> I might just have to dump everything and reclone and recompile because I just checked the makefile and there is a mention of mkdir -p $(savedir_fp)/morgue and /saves which I'm not terribly opposed to doing, just need to save a few things first
23:22:06 <gammafunk> when you perform that make, you're building the crawl binary and copying some files relevant for webtiles to the webserver dir
23:22:12 <gammafunk> but config.py isn't part of this
23:22:20 <gammafunk> you can simply edit that file and restart the webtiles server
23:22:28 <johnstein> |amethyst, what would happen if I moved over a ttyrec AND the ttyrec.bz2?
23:22:35 <Huene`> has it always been that way?
23:22:52 <gammafunk> I don't know what you mean by "always"
23:23:05 <johnstein> ie if I rsynced over a ttyrec before the compression script ran. so now there's one of each
23:23:07 <Huene`> I think I first installed around the 0.16 era
23:23:10 <gammafunk> That's just how the webtiles server is structured; it loads config.py as a module
23:23:30 <Huene`> hmm ok well talk about doing extra work for nothing :D thanks for correcting me ont hat
23:23:39 <gammafunk> yes, that's definitely been the case since then, I'm sure since webtiles was first implemented in 0.9, but you should understand that your `make' is doing
23:24:00 <johnstein> it's been that way since at least 0.13
23:24:09 <Huene`> I have next to no experience with python is the issue,
23:24:10 <gammafunk> it's not assembling those .py files or doing any special python setup or anything
23:24:43 <Huene`> what's the config.pyc then?
23:24:55 <gammafunk> right, for the make, just think of it as building your crawl binary and the assets needed to support webtiles, so tile sheets and supporting javascript defs
23:25:15 <gammafunk> that's created when you run webtiles
23:25:29 <gammafunk> read up about pyc and python when you have a chance
23:25:56 <gammafunk> but .pyc files get created when python runs a .py file
23:26:00 <gammafunk> it speeds up subsequent loads of said script
23:26:34 <Huene`> Ahh ok it's been so long since the original compile I thought it was part of the compile
23:27:08 <Huene`> I'm going to see what I get when I make a second instance, if it does what I want I'll just dump this and convert everything over
23:33:44 <Huene`> thankfully there's only a few of us on the server currently so it shouldn't mess with things too bad, and I just have two manual changes to make really, (I like having a hotkey to start the game from the lobby)
23:46:42 <Huene`> ok so the morgue files are now in the rcs directory fresh clone / compile default configs
23:47:32 <Huene`> well ./rcs/charname/morgue-*
23:51:43 <Huene`> I think I've got it now
23:59:37 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.22-a0-77-g0fd0111 (34)