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01:56:30 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-279-g6037ffb
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02:53:30 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-279-g6037ffb
03:11:31 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-279-g6037ffb (34)
04:26:09 <nikheizen> what does this syntax do "MONS: place:D:14 skeleton w:5 / place:D:14 zombie, shadow imp, hellwing"
04:26:52 <gammafunk> nikheizen: first monsters slot is either skeleton from D:14 or zombie from D:14
04:27:02 <gammafunk> second slot is shadow imp, 3rd slot hellwing
04:27:21 <nikheizen> oh a skeleton zombie of a "D:14 monster"
04:27:23 <nikheizen> ?
04:27:28 <gammafunk> yes
04:27:33 <nikheizen> interesting
04:27:34 <gammafunk> well
04:27:45 <gammafunk> a d:14 skeleton
04:27:58 <gammafunk> I think that just means look at said monsters
04:28:12 <gammafunk> but yeah it's a skeleton that you would see generate on D:4
04:28:15 <gammafunk> *D:14
04:28:27 <gammafunk> often used to make actually threatening ones
04:28:40 <gammafunk> so you'd use that at a much earlier depth than D:14 typically
04:30:36 <nikheizen> yeah, ok
04:30:44 <nikheizen> !vault freezing_bzr
04:30:44 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/bazaar.des#L235
04:31:11 <nikheizen> should maybe have a little room around the edges and no spawning tag
04:31:33 <nikheizen> had roka's pack notably spawn within range of the fog machines
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09:43:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/585 * 0.21-a0-186-g77254e1: Change skill screen foreground color in help mode to light gray 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77254e16d579
09:43:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/585 * 0.21-a0-187-gd404e00: Fix a range issue 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d404e00264f7
09:43:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/585 * 0.21-a0-188-g3e221bf: Add UI for skill target editing for console/local tiles 10(9 minutes ago, 16 files, 836+ 143-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3e221bfbfdbc
09:44:22 <advil> I think implementing text input from scratch in a new (sdl or whatever) app would probably be easier than trying to figure out how to get it to work in the context of crawlcode
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10:30:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/585 * 0.21-a0-280-ge7f3368: Add messaging about skill level targets to weapon information 10(7 weeks ago, 7 files, 266+ 80-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e7f3368d4b4f
10:30:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/585 * 0.21-a0-281-gfc3874b: Incorporate manuals into skill target projections 10(6 weeks ago, 3 files, 16+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fc3874bef21d
10:30:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/585 * 0.21-a0-282-gfe3d45f: Clean up some bool arguments for skill_level_to_diffs 10(6 weeks ago, 3 files, 25+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fe3d45f712d3
10:30:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/585 * 0.21-a0-283-gb95ad3e: Implement training target backend 10(5 weeks ago, 13 files, 239+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b95ad3efbe9f
10:30:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/585 * 0.21-a0-284-g1620fea: Change skill screen foreground color in help mode to light gray 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1620fea2d45b
10:30:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/585 * 0.21-a0-285-ge05b37c: Fix a range issue 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e05b37c96e3d
10:30:25 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/585 * 0.21-a0-286-gcaee53e: Add UI for skill target editing for console/local tiles 10(56 minutes ago, 16 files, 836+ 143-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/caee53ebc528
10:33:59 <advil> I guess merge commits would be less spammy
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13:04:36 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-279-g6037ffb (34)
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16:28:06 <gammafunk> advil: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205316046230388737/361246512203825152/los.png
16:28:16 <gammafunk> advil: any changes to auotexplore you might be aware of that would cause this?
16:28:26 <gammafunk> someone else reported that they autoexplored to two sleeping adders
16:28:36 <gammafunk> so far sleeping monsters seem to be involved, but not sure if related
16:49:41 <amalloy> gammafunk: it's a longstanding ash bug
16:49:46 <amalloy> nothing new
16:50:22 <amalloy> but nobody's figured out what causes it or how to fix it afaik. only happens with ash and sleeping monsters, as i recall
16:50:36 <gammafunk> ah
16:55:50 <advil> !bug 6503
16:55:51 <Sequell> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6503
16:56:49 <advil> possibly that one
18:02:42 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-279-g6037ffb (34)
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19:11:28 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.21-a0-280-g1d62a0f: Don't tithe gold stolen by Maurice (Vanguardan) 10(11 minutes ago, 6 files, 25+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1d62a0f9ae78
19:11:28 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.21-a0-281-gb6be1c8: Improve messaging for stolen gold 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b6be1c8b1b2c
19:12:02 <MarvinPA> high quality edge cases
19:14:15 <hellmonk> r e m o v e m a u r i c e
19:18:41 <gammafunk> you can't remove a unique that removes items from the player
20:09:19 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-281-gb6be1c8 (34)
20:25:55 <amalloy> apparently if you leave LOS radius of a (hostile or friendly) malign gateway, the tentacle is deleted and an error message printed: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/72003f/
20:26:18 <amalloy> the classic "What the heck!" error message
20:42:37 <gammafunk> amalloy: yeah, that error has been reported a lot, but it's not specific to just eldritch tentacles
20:42:45 <gammafunk> it's happening a lot with krakens and other tentacle things
20:42:48 <gammafunk> I think also dryads
22:01:47 <|amethyst> wonder if it's related to this in _segment_data
22:01:51 <|amethyst> .set_prox(PROX_CLOSE_TO_PLAYER)
22:02:05 <|amethyst> weren't there recently changes to monster proximity?
22:02:25 <|amethyst> s/monster/& placement/
22:04:06 <|amethyst> hm, but nothing that looks like it would be a problem here
22:04:48 <|amethyst> ah
22:04:57 <|amethyst> %git 6b349860
22:04:57 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.21-a0-253-g6b34986: Don't try to spawn monsters from stairs 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 9+ 243-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b349860cb1b
22:06:55 <|amethyst> hm, but the previous code repeated the loop in that situation
22:09:23 <gammafunk> |amethyst: there was a follow-up commit advil made to fix zombie generating not as zombies
22:10:09 <gammafunk> hrm, maybe that commit didn't touch any of these lines though
22:10:30 <gammafunk> ah, yes it did
22:10:39 <gammafunk> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b349860cb1b#diff-337e59ae3f4d2d932ad3cef1ea8d0d4dL717
22:10:57 <gammafunk> my commit there introduced a bug where that loop was not exiting properly
22:11:18 <gammafunk> I think advil's commit refactored out the loop completely, since it wasn't even necessary in my commit which introduced the zombie bug
22:11:29 <gammafunk> not sure if any of that is related to what you're looking at
22:11:32 <gammafunk> |amethyst: ^
22:13:34 <|amethyst> I'm not sure why this is using PROX_CLOSE_TO_PLAYER anyway
22:14:02 <|amethyst> but I'd like to know why it wasn't broken earlier
22:14:21 <|amethyst> I guess maybe I should test with 0.20 and 0.19
22:15:35 <|amethyst> nope, this is definitely new
22:16:06 <|amethyst> let me try bisecting I guess
22:18:26 <|amethyst> wish I had 12 cores right now
22:18:58 <|amethyst> surely taxpayers wouldn't mind if I used work computers for this</s>
22:18:59 <gammafunk> but the gradius games taught us to destroy the core
22:20:01 <|amethyst> btw, any thoughts on food-unification?
22:20:19 <|amethyst> my biggest concern is the cost of Fedhas food-using abilities
22:21:05 <gammafunk> did you hear about the xp debt idea?
22:21:13 <|amethyst> I did not
22:21:16 <gammafunk> I'm actually writing up a 0.21 dev plan right now
22:21:22 <gammafunk> and I just made a summary of your branch
22:21:29 <gammafunk> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/0.21-Development-and-Release-Plan
22:21:38 <gammafunk> I need to write up the xp debt idea
22:21:49 <gammafunk> which I will do in a bit
22:22:08 <gammafunk> and that is not complete, there are other things I need to put on there
22:22:14 <gammafunk> decided to use the wiki on github
22:22:23 <gammafunk> I noticed you can have pages in ResT
22:22:38 <|amethyst> the other thing I'd like to do is enable easy_eat, and make auto_eat fall back to rations
22:22:39 <gammafunk> it doesn't exactly import doku wiki markup flawlessly though
22:23:14 <|amethyst> with the goal being that most players don't have to press e, and if they do it just increases their nutrition without prompting or such
22:23:43 <gammafunk> I think I've been running easy_eat for a while now and haven't had any trouble
22:23:48 <|amethyst> but that requires either allowing eating mutagenic chunks at engorged, or else removing mutagenic chunks
22:24:08 <gammafunk> well either of those would be good, obviously the second is more impactful gameplay wise
22:24:16 <gammafunk> I'm not sure any current dev actually likes mutagenic chunks
22:24:20 <gammafunk> I will put that on the plan
22:24:21 <|amethyst> I do!
22:24:25 <|amethyst> but I'm the only one :)
22:24:29 <gammafunk> well, fair enough
22:24:48 <|amethyst> and elliptic nearly convinced me it's better to remove them
22:24:52 <gammafunk> I'd like to have MPA and obviously any other devs who haven't looked at all the things take a look
22:25:03 <gammafunk> so I'm going to try to finish this doc with all the outstanding items tonight
22:25:25 <gammafunk> unification could be good to do short-term, my only concern being that if we're going to jump to food removal soon anyhow...
22:26:00 <gammafunk> esp if it's not hard to implement, but I do want to hear from other people about the xp debt thing that elliptic/myself/mikee/other irc people hashed out
22:26:16 <gammafunk> if it's not doable this version then the unification is at least a good step
22:26:52 <gammafunk> boy it would be weird if we did remove food and kept blood + chunks for ghouls
22:27:00 <gammafunk> the only species that still used food would be undead...
22:27:10 <|amethyst> well
22:27:21 <gammafunk> er blood for Vp + chunks for Ghols
22:27:21 <|amethyst> if anything eats the bodies of its enemies, it would be a ghoul
22:27:23 <gammafunk> *ghouls
22:27:35 <gammafunk> yes, just sort of ironic
22:28:01 <gammafunk> one great feature of the undead is you can't starve to death!
22:28:03 <gammafunk> becomes
22:28:11 <gammafunk> one great feature of the undead is you have to eat food!
22:28:29 <|amethyst> to be fair, that was never really a feature of ghouls
22:28:38 <|amethyst> "you technically can't starve to death"
22:42:09 <johnstein> |amethyst: I still was hoping to finish the eat mut chunks at engorged issue. but Life is squarely in the way
22:43:44 <|amethyst> johnstein:  it might end up being moot anyway it seems :)
22:47:07 <gammafunk> maybe....mutagenic fruit???
22:48:04 <gammafunk> wait neil is removing fruit
22:48:07 <gammafunk> so mutagenic rations
22:48:29 <gammafunk> I guess that's no better, might as well be a fruit
22:48:56 <|amethyst> uranium pellets
22:49:29 <johnstein> kinda hope mut chunks stick around in some form. not sure how relevant my hope is though.
22:49:41 <johnstein> pellets would be acceptable
22:49:49 <|amethyst> they can also be used as sling ammunition dealing transmutation miscasts
22:50:06 <johnstein> +1
22:52:11 <johnstein> the obvious solution is to add radioactive clouds that have a chance to turn a ration into a radioactive ration
22:52:50 <gammafunk> why stop there
22:52:56 <gammafunk> also gives mutation ego to weapons
22:53:01 <gammafunk> *contam to equipment
22:53:30 <hellmonk> plutonium crabs
22:53:33 <hellmonk> that is all
22:53:35 <gammafunk> leave spellbooks in the clouds to make them have the transmutations school but adding cool transmutation style effects
22:53:44 <gammafunk> like mutagenic regeneration spell
22:53:48 <gammafunk> and animate nuclear dead
22:54:20 <gammafunk> plutonium is a 3rd-rate radioactive element
22:54:45 <gammafunk> need one of those crazy ones with a half-life that's in milliseconds
22:55:40 <|amethyst> hm
22:56:08 <|amethyst> I was bisecting that bug, but the last commit doesn't build
22:56:21 <|amethyst> (6b34986 "Don't try to spawn monsters from stairs")
22:58:43 <gammafunk> oh, I tried to make those all build
22:58:45 <|amethyst> okay, fixed the build error, and that is definitely the commit that caused the bug
22:58:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  it had a stray PROX_NEAR_STAIRS that was missed
22:59:04 <gammafunk> ah....oh
22:59:10 <gammafunk> did I leave that in as save compat?
22:59:15 <gammafunk> maybe it gets marshalled
22:59:21 <|amethyst> you removed the enumerator
22:59:25 <gammafunk> but I don't think it does
22:59:28 <|amethyst> but there was one use of it still
22:59:34 <|amethyst> I don't think it would be marshalled
22:59:42 <gammafunk> yeah but that's why I'm confused
22:59:48 <gammafunk> you're ..oh
22:59:52 <gammafunk> I did remove the enum
23:00:00 <gammafunk> but then there was still a use
23:00:15 <|amethyst> yeah, which was removed in the next commit along with a bunch of surrounding code
23:00:17 <gammafunk> but..how would that relate to the bug
23:00:21 <|amethyst> it's not
23:00:32 <|amethyst> I fixed the error locally to get it to build
23:00:42 <gammafunk> oh I see, you're just saying that from the bisect, it must be the problem?
23:00:46 <|amethyst> yeah
23:00:48 <gammafunk> well, I believe it
23:00:53 <gammafunk> that code was totally confusing
23:00:59 <gammafunk> and much of it very ancient
23:01:21 <gammafunk> and the whole thing was very buggy too
23:01:26 <gammafunk> it basically wasn't making those spawns correctly due to how it tried to test for their validity
23:02:44 <|amethyst> oh, hm
23:03:11 <|amethyst> the old code that enforced the PROX_CLOSE_TO_PLAYER thing only happened  if (!mg.use_position() && !force_pos)
23:03:47 <|amethyst> but you moved that into _valid_monster_generation_location
23:04:41 <|amethyst> the hm
23:06:02 <|amethyst> why do tentacles, horn of geryon, and phial of floods use PROX_CLOSE_TO_PLAYER anyway?
23:06:14 <|amethyst> horn of geryon doesn't use MG_FORCE_PLACE but the other two do
23:07:53 <|amethyst> those are the only uses of mgen_data::set_prox too
23:08:04 <|amethyst> so it must have been important at one point
23:11:28 <|amethyst> hm
23:30:51 <|amethyst> oh, I have a stashed commit here that makes Beogh non-evil
23:31:32 <|amethyst> I guess that's a TSO nerf
23:31:40 <|amethyst> early-game TSO...
23:32:14 <|amethyst> (because the commit also removes MH_EVIL from orc priests)
23:32:49 <|amethyst> well, changing that to PROX_ANYWHERE seems to work?
23:33:18 <|amethyst> not sure if there is some change to how tentacles get placed (compared to 0.20), but I doubt it
23:34:10 <|amethyst> because AFAICT in <=0.20, PROX_CLOSE_TO_PLAYER had zero effect when the mgen_data also had MG_FORCE_PLACE
23:35:09 <|amethyst> hm
23:35:49 <|amethyst> it looks like PROX_CLOSE_TO_PLAYER just meant "if you are placing this completely randomly, make it near the player"
23:36:11 <|amethyst> even if force-place was off, even specifying a position turned off the check
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23:39:42 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.21-a0-283-g622b906: Avoid combining MG_FORCE_PLACE + PROX_CLOSE_TO_PLAYER 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/622b90602dff
23:54:43 <|amethyst> I closed 11230 (Scarf egos don't identify as types), but I could see arguments for changing it
23:55:02 <|amethyst> since unlike other armour, they don't have enchantment and don't exist without an ego
23:55:13 <|amethyst> so they're more like jewellery in that respect
23:55:31 <|amethyst> it would be a pain to implement, I'm sure
23:55:49 <|amethyst> since the type-id array stores base type and subtype, and here it's an ego, not a subtype