00:09:32 <travis-ci> The build passed. (food-unification - cd6f74d #8638 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/266420829
00:27:08 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-207-g4a9efaf (34)
01:55:55 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-207-g4a9efaf
01:57:22 <Rotatell> ziggurnaut (L3 DsNe)  (D:2)
02:54:11 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.21-a0-207-g4a9efaf
03:21:59 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-207-g4a9efaf (34)
05:14:11 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_
08:50:19 <wheals_> ??plans
08:50:20 <Sequell> plans ~ plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans
09:23:33 <gammafunk> you too, wheals?!
09:23:49 <gammafunk> We haven't updated that for this release
09:24:20 <gammafunk> There are some definite projects likely to happen, but I'm stilling over something very "release highlight" worthy
09:24:26 <gammafunk> in terms of it being new content
09:24:43 <gammafunk> by mulling over I mean not thinking about it much until I finishe these smaller things I'm working on
09:40:40 <Floodkiller> oh, that reminds me that I forgot to format my extended reform ideas for the wiki
10:10:56 <Cheibriados> Excess confirmation on casting Slouch when allies are behind glass 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11189 by Yermak
11:35:40 -!- Menche_ is now known as Menche
13:22:57 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.21-a0-207-g4a9efaf (34)
14:41:54 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.21-a0-208-g9cb1729: An xp_by_level XP tracking table for morgues 10(28 hours ago, 12 files, 352+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9cb1729a330e
14:41:54 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.21-a0-209-gb77565a: Save compat for LevelXPInfo tracking 10(18 hours ago, 2 files, 11+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b77565a16080
14:41:54 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.21-a0-210-gbfa5647: Fix turn tracking for turns_by_place and xp_by_level dump tables 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bfa5647dee80
15:09:11 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-210-gbfa5647 (34)
15:39:28 -!- Amnesiac__ is now known as Amnesiac
16:59:10 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy
18:15:24 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-210-gbfa5647 (34)
20:42:06 <alexjurkiewicz> thanks MarvinPA
20:46:12 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/600 (3 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/600
20:46:12 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/600 * 0.21-a0-211-g3bc8412: Add Shift Attributes ability to Gnolls 10(11 days ago, 13 files, 182+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3bc84127273e
20:46:12 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/600 * 0.21-a0-212-g66f93fd: Increase Gnoll attributes to 10/10/10 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/66f93fddd7ee
20:46:12 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/600 * 0.21-a0-213-g0568a6d: Save compat for Gnoll changes 10(25 minutes ago, 3 files, 19+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0568a6db3566
20:53:14 <alexjurkiewicz> Floodkiller: the logic in the commit message for why shift attributes is unlocked at xl9 only really works if the unlock is at xl2
20:56:40 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  objstat FR: separately count things from vaults and floor items/monster spawns
20:57:38 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  I was about to run objstat on food-unification, but realised I won't really be sure how much to tweak itemgen vs how much to tweak vaults
20:57:59 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  especially since food is especially common in vaults compared to other items
20:59:54 <|amethyst> also, is "Multiple branch exits on Tomb:1" expected?  I get that twice on every objstat iteration
21:00:43 <|amethyst> oh, I guess it is, since the level explicitly has three exits
21:00:48 <|amethyst> why are they shuffled???
21:01:21 <|amethyst> (I guess so the entry point is random, but still...)
21:01:28 <Floodkiller> alexjurkiewicz: can you explain? the level is pretty easily changed if necessary
21:03:21 <|amethyst> is the random location of the entry worth anything?  Because either way there's a solution to the multiple stairs, but it's a different solution depending
21:03:42 <|amethyst> also, I get a fair number of "Monster <foo> in <wall type> at <coords>"
21:04:35 <|amethyst> also also, is tiledef_lint broken?  Because it reports a lot of things that I know are used in-game
21:08:08 <gammafunk> Yeah, the monster placement in walls thing is a problem with the (very complicated) vaults layout
21:08:26 <gammafunk> I noticed it also happens if you try to place a float vault in vaults
21:09:01 <gammafunk> minivaults place fine, but float vaults do very weird things and the vault just sort of gets slapped down with monsters landing in walls
21:09:39 <gammafunk> |amethyst: I'm not sure how much detail you'd need for vaults; literally just "did this object generate in a vault?"
21:09:45 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  yeah
21:09:57 <gammafunk> vault is also something that has to be well-defined in the sense of there being encompass vaults and such
21:10:07 <gammafunk> but I guess that's not a big deal
21:10:21 <|amethyst> I would count anything placed by an encompass vault or a layout
21:10:29 <|amethyst> not that layouts should be placing items, but if they did
21:10:39 <|amethyst> hm
21:11:04 <|amethyst> I suppose there's another distinction that would be useful...
21:11:21 <gammafunk> as long as the only thing you need is the overall count and not something like a per-property vault count
21:11:32 <gammafunk> property meaning all the little stats it tracks for the object
21:11:49 <gammafunk> but just like "averyage number generated in vaults" would be easy
21:11:56 <|amethyst> things placed by % and * and | and so on I guess are more like floor items in some sense
21:12:16 <gammafunk> how so?
21:12:16 <|amethyst> tracking *that* becomes more of a pain I'm sure
21:12:33 <gammafunk> well, that should be trackable really
21:12:53 <gammafunk> but I'm not sure we'd need that, and how would we track it?
21:12:57 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  I want to get an idea for how much to tweak the distribution in items(), if any
21:13:08 <gammafunk> er, I mean, how do we summarize it
21:13:22 <gammafunk> AveNumFromSuperb
21:13:33 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  food placed by a vault that specifically placed food shouldn't affect that tweaking, but food placed by % should
21:13:35 <gammafunk> how many of this item came from superb_item?
21:13:38 <|amethyst> hm
21:13:52 <|amethyst> yeah, I guess separating them is probably necessary
21:14:03 <|amethyst> since they use different base class distributions :(
21:14:31 <gammafunk> | can't place food I think, but yeah star_item can
21:14:36 <gammafunk> ??star_item
21:14:36 <Sequell> star item[1/1]: In {des} syntax, an item of quality (5 + depths * 2). The * glyph is defined as this by default.
21:14:37 <|amethyst> I had been thinking AveNumFromVaults, AveNumFromFloor, AveNumExplicitlyPlaced
21:15:21 <|amethyst> (where explicitly placed counts KITEM: _ = ration   but not  KITEM: _ = %
21:15:22 <|amethyst> )
21:15:31 <gammafunk> yeah, I see what you mean
21:15:46 <gammafunk> I think the real challenge there is des -> object mapping maybe
21:15:52 <gammafunk> hrm, maybe it wouldn't be hard
21:16:07 <gammafunk> well, I'm not super sure actually
21:16:13 <amalloy> |amethyst: i can't imagine a reason for the three exits to W:1. especially since two of them are the same under hmirror
21:16:23 <|amethyst> though since really I want vault items to just mean things that were explicitly food
21:17:10 <gammafunk> it's quite possible not too bad to implement, but I'd need to look more at how this info is available post level gen
21:17:29 <gammafunk> since the current methods just go over the grid and count things
21:17:29 <|amethyst> yeah
21:17:34 <gammafunk> this is all well after vault placement and all that resolution happens
21:17:37 <|amethyst> it's not critical or anything
21:17:44 <|amethyst> I can experiment
21:18:06 <|amethyst> it's just objstat takes a long time, so the iterations aren't so rapid
21:18:44 <gammafunk> yeah, it's pretty slow
21:18:51 <|amethyst> we track origin vaults for monsters already
21:19:02 <|amethyst> could add that for items
21:19:07 <gammafunk> true
21:19:54 <|amethyst> (would also let you add optional post-game annotations: "You found it on Lair:6 in lair_end_frog_pond.")
21:20:07 <|amethyst> (that's probably silly)
21:20:22 <gammafunk> cool for vault nerds, yeah, not too useful for players
21:20:31 <gammafunk> unless we want to make looking up vault spoilers easy
21:20:31 <|amethyst> ha
21:20:36 <gammafunk> at least you're working from the situation where there's too much food in the game
21:20:36 <|amethyst> I had even been going to say
21:20:43 <|amethyst> "optional post-game annotations for nerds"
21:21:33 <|amethyst> I'm thinking about removing chance_second_food and putting the vaults into random rotation instead, but I bet the impact of that is minimal
21:22:24 <|amethyst> I think you'd have to keep the uniq_second_food when doing so or you'd probably increase the amount of food in the game
21:23:00 <gammafunk> oh, sure
21:28:34 <alexjurkiewicz> !seen advil
21:28:34 <Sequell> I last saw advil at Sun Aug 20 02:12:59 2017 UTC (23h 15m 35s ago) saying '@1FuQ = player demon frog ugly thing tengu' on ##crawl-dev.
21:29:05 <gammafunk> |amethyst: also, and you may already realize this (and I realize it's cumbersome), but if you only care about average numbers and not e.g. min/max, you can run objstat in parallel and just combine results
21:29:20 <alexjurkiewicz> Floodkiller: I mean if the purpose is to prevent XL1 drain, the skill should unlock at XL2. That was the only reason mentioned in the commit message
21:29:38 <alexjurkiewicz> |amethyst: the 2 rations per fedhas ability cost seems crazy high
21:30:06 <gammafunk> you need to read yesterday's discussion
21:30:16 <gammafunk> where he talks about how he'd adjust ration levels
21:30:18 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  can I set the output filename?
21:30:44 <gammafunk> no, not currently, I have a little script for my parallel jobs stuff
21:30:56 <|amethyst> oh, with separate dirs I guess
21:31:00 <gammafunk> since you need an independent copy of crawl, yeah
21:31:37 <Floodkiller> my commit message might be giving the wrong impression; instead of start of game, I probably should have used early game
21:36:53 <gammafunk> |amethyst: my sh scripts for running parallel objstat jobs (doesn't do any sort of combining, just running in parallel) https://github.com/gammafunk/objstat/tree/master/objstat
21:37:14 <gammafunk> the toplevel objstat.sh script and objstat-job.sh
21:37:35 <alexjurkiewicz> Floodkiller: yeah I was guessing something like that, although as I was thinking about it I didn't really see a problem with unlocking the ability relatively early
21:56:25 <alexjurkiewicz> advil: are you happy to merge my gift refactor as well as the zin purification PR? I'll combine them if so
22:00:10 <|amethyst> yeah, I definitely need to do some reduction
22:01:29 <|amethyst> total nutrition went up by 37% (normal), 72% (carnivore), 55% (herbivore)
22:03:57 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[food-unification] * 0.21-a0-214-ge331351: Remove obsolete commends in food.des. 10(18 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e331351df3ec
22:05:02 <|amethyst> Looking at the numbers in the 0.21 objstat, seems I can make the herb/carn penalty approximately 50% and then would just have to deal with the 37%
22:06:07 <|amethyst> alternatively the herbivore penalty could be 0 and spriggans could hunger around twice as fast, but that lowers the relative cost of spellcasting etc
22:13:45 <advil> alexjurkiewicz: in principle yeah but I haven't had a chance to look at the gift refactor
22:15:02 <advil> seems like a reasonable refactor
22:15:24 <advil> confused by the "This needs #522 to be merged first, btw"
22:15:33 <advil> is that supposed to be a comment in PR #521?
22:16:00 <advil> (it's in #522)
22:17:39 <|amethyst> alexjurkiewicz:  the reasoning behind the 2-ration cost was to give approximately the same max number of uses
22:18:08 <advil> oh, #522 is a superset of the commits in #532? the zin-related one seems to be the same (with the same hash)
22:18:10 <advil> er
22:18:17 <advil> #522 vs #521
22:18:55 <|amethyst> alexjurkiewicz:  3 rune with spider/shoals currently gives 128 rations in the branch, compared to 56 fruit in trunk
22:19:10 <|amethyst> alexjurkiewicz:  it does increase the nutrition cost of course
22:19:18 <|amethyst> alexjurkiewicz:  (average, not max, sorry)
22:20:06 <|amethyst> if I cut the number of rations 33% then that does decrease the number of applications a bit
22:20:44 <|amethyst> maybe I'll reduce the nutrition instead, but that does increase the amount of eating the player will have to do
22:21:09 <|amethyst> could auto-eat rations at near starving (or starving?) by default
22:27:52 <johnstein> probably starving?
22:28:05 <johnstein> though near starving might be good too
22:28:15 <johnstein> if it's just a default and changeable
22:28:39 <advil> alexjurkiewicz: if I understand the situation right then I guess yeah, make changes to the zin commit in the PR with the gift refactor?
22:28:52 <advil> I don't even understand how you can have two distinct PRs that share a commit up to the hash
22:30:07 <Cheibriados> killing dragon over deep water can get "scales are intact enough to wear" after they've sunk 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11190 by geekosaur
22:30:16 <advil> maybe the zin-only one is the same branch but pushed at an earlier stage, and not pushed since
22:31:05 <|amethyst> hm, I'm not sure I understand the TotalNormNutr column in objstat
22:32:00 <|amethyst> looking at the 0.21 objstat:  chunk of flesh  AllLevels  0.75  ...  304 395.2 0
22:32:28 <|amethyst> but a chunk is 1000 nutrition, so 0.75 chunks should be 750 totalnormnutr
22:33:27 <|amethyst> likewise fruit:  num = 56.38, totalnormnutr = 20906.6, but 20906.6/56.38 = 370.8, less than the 850 a fruit should give
22:33:47 <gammafunk> let me see
22:33:56 <gammafunk> ??objstat[2
22:33:56 <Sequell> objstat[2/2]: Spreadsheets for all releases: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing ; See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing
22:37:12 <|amethyst> the numbers for rations and royal jelly look more reasonable
22:38:12 <gammafunk> oh, piles
22:38:16 <gammafunk> hrm
22:38:27 <|amethyst> oh
22:38:32 <|amethyst> it's not multiplying by quantity
22:38:45 <gammafunk> yeah
22:38:50 <gammafunk> that's a bug I think
22:38:54 <|amethyst> yeah, the numbers make sense then, thanks
22:39:16 <|amethyst> fortunately it doesn't throw my calculations off too much, since there isn't *that* much fruit in the game
22:41:26 <alexjurkiewicz> advil: yep
22:41:41 <alexjurkiewicz> advil: i'll still make sure the commits dont overlap
22:42:19 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  I'm going to fix that in my branch; you can either cherry-pick it, or wait for the branch to land some day :)
22:43:42 <gammafunk> cool, I was going to fix myself, but a cherry-pick is fine
22:45:43 <gammafunk> What's important is that this bug doesn't affect TotalGhoulNutr
22:45:54 <gammafunk> if those stats were off we'd have to redesign crawl from the ground up
22:57:17 <|amethyst> oh, I guess this won't be so easy to cherry-pick
22:57:35 <|amethyst> since I've changed the surrounding code a bit
22:58:41 <|amethyst> (I no longer multiply by food_is_meaty and food_is_veggie, since food_value now returns 0 in those cases; and also I set the mutation levels to 1, not 3)
22:59:21 <Lightli> question about food unification
22:59:49 <Lightli> oh wait no beef jerky was removed
22:59:54 <gammafunk> |amethyst: I can push an independent fix for it tomorrow then
23:00:40 <gammafunk> kind of amazed that the food tallying was actually relevant for someone; I think only the monster/scroll/potion stuff has really been used to any extent
23:06:26 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/521 * 0.20-a0-1026-g630393f: Various fixes (advil) 10(50 seconds ago, 3 files, 4+ 34-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/630393fb7cb6
23:14:54 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[food-unification] * 0.21-a0-215-gff8eb86: Decrease herb/carn ration nutrition. 10(49 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ff8eb8622c0b
23:14:54 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[food-unification] * 0.21-a0-216-g2d21b4e: Reduce ration nutrition by about 37%. 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2d21b4ee08c2
23:14:54 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[food-unification] * 0.21-a0-217-gbb82efd: Correct objstat nutrition counts for food piles. 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bb82efd65bb8
23:14:54 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[food-unification] * 0.21-a0-218-gef8da70: Remove food_is_veggie. 10(8 minutes ago, 4 files, 6+ 52-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ef8da70f6bde
23:14:54 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[food-unification] * 0.21-a0-219-g9509bab: Rename Fruit acquirement back to Food. 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9509babcfa14
23:15:43 <|amethyst> Food acquirement under Fedhas is kind of weak now, since you get fewer uses.  I could make Fedhas acq grant more rations I suppose
23:17:28 <gammafunk> |amethyst: were you planning to allow eating purple chunks while engorged in this branch? or should that be done separately since it's basically unrelated
23:17:37 <|amethyst> probably separately
23:18:18 <alexjurkiewicz> wow. three way merges can go seriously wrong
23:20:13 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/522 * 0.21-a0-211-g8f7e939: Rework Zin's mutation protection. 10(4 months ago, 15 files, 37+ 87-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8f7e939df157
23:20:13 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/522 * 0.21-a0-212-gbdb7aa6: Various fixes (advil) 10(15 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 34-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bdb7aa67a645
23:20:13 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/522 * 0.21-a0-213-g9fe4487: Move all god gifting logic into separate functions 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 434+ 390-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9fe44874d07a
23:20:13 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/522 * 0.21-a0-214-g1b5eeec: Rework gift messaging 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1b5eeecd8ba2
23:21:14 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[food-unification] * 0.21-a0-220-g90bf68a: Checkwhite. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/90bf68a16cac
23:21:14 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[food-unification] * 0.21-a0-221-g44cd1dc: Remove unused fruit-eating messages. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 103-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44cd1dc24521
23:21:14 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[food-unification] * 0.21-a0-222-g135196e: Replace references to fruit in Fedhas ability descriptions. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/135196ed1ff4
23:22:42 <gammafunk> I think I looked at that the Zin mutation protection thing a while ago and had a concern or two
23:22:50 <gammafunk> but now I forget, would have to look again
23:23:36 <|amethyst> btw, I did not remove any of the fruit vaults; they just produce rations instead, and fewer of course
23:24:26 <|amethyst> possibly that should be changed, because a ration sitting at the base of a tree is silly
23:24:53 <|amethyst> likewise beehives
23:25:45 <|amethyst> and the jelly pun vaults
23:26:53 <amalloy> rename to "a food" to make sure it's flavourless
23:28:38 <hellmonk> rename it to p i z z a
23:41:22 -!- jfcaron_ is now known as jfcaron
23:47:19 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/522 * 0.21-a0-213-gedb395a: Move all god gifting logic into separate functions 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 441+ 405-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/edb395ada696
23:47:19 <Cheibriados> 03alexjurkiewicz02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/522 * 0.21-a0-214-g7463d86: Rework gift messaging 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7463d86709f7
23:54:51 <gammafunk> that one depths slime:6 mimic vault
23:54:58 <gammafunk> with a royal jelly at the center
23:55:08 <hellmonk> fr: put dissolution there instead
23:56:23 <gammafunk> @?dissolution
23:56:23 <Gretell> Dissolution (13J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 141-209 | AC/EV: 10/1 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats doors, priest, see invisible, regen, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 13897 | Sp: sum.eyeballs [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
23:56:42 <gammafunk> spd:10
23:56:50 <hellmonk> summons eyeballs tho
23:56:51 <gammafunk> I guess he would get some kills
23:57:03 <gammafunk> but a shrike pack is way scarier
23:57:12 <hellmonk> yeah but a shrike pack isnt jelly themed
23:57:13 <gammafunk> summon eyeballs don't do too much ime
23:57:31 <gammafunk> heck does he even kill anyone in slime
23:57:44 <gammafunk> !lg * current slime s=cikiller
23:57:45 <Sequell> 582 games for * (current slime): 199x the Royal Jelly, 188x an acid blob, 53x an azure jelly, 42x, 25x a slime creature, 14x a large slime creature, 13x a titanic slime creature, 9x an eye of devastation, 8x Dissolution, 7x a death ooze, 6x an enormous slime creature, 5x a very large slime creature, 5x a great orb of eyes, 3x the player character, 2x the fury of Okawaru, a death yak, a Zot trap, t...
23:57:54 <hellmonk> not unless you let him pull one of the paralysis eyes and get 7turn para
23:58:00 <hellmonk> also he doesn't show up very often
23:58:14 <hellmonk> fr: make dissolution fast, then put him in that vault
23:58:29 <gammafunk> he needs some rethink
23:58:37 <gammafunk> has that burrowing gimmick too
23:59:03 <hellmonk> yeah the burrow gimmick is kind of dumb
23:59:28 <hellmonk> give him summon entropy weavers
23:59:30 <gammafunk> af_acid on a unique is sort of cool, eyes are fine. He does have two attacks
23:59:34 <gammafunk> @??the royal jelly
23:59:34 <Gretell> Royal Jelly (08J) | Spd: 14 | HD: 21 | HP: 196-273 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats doors, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(180), 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 14307 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless.
23:59:42 <gammafunk> same dam as trj, funny
23:59:53 <hellmonk> yeah he does trj dam but isnt fast so its less, also has less hd