00:08:20 <checkers> !log nofunallowed
00:08:21 <Sequell> 545. NOFUNALLOWED, XL7 CeCK, T:3238: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/NOFUNALLOWED/morgue-NOFUNALLOWED-20170713-034705.txt
00:09:07 <checkers> so it just ran qw with ceck?
00:09:19 <checkers> with some rule to never change starting weapon
00:19:30 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir
00:27:41 <checkers> !source cast_transform
00:27:42 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-selfench.cc#L376
00:27:58 <checkers> !source transform
00:27:58 <Sequell> 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/los.cc#L610
00:28:01 <checkers> !source transform 2
00:28:02 <Sequell> 2/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/transform.cc#L1587
00:29:56 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.21-a0-122-g43b3ea6 (34)
00:31:55 <checkers> gammafunk: should transporter vaults be no_tele_into?
00:32:57 <gammafunk> I try to treat them like any other vault in that regard
00:33:01 <gammafunk> so like a runed door vault
00:33:50 <checkers> ok
00:34:16 <gammafunk> some vaults that rely on monsters not being awake like its_a_trap I'd use it, and obviously you use it for any parts that would be teleport closets
00:34:33 <gammafunk> specifically I mostly don't
00:35:13 <gammafunk> however if you feel the vault is especially unfair in some way if the player were to randomly teleport into it
00:35:31 <gammafunk> I think I did use it on some of the transporter vaults that place especially early
00:36:29 <gammafunk> like steamed_eel and the overflow transporter vault
00:40:57 <gammafunk> ok, yeah only its_a_trap
00:41:27 <gammafunk> this is consistent with how we generally don't use no_tele_into for runed door vaults and other difficult vaults unless it's really a teleport closet
00:42:38 <gammafunk> for vaults that place something like zot traps it's probably nice to use it, but there are few vaults that do this, and I'd leave it up to the author's discretion, myself, if I were merging it
00:44:52 <checkers> !lg * x=map,kmap
00:44:54 <Sequell> 7531608. [map=;killermap=] knot the Sneak (L2 DsAs), quit the game on D:1 on 2017-07-13 04:44:44, with 8 points after 409 turns and 0:00:38.
00:44:59 <checkers> !lg . x=map,kmap
00:45:00 <Sequell> 2043. [map=ossuary_tomb_2;killermap=] chequers the Caller (L6 BaSu of Makhleb), succumbed to poison (a needle trap) in Ossuary (ossuary_tomb_2) on 2017-07-13 04:44:25, with 268 points after 5366 turns and 0:09:16.
00:45:05 <checkers> !lg . x=map,kmap -2
00:45:05 <Sequell> 2042/2043. [map=minmay_unequal;killermap=] chequers the Caller (L2 BaSu), slain by an ooze on D:1 (minmay_unequal) on 2017-07-13 04:35:00, with 9 points after 374 turns and 0:01:02.
00:45:09 <checkers> oops, died too much
00:45:11 <checkers> !lg . x=map,kmap -3
00:45:12 <Sequell> 2041/2043. [map=gammafunk_the_bubble; the_bubble_gammafunk_grid;killermap=gammafunk_the_bubble; the_bubble_gammafunk_grid] chequers the Martial Artist (L10 DsTm of Okawaru), mangled by a troll on D:8 (gammafunk_the_bubble; the_bubble_gammafunk_grid) on 2017-07-13 04:31:29, with 3923 points after 11288 turns and 0:16:49.
00:45:27 <gammafunk> wow
00:45:27 <gammafunk> how did I miss this
00:45:28 <gammafunk> .gfgk
00:45:29 <Sequell> 996. chequers the Martial Artist (L10 DsTm of Okawaru), mangled by a troll on D:8 (gammafunk_the_bubble; the_bubble_gammafunk_grid) on 2017-07-13 04:31:29, with 3923 points after 11288 turns and 0:16:49.
00:45:33 <checkers> it was like 10mins ago
00:45:34 <gammafunk> oh, it just happened lol
00:45:45 <gammafunk> .gfkill chequers
00:45:46 <Sequell> 3. chequers the Martial Artist (L10 DsTm of Okawaru), mangled by a troll on D:8 (gammafunk_the_bubble; the_bubble_gammafunk_grid) on 2017-07-13 04:31:29, with 3923 points after 11288 turns and 0:16:49.
00:45:49 <gammafunk> .gfkill chequers -2
00:45:50 <Sequell> 2/3. chequers the Minotaur Porcupine (L27 MiGl of Zin), thrown by an iron giant on Dis:4 (hangedman_dis_decor_blocks_crown) on 2016-02-25 06:34:58, with 801112 points after 62159 turns and 3:13:15.
00:45:53 <gammafunk> nice
00:45:56 <checkers> classic death
00:45:57 <gammafunk> .gfkill chequers -3
00:45:58 <Sequell> 1/3. chequers the Severer (L16 MiAK of Lugonu), slain by a golden dragon zombie on D:15 (gammafunk_depths_entry_grave) on 2015-08-02 08:28:36, with 113980 points after 29400 turns and 1:05:35.
00:46:10 <gammafunk> ah yeah, first vault I made that was decent at killing people
00:46:16 <checkers> i blame dragon zombie tiles all looking the same
00:46:24 <gammafunk> that is a common complaint
00:46:42 <gammafunk> we should probably simplify derived undead down to just more generic classes
00:46:50 <gammafunk> rather than one for each type of monster
00:47:03 <gammafunk> if you played console, you'd probably not have made that mistake
00:47:09 <gammafunk> hence you should reinstate console on cpo
00:47:40 <gammafunk> .gfgk -tv:<2
00:47:41 <Sequell> 996. chequers, XL10 DsTm, T:11288 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
00:48:05 <gammafunk> still no idea why cpo seems to hang when fetching like this sometimes
00:48:14 <gammafunk> it always eventually goes through, but it can take many minutes
00:49:06 <checkers> me either
00:52:04 <nikheizen> !cmd .gfgk
00:52:04 <Sequell> Command: .gfgk => .gfkmap kmap!~~lair|depths_entry|enter_depths|steamed_eel|runelock $*
00:52:52 <nikheizen> i really liked that one vault with the wand and the shadow imps across water
00:52:58 <gammafunk> oh yeah, wand slinger
00:53:04 <nikheizen> (not sure if it's always shadow imps or a wand of flame, probably not)
00:53:12 <checkers> i guess at least CPO misbehaving is hiding my shame rn
00:53:25 <gammafunk> I'm not sure if it's cpo's fault or what
00:53:31 <gammafunk> like if I tried to download the ttyrec directly
00:53:34 <gammafunk> I think it would work fine
00:53:43 <nikheizen> yeah wand slinger
00:53:57 <nikheizen> it was fun, but i feel like it only really works once
00:53:59 <gammafunk> nikheizen: it varies, it often has orc priests, and the monster set changes by depth, as does the quality and number of wands you can get
00:54:01 <nikheizen> which i'm fine with
00:54:05 <nikheizen> oh i see
00:54:19 <gammafunk> well it's non-spoilery at least
00:54:29 <gammafunk> .gfgk -ttyrec
00:54:37 <Sequell> 996. chequers, XL10 DsTm, T:11288: https://crawl.project357.org/ttyrec/chequers/2017-07-13.04:11:57.ttyrec
00:54:38 <gammafunk> oh interesting
00:54:39 <gammafunk> er
00:54:52 <gammafunk> yeah that downloaded just fine
00:55:31 <nikheizen> yeah it reminds me of old platformers, where they'd use the coins or pickups to lead the player to see what to do, it was very cute
00:55:51 <gammafunk> can also have kobold demonoligists, later deep elf knights, fire crabs
00:56:01 <gammafunk> anything with infinite ranged (i.e. magic) attack/summons that also doesn't have blink
00:56:02 <nikheizen> fire crabs, yikes
00:56:13 <gammafunk> of which there are surprisingly few in the dungeon monster set!
00:56:24 <nikheizen> i like how rare fire crabs are
00:56:31 <gammafunk> most monsters that have ranged spells can also blink
00:57:15 <nikheizen> its really too bad player ghosts cant used ranged attacks
00:57:43 <checkers> here we go gammafunk
00:58:02 <gammafunk> checkers strats FeelsGoodMan
00:58:30 <gammafunk> oh, haha
00:58:33 <n1> nikheizen, another reason to make ghosts generic
00:58:35 <gammafunk> I see why you asked about no_tele_into
00:58:39 <checkers> the funny part is I was walking to the entry portal
00:58:44 <gammafunk> heh
00:58:46 <gammafunk> good
00:58:59 <gammafunk> no chance to buff
00:59:22 <checkers> i could have survived if I didn't run and enter more los probably
00:59:34 <gammafunk> yeah
00:59:38 <gammafunk> that all happened rather quickly
00:59:46 <gammafunk> no much consideration for each move
01:02:44 <nikheizen> What does -dev think about standardizing the "plus x to foo" rings/amulets to always have the same plusses?
01:03:35 <nikheizen> EV/AC/Slay -> +3, Int/Str/Dex -> +4, Reflection -> +5 or +6
01:05:54 <n1> do you think the benefit is so great? the diversity isn't obviously so bad to me
01:06:14 <n1> on the other hand I think I see the appeal, too, but maybe I'm missing something
01:08:41 <nikheizen> On one hand: I do like that you can find a +2 ring of ev and have that be really good for your character for a while; that's cool. On the other hand I get really annoyed by it being optimal to pick up and ID every ring of $STAT/amulet of reflection since I have a +5 one when +6 ones potentially exist.
01:12:10 <nikheizen> I also like the way other jewellery always "does this one exact thing."
01:23:00 <checkers> having to identify them is sort of annoying
01:31:30 <nikheizen> Could also be solved by removing ID and !Degen
01:32:33 <n1> do you want to change artefact properties to be similar?
01:33:07 <n1> actually I have no idea how stat rolls on artefacts work, are they from the same interval as the regular items?
01:33:39 <nikheizen> no you can get up to +10 or +12 was it
01:33:42 <nikheizen> i think +10
01:37:31 <johnstein> gammafunk, those qw runners suck and make me grumpy
01:38:35 <johnstein> I don't know the best way to deal with it. I don't have time for an arms/ip race
01:39:19 <johnstein> but in CBRO culture, we call that kind of thing "a dick move"
01:41:31 <nikheizen> definitely NOT rotato
01:42:18 <gammafunk> everyone should strive to be more rotato
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02:03:00 <checkers> !source magic_mapping
02:03:00 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/view.cc#L597
02:04:39 <checkers> !source new_level
02:04:40 <Sequell> 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/stairs.cc#L1037
03:23:01 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.21-a0-122-g43b3ea6 (34)
08:49:25 <advil> checkers: hm, ok, so that's not it [re stable builds & lock files]
08:50:04 <advil> under some circumstances an individual game itself can try to rebuild the (shared) des cache, and I'm not exactly sure what those are
08:50:23 <advil> (the reports I have recently are all stable)
08:50:53 <advil> but if more than one game does it at the same time, you'd get a lock file collision
08:53:24 <advil> I suppose if a game tries to open while another one is rebuilding, that could trigger another rebuild
08:53:44 <advil> really this whole locking thing seems to have been designed for a single player game
09:27:05 <advil> does anyone have any guesses about this msys build error: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/43b3ea631c2e18443e0830ff558709e8e9278633#commitcomment-23075903
09:33:24 <advil> ah it does appear as if mingw defines MOD_ALT and MOD_SHIFT
09:33:47 <advil> wonder why this error wouldn't have shown up before, I didn't intentionally change anything to do with platforms
10:11:28 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-123-g7964f6f: Rename a local tiles enum to something more specific 10(2 minutes ago, 13 files, 67+ 68-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7964f6f82f52
10:33:35 <advil> !source vault_placement::is_space
10:33:35 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc#L6846
10:33:46 <advil> "return NUM_FEATURES" looks really weird there
10:33:59 <advil> that would seem to return true for those cases?
10:51:52 <johnstein> advil, I confirmed the msys crash above. I'm now recompiling with latest master and I got past that part
10:52:24 <johnstein> advil, so maybe problem fixed? I have to leave for work so I won't know if the build successed till the end of the day
10:52:30 <johnstein> succeeded
10:52:33 <advil> thanks, yeah, the reporter also was able to get it to compile with that fix
10:52:41 <advil> no idea why the problem would show up now
10:53:09 <johnstein> I'm just happy that I was able to recreate the issue. that means I haven't screwed up my msys install yet
10:55:11 <advil> heh
10:55:46 <advil> oh I wonder if tilesdl.h was included before the relevant mingw include file before, and now it's included after
10:56:28 <advil> which would mean that the mingw values (set using #defines as far as I could tell) might actually override the crawl ones
10:59:08 <advil> hm, looks like is_space and is_exit are effectively never used
10:59:47 <advil> they're exported to lua and called a few times but the values they set are also never used that I can find
11:09:23 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-123-g7964f6f (34)
11:52:44 <johnstein> in "should have been obvious" news, once I realized how global variables worked I got my layout to behave.
11:54:23 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-124-gaf085ce: Don't crash on --builddb for tiles builds 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/af085ce007a3
11:54:23 <Cheibriados> 03advil02 07* 0.21-a0-125-gb006224: Make a constant bool explicit (and change its value) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b00622442ce4
11:54:47 <Rast--> nikheizen, that would be a big nerf
11:55:29 <advil> johnstein: well, I don't think the somewhat insane behavior of global variables in lua is all that obvious, especially when embedded in a vault preamble that way
11:55:32 <Rast--> you're right that the ID thing is annoying
11:55:38 <johnstein> :)
11:56:07 <johnstein> I'm just happy that I can change a line of code and see a change in game
11:58:28 <advil> that's always nice
11:58:49 <johnstein> that's a couple hours of my life I won't get back
11:59:16 <johnstein> it still remains to be seen if I can make the idea workable
11:59:29 <advil> I was sort of thinking of namespacing all that stuff in geoelf_castle, and I wonder how many other weirdnesses there are from totally global variables in dlua
12:09:14 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.21-a0-125-gb006224 (34)
13:14:06 <johnstein> advil: I'm thinking that I should take a stab at trying to generalize part of layout_geoelf_castle since being able to locate and surround a primary vault seems like something that shouldn't be buried in a random file
13:15:52 <amalloy> johnstein: what turned out to be the issue with the global variables?
13:16:13 <johnstein> that they are global global. not local global
13:16:50 <johnstein> I didn't realize the global prelude section at the top of all des files was a shared global
13:17:12 <johnstein> my test file duplicated global variables from the source
13:17:13 <amalloy> ah, you were conflicting with the debug settings in the real geoelf?
13:17:44 <johnstein> yea. along with all the other variables that wouldn't cause any change after editing them
13:17:51 <amalloy> right
13:18:11 <johnstein> ended up my original instinct was correct and the variable I thought I needed to tweak was the right one
13:19:18 <johnstein> just_crawl_things
13:22:11 <amalloy> i was excited today when something unusual happened. i changed something, and it broke only one test. and that test was validating the behaviour i had intended to change
13:22:47 <johnstein> a fine day!
13:23:31 <johnstein> my next task is to remove the code that creates the geoelf rooms then reimplement my subvault-idea
13:24:37 <johnstein> which is really just an alternative to the random geoelf rooms. I briefly considered trying to generalize the geoelf code to create distinct cryptic rooms but that seemed like it would have too much of a chance to still sometimes look like geoelf
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17:42:25 <Cheibriados> Conjure Flame: when it expires, monsters never move in right away to that tile even when attack delay is >1aut 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11147 by RoGGa
18:08:24 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.21-a0-125-gb006224 (34)
18:23:59 <Cheibriados> Flame Tongue vs Throw Flame: latter seems better at killing sleeping weaklings 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=11148 by RoGGa
19:41:49 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/570 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/570
19:41:49 <Cheibriados> 03Doesnt02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/570 * 0.21-a0-126-gcaa62d0: Don't let ghosts get racial fast speed or chaos brand 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/caa62d0a8dd8
19:59:44 <checkers> is chaos brand a problem really?
19:59:49 <checkers> I guess you can be banished by it
20:00:41 <minmay> no more than distortion surely
20:01:16 <checkers> that's what i'm thinking
20:01:37 <checkers> it would be nice to keep the ghost character itself more homogenous though imo
20:02:06 <checkers> why bother to pass through the level of rf if half of the resists are overwritten by the ghost default set
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