00:00:13 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-1122-gb7cbeb9 (34)
00:01:31 <alexjurkiewicz> the idea to say 'must have collected 3 runes with the god they ascend with' is good imo
00:01:50 <alexjurkiewicz> it prevents playing the game atheist and worshipping xom on the orb run ascent, for example
00:02:19 <hellmonk> what if I play atheist and swap to xom after clearing the runevault and then abandon
00:02:26 <hellmonk> after picking the rune
00:02:36 <Lightli> you're eating god wrath in that case
00:02:38 <alexjurkiewicz> that's true, it's still gameable
00:02:48 <Lightli> and xom wrath is generally worse than worshipping xom
00:02:49 <hellmonk> I'm just meming
00:02:49 <Lightli> ??xom wrath
00:02:50 <Sequell> xom wrath[1/3]: Abandonment: 50 penance. Retribution: Xom acts. (On average, this is worse than just worshipping Xom; but the worst case is the same, so if you are prepared to deal with Happy Xom you should be fine with Mad Xom)
00:03:03 <alexjurkiewicz> well, you could always clear everything, not pick up the runes, then worship xom, pick up the runes and immediately enter zot
00:03:14 <alexjurkiewicz> it would minimise time spent worshipping xom
00:03:41 <alexjurkiewicz> new idea: worship the god in the first x% of total turns, no god swaps
00:04:13 <hellmonk> but then I might have to press 5 a lot to extend my total turncount if I find a god late
00:04:19 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * week god.worship s=turn -graph:area
00:04:27 <Sequell> 8717 milestones for * (week god.worship): https://shalott.org/graphs/3a96a5030a8f72c2f91350e44cec8290c403b047.html
00:04:59 <hellmonk> I think it would be better to just say "must worship and can't abandon" or if you want to be generous "must be worshipping by the time you get rune 1, can't abandon afterwards"
00:05:01 <alexjurkiewicz> you could pick a suitable % to make sure people don't ever have to, but you could always sit on the d:1 staircase with the orb and press 5 eating permafood
00:05:38 <alexjurkiewicz> !lg * week won x=avg(turn) urune=3
00:05:39 <Sequell> 118 games for * (week won urune=3): avg(turn)=77316.09
00:06:08 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * week won god.worship / turn>20000
00:06:09 <Sequell> 43/233 milestones for * (week won god.worship): N=43/233 (18.45%)
00:06:28 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * week won god.worship urune=3 / turn>20000
00:06:28 <Sequell> 8/8 milestones for * (week won god.worship urune=3): N=8/8 (100.00%)
00:06:34 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * week won god.worship urune=3
00:06:35 <Sequell> 8. [2017-05-09 21:58:20] Dominolapin the Conqueror (L23 MiFi of The Shining One) became a worshipper of The Shining One on turn 45192. (Temple)
00:06:45 <alexjurkiewicz> wut
00:07:11 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * god.worship
00:07:26 <alexjurkiewicz> oh
00:07:28 <alexjurkiewicz> urune=3
00:07:39 <Sequell> 1558780. [2017-05-11 04:05:39] filthy the Insei (L7 DsMo of Makhleb) became a worshipper of Makhleb on turn 5310. (Temple)
00:07:41 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * week won god.worship lg:urune=3 / turn>20000
00:07:43 <Sequell> 1/91 milestones for * (week won god.worship lg:urune=3): N=1/91 (1.10%)
00:07:54 <alexjurkiewicz> !lm * week won god.worship lg:urune=3 turn>20000
00:07:56 <Sequell> 1. [2017-05-07 15:05:29] pedritolo the Brawler (L16 TrFi of Jiyva) became a worshipper of Jiyva on turn 26161. (Slime:5)
00:08:09 <alexjurkiewicz> damn, jiyva ruining my idea
00:08:30 <hellmonk> yeah, getting J points is already a pain in the ass
00:09:32 <hellmonk> nearly mandatory atheist game until lair:5 and very often later than that
00:12:19 <alexjurkiewicz> just the worst when you want to play a J game and there's no L altar
00:13:14 <hellmonk> yeah, I unironically did a slime troll game in the 0.18 tourney and got no L altar, felt awful
00:13:27 <hellmonk> did two runes and vaults, then dove slime with no mr items
00:46:46 <alexjurkiewicz> I wonder if anyone has played a serious slime troll who then transitions into a L9 spell caster
00:46:56 <alexjurkiewicz> thanks to stat shuffle
00:47:15 <alexjurkiewicz> !lg * tr j won thisyear max=int x=str,int fighter
00:47:16 <Sequell> No keyword 'j'
00:47:22 <alexjurkiewicz> !lg * tr jiyva won thisyear max=int x=str,int fighter
00:47:23 <Sequell> 4. [str=34;int=17] Honorknight4 the Heavyweight Champion (L27 TrFi of Jiyva), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2017-03-07 17:20:41, with 9630891 points after 180446 turns and 11:10:45.
00:47:37 <alexjurkiewicz> !lg * tr jiyva won thisyearwrecent max=int x=str,int fighter
00:47:37 <Sequell> No keyword 'thisyearwrecent'
00:47:42 <alexjurkiewicz> !lg * tr jiyva won recent max=int x=str,int fighter
00:47:54 <Sequell> 6. [str=11;int=22] Gerad the Sensei (L23 TrFi of Jiyva), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-11-08 02:49:56, with 2001424 points after 45565 turns and 3:35:58.
00:48:01 <alexjurkiewicz> disappointing, crawl community
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08:08:47 <Floodkiller> alright, all that's left for implementing locked stat gnolls is stop Ru from offering stat changing sacrifices and a good descriptor for the mutation screen
08:09:45 <Floodkiller> although the Ru thing is tricky because I don't want to ban Purity outright, just the stat lowering portions
08:31:10 <gammafunk> if I die because I fight an ocs and end up brainless
08:31:17 <gammafunk> then I'm pinning that one on you
08:36:22 <Floodkiller> okay, I found the section for Ru special cases, so that ones out of the way
09:19:21 <Floodkiller> I'll just call it 'unchanging stats' for now and let bikeshedding take care of it
10:54:54 <Floodkiller> oops, I forgot the Chei join message
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16:42:08 <minmay> j
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17:52:24 <Floodkiller> initial messing around with locked stat gnolls: most of the backgrounds have been doable to Temple with 5/5/5 (although I stripped off my scale mail on the Fi start)
17:53:01 <Floodkiller> however, blaster based book background suffer immensely; the fail rate on starter spells is similar to humans of the same background, but have worse spellpower than trolls
17:54:32 <Doesnty> gnoll seems like the last race to deserve bad stats
17:55:00 <Doesnty> it wants to be a generalist but low stats force one of medium armor or spells
17:55:10 <Doesnty> because it is incapable of skilling high enough to do both
17:55:33 <Floodkiller> Doesnty: this version is ditching the alternate skilling system for a different approach
17:55:50 <Floodkiller> it's just straight +3 aptitude with no gimmicks on the skilling at the moment
17:55:58 <Doesnty> i see
17:56:03 <Floodkiller> but the stats are locked to 5/5/5 with no way to improve temporarily or permanently
17:56:08 <Floodkiller> (numbers subject to change)
17:56:51 <Pinkbeast> Floodkiller: So the super hardcore can try Gn of Chei. ;-)
17:57:04 <Floodkiller> you still get all the other chei powers!
17:59:56 <Floodkiller> oh yeah, that reminds me that I need to remove the potion of might for GnFi since it is useless
18:00:38 <Doesnty> it still gives +1d10 to melee attacks does it not
18:00:42 <Doesnty> or however much it is
18:03:48 <Pinkbeast> And there might be an intermediate state with only long-term improvements impossible.
18:04:18 <Floodkiller> ...shit, I forgot that all the stat boost potions actually have alternative effects.  Time to go revert all those changes :(
18:05:27 <Doesnty> idea: remove the stat boosts from those potions
18:05:34 <Doesnty> so people quit making that mistake
18:17:25 <rumflump> I always forget that those things provide stat boosts
18:44:16 <gammafunk> stat boosts are real!
18:44:52 <gammafunk> yall are dead to stat death and I'm just laughin as I puck up those roons
18:45:10 <gammafunk> *pick up, this isn't hockey
18:51:53 <Floodkiller> here's the commit/branch in progress if anyone is interested in discussing it more: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ae3b124838a4c63964f405602b7e01b03b8b057d
18:52:15 <gammafunk> is there a PR?
18:52:19 <Floodkiller> once I'm done ironing out the bugs, I'll put it up for a PR
18:52:44 <Floodkiller> still having an issue with berserk intermittently turning strength blue (but not always)
18:53:33 <Floodkiller> I thought I cut it off with a modification to notify_stat_change, but it seems to be leaking through somewhere else
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19:36:52 <Floodkiller> ah, I found it: it's turning the stat blue if you have the effect and open a menu that forces a stat redraw
20:33:48 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/532 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/532
20:33:48 <Cheibriados> 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/532 * 0.20-a0-1123-g343db37: Replace Gnoll aptitude mechanic with locked stats 10(6 days ago, 16 files, 302+ 312-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/343db37dd99d
20:46:35 <gammafunk> it begins...
20:47:36 <Floodkiller> fresh ground for new memes
20:48:40 <Floodkiller> Gnoll's gimmick will actually be completely changing the base mechanics every couple of months
20:49:23 <gammafunk> redundant with the nem rework meme
20:49:28 <gammafunk> pull request therefore rejected
20:49:37 <geekosaur> memetic emetic
20:50:02 <Doesnty> lol
21:15:07 <gammafunk> ??eos
21:15:17 <Sequell> eos[1/1]: +11 unrandart morningstar, {elec, -Tele rElec SInv} In 0.19 it is +10 with {elec, Halo rElec}
21:15:53 <gammafunk> !learn add eos Before 0.19 it was a +11 morningstar, {elec, -Tele rElec SInv}
21:15:53 <Sequell> eos[2/2]: Before 0.19 it was a +11 morningstar, {elec, -Tele rElec SInv}
21:16:38 <gammafunk> !learn set eos[1] +10 unrandart morningstar with {elec, Halo rElec}
21:16:38 <Sequell> eos[1/2]: +10 unrandart morningstar with {elec, Halo rElec}
21:38:52 <minmay> %git :/Eos
21:38:52 <Cheibriados> 07Lasty02 * 0.19-a0-897-g1f98c38: Nerf Eos a little 10(10 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1f98c38c96db
21:39:33 <minmay> +11 to +12 to +10
21:39:59 <minmay> eos is the real mace of variability
21:43:20 <ProzacElf> indeed
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23:16:25 <alexjurkiewicz> hellmonk: hellcrawl idea: cap shop item prices at the player's current gold level when they enter the floor / the shop is generated
23:17:42 <hellmonk> changing shopgen based on player decisions seems weird, but I guess it does solve the annoyance of getting an unbuyable item
23:18:08 <alexjurkiewicz> ??reflection
23:18:08 <Sequell> reflection[1/2]: A shield of reflection will reflect blocked missiles back the way they came from. Note that if you worship a deity that frowns upon certain attacks, reflecting those attacks will not cause penance.
23:18:28 <alexjurkiewicz> hellmonk: it feels weir for vanilla crawl, but generating unaffordable items feels weird for hellcrawl
23:18:31 <alexjurkiewicz> ??reflection[2
23:18:31 <Sequell> reflection[2/2]: The spriggan defender reflects the flood of elemental water off its shiny buckler! The flood of elemental water misses you. Splash! You fall into the shallow water.
23:31:26 <alexjurkiewicz> bug report: you are told "a <monster> comes up the stairs" even if you can't see the stairs
23:32:31 <hellmonk> not sure how that is happening at all tbh
23:33:51 <hellmonk> or is that a regular crawl bug
23:47:50 <ProzacElf> a <monster> appears out of thin air!
23:48:04 <ProzacElf> is the normal msg if you can't see the stairs it came from
23:49:32 <CanOfWorms> I thought that was the message for a teleported monster
23:51:27 <ProzacElf> really?  it could be
23:51:49 <ProzacElf> i just always assumed it was random monster spawns that happened to appear in los
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