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Um... is this the place to ask for help with compiling? (64bit Cygwin: https://hastebin.com/voqeladuwu.pas) 12:07:36 I just updated stuff. Never got it compiled here before. I'm pretty sure I have all the necessary packages. 12:12:40 <|amethyst> oh, I guess Cygwin now has std::to_string 12:13:10 <|amethyst> that had been missing in earlier releases of the Cygwin STL, because of missing long double support I think 12:13:22 <|amethyst> and now that it is there, our workaround is broken 12:14:41 Ah...hmm...so does that mean I should be able to fix it relatively easy? I've only been dabbling in DCSS code since yesterday, but it shouldn't be that hard to make some substitutions 12:15:49 <|amethyst> AutofireII: in stringutil.h 12:15:52 <|amethyst> there is this line 12:16:02 <|amethyst> #if defined(TARGET_COMPILER_CYGWIN) && !defined(__MSYS__) 12:16:02 <|amethyst> try changing that to 12:16:12 <|amethyst> #ifdef _GLIBCXX_HAVE_BROKEN_VSWPRINTF 12:16:16 <|amethyst> see if it compiles with that 12:17:11 |amethyst, Seems like it's working so far! :D 12:25:35 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:30:27 -!- sour-sour has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:35:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-557-gaa2b1a6: Unbreak newer Cygwin builds (AutofireII) 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aa2b1a6a89b1 12:41:44 Er...I got another issue, right at the end of the compiling. https://hastebin.com/voqeladuwu.pas 12:42:06 <|amethyst> you pasted the same link 12:43:03 Whoops. https://hastebin.com/voqeladuwu.pas 12:43:16 <|amethyst> that's still the same link :) 12:43:26 It...wha? 12:43:27 <|amethyst> it still shows the std::to_string error in ability.o for me 12:43:42 That's bizarre. https://hastebin.com/siyajebacu.go 12:43:53 The url in Firefox *was* the same 12:44:13 But then going to the Twitter thing let me get the correct url 12:44:26 <|amethyst> huh 12:45:37 <|amethyst> !bug 9528 12:45:37 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9528 12:46:57 This may be important...it stated that it needed to rebuild sqlite but it didn't do anything. ( https://hastebin.com/deterogana.go ) I'll try what you suggested in the bug report. 12:47:29 <|amethyst> you don't need to apply that patch 12:48:05 <|amethyst> (it's already in trunk, and was the workaround you just have to undo) 12:48:11 <|amethyst> but try the sqlite3 version there 12:52:57 the sqlite3 version 'there'? As in, Cygwin's package? Or in Crawl? 12:53:03 <|amethyst> http://cyqlite.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/sqlite/raw/generic/sqlite3.c?name=83a26f4777390dbcfcc58ba146354002ca2de0c8 12:53:23 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:53:51 Makes my browser crash 12:53:54 <|amethyst> sorry, the bug I linked has a link to a mailing list article which itself links to that sqlite3 lib 12:53:57 nvm 12:53:57 <|amethyst> hm 12:54:22 Yeah, I found that, and then I tried following the link and then the browser crashed. But now your link seems to just make it hang before it loads it 12:54:32 ty, I 12:54:37 <|amethyst> hm, maybe try another browser? 12:54:45 <|amethyst> or wget or curl or something 12:55:01 <|amethyst> it's a replacement sqlite3.c 12:55:07 If I have anymore trouble, I'll try that. But ty I'll try it 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:07:16 *Radio voice* "Huston, we have execution." 13:07:50 <|amethyst> awesome! 13:09:21 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-557-gaa2b1a6 (34) 13:09:24 |amethyst: Thanks for your help! Now I can do some more code tweaking. (I like the sound system that DCSS has, but it's a little lacking; I thought I'd add a few extra things to it.) 13:09:42 <|amethyst> awesome :) 13:09:49 -!- panicbit2 is now known as panicbit 13:12:06 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:29 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:12:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-558-g437268c: Update sqlite3 submodule for Cygwin support (#9528). 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/437268c6ede5 13:18:18 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:16 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:31:53 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:35:46 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:38:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:50:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:52:01 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:18 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-558-g437268c (34) 14:11:11 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:12:21 Out of curiosity, why does crawl have to recompile so many whenever I make one change? I have ccache installed, and on my Debian computer I also had binutils-gold, but it still takes quite a while just to compile one small change. 14:13:28 what file are you making small changes to 14:14:38 ^ some small changes have big ramifications, especially in template-happy C++ 14:15:17 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:17:49 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:13 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Client Quit] 14:25:07 AutofireII: the real answer is: original sin 14:30:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32:01 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:32:51 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:33:57 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:20 Doesnty, geekosaur: I made a small change to AppHdr.h. I can see how that would cause a lot of things to be recompiled. 14:38:10 <|amethyst> AutofireII: in our Makefile we create and use dependency files (.d) that track which .o files depend (directly or indirectly) on which .h files 14:38:27 <|amethyst> so that if a header changes, we build everything that includes it 14:38:39 <|amethyst> and AppHdr.h is as you noticed included everywhere 14:39:51 <|amethyst> we do that because otherwise if you change struct layout, function calling conventions, etc., you can end up with something that links but crashes because two different .o files have different ideas of what goes where 14:40:09 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Quit: HELP WANTED: Telepath. You know who do call.] 14:40:39 <|amethyst> we also force a rebuild if you change compiler flags, for the same reason 14:57:31 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:57:44 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:53 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:03:12 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:06:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:07:21 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:08:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:10:05 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:13:58 thoughts on the race/role selection menu coloring combos that the player has already won? 15:26:24 -!- sneakynesss has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:32 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:34:12 Doesnty: currently crawl doesn't know about your past games 15:34:55 isn't there the logfile for that for offline? 15:37:49 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:38 Doesnty: it sounds like what you're suggesting is that the application would read through all local morgues and highlight species/roles that the current playername has winning morgues for? 15:39:58 it could do that 15:40:10 there's this file in saves called logfile though 15:40:16 which would probably be much easier to use 15:41:11 Oh, huh. I didn't know that was there. 15:41:36 I'm not against it, if it's not too ugly a patch 15:44:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:47:54 -!- adelrune has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:24 -!- AutofireII has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:09 -!- minmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:09 -!- minqmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:24 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:09:27 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:10 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:29:56 -!- Hampooj has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:33:07 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:30 does anyone have any idea why my git is trying to connect to gitorious when i run git pull / git submodule update? 16:33:43 also, my 'sqlite' contrib is dirty, and i'm not sure how to fix it 16:33:57 i really hate submodules. 16:34:47 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: you probably haven't updated the submodules since we switched to github 16:35:05 plausible 16:35:18 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: you can edit contrib/sqlite/.git/config and change the gitorious URLs to github URLs 16:35:36 once you init the submodules, there are entries in ~/.git/config that need to be adjusted. repointing the main repo doesn't touch these, and I couldn't find a git submodule thing that would either; I just edited the file 16:35:38 <|amethyst> then go to the top-level crawl directory and do git submodule update 16:35:55 (also those but I think those get fixed once the top level one is) 16:35:59 <|amethyst> I guess you could deinit and reinit? 16:36:11 i get permission denied 16:36:18 trying to edit that file 16:36:23 even with sudo, impressively 16:36:28 o.O 16:36:43 er, I did not mean ~/.git/config 16:36:50 I meant the .git in the main crawl checkout 16:36:58 i was responding to |amethyst 16:37:06 "sudo vim contrib/sqlite/.git/config" 16:37:09 "permission denied" 16:37:13 <|amethyst> oh, right, there too... I had to change both recently 16:37:18 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: what does ls -l say? 16:37:33 i rm -rf'd the directory and ran git submodule update --init 16:37:41 Nicholass-iMac:source nick$ git submodule update --init 16:37:43 fatal: unable to connect to gitorious.org: 16:37:44 gitorious.org[0: 64.13.172.37]: errno=Connection refused 16:37:58 <|amethyst> for that you need to edit the top-level .git/config as geekosaur said 16:38:00 and sqlite is full of whatever garbage again, so it's clearly fetching something 16:38:04 <|amethyst> the [submodule] sections 16:38:19 <|amethyst> hrm 16:38:27 submodules are such a painful hack... 16:38:34 <|amethyst> indeed 16:39:07 Pleasingfungus, the submodule is actually linked (symlinked?) into the main repo's .git somehow 16:39:28 so f you jusr remove it, git repopulates from that and then explodes becaue it still all points to gitorious 16:39:34 ../../.git/config seems to just point to the main directory 16:39:42 er, to crawl/crawl-ref/source 16:39:50 I had to figure this out a couple weeks ago because my local network was crapping out so much, lemme poke history 16:39:55 symlink, like you said 16:40:03 all i wanted was to add a comment and an assertion... 16:41:24 guh, I have everything but that in history somehow 16:43:12 cool, i can't build anymore 16:43:17 fucking git 16:43:38 .git/modules/crawl-ref/source/contrib 16:44:37 and fix the hostnames in the [submodules] section of .git/config, and then git submodule update --init 16:48:13 actually if you're redoing the whole thing just nuke .git/modules completely (or rename it out of the way if paranoid) 16:48:42 .git/modules/crawl-ref/source/contrib still seems to be a directory 16:48:50 i don't really understand what's going on at all 16:49:16 bash-3.2$ mv .git/modules/ .git/oldmodules 16:49:26 bash-3.2$ git status 16:49:26 fatal: Not a git repository: crawl-ref/source/contrib/fonts/../../../../.git/modules/crawl-ref/source/contrib/fonts 16:49:26 help me 16:49:41 also kill the symlinks in crawl-ref/source/contrib 16:50:02 (I suspected that was necessary also, but wasn't sure. when I was fighting the network I nuked both) 16:50:04 how? 16:50:14 just rm them 16:50:22 they're symlinks, they act like files for rm 16:50:24 i just nuked the directory 16:50:45 this doesn't seem to have helped anything 16:50:47 the contrib directory itself needs to exist 16:51:27 oh, there was a lot of other stuff in there too that needs to not be removed, sigh 16:51:32 which is why just nuke the symlinks 16:52:11 I think: git checkout crawl-ref/source/contrib 16:52:24 which should restore everything but the submodule symlinks 16:53:06 however I don't know what else you've done and you may have confused something else in the interim, and there comes a point where git is too confused to figure it out :/ 16:53:13 i did that and it's still fucked 16:53:35 same error? (which sounds wrong if you cleared it) 16:53:43 still trying to connect to gitorious, plus now it can't clone fonts 16:53:51 so slightly different 16:54:01 ok, that sounds like the .git/config part 16:54:21 i still have the old .git/config around 16:54:35 er, .git/modules 16:54:44 that needs to be re-removed after each attempt 16:55:36 otherwise it just tries to resume whatr it was trying before instead of looking at what you changed 16:56:02 i give up 16:56:05 i tried again 16:56:15 let's see if a fresh clone works 16:56:23 otherwise i guess my time as a crawl dev is over 16:56:42 |amethyst: i'm blaming you for all of this, btw 16:57:18 |amethyst is linus torvald's alter ego 16:57:40 he's also the one who fucked with the submodules :P 16:58:05 i agree though: git makes a ton of sense to me, except every time i touch submodules it's just a complete mystery 16:58:23 okay, i get the exact same error with a fresh clone 16:58:24 like I said, they're a terrible hack 16:58:28 !tell |amethyst please fix submodules 16:58:28 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 16:58:31 a clever hack, but still a terrible hack 16:58:32 i'm done 16:58:39 geekosaur: clever hacks are the worst kind! 16:59:20 actually, hm 16:59:21 i wonder 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:44 Kernighan's comment about "clever" applies 17:00:54 "Everyone knows that debugging is twice as hard as writing a program in the first place. So if you're as clever as you can be when you write it, how will you ever debug it?" 17:01:21 exactly 17:01:43 !tell |amethyst nevermind, i have it vaguely functional 17:01:44 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 17:01:55 i wasn't actually in the freshly cloned repo... 17:02:07 i'll leave the old one around in case in need the branches 17:02:10 *in case I 17:02:22 would be nice if i could migrate them over somehow 17:02:25 sort of a weird use case 17:03:17 Pleasingfungus: git push --all ../other-repo 17:04:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-559-g895a516: Minor swap_with_monster() notes 10(24 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/895a516c7f3b 17:04:35 oh, hm, probably not because it's not bare 17:04:53 i dunno man 17:04:55 no, that worked 17:04:57 i think 17:05:02 yeah 17:05:03 sick 17:05:04 cool 17:05:08 ty! 17:05:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:05:44 all my old, valuable branches, like '7-pronged sword' 17:06:14 'i have no good idea for what this should do, but i want to use the old tile' 17:14:53 -!- minqmay has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:08 j 17:20:15 <|amethyst> ITYM "candelabrum of blades" 17:20:16 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:21:45 polydent :p 17:24:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:28:29 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:21 based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven-Branched_Sword#/media/File:Chiljido.jpg 17:29:32 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:59 and, more specifically, on its appearance in cult classic game *Okami*, where it acts as something of a lightning rod 17:31:15 that's a cactus :p 17:32:02 -!- MIC132 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:31 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:55 <|amethyst> I guess "coat rack of blades" then 17:36:48 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:38:29 -!- matp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:13 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:16 heh 17:41:33 crawl trivia: there is currently exactly one way to permanently destroy a web trap 17:41:35 i think 17:46:23 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:47:10 -!- sneakynesss has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:49:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:53:12 oh, no, two ways. and one is actually kind of abuesable! 17:53:14 *abuseable 17:53:34 hm, finding lots of good bugs here 17:53:39 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:53:45 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: hm, will a nymph do it? 17:53:50 don't believe so 17:54:07 hint: one spell, one god ability 17:54:13 <|amethyst> ah, wasn't sure if the temporary terrain markers could store traps 17:54:16 one of them is tomb card i'm guessing? 17:54:17 (though there's no particular reason you'd be able to guess) 17:54:23 <|amethyst> upheaval? 17:54:30 temp terrain is the wrong direction 17:54:34 -!- rumflump has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:37 not what i'm thinking of, anyway 17:54:40 would be interesting to test 17:54:48 if temp terrain destroys traps, there are lots of things :) 17:54:57 phial of floods doesn't seem to 17:55:03 <|amethyst> does Draw Out Power destroy the web? 17:55:05 yep 17:55:11 -!- AngelaSmythe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:17 lol 17:55:19 that's the god ability i was thinking of 17:55:25 <|amethyst> hm, not sure about the spell 17:57:19 want me to tell? 17:57:48 <|amethyst> sure, it's either that or I grep 17:57:56 oh, i found it 17:58:02 dragon form, right 17:58:32 he wins! 17:58:37 one prize for each of you 17:58:49 <|amethyst> ah, and I guess !lig doesn't anymore, because it keeps your size 17:58:52 <|amethyst> (rip goodbug) 17:58:56 :(\ 17:59:02 i don't think it destroyed webs even then 17:59:21 <|amethyst> oh, this is something specific to dragon form, not just the size? 17:59:41 yep 17:59:55 <|amethyst> nice 18:00:00 dragon form and one other form both have special handling for entering the form while webbed 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:12 <|amethyst> jelly? 18:00:21 <|amethyst> or wisp 18:00:23 sadly, no 18:00:27 both would be good candidates tho 18:00:30 spider. 18:00:34 <|amethyst> aha 18:00:34 lol 18:01:21 swap_with_monster() is buggy as hell, also 18:01:25 when it comes to net/web interactions 18:01:29 very very xomcode 18:03:25 any vaults in particular needing work or new branch ends? 18:03:26 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:03:57 I'm hankering for something creative to do and with Grunt gone I've lost my Vaulting mentor 18:04:27 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:51 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 18:05:02 it'd be cool to have a Salt variant. big project, obviously 18:05:25 could make work on tomb subvaults? idk, not sure what's in these days 18:05:54 I was working on a modular subvault crypt end but it got complicated 18:06:12 I shouldn't touch tomb since I'm too scared to play it 18:06:28 haha 18:06:45 I did a TON of research on crypt ends 18:07:08 I wanted to add a new layout that was compatible with the non encompass ends 18:07:20 since the only one being used now is city 18:07:36 -!- devesine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:07:49 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:07:59 which means you get one of the 4 (boringish) encompass vaults or a generic city end 18:08:26 regret-index seemed to imply crypt ends were not a high priority 18:08:29 -!- devesine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:34 this was months ago 18:08:39 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:39 ??salt 18:08:40 desolation[1/1]: A portal vault added in 0.19, featuring open areas with vision blocking clouds and non-living enemies. 18:08:45 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:45 i don't think much has changed there 18:08:47 wrt crypt 18:08:56 so that sounds like a good project 18:08:57 oh. forgot about oubliette. is that a thing yet? 18:09:06 it creeps along 18:09:08 whenver dpeg has time 18:09:20 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-559-g895a516 (34) 18:09:48 one of my crypt ideas was either generalizing geo-elf to produce distinct crypt layouts or make a brand new one 18:10:06 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:20 obviously it would have to look cryptic 18:10:41 heh 18:11:52 !tell lasty opinion on a farewell message for ru? since he has no wrath and no special good god 'farewell' messages... 'bids you a sad farewell'? 18:11:53 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 18:16:18 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:31 Pleasingfungus: Ru gladly sacrifices his least devoted follower. 18:16:33 -!- mobydollar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:16:48 lmao 18:17:07 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: IMO no "sad", that's anthropomorphising 18:17:18 gods have emotions 18:17:20 trog has wrath 18:17:35 <|amethyst> but Ru is this cosmic master type 18:17:38 ru is a bit more of a mystic god, yeah 18:17:43 <|amethyst> and has transcended emotion 18:18:09 -!- ArseElementalist has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:18:14 Your departure makes Ru glad he sacrificed Emotion centuries ago. 18:18:20 glad...! 18:18:49 it turns out he was wrong, emotion was inside him all along 18:20:52 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: "Hepliaqlkana bids you a sad farewell. Thanks for the memories!" 18:20:57 hahaha 18:21:36 <|amethyst> s/qlk/klq/ 18:21:41 <|amethyst> keeps lacking quality 18:21:57 - 18:21:57 -+ 18:21:57 +- 18:21:58 augh, damn cat 18:22:05 my cat typed the exact same thing earlier today 18:22:10 <|amethyst> damn diff I'd say 18:22:10 beasts of a feather 18:23:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:40 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-560-g058ffa7: Temporary webs & web cleanup 10(2 minutes ago, 9 files, 84+ 43-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/058ffa71edcb 18:28:46 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:28:51 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 18:29:22 someone in here suggested making webs destroyed when you leave em, rather than temp terrain 18:29:26 possibly Doesnty? i forget 18:29:41 anyway, ty to whoever that was, it was a better approach than what i was thinking of 18:31:03 i'm pretty sure it wasn't me 18:31:45 possibly steelneuron 18:31:46 who can say 18:31:57 -!- harambe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:32:31 was dpeg the other day i think, re using jumping spiders to create traps for things or something 18:32:31 MarvinPA: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:33:25 it was a reddit person 18:33:28 dpeg linked to it 18:33:36 aha 18:33:38 i'd already seen it, and it reminded me to make the change 18:33:56 i'd been planning something like it for a while, but it seemed like a pain... 18:33:56 (and it kind of was!) 18:36:17 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:04 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:42:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-561-gbef0b80: Give a memorization warning for Ozo's 10(22 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bef0b804aa3c 18:46:34 -!- Zeor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:44 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:48:03 -!- Rotatell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:48:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-562-g11c6ccf: Try to clarify Divine Shield description 10(46 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/11c6ccfe6c84 18:49:10 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49:17 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 18:52:21 a normal, physical shield (or a normal magical forcefield from an amulet shield) 18:54:55 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:22 those also act like normal physical shields. 19:00:34 to the point that getting caught in a web, constricted, etc shuts them down. 19:00:37 it's complicated 19:02:21 right, but who's to say it's the physical shields that are the normal ones there! 19:02:25 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:51 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:26 that's deep 19:05:07 also had you thought about using actual temp terrain for the web thing, or is that a pain to implement? having them expire with time feels potentially better 19:05:48 that was my first thought 19:05:55 but it seemed like it might be a technical minefield 19:06:00 and also a bit more complex / less intuitive, maybe 19:07:05 maybe, i think both are probably fairly similarly unintuitive since there's nothing visually distinguishing them 19:07:39 the current version has the advantage of immediacy 19:07:40 and the original problem was people (hypothetically?) making sure to manually destroying webs to clear areas which would still be sort of a problem with this style of temp web 19:07:51 no 19:07:52 s/destroying/destroy/ 19:08:03 well 19:08:10 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:08:14 i forgot that monsters can die 19:08:19 so i guess that's still a problem 19:08:19 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:08:33 but other than that, these webs are always created directly on a creature, so they kind of take care of themselves 19:08:39 monsters dying is an issue, though. hm 19:08:41 oh i see, yeah 19:08:53 solution: remove mortality 19:09:05 preventing monsters from dying definitely sounds like it fixes all possible problems here 19:09:21 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-562-g11c6ccf (34) 19:09:25 Lasty: if you're still wondering, no worries about the zealot's sword name at all. Although I feel like any rename would satisfy the complainers somehow, so in that sense I'm against further renames 19:09:36 lmao 19:09:36 spite-based dev 19:09:45 !tell hellmonk hell crawl will be updated in 1hr 19:09:46 alexjurkiewicz: OK, I'll let hellmonk know. 19:10:16 it would be nice if monster_die() wasn't a thousand lines long 19:12:10 -!- MgDark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:12:34 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-563-g5b6a9c6: Refactor bolt::nasty_to() 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 26+ 37-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5b6a9c6aa6a7 19:12:34 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-564-g874d44d: Don't make Beckoning anger allies (Yermak) 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/874d44d5de58 19:14:13 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:05 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:08 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:18:25 ??rebuild 19:18:26 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:18:26 rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 19:20:49 Pleasingfungus: re: Ru goodbye message, I feel like Ru isn't particularly emotional. Maybe "You sense Ru's indifference to your seduction by the illusory world." 19:20:49 Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:21:06 that seemed to be the channel consensus 19:21:11 there were some good jokes too 19:21:20 alexjurkiewicz: I wasn't thinking the sword rename would appease anyone, I just thought it sounded better. 19:21:46 Pleasingfungus: I'll go back and read it more carefully 19:22:27 haha 19:22:37 don't get your hopes too high, now 19:22:59 My hopes are dashed. One good joke! :'( 19:23:49 r i p 19:32:45 Experimental (hellcrawl-cbro) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-2092-g4c307c3 19:35:28 is the current rate of crawl forks about historically average? 19:35:41 Over the past year, there has been dcss-ca, gnollcrawl, and hellcrawl 19:36:13 brb hosting the other two forks 19:36:21 ??gnollcrawl 19:36:22 gnollcrawl[1/4]: You are always level 1 and every enemy is a gnoll. In other words, it's exactly like regular crawl. Playable on {cpo}. 19:36:37 hm 19:37:12 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-565-g47d38b1: Cleanup webs for dead monsters 10(31 seconds ago, 5 files, 30+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/47d38b1b574e 19:37:18 alexjurkiewicz: i'd say higher than average 19:37:38 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 19:45:40 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:48:24 Experimental (cyno-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-553-gbaa0004 19:50:55 alexjurkiewicz: the only other one I've been aware of was CrawlLite 19:56:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:56:03 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:06 ??bcrawl 20:03:06 bcrawl[1/5]: planned features: rn-, level 6 evap, arachnetaur, yred revenant gifts, water magic, perma-enslave, imp race, dual wielding, fruit reform, blinkitis, fe^nem unique, felid monsters in general, bdsm god, jotunn race, revival of dj, undead can worship good gods, tree race that can't use 1h weapons, acid brand, un-unranding salamander hide 20:03:10 there are a few entries like this 20:03:21 are they sort of more wishlists than something with code? 20:03:27 that's a ##crawl "meme" 20:03:55 ??ehe 20:03:55 ehe[1/1]: dcss with mountain dwarfs, see https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe 20:04:17 that's one that existed for a short time 20:04:55 extremely good example of "everything that was removed before i started playing was good to remove, but everything removed since i started playing was bad to remove" 20:05:09 :) 20:08:34 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:08:47 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 20:09:15 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-565-g47d38b1 (34) 20:10:01 -!- filthy has quit [Quit: please don't look for me] 20:10:16 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:12:53 -!- jcd748 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:22:36 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:34:15 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:53 as i was going to say before i had to leave 20:35:55 ehe is the only fork i remember between when i started playing (late 2013?) and dcss-ca 20:36:47 iirc the last fork before ehe was... crawl light? circa late 2011 20:37:22 so yeah, definitely more forks recently, though there's not too much in common between them 20:42:59 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:46:03 the above was directed @ alexjurkiewicz 20:46:38 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:47:37 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:56:26 -!- AutofireII has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:50 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-566-g1f986f1: Add frog shout verbs (Haifisch) 10(41 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1f986f143608 21:09:40 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:18:32 channel poll: is it a bug that monsters will still attempt to paralyse you (with spells) while you're already paralysed? 21:18:38 yes 21:18:44 we already check if a spell is going to be useful, right? 21:18:47 ssssort of 21:19:08 we allow other re-hexes, e.g. casting slow on slowed players (which does increase the duration, potentially) 21:19:26 would re-paralysis increase duration? 21:19:27 and having monsters be smarter *is* a difficulty knob that we don't necessarily want to turn all the way up 21:19:29 no 21:19:32 it does nothing 21:19:37 fairly certain 21:19:55 i think sleep and hibernation are in more or less the same state 21:20:00 we definitely wouldn't want it to start increasing para duration 21:20:04 yes 21:20:05 yeah 21:20:11 Well I vote it's a bug 21:20:30 oh, hm 21:20:31 I think monsters try to confuse and mesmerize you when you ahve clarity 21:20:33 this is interesting 21:20:45 i'm wrong 21:20:49 it *sometimes* increases paralysis duration 21:20:53 i think 21:20:53 O.o 21:20:58 I really hope not 21:20:59 !source player::paralyse 21:21:00 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L6795 21:21:09 the bit starting with "str *= BASELINE_DURATION" 21:21:11 -!- Guest55228 has quit [Changing host] 21:21:11 -!- Guest55228 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:21:13 -!- Guest55228 is now known as bh 21:21:25 Pleasingfungus, FR remove Cantrip spell 21:21:31 why 21:21:35 surely that's not reached 21:21:42 due to 6810 21:21:50 oh, hm 21:21:55 yeah 21:22:02 makes 6828 a bit odd too 21:22:21 Rast: why do you hate players, rast? 21:22:27 the earlier check was maybe added more recently, when paralyse immunity became a thing at all 21:22:43 i'd go with "not technically a bug but maybe a good thing to change anyway" 21:22:47 Pleasingfungus I'm a player myself. 21:23:11 I thought cantrip was replaced with monster miscasts, except for things like gastronok flavour 21:23:46 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-567-gab3eba1: Improve death messages from invisible paralysers 10(36 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab3eba18e9f6 21:23:53 Pleasingfungus, I assume when you devs get together in the double secret dev channel its basically like a 24/7 loop of the Agent Smith rant about humans 21:23:53 grinder's probably the only case where it's especially noticeable, could adjust spell frequency there to make it not be a big nastiness increase 21:23:53 Rast: why do you hate yourself, rast? 21:23:53 except s/humans/players/ 21:24:05 ;) 21:24:27 geekosaur: the spell Cantrip still exists, it just has different messages 21:25:11 orc priests and wizards, what else? 21:25:41 i think those and gastronok 21:25:48 (who has his own messages, as discussed) 21:26:16 ah, also kobold demonologists... and maybe sigmund? 21:26:17 @??sigmund 21:26:18 Sigmund (08@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 24-35 | AC/EV: 2/11 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 223 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), throw flame (3d5), confuse, invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 21:26:20 no 21:26:29 can't remember the # of his orc wizard spellbook 21:31:11 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:52 -!- JoeltCo has quit [Quit: Quitting] 21:37:40 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 21:38:24 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:43:09 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:28 FR: Kobold mixologists 21:44:32 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:45:08 !send Lasty pastamancers 21:45:08 Sending pastamancers to Lasty. 21:45:49 kobold mixologists and discomancers 21:45:52 perfect for any party 21:46:16 disco pan does need a couple new monsters.. 21:47:55 Legends say that Killer Klown can really bring it on the dance floor... 21:47:59 *Klowns 21:51:38 -!- meff` has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:39 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:06 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:17 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-567-gab3eba1 (34) 22:11:18 oh boy, apparently 'hexers are the best ancestor' is Crawl Wiki Canon 22:14:07 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:35 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:48 hexers are the only one with paralyse, so it's gotta be true 22:19:42 do the math 22:21:13 -!- Boatshow has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:30:47 I'm glad that the crawl wiki is right for once 22:30:58 it's about time 22:34:56 . . . but not about that 22:35:47 Lasty: how strong is Cheibriados, the god? 22:36:07 ^ basic sanity test before futher discussion is allowed 22:36:22 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:21 gammafunk: overall, weak. In the early game terrible, in the mid-to-late game, strongish 22:37:49