00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:04 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-544-g2b9a704 (34) 00:07:47 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:04 Stable (0.19) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19.4-0-gc28e2e0 00:09:06 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:20 -!- Jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:20:55 -!- dextar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:22:53 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:24:05 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:02 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-19-4-bugfix-release 00:39:50 can't wait for platform X, specific configuration Y users to report that this causes mouse buttons to not work 00:40:15 -!- meff` has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:26 I found the Dvorak and Colemak keybinding files broken because they referred to commands that were removed in previous changes. 00:42:26 I went ahead and fixed both of them, but I was wondering if you guys would be open to tooling to ensure that the keybinding files do not become invalidated due to a change in the set of commands. 00:42:26 I can get a PR up with the tool once I have it done, but don't want to work on it if you guys won't use it/have any need for it. 00:42:32 sorry for the copy/paste from ##crawl I was lazy :P 00:44:59 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:39 meff`: would this be something that gets run as part of the make? 00:49:27 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:52:49 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:53:42 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:48 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:35 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:18 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:04:14 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:04:45 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:37 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:22 gammafunk: whenever you want to run it, but I was thinking of having it run as a ci test 01:10:01 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19.4-0-gc28e2e0 (34) 01:13:45 gammafunk: so that you can detect when a PR breaks compatibility of the keybindings 01:15:36 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:16:37 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:18:46 oh, I see what you mean 01:18:57 not a tools to create the keybindings, just a test to ensure we find out 01:19:05 when they're broken 01:19:12 sounds pretty reasonable 01:19:41 I'm not super well-versed in how travis runs though 01:21:42 it's just going to be a perl script, like your other utilities 01:22:06 I don't know Perl super well but hacked on it for a few months ... a few years ago, so I should be able to pull up enough to write a tool to do this 01:25:45 perl... 01:34:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 01:41:36 gammafunk: I would prefer not to write perl 01:41:40 is there a better thing I can use? 01:41:52 it's just that the tooling is already in Perl 01:42:05 if I use Python it would bring in a new dependency. I could write it in Lua? 01:42:26 I can do it in shell and most of the logic will be easy, but some of the logic will be nasty 01:42:30 up to you guys 01:44:40 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:35 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:50:32 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:04 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:11:55 meff`: for ci purposes I think python would be fine 02:12:03 python is a dependency for the webserver 02:12:08 *webtiles server 02:12:12 oh fantastic, okay 02:12:14 thank god :P 02:13:45 -!- Mindiell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:50 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:31 -!- eb_ has quit [] 02:21:05 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:13 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 02:28:32 -!- Ratatosk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:39 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:40:45 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:10 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:04 !tell MarvinPA Good points. I think I've come to a satisfying solution for now. The ultimate will have two different buttons, Heavenly Blade (which only gives you melee weapons, and only if you can equip it) and Heavenly Assault (which as you suggested, only gives you an aura with +Slay and Momentum). They can't be combined. 03:02:04 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 03:03:05 !tell MarvinPA The former can fail if you don't have room or wield problematic/cursed stuff (or straight up not exist if you're a felid) but there's always the second one as a fallback. 03:03:05 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 03:07:47 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-548-gfa10ab5: Remove Claustrophobia 10(in the future, 10 files, 2+ 94-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fa10ab5d9102 03:12:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:16:06 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:16:35 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:19:16 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:24 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:37 Experimental (councilgod-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-548-gfa10ab5 03:30:41 -!- Danei[notDanei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36:39 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19.4-0-gc28e2e0 03:39:03 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:41:09 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49:47 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-544-g2b9a704 (34) 03:58:41 -!- Leszczynek has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:38 hello. can someone help me because i'm really getting lost in the code? 04:01:03 it's about damage calculation 04:02:23 i'm bad at C++, so maybe i simply don't understand something basic 04:03:00 anyway, melee_attack::handle_phase_hit() calls melee_attack::calc_damage() which in turn calls attack::calc_damage() 04:03:42 there, if the attacker is player, somewhere along damage calculation attack::player_apply_misc_modifiers is called 04:03:54 except that function, method or whatever it's called, is empty 04:05:13 there's a similarly named method, melee_attack::player_apply_misc_modifiers, and that one isn't empty, it has might, berserk and starving effects calculated in 04:05:16 as expected 04:06:11 the problem is the melee_attack one is used only for aux attacks and minotaur retaliation and the empty attack one is used for normal damage calculation 04:06:33 so is +dam from might and berserk missing from standard attacks? 04:07:16 or did i simply get lost and i'm missing something obvious? 04:07:35 thanks in advance for any help, i'll be idling around 04:08:44 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09:07 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:15:46 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:17:39 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 04:18:23 !tell MarvinPA: Nevermind. I've found a much better solution for this. You'll see. I think you'll be on board with this one :) 04:18:24 Sorry SteelNeuron, I don't know who marvinpa: is. 04:18:31 !tell MarvinPA Nevermind. I've found a much better solution for this. You'll see. I think you'll be on board with this one :) 04:18:32 SteelNeuron: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 04:25:27 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:26:47 !source attack::player_apply_misc_modifiers 04:26:47 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/attack.cc#L1156 04:27:05 Leszczynek: attack::player_apply_misc_modifiers is virtual, and melee_attack derives from attack, so when you call player_apply_misc_modifiers on an object of type attack* or attack&, and that attack is actually a melee_attack, it dispatches to the code for melee attacks 04:27:41 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:28:21 ie, an object whose static type is attack* or attack&, but which points to a melee_attack at runtime 04:28:50 ok, thanks 04:28:55 that's why i'm bad at c++ :) 04:28:57 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:29:38 i only ever learned a bit of c# as a hobby in the past, and you don't have header files there 04:30:10 it's the same as polymorphic dispatch in c#, except that it only actually happens if the method is marked virtual 04:30:26 whereas in c# it happens *unless* the method is marked sealed, or final or something 04:36:47 -!- epsik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:58:11 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:40 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 05:02:48 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:06:55 -!- yeeve has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:10:38 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:38 -!- Rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21:59 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 05:22:32 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 05:27:10 -!- DubDrop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:30:34 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:01:08 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:02:45 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:08:45 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09:58 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:29:03 Volvano entry flooded in flames 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10923 by Le_Nerd 06:29:09 -!- rumflump has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:30:26 !tell |amethyst should we be using the 'override' modifier for our overriding functions in derived classes now? like Leszczynek brought my attention to melee_attack::player_apply_misc_modifiers, which seems to me like it ought to have an override now that that exists 06:30:26 amalloy: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 06:37:47 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:39 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:53:47 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:09 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:43 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:20:24 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:11 -!- DubDrop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:23:10 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:26:10 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:27:50 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:07 -!- bgiannan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7] 07:41:34 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:12 -!- bgiannan has quit [Client Quit] 07:44:00 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:45 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13:36 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:14:09 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:16:12 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:13 PlatinumSpider (L14 FeMo) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Orc:2) 08:19:22 PlatinumSpider (L14 FeMo) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Orc:2) 08:19:54 PlatinumSpider (L14 FeMo) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Orc:2) 08:22:02 PlatinumSpider (L14 FeMo) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Orc:1) 08:22:34 PlatinumSpider (L14 FeMo) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Orc:1) 08:29:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:32:04 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:51 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:36:06 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:45 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:38:55 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:37 PlatinumSpider (L13 FeMo) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Orc:1) 08:40:01 PlatinumSpider (L13 FeMo) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Orc:1) 08:40:05 oh dear god 08:40:28 PlatinumSpider (L13 FeMo) ASSERT(!you.melded[slot]) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 57 failed. (Orc:1) 08:40:40 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:43:48 -!- kebab has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:44:40 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:45:43 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:46:16 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:41 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:35 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 08:47:42 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:25 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:50:32 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:34 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 08:58:00 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:33 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:28 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:51 No abyss portal 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10924 by Ololoev 09:11:30 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:12:06 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:34 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:17:28 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:30 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:10 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:14 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:42 -!- advil has quit [Quit: I'm outta here] 09:48:06 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:50:16 -!- Guest60597 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:52:51 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:05 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:04:09 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:14 ^ brings to my attention that i don't think i have admin on cxc, so even if ololololoeov had included a save dump i wouldn't be able to investigate it. can someone give me admin there? 10:06:33 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:46 medar might be able to 10:08:53 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:34 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:28 i guess the game is over so it's impossible to create a save backup 10:12:47 amusingly the lack of an abyss portal did not keep our intrepid hero from thetting the abyssal rune before dying, via pan 10:17:06 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:11 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:48 -!- Danei[notDanei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:35 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:54 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 10:31:31 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 10:31:31 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:56 MarvinPA: Just pushed my (hopefully definitive) fix to IJC's ultimate 10:35:06 It's a much simpler solution, hadn't thought of it before 10:35:42 If you're wielding a weapon, it gets replaced by a heavenly one of the same type, and you can't unwield for the duration (anything that would force unwield, like transform, would stop the duration) 10:36:07 If you weren't wielding a weapon (or were wielding a launcher) you instead get an aura that provides a similar slay + momentum boost 10:36:38 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-549-g8fc3cf9: Rework Heavenly Assault to weapons/aura 10(in the future, 14 files, 136+ 214-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8fc3cf961688 10:36:38 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-550-g189980f: Ability description fix 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/189980f015c9 10:36:52 If you were wielding problematic stuff (vamp, distort, etc) you will be prompted to unwield. If you don't, it will fail. 10:36:58 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:06 This ties it all together I think, and works on a full inventory 10:37:16 because you only ever get something if you had something to swap out for it 10:39:08 cats and transformed characters will just get the aura, so that's good (and you can't cheat by getting the aura first and then wielding something, because you're prevented from wielding through the whole duration anyway) 10:40:07 This is all a fairly detailed explanation, but in the front end it reads as "Get a divine replacement for your melee weapon, or a powerful offensive aura if you weren't wielding one" pretty much 10:40:34 divine fists of fury 10:40:34 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:06 looks like an improvement, although i think the aura alone is still a much better solution 10:41:22 since there's still a whole bunch of fiddly special-casing 10:42:59 There is a bit of a balance problem with that 10:43:06 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:13 I tried that but... I really don't want it to be arbitrarily combined with weapon brands 10:43:33 it's not only about flavour, it's the fact that some aura-weapon combinations are pretty broken 10:43:48 although flavour is a factor too I suppose :) 10:45:08 i mean if all it does is +slaying and momentum, i don't see how that's particularly broken with any arbitrary brand compared to the selection of brands that the existing weapons have 10:46:19 I'm mostly thinking about vamp and some unrands here 10:46:34 -!- equivobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:00 you can AoE much more effectively than with axes so Vamp really does make you immortal for the duration 10:47:23 I don't want to turn the offensive boost into a defensive boost 10:47:38 the idea is that you are compelled to jump in there and fight, but you're still liable to get killed 10:47:52 vamp sort of removes the second part 10:48:05 unrands seem like a non-issue, and giving a bunch of bonus damage plus a speed weapon already means you're going to just kill everything really fast without taking damage in the first place 10:48:31 vamp weapons remain good but so does dealing a billion damage 10:48:48 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:48 There's another point 10:48:57 which is that I balance them differently 10:49:05 the slay bonus for unarmed has to be much smaller than for weapon users 10:50:05 because of natural weapons and unarmed scaling insanely with slay anyway 10:50:18 otherwise UC is the only trivial choice 10:50:57 if I use the aura for everything, I would have to special case it anyway depending on what you're wielding, and then forbid you from changing your wield choice or adapting the slay bonus based on that 10:51:11 which is equally bad I think 10:51:23 -!- equivobot has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:51:37 i guess i'm increasingly unconvinced by the merits of the ability in general 10:52:21 I think you're being a bit too harsh on this one. I don't think it's a hard to understand effect at all, and it's relatively balanced now 10:52:22 since functionally it boils down to long-duration slaying+momentum, with a bunch of flavour that results in the mechanics of that simple thing being really complicated 10:54:06 Well, the reason why I'm pushing to keep it weapon based is entirely due to feedback from people testing it 10:54:44 even though you're right that the effect boils down to that, people have been really insistent that they like the fact that it comes from a weapon you're given, that they find that refreshing 10:54:49 also 15 slaying is a lot of slaying, if that's the number you think is appropriate for unarmed i definitely don't see any reason weapons would need any more than that 10:55:16 15 is a bit placeholdery, I was thinking of bringing it down to 10 10:55:58 in fact... Thanks for bringing that up :) 10:56:38 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:16 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-551-g33d3b0e: Reduce aura slaying bonus 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/33d3b0e25108 10:57:18 I will see how this works out, anyway... And will think of other solutions. But regardless of that, this push fixes that obnoxious bug that has been crashing games these past few hours 10:57:19 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:57:30 so I'd appreciate a ??rebuild, if only to stop the crash spam :) 10:58:24 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 10:59:33 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11:45 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:12:02 -!- SteelNeuron_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:44 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-552-g4f50ea6: Clear swapped out weapon flag 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4f50ea662ac8 11:13:02 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:13:39 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:29:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:46 SteelNeuron_: re the fact that players like that it comes from a weapon you're given: it's a bit hard to know *why* you like a thing. playres think they like it because xyz, but what they really know is that they like it and therefore don't want it to change, but maybe they'd like some other stuff better 11:30:31 that's not a comment on dcss players in particular of course, but on basically all of humanity 11:30:47 amalloy: that's a good point :) and one that I struggled with when choosing whether to remove animated weapons altogether 11:31:33 But just to be clear, the strongest point of my proposal to keep weapons and aura separate is balance between weapon users and unarmed/transformed characters 11:31:45 and to a lesser extent balance within weapon users too 11:32:15 i don't see how it achieves that goal. isntead of applying a fixed +x slaying, and baalancing x based on what weapon is in use, you can isntead apply a multiplicative modifier or something 11:32:38 the current approach is clearly *worse* for that balance because you have to manually choose balance factors 11:32:52 ??rebuild 11:32:52 rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 11:34:17 and i'm with MarvinPA that you don't need to worry about weapon brands or unrands. weapons are "good" in various ways, and one of those ways is vamp; another is dealing lots of damage. increasing the former is not particularly more powerful than increasing the latter 11:36:06 Hm 11:36:10 I'll think about it 11:36:14 consider Heroism, for example 11:36:16 I can't code anymore today though :) 11:36:26 the skill bonus for unarmed is probably more powerful, for an unarmed user, than a weapon bonus for a weapon user 11:36:26 at least it should be functional for the time being 11:36:36 but you still get +5 to both, and it's fine 11:37:11 SteelNeuron_: sure. i'm rebuilding for you, in case that wasn't clear 11:37:41 Cheers :) 11:46:50 javascript unreasons: a bug was recently filed at work noting that all tests in XYZ component fail on the 31st of every month because javascript's Date does some exciting things 11:46:54 Experimental (councilgod-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-552-g4f50ea6 11:50:01 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:52:05 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:58:34 -!- SteelNeuron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:59:48 -!- meff` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:22 magipi (L23 DDGl) ASSERT(a) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 937 failed. 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I was being overprotective with a design just because it was part of what I considered the god's identity and because I didn't want my work on the tiles to go to waste. I now realize it just doesn't fit the current iteration of the god, so thanks for the wake up call :) 15:26:02 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:26:48 -!- Blazinghbnd has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:58 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:29:58 -!- Fixer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:54 -!- Fixer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:25 -!- casmith789 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:35:28 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:09 -!- Ratatosk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:16 I do have an idea for a new one though, that I think works much better to complete the kit. I'll wait for your opinions on it before coding this time, as you tend to see things that I don't 15:51:40 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:33 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]] 16:11:09 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:13:38 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-553-g7419b18: Fix disappearing weapon 10(in the future, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7419b1816654 16:13:41 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15:35 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:28 -!- equivobot is now known as yesno 16:21:32 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:25:16 -!- Ratatosk has quit [Quit: Ratatosk] 16:32:20 -!- matp has quit [Quit: ZZzzzZz...] 16:35:48 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:54 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:47:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:48:26 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:51:10 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:55:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:17 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:24 -!- Ragnor has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:02:52 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:08:11 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:09:12 <|amethyst> amalloy: We should in general; it doesn't actually do anything, except cause an error if for some reason it wasn't an override 17:09:17 <|amethyst> amalloy: (re 'override') 17:09:40 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:26 <|amethyst> amalloy: it already has the 'override' though, in the .h file 17:10:42 <|amethyst> amalloy: I don't think there's any advantage to including it in both places, though it is allowed in definitions 17:11:29 <|amethyst> amalloy: 'it already has' = 'melee_attack::player_apply_misc_modifiers already has' 17:12:32 <|amethyst> BTW, colin_morris does some statistical analysis of win rates here: http://colinmorris.github.io/blog/dcss_species discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5razuf/ 17:12:41 i'm replying to that now 17:12:47 i feel bad, since they don't seem to realize that sequell exists 17:13:30 <|amethyst> OTOH, getting all the numbers to do statistics might be a bit of a pain with Sequell 17:13:46 any idea why !lg * s=crace -graph is missing a bunch of races? 17:13:54 <|amethyst> !lg * s=crace -graph 17:14:00 6812774 games for *: https://shalott.org/graphs/835e595218b3eb011506d59b5418b51cad1b5920.html 17:14:06 lmao, 'hypothesis 1: pakellas abuse' 17:14:22 centaur, high elf, etc are missing 17:14:25 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: not enough room on the axis 17:14:39 ahh, i see 17:15:19 <|amethyst> the draconian article does some actual statistical analysis 17:15:38 <|amethyst> e.g. "what is the p-value of the hypothesis that red draconians are better than yellow?" 17:15:50 <|amethyst> with comments on multiple hypothesis testing et 17:15:52 <|amethyst> etc 17:16:11 <|amethyst> s/better/more winning/ 17:17:43 posted a comment, so now i'm scrolling down. 17:18:04 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:15 !lg * race=octopode xl>24 s=br 17:18:16 2210 games for * (race=octopode xl>24): 1363x D, 198x Zig, 110x Zot, 97x Pan, 83x Slime, 64x Tomb, 58x Vaults, 53x Depths, 37x Abyss, 35x Dis, 22x Geh, 19x Tar, 19x Crypt, 19x Hell, 19x Coc, 3x Elf, 3x Forest, 3x Lair, 2x Spider, Snake, Shoals, WizLab 17:21:15 wow, ghouls are super high on his win rate charts 17:21:22 !lg * recent gh / won 17:21:26 274/20966 games for * (recent gh): N=274/20966 (1.31%) 17:21:28 !lg * recent / won 17:21:31 11181/1235177 games for * (recent): N=11181/1235177 (0.91%) 17:21:35 i had no idea... 17:21:39 power species 17:23:12 heh, barachian is right behind gnome for 'total games played' 17:25:54 |amethyst: reading the p-value thing now. it's very cool, but doesn't depend on anything more than total draconians played versus won - the source data could've been gathered much faster with sequell than by scraping a million morgues. 17:26:04 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:34 This suggests a single hypothesis to test: are red draconians better than yellow? p = 0.0469. *Yes.* The wisdom of the masses prevails! 17:27:37 ^ this cracks me up 17:28:04 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:31:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:20 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:35 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:34:04 -!- casmith789 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:36:13 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:58 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: ah, so it is (does? doesn't?) 17:38:07 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: maybe writing a morgue parser was easier than writing an IRC client? 17:38:16 :P 17:38:21 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: but I think you're right, and the author just didn't know about Sequell 17:38:28 Bad Ideas: a web interface to sequell 17:38:43 i guess it's not *much* worse than being able to query via pms... 17:38:44 -!- OgreWrestling has quit [Client Quit] 17:39:50 <|amethyst> we could call it webchat.freenode.net :) 17:40:07 <|amethyst> but I do think it would be nice to have 17:40:09 heh 17:40:12 maybe you're right 17:44:09 hrm, what's the query for "what percent of players who entered a branch died in it? !lm * recent branch.enter / ... something 17:46:18 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:52 13:59:30 has anyone ever thought of having the two unused lairbranches show up much later in the game in a much tougher form? 17:47:53 good username 17:48:28 <|amethyst> !lm * recent branch.enter / noun=${lg:br} 17:48:38 i searched the logs 17:48:40 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:44 gammafunk apparently used lg:br=$noun 17:48:53 <|amethyst> oh, that probably works better :) 17:51:02 131991/1017266 milestones for * (recent branch.enter): N=131991/1017266 (12.98%) 17:53:27 13% of people who enter branches die in them 17:53:31 i'm not sure what to make of that. 17:53:39 feels low 17:54:25 <|amethyst> not 13% of people 17:54:36 <|amethyst> 13% of branch entrances 17:54:52 ah, that makes sort of more sense 17:55:13 <|amethyst> especially since it counts portal vaults 17:55:23 !lm branch.enter temple / lg:br=temple 17:55:25 0/134 milestones for Pleasingfungus (branch.enter temple): N=0/134 (0.00%) 17:55:27 oops 17:55:32 !lm * branch.enter temple / lg:br=temple 17:55:36 <|amethyst> !lm * br.enter=sewer / lg:br=sewer 17:55:50 <|amethyst> err 17:55:55 <|amethyst> !lm * branch.enter=sewer / lg:br=sewer 17:56:00 brr 17:56:16 <|amethyst> hm 17:56:37 <|amethyst> !lm . branch.enter=snake x=noun,br,lg:br 17:57:03 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * branch.enter temple / lg:br=temple 17:57:04 Unknown field: branch.enter 17:57:04 Unknown field: branch.enter 17:57:17 sad... 17:57:21 24726/329524 milestones for * (br.enter=sewer): N=24726/329524 (7.50%) 17:57:23 oh, easier query, actually 17:57:28 !lm * branch.enter temple 17:57:30 !lg * temple 17:57:32 1061218. [2017-01-31 22:57:02] Renzlar the Grave Robber (L3 VpNe) entered the Ecumenical Temple on turn 606. (D:4) 17:57:32 6232. luab the Covert (L8 VpEn), slain by a phantom in the Temple (compressed_dpeg_circular_temple) on 2017-01-31 12:31:55, with 1210 points after 5170 turns and 0:20:38. 17:57:52 alas, o luab 17:58:12 <|amethyst> !lm . br.enter=snake x=noun,br,lg:br 17:58:23 47. [2017-01-15 17:56:50] [noun=Snake;br=Snake;br=Snake] Neil the Minotaur Blade (L16 MiBe of Trog) entered the Snake Pit on turn 22662. (Lair:4) 17:58:29 <|amethyst> hmm 17:59:35 <|amethyst> !lm . br.enter=snake x=noun,br,lg:br,oplace 17:59:37 47. [2017-01-15 17:56:50] [noun=Snake;br=Snake;br=Snake;oplace=Lair:4] Neil the Minotaur Blade (L16 MiBe of Trog) entered the Snake Pit on turn 22662. (Lair:4) 17:59:41 <|amethyst> !lm . br.enter=snake x=obr 17:59:42 Unknown field: obr 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:05 <|amethyst> well, at least that's good... I was worried that br would be the old branch, not the new one 18:00:14 <|amethyst> so I guess noun and br will be the same for those milestones 18:00:41 <|amethyst> !lm * br.enter br!=$noun x=br,noun,place,oplace 18:01:37 215092. [2017-01-26 14:22:42] [br=D;noun=Sewer;place=Sewer;oplace=D:5] Petooh the Magician (L6 MuWz of Okawaru) entered a Sewer on turn 4707. (D:5) 18:01:41 !lm * br.enter=snake x=obr 18:01:42 Unknown field: obr 18:01:44 hrm 18:02:01 <|amethyst> hmm 18:02:01 !lm * br.enter=snake x=oplace 18:02:01 117182. [2017-01-31 22:49:29] [oplace=Lair:3] Jerry the Fencer (L17 MiMo of Gozag) entered the Snake Pit on turn 29542. (Lair:3) 18:02:03 there we go 18:02:13 <|amethyst> oh, br doesn't include portal vaults, noun does 18:02:28 <|amethyst> !lm * recent br.enter s=br 18:02:30 <|amethyst> !lm * recent br.enter s=noun 18:02:50 1017292 milestones for * (recent br.enter): 220478x Temple, 132559x Lair, 83655x Orc, 73617x Sewer, 59363x Ossuary, 41604x IceCv, 34455x Lab, 30448x Elf, 29848x Pan, 29636x Vaults, 26975x Bailey, 26866x Depths, 25885x Swamp, 24958x Snake, 24673x Spider, 22473x Shoals, 21184x Volcano, 15428x Zot, 15273x Slime, 14079x Bazaar, 13024x Crypt, 8049x Hell, 7604x WizLab, 6823x Tomb, 6630x Trove, 4687x Dis... 18:03:01 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:03:01 1017292 milestones for * (recent br.enter): 220478x Temple, 132559x Lair, 83655x Orc, 73617x Sewer, 59363x Ossuary, 41604x IceCv, 34455x Lab, 30448x Elf, 29848x Pan, 29636x Vaults, 26975x Bailey, 26866x Depths, 25885x Swamp, 24958x Snake, 24673x Spider, 22473x Shoals, 21184x Volcano, 15428x Zot, 15273x Slime, 14079x Bazaar, 13024x Crypt, 8049x Hell, 7604x WizLab, 6823x Tomb, 6630x Trove, 4687x Dis... 18:03:05 <|amethyst> someone needs to buy more RAM for the snark :) 18:03:21 <|amethyst> hmm 18:03:55 <|amethyst> !lm * br.enter br!=$noun x=br,noun,place,oplace,cv 18:04:19 215092. [2017-01-26 14:22:42] [br=D;noun=Sewer;place=Sewer;oplace=D:5;cv=0.10] Petooh the Magician (L6 MuWz of Okawaru) entered a Sewer on turn 4707. (D:5) 18:04:26 <|amethyst> correction: br *didn't* include portal vaults, until portal vault reform 18:04:28 *chanting* more! ram! more! ram! 18:04:48 <|amethyst> !lg * month s=cv 18:04:50 121932 games for * (month): 71659x 0.20-a, 47203x 0.19, 2350x 0.18, 277x 0.17, 131x 0.14, 87x 0.16, 84x 0.10, 52x 0.15, 52x 0.13, 14x 0.19-a, 9x 0.12, 6x 0.11, 4x 0.17-a, 4x 0.18-a 18:05:09 to be clear, that query says that 13% of branch entry attempts result in death 18:05:47 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:05:57 -!- exant has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:06:02 <|amethyst> gammafunk: you can be more pendantic than that! 18:06:17 well I left out the recent part, and yeah portals sure 18:06:32 depending on what you want to be pedantic about 18:06:53 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:59 that query says that the SQL JOIN STATMENT FROM TABLE.... 18:07:12 <|amethyst> 13% of first-time-this-game branch entry attempts lead to eventually dying in that branch 18:07:22 -!- Euph0ria is now known as Euph0ria_ 18:07:32 hrm, is that even right? 18:07:38 like won't you get two bazaar milestones 18:07:40 if you get two 18:07:46 <|amethyst> hm 18:08:03 <|amethyst> true, when portal vaults are involved what I said is not quite right 18:08:24 <|amethyst> when repeatable portal vaults are involved 18:08:48 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:08:57 but yeah, good point that it's not a new milestone with each branch entrance attempt if the branch is not a portal 18:09:01 I was just assuming it worked that way 18:09:40 but it doesn't discriminate between instances where a player visited and left e.g snake and returned to die later (possibly on the final level to get the rune) 18:11:07 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-548-g4f8a798 (34) 18:12:10 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:17:27 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-554-gb6c477d: Replace Heavenly Assault with Heaven On Earth (new ultimate ability) 10(in the future, 31 files, 75+ 280-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b6c477d60355 18:17:27 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-555-g70f97cc: Repurpose three of the divine weapons, phase out the rest. 10(in the future, 10 files, 92+ 98-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/70f97cceaaab 18:17:27 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-556-g0b13f55: Tone down golden cloud spread 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b13f553177b 18:17:49 Sorry guys, couldn't resist, itchy code finger :P 18:18:09 every time i see an IJC commit, i feel like i'm looking at a commit from an alternate dimension 18:18:29 Is that good or bad? 18:18:39 every bit of vocabulary is alien to me. divine weapons? heavenly assault? golden clouds?? 18:18:46 it's a true mystery 18:19:13 idk that it's good or bad. 18:19:27 Try it out! :) 18:20:51 i should... 18:20:52 someday 18:20:54 -!- Euph0ria_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:05 playing crawl just sounds like so much work 18:21:56 The new ultimate btw, summons a constant flux of opaque clouds around you, so you can attack big groups without caring about ranged enemies. It's like having constant fog 18:22:17 You also get a slaying bonus that goes down every turn, but goes up if you hit multiple enemies, so like a much shorter term song of slaying that also maintains the clouds 18:23:02 there's synergy with Serpent's Lash in that moving instantly allows you to build it back up quickly (this is obv targeted to whomever has played the god already) 18:23:22 hm, you were saying something the other day about this god being intended for both 'casters' and melee characters? 18:23:26 <|amethyst> ??kramell 18:23:26 kramell[1/6]: Allows you to get announcements for your clan in a private channel. It will also allow you to query Sequell or Cheibriados from your private channel. 18:23:29 <|amethyst> ??kramell[$ 18:23:29 kramell[6/6]: Source: https://github.com/Kramin42/Kramell/blob/master/server.js 18:23:32 <|amethyst> ??kramell[-2 18:23:32 kramell[5/6]: If it is not online or not working, send a !tell to Kramin 18:23:34 <|amethyst> hm 18:23:40 <|amethyst> ??kramell[2 18:23:40 kramell[2/6]: In ##kramell, 1) Say '$channel #yourchannelname' 2) Say '$name #yourchannelname nick' for each player in your clan 18:23:41 <|amethyst> ??kramell[3 18:23:42 kramell[3/6]: #fn:filter lets you use regexes to filter what is cross-posted, if there are multiple filters they are ANDed 18:23:45 <|amethyst> ??kramell[4 18:23:45 kramell[4/6]: #fn:colour lets you colour announcements using regexes (type ${help} in ##kramell to see exact usage) 18:23:48 Pleasingfungus: Hybrids, rather, I guess 18:23:48 <|amethyst> hrm 18:23:54 ahh 18:23:56 makes more sense 18:23:56 <|amethyst> where are the kramell logfiles etc? 18:24:00 you are missing out on many tools if you're fully ranged 18:24:19 |amethyst, hmm? 18:24:28 oh 18:24:29 still, you can sustain the storm without attacking every turn, you'll just have it at lower levels 18:24:51 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:08 <|amethyst> Kramin: the aggregator 18:25:54 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:03 you mean this thing https://github.com/Kramin42/Crawl-Log-Api 18:27:04 ? 18:27:10 chequers is hosting it 18:27:29 I forgot the address 18:27:48 <|amethyst> Kramin: ahh, forgot it was an actual API, not just a copy of the data files 18:28:12 Kramell in ##crawl isn't actually using that yet though 18:28:18 <|amethyst> aha 18:28:20 since I'm testing a new thing 18:28:32 which is mostly working 18:28:42 but I haven't had the time to switch it over 18:29:27 https://github.com/Kramin42/Crawl-Announcer 18:31:07 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:24 I've been running it as Postquell in ##crawl-announcements 18:32:09 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:55 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-557-g59087c8: Missing grid invalidation 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/59087c8e62a3 18:34:20 -!- Euph0ria is now known as Euph0ria_ 18:35:51 <|amethyst> Kramin: are you /u/Kramin42 on reddit, and if so do you mind if I name-drop you? 18:37:53 Yep that's me 18:38:07 all good 18:38:07 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:45:45 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 18:48:23 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/430 * 0.20-a0-558-gd126a6a: Remove deprecated divine weapons 10(in the future, 11 files, 0+ 55-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d126a6aabb94 18:49:28 -!- Doesnty has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:07 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:47 !lg * ds / quit 18:53:51 156489/829033 games for * (ds): N=156489/829033 (18.88%) 18:53:54 !lg * s=crace ds / quit o=% 18:53:57 156489/829033 games for * (ds): 156489/829033x Demonspawn [18.88%] 18:54:00 oops 18:54:03 !lg * s=crace / quit o=% 18:54:14 625496/6812988 games for *: 1/2x Yak [50.00%], 156489/829033x Demonspawn [18.88%], 16043/97275x Mountain Dwarf [16.49%], 81/589x Plutonian [13.75%], 103/779x Cherufe [13.22%], 78/592x Salamander [13.18%], 16851/129536x Demigod [13.01%], 146/1213x Lacertilian [12.04%], 107/897x Bearkin [11.93%], 13844/120952x Felid [11.45%], 39/341x Frog [11.44%], 13490/118349x Deep Dwarf [11.40%], 365/3453x Barach... 18:54:54 very high quit rate for frogs 18:54:56 hrm 18:55:02 !lg * frog quit s=name 18:55:03 39 games for * (frog quit): 3x someotherguy6, 2x rageheart7, 2x Vajrapani, 2x Morgon, Piginabag, Hellonello, hellse, Ironfoot, jink69, kazak, Memicus, mndeal, WhimsyGirl, ystael, ythm, zachydoo, norplu, Dfrag, Potronius, puissantveil, Rodnoix, severens, severenz, shadow88, sleevener, thejctrill, TittyCrusher, useraccount, Wairo, wavey, criton, cheese, brahma, BlueFish 18:55:09 !lg * barachian quit s=name 18:55:10 365 games for * (barachian quit): 20x Vidiiot, 17x MrChinwatt, 9x silverkiwi, 6x patman, 5x Herrn, 5x Vibarexel, 5x glosham, 4x PinkishYellow, 4x sand, 4x mopl, 3x DeepDarkDwarf, 3x JaeBy, 3x asdu, 3x terra52, 3x puissantveil, 3x mamga, 3x GlassEater, 3x Duffy, 2x Execuda, 2x btp524, 2x Rhoefr, 2x Goblin1989, 2x sefie, 2x bearsfoot, 2x nebgrebaes, 2x kimchi, 2x Feirund, 2x kidcy, 2x roalaos, 2x En... 18:55:27 !lg * barachian s=name / quit 18:55:28 365/3453 games for * (barachian): 20/68x Vidiiot [29.41%], 17/72x MrChinwatt [23.61%], 9/20x silverkiwi [45.00%], 6/22x patman [27.27%], 5/14x Vibarexel [35.71%], 5/87x glosham [5.75%], 5/10x Herrn [50.00%], 4/68x mopl [5.88%], 4/15x sand [26.67%], 4/5x PinkishYellow [80.00%], 3/3x DeepDarkDwarf [100.00%], 3/13x Duffy [23.08%], 3/4x GlassEater [75.00%], 3/5x asdu [60.00%], 3/9x puissantveil [33.33... 18:55:31 !lg * barachian s=name / quit o=% 18:55:33 365/3453 games for * (barachian): 1/1x cubejjw [100.00%], 1/1x Renzlar [100.00%], 1/1x Grimgar [100.00%], 1/1x ROKA [100.00%], 1/1x Hiru [100.00%], 1/1x criton [100.00%], 1/1x Dan2ri [100.00%], 1/1x denma4721 [100.00%], 1/1x lipayy [100.00%], 1/1x Bailgrim [100.00%], 1/1x Ryosujin [100.00%], 1/1x dno7565 [100.00%], 1/1x Butters [100.00%], 1/1x ysk8946 [100.00%], 1/1x qww789789 [100.00%], 1/1x daza... 18:55:35 rip 18:56:05 <|amethyst> !lg vidiiot barachian quit s=dur 18:56:06 20 games for vidiiot (barachian quit): 4x 0:00:03, 3x 0:00:02, 2x 0:00:05, 0:00:11, 0:00:04, 0:00:08, 0:00:10, 0:19:25, 0:00:42, 0:01:21, 0:01:48, 0:05:46, 0:04:21, 1:37:05 18:56:13 fast quits 18:56:18 <|amethyst> I think I'll go with "popular among startscummers" :) 18:56:20 -!- Euph0ria_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:22 heh 18:56:47 "whoops I picked frogs" 18:57:10 <|amethyst> hm 18:57:18 Floodkiller: "four times in a row :P" 18:57:22 hrm 18:57:25 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:57:32 <|amethyst> I could see that if you're used to pressing r for vine stalker 18:58:03 <|amethyst> but then we should expect to see increases for VS, Dg, Ds, Mu, Gh, Vp, Fe, Op too 18:58:17 <|amethyst> err, I guess not Op 18:58:33 also, the race ordering logic is very silly 18:58:45 in the character select screen 18:59:23 !lg * s=crace !boring 18:59:33 5834246 games for * (!boring): 650435x Demonspawn, 428004x Minotaur, 395665x Deep Elf, 328045x Octopode, 271938x Draconian, 267223x Spriggan, 265043x High Elf, 250721x Gargoyle, 240892x Hill Orc, 229627x Mummy, 203394x Merfolk, 197644x Troll, 181992x Human, 171185x Vampire, 167156x Tengu, 166485x Formicid, 165830x Naga, 163178x Kobold, 161594x Ogre, 157799x Vine Stalker, 104219x Felid, 98308x Deep... 18:59:40 hrm, it has a different order here 18:59:42 rude 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:23 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: some of that was retconning 19:00:32 heh 19:00:35 looks like all the experimental races have high quit races 19:00:38 *rates 19:01:06 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: I want to say "mostly human shape but made of a strange substance" had another representative once, maybe Gr? 19:01:16 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: Pretty sure I wrote that specific comment 19:01:31 heh 19:01:31 -!- feksclaus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7] 19:01:55 i feel like changing the ordering, however well-intended (from most new-player-friendly to least...?) would cause a lot of pain 19:02:02 <|amethyst> ah, it was lava orc + vine stalker 19:02:04 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:18 <|amethyst> %git fca21085 19:02:18 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-2117-gfca21085: Rearrange species selection; remove obsolete comment. 10(3 years ago, 1 file, 11+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fca210853705 19:02:31 quiz: what is the other occurrence of the phrase "strange substance" in crawl? 19:02:33 <|amethyst> I don't remember any complaints 19:02:49 <|amethyst> hm, I'm going to guess abyssal walls 19:02:52 wow, no complaints??? that's impossible! 19:03:00 the correct answer was "ambrosia" 19:03:06 <|amethyst> ah 19:03:10 pan walls do have something similar, though, iirc 19:03:24 ah, "weird stuff" 19:03:30 the low-rent version :P 19:03:45 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: also, I like how that's part of the feature name 19:03:55 ya 19:03:56 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: or the database key at least :) 19:04:51 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:33 <|amethyst> FR: make those keys more like "clear_stone_wall", "rock_wall_Pan" etc 19:06:15 wow, can't believe you'd be so Anti-Flavour 19:06:18 <|amethyst> or I guess "rock_wall Pandemonium" 19:06:25 <|amethyst> no, not what's displayed 19:06:30 <|amethyst> just the keys in the database 19:06:32 i know 19:06:36 i'm being a pain 19:07:19 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:21 -!- |amethyst is now known as Tormentingfungus 19:07:36 !!! 19:07:46 -!- Tormentingfungus is now known as |amethyst 19:11:25 -!- dextar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:15:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:14 wow that /r/dcss post 19:15:31 the stats one, or the ice giant one? 19:15:48 it's going to be the next big "I derive false conclusions from morgue data" 19:15:51 stats one 19:16:08 i mean 19:16:11 ice giant spawn is nice 19:16:11 he did grab a million morgues. 19:16:24 a million is good 19:16:29 hm, i wonder 19:16:30 ...therefore? 19:16:51 therefore, it's roughly statistically equal to 'i derive false conclusions from sequell data' :P 19:17:10 yeah 19:17:18 !lg * recentish dr s=race / won o=% 19:17:21 735/109655 games for * (recentish dr): 146/3407x Grey Draconian [4.29%], 89/3386x Green Draconian [2.63%], 90/3457x Red Draconian [2.60%], 85/3319x Purple Draconian [2.56%], 77/3486x White Draconian [2.21%], 71/3456x Pale Draconian [2.05%], 66/3452x Black Draconian [1.91%], 65/3446x Yellow Draconian [1.89%], 46/3101x Mottled Draconian [1.48%], 0/79145x Draconian [0.00%] 19:17:27 I mean whether you get false conclusions from sequell data or from morgues 19:17:29 it's the same result 19:17:38 i wonder what his drac post would look like for this data 19:18:02 !lg * dr s=race / won o=% 19:18:04 2005/323034 games for * (dr): 334/9108x Grey Draconian [3.67%], 254/9052x Red Draconian [2.81%], 251/9098x Green Draconian [2.76%], 236/9002x Purple Draconian [2.62%], 215/9194x White Draconian [2.34%], 183/8788x Mottled Draconian [2.08%], 178/8930x Pale Draconian [1.99%], 179/9121x Black Draconian [1.96%], 175/9215x Yellow Draconian [1.90%], 0/241526x Draconian [0.00%] 19:18:16 mottled so weak! 19:18:23 that's what the data prove... 19:18:32 rip mottled 19:19:23 someone shold tell him that DD appear strong because people are winning DD of mak like 19:19:23 60% of the time 19:19:27 so he doesn't make up too many more DD theories 19:19:34 is that unfair to judge dd by? 19:19:39 i did laugh at the pakellas abuse thing 19:20:25 it's perfectly fair, and his analyses should come to this conclusion 19:21:34 -!- EuphOria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:10 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:13 -!- hellmonk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:13 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:13 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:01 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:02 -!- Euph0ria is now known as Euph0ria_ 19:38:00 -!- Euph0ria_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:25 -!- Euph0ria is now known as Euph0ria_ 19:49:44 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:52:06 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:53:41 -!- Fixer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:55:07 -!- Euph0ria_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:23 Pleasingfungus: did you change the faerie scales tile too? 19:56:32 hm, no 19:56:35 i forgot they existed 19:56:38 oh 19:56:46 i guess they just always looked a bit different then 19:57:08 ya 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:52 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:09 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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Hypothesis 1: Pakellas abuse 22:36:28 -!- koboldina has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:32 I just found a really curious bug 22:36:40 ! 22:36:40 I'm at 40/43 mana and no matter how much I rest it won't come back 22:36:48 !lm koboldina 22:36:49 16456. [2017-02-01 01:28:24] koboldina the Cryomancer (L24 BaIE of Cheibriados) reached level 5 of the Pits of Slime on turn 102572. (Slime:5) 22:36:57 !lm koboldina x=src 22:36:58 16456. [2017-02-01 01:28:24] [src=cbro] koboldina the Cryomancer (L24 BaIE of Cheibriados) reached level 5 of the Pits of Slime on turn 102572. (Slime:5) 22:37:15 wow huh 22:37:18 as soon as you joined it updated 22:37:22 lol 22:37:24 I guess it was just a tiles graphical glitch thing 22:37:29 and my mana was actually at 43 22:44:17 -!- laj1 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:56 -!- rjaguar3 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:56:53 wow, Ds is that popular? 22:56:59 and Gh is that unpopular? 22:57:41 -!- Awod has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:47 CanOfWorms: I told them that DD of makhleb exists 23:01:15 apparently statistical analyses couldn't account for such an anomaly! 23:02:30 secret dd tech 23:03:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:14 haha 23:05:24 no, it was clearly pak abuse! 23:09:25 -!- dextar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:13:05 -!- dondy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:13:44 -!- Basil is now known as Guest83688 23:15:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:27:38 -!- meff` has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:39 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:07 -!- feksclaus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7] 23:47:56 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Client Quit] 23:48:46 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:49:09 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:26 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev