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Use your powers wisely. 00:42:51 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:53:28 Experimental (dpegs_dynamic_monsters) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-430-gb54fec0 00:57:17 "The bezotted bat is filled with the power of Zot!" 00:57:18 !!!! 00:57:40 bat buffs are scary 00:57:55 looks like bezotted monsters don't change x-v yet so you know what happened to them 00:58:04 probably because it's new still 01:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:17 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 01:01:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:01:06 Floodkiller, you still want a cyno branch up? 01:01:06 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 01:01:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:01:15 if you would be willing, yes 01:02:00 I can. since I'll be pointing to the PR, you'll have to update that one and not do any rebasing shenanigans (or if you do, it will be broken till I can manually go rewire) 01:02:23 same way SteelNeuron is handling CouncilGod 01:03:13 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:44 gotcha, no rebasing, just merges 01:04:50 -!- bgiannan_ is now known as bgiannan 01:06:35 -!- bgiannan has quit [Client Quit] 01:09:49 finally, the doggo experimental is here... 01:10:19 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:38 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:18:46 -!- Blazinghbnd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:20:30 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:21:36 -!- Bammboo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:36 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:26:53 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:35:48 -!- wheals__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:41:56 Experimental (cyno-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-444-g3734ce0 01:44:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:56 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:29 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:48 Floodkiller, it's up! 01:50:53 -!- voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:13 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:53:48 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:59 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:22 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:24 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:48 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:54 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:20 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:59 Experimental (hellcrawl-cbro) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-2013-g488b080 02:04:18 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:08:01 -!- dextor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:12:48 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:18:47 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:19:11 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:19:53 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:26:25 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:09 -!- bgiannan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 02:27:25 !messages 02:27:26 No messages for TZer0. 02:27:31 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:47 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:28:48 -!- bgiannan has quit [Client Quit] 02:29:05 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:18 -!- bgiannan has quit [Client Quit] 02:29:27 %git dpegs_dynamic_monsters 02:29:27 07Lasty02 * 0.20-a0-430-gb54fec0: Remove energy randomization 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b54fec0c83ee 02:29:35 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31:25 -!- bgiannan has quit [Client Quit] 02:31:40 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:19 -!- bgiannan has quit [Client Quit] 02:32:35 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:38:54 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 02:45:16 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-454-g2b43fbb 02:46:04 -!- lupus83 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:50:36 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:54:28 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:46 !messages 02:55:47 (1/1) johnstein said (56m 5s ago): councilgod descriptions should be updated now. 02:56:35 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:59:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:39 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:08:11 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:09:09 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 03:19:11 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:24:24 Experimental (councilgod-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-668-g459c2b5 03:29:59 -!- Blazinghbnd has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:52 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:38:19 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:42:34 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 03:46:15 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:53:54 -!- Yxhuvud has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:12:18 -!- rubinko has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:18:26 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:21 -!- nikheizen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:27:25 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:37:42 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:40:51 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:49:03 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:56:11 -!- Bodrick has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52:36 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:00:00 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:50 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:16:04 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:24:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:08 -!- Gurkenglas has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:11:05 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:14:52 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:22 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:38:41 -!- bgiannan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 07:39:34 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:49 -!- bgiannan has quit [Client Quit] 07:41:04 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:06 -!- bgiannan has quit [Client Quit] 07:41:34 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:40 -!- bgiannan has quit [Client Quit] 07:44:40 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:57 -!- saty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:51:12 !messages 07:51:13 No messages for SteelNeuron. 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:15:34 -!- winstonsullen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:33:17 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:44:10 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:46:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:48:00 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:28 johnstein: cool, thanks! 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:04 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:31:37 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:32:48 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:06 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:41:31 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:59 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:15 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-669-g8aa049e: Fixes, rebalances and usability improvements to active abilities 10(in the future, 12 files, 85+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8aa049e1273c 09:49:33 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:50:29 -!- wheals_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:03 -!- cait has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:39 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:54:56 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:23 -!- Jack_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:56:34 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:23 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:02:49 -!- Leverkuhn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:08:19 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:36 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:10:58 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:12:59 -!- Jack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:17:59 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:04 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:29:34 -!- Lasty_ has quit [*.net *.split] 10:29:34 -!- adelrune has quit [*.net *.split] 10:29:34 -!- elliptic has quit [*.net *.split] 10:29:56 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:58 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:02 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:02 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:42 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:57 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-670-g5b47c0a: Make the god powers window less wordy 10(in the future, 1 file, 4+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5b47c0aff2d7 10:43:52 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:15 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:34 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-671-g993d97e: Slight whirlwind rebalance 10(in the future, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/993d97e10d74 11:04:08 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:05:26 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus 11:06:53 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:00 quick species idea: Only regenerates when actually resting. Gains damage shaving and stats as long as it doesn't rest 11:13:15 so you're pushed to gamble but can always reset your bonuses and heal up 11:13:22 could be a deep dwarf rework 11:14:08 what good are damage shaving and stats when you`re resting? 11:14:22 no, it's not that 11:14:25 -!- bannakaf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:14:28 as you play and kill, you gain damage shaving and stats 11:14:40 but if you stop and rest, you lose it all 11:14:42 in exchange, you regenerate 11:14:44 i get that, but you wouldnt miss the damage shaving being gone when you`re resting 11:15:04 you don't lose it while resting only 11:15:10 you start from scratch again 11:15:40 I'm not talking long long term, it would be a XP-based bonus that you could accumulate to full power in a floor at most 11:18:23 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 11:18:25 I worded it poorly. In other words: "Killing gives you a buff that increases in power, and that provides damage shaving and stats, but completely prevents healing. 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(not used to attack with, ever) 12:49:40 Rast: OK, I'll let lasty know. 12:54:20 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:00:09 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:09 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:01:37 Rast: why? 13:02:01 * geekosaur thought stave vs. weapon was intended to force a tactical decision 13:02:18 Many magic staves are also weapons 13:02:47 yes, but few are ever used that way (they're far too anemic; the ones that have extra attacks don't fire very often) 13:03:19 (and, well, staves are not quarterstaves, and are about as useful as daggers without stabbing) 13:03:48 SteelNeuron: IMO the only reason DD exists at all is to experiment w/ healing as a limited resource. Without that, I see absolutely no reason for them to exist at all. Given that some gods make healing stop being a meaningfully limited resource, I don't really think DD should exist even now. But I'm in the minority among devs on that point. 13:04:22 geekosaur: it's not that expensive to get the extra damage effects to fire 100% of the time. 13:13:58 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:11 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:20:52 <|amethyst> ??staff of death 13:20:52 staff of death[1/1]: Enhances necromancy, and provides rN+. See {staff damage} for details on the extra melee damage it can inflict. 13:20:57 <|amethyst> ??staff damage 13:20:58 staff damage[1/3]: Enhancer staves (fire, cold, air, earth, death) have (2*evoc + magic skill)/30 chance of getting random2(1.25*(magic skill + evoc/2)) extra damage that ignores AC (except earth), but checks the appropriate resistance. 13:25:00 <|amethyst> I wouldn't be too opposed to removing the damage and other on-hit effects from staves then having them use the shield slot rather than being weapons, but then the Staves weapon class and skill need some reworking/removal 13:26:44 <|amethyst> but e.g. staff of death is more damaging than a pain weapon once you have enough skill that it procs most of the time (say, 10 evo + 10 necro) 13:27:49 <|amethyst> I would be happy to eliminate staff damage altogether though, because it's this weird thing that is kind of like a brand but handled completely differently in the code 13:28:50 <|amethyst> (also, they're in a weird position wrt Trog) 13:29:33 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:30:52 <|amethyst> another possibility might be to turn them into special brands that appear only on SK_STAVES weapons (and maybe artefacts), so you can have a quarterstaff of energy or a lajatang of conjuration 13:33:36 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:35:35 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:47:30 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:10 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:49:59 ?/hex enhancer 13:50:00 No matches. 13:50:03 bah 13:56:34 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:33 -!- Gurkenglas has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:59:31 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:58 How about having staves do off-hand weapons, just like punching, but using spellcasting + evo for precision 14:05:04 s/weapons/attacks 14:05:14 and no physical damage, just the proc 14:05:31 in other words, merge chance to trigger the off-hand attack and chance to proc the effect in one roll 14:06:05 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:14:34 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:12 geekosaur: enhancer staves are pretty strong as melee weapons if you're a staff user 14:16:21 er, a magic user 14:17:17 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:26 !log . huae won 14:18:27 1. amalloy, XL27 HuAE, T:89825: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/amalloy/morgue-amalloy-20150523-084557.txt 14:19:17 geekosaur: strongly disagree that "few [magical] staffs are ever used as weapons"; i've used many. They're quite effective once you get a bit of skill. 14:19:27 Not as good as Real Weapons, generally, but that's fine. 14:19:37 oh, amalloy already said the same thing! going through backlog.... 14:19:40 attacked with the staff 5250 times; it's been a while so i don't remember for sure, but the morgue suggests the staff was my main killdudes, with fcloud and later some other stuff for higher-tier threats 14:19:46 heh 14:19:59 you should also be telling Rast this... 14:20:45 i don't like rast. he smells. 14:20:52 i didn't see the conversation with Rast; the server my bouncer is on was having some issues. i guess i'll go read that 14:21:28 not much of a conversation i guess 14:22:04 imo, the magical staffs/staff skill thing is one of crawl's more elegant/better designed systems 14:22:09 i'm quite fond of it 14:22:37 Rast: magical staves are Real Good melee weapons if you are a conjurer type 14:22:51 (though staff of conjurations aren't, ofc... :P) 14:23:37 staff of summoning with the truly OP effect 14:25:04 staff of power should give you mp for hitting guys 14:25:09 think about it. 14:25:30 imagine if you combined it with infusion...!!!! 14:25:50 make it apply antimagic as well. where did you think the power would come from? 14:30:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:32:10 !hs * explbr=dynamic_monsters 14:32:11 No games for * (explbr=dynamic_monsters sc<1000000000). 14:37:17 ...is that a hack to deal with that one very broken game 14:38:05 ??rebuild councilgod-PR anyone? I will be out tomorrow and I need to make sure I didn't break the info screen ;) 14:38:05 I don't have a page labeled rebuild_councilgod-PR_anyone?_I_will_be_out_tomorrow_and_I_need_to_make_sure_I_didn't_break_the_info in my learndb. 14:38:05 whoops 14:41:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:31 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:43:46 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:52 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:46:55 i'll get it 14:47:29 SteelNeuron: can't you just build locally to check little things like that? 14:47:35 -!- Gurkenglas_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:38 (and then ask for a rebuild once you know you didn't break it) 14:47:51 It's because of webtiles in this case 14:48:01 not sure how to check it out locally 14:48:23 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:28 But if it's too much hassle don't worry, at worst it just won't render right :) 14:49:32 no, it's no hassle to rebuild. just a couple buttons and i've already clicked them 14:50:27 i'm curious whether you plan to have a tiles-friendly diagram as well as the one with @#. for console players 14:52:00 diagrams... 14:52:08 this sounds complex 14:53:32 dpeg suggested this one :) it's just illustrating the martial moves in the powers window 14:53:32 there's space for it 14:54:18 looking for good complex-diagram joke diagrams, i found https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/f1/e5/25f1e5c62448a3feed95089e771d3cf1.jpg 14:55:02 -!- LordSloth has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:22 ah, i was thinking of something like https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ebffec23fbbcf243ee0bdc1ebe14be1f-c?convert_to_webp=true as the kind of diagram you need to play IJC effectively 14:59:07 I can do ascii flowcharts! 15:00:01 i'm scared. 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:17 Tbh I would love one for Beogh 15:00:21 -!- Ratatosk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 309 seconds] 15:00:32 I still have no idea how it works in detail after a few years of dcss :') 15:00:45 seriously though the martial IJC stuff sounds fun, whereas some of the previous super-complicated stuff sounded overwrought. i'd like to give it a try sometime 15:00:54 how... what works? 15:00:59 beogh promotions? 15:01:14 I get the general gist of it but I always feel I'm not doing things right 15:01:18 granted, I haven't played Beogh for a while 15:01:21 doing what right? 15:02:01 the rules of conversion for example 15:02:03 Experimental (councilgod-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-671-g993d97e 15:02:25 or how they promote and what stats they have 15:02:33 tbh I don't mind, it's one of those things I don't feel I need to know 15:02:52 same with Hep, I could dig into the different ancestor stats but I just know what they generally do 15:03:15 amalloy: I'll be looking forward to hear your feedback :) I'm glad I followed the advice around here, I can now see the previous version was way too complicated 15:04:08 ??cbro 15:04:09 cbro[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots 15:04:40 SteelNeuron: ^^ looks fine in tiles to me (playing at http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-wizamalloy) 15:04:56 great! Thanks 15:05:24 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:06:18 hm, the backflip attack seems like it may encourage some silly speedrun tactics, if this god is any good for speedruns 15:06:48 since it lets you predictably move two squares in a single turn when you get to a corner 15:08:27 That's right 15:08:47 are speedruns measured against other equally? Because it would probably give worshippers an advantage 15:09:12 also i moved around for like thirty seconds and did four accidental backflips 15:10:18 shift-move should definitely not be allowed to trigger a martial attack imo 15:10:33 yep, I need to figure out how to make that happen in the back end 15:13:07 54191 | Zig:8 | Paralysed by you for 4 turns 15:13:11 How is that possible? 15:13:26 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:14:10 !gameinfo Yermak 15:14:12 It seems that I was paralyzed by a chaos cloud 15:14:12 Yermak the L26 BaAs^Dith in Zig:8 (cxc tiles), T:54170, runes: 2 (barnacled, gossamer), defenses: 39/28/12, stats: 12/12/27, >15 skills: Dodging,Stealth 15:14:23 But message needs to be fixed 15:17:24 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:18 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:20:11 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:23:07 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:23:21 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Client Quit] 15:23:51 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:55 yermak: i ran into that message bug years ago; tried to reproduce it but failed, iirc? i forget 15:23:56 notes bug 15:23:59 the paralysed by you thing 15:24:14 i can take another look at some point 15:25:58 -!- parabolic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:01 !hs * dynamic-monsters 15:26:02 No keyword 'dynamic-monsters' 15:26:26 !hs * explbr=dynamic-monsters 15:26:27 No games for * (explbr=dynamic-monsters sc<1000000000). 15:28:02 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:32:24 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:34 -!- aditya has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 15:35:18 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507]] 15:35:48 Are there any plans for embedding ctrl-f feature for message history in game? 15:36:39 !hs * explbr=dynamic_monsters 15:36:40 No games for * (explbr=dynamic_monsters sc<1000000000). 15:38:36 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:39 !hs * explbr=dpegs_dynamic_monsters 15:38:40 12. gowby the Carver (L10 DsGl of Okawaru), slain by a bezotted sky beast on D:8 on 2017-01-09 19:17:58, with 4162 points after 11902 turns and 0:37:35. 15:42:31 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:09 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:47:05 !lg * explbr=dpegs_dynamic_monsters s=killer 15:47:06 12 games for * (explbr=dpegs_dynamic_monsters): 2x, Sigmund, a small abomination, a death drake, a kobold, a bezotted orc warrior, a rat, an adder, a worm, a bezotted sky beast, a jackal 15:47:21 Only two bezotted monsters. I'm surprised. 15:47:30 Bezotted sky beasts are no joke when you first run into them. 15:47:50 !lg * explbr=dpegs_dynamic_monsters s=ckiller 15:47:51 12 games for * (explbr=dpegs_dynamic_monsters): 2x quitting, a rat, a small abomination, a death drake, a kobold, a bezotted orc warrior, a jackal, an adder, a worm, a bezotted sky beast, Sigmund 15:48:04 johnstein: thanks for putting up the branch! 15:48:21 being bezotted shouldn't make it a totally unrelated monster, i think 15:48:36 It doesn't, but it does change the name 15:48:40 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:48:42 and apparently the name is what gets recorded. 15:49:14 right, i don't mean it's a different monster pointer in-game, just that Sequell shouldn't think it's different 15:49:19 -!- Uhlv has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:49:56 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:55 so in this case, sequell should report "a sky beast"? Would there be a way of determining if it was bezotted or not without checking the morgue? 15:51:58 does Sequell report that monsters are berserked when they kill you? that they're mighted? 15:52:20 i think it's fine while it's an experimental, but if it were merged it would be quite strange to me to call out this one status as special 15:52:25 !tell Lasty You might want to make bezotting less common again. Also make the new stats visible in x-v. Also, look into some sort of greatly-lowered odds for the first few moves towards a player, to make it non-optimal to always rush towards monsters. 15:52:25 Lasty_: OK, I'll let lasty know. 15:52:43 and it should leave ckiller alone even if it does change killer 15:52:48 !tell lasty also note bezotting in Notes 15:52:49 Lasty_: OK, I'll let lasty know. 15:53:00 <|amethyst> amalloy: ckiller vs killer is handled entirely in Sequell I believe 15:53:17 amalloy: might and berserk aren't seen to be significant enough to be noted in the creature's name 15:53:27 Lasty_: i mean imo neither is bezotting 15:53:34 i'd make it an orc warrior (bezotted) 15:53:54 but that's an Opinion, not a Game Design Fact 15:54:08 amalloy: It's a significant and permanent monster buff. I think it's worth making it super clear. 15:54:23 -!- Hampooj has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:25 !lg * ckiller~~submerged 15:54:26 No games for * (ckiller~~submerged). 15:54:50 Trying to remember what else modifies name in that spot 15:55:05 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55:40 !source monster.cc 15:55:41 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc 15:55:42 what about people whose rcfile sets a different colour for monsters, for example? or has force_more based on name? does changing the name from "an orc warrior" to "a bezotted orc warrior" cause problems for that, i wonder 15:55:43 !source describe.cc 15:55:44 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc 15:56:03 ideally they just have "orc warrior", but might they have "an orc warrior"? 15:57:02 !lg * ckiller~~helpless 15:57:21 !lg * ckiller~~sensed 15:57:21 31. AlphaQ the Gusty (L8 TeAE of Okawaru), slain by a helpless sky beast on D:7 on 2011-12-01 00:11:51, with 1266 points after 6696 turns and 0:28:23. 15:57:22 No games for * (ckiller~~sensed). 15:57:31 !lg * ckiller~~active 15:57:34 9. kaper the Force of Nature (L20 HaHu of Fedhas), killed by an exploding hyperactive ballistomycete on Vaults:2 on 2016-06-26 10:18:05, with 243674 points after 44910 turns and 3:42:51. 15:57:57 !lg * ckiller~~pillar 15:57:58 No games for * (ckiller~~pillar). 15:57:58 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 15:58:08 !lg * ckiller~~block 15:58:09 No games for * (ckiller~~block). 15:58:24 !lg * ckiller~~shapeshifter 15:58:26 4765. baghtru the Severer (L15 HOFi of The Shining One), slain by a spiny frog (shapeshifter) on D:15 (gammafunk_enter_depths_forms) on 2017-01-09 14:12:27, with 65893 points after 15820 turns and 1:28:45. 15:58:51 Basically things from common_name() 15:58:53 !source common_name 15:58:54 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-info.cc#L929 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:04 !lg * ckiller~~helpless s=ckiller 16:01:05 31 games for * (ckiller~~helpless): 4x a helpless orc warrior, 3x the helpless Grinder, 2x a helpless ogre, 2x the helpless Menkaure, 2x a helpless hill giant, the helpless Urug, a helpless hobgoblin, a helpless goliath beetle, a helpless titanic slime creature, a helpless worker ant, a helpless sky beast, a helpless giant gecko, a helpless orc wizard, the helpless Prince Ribbit, the helpless Sigm... 16:01:35 At lot of those are melee-only monsters. How would they kill someone while helpless? 16:01:44 <|amethyst> in some cases, poison 16:01:55 !lg * ckiller~~helpless-log 16:01:56 No games for * (ckiller~~helpless-log). 16:01:58 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller~~helpless_grinder s=ktyp 16:02:01 3 games for * (ckiller~~helpless_grinder): 3x mon 16:02:03 !lg * ckiller~~helpless -log 16:02:06 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller~~helpless_grinder -log 16:02:19 31. AlphaQ, XL8 TeAE, T:6696: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/AlphaQ/morgue-AlphaQ-20111201-001151.txt 16:02:37 3. totalg33k, XL5 SpEn, T:3947: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/totalg33k/morgue-totalg33k-20111125-185306.txt 16:03:06 it looks like that one at least was from a version where monsters could be "helpless" and still attack you 16:03:11 possibly a bug 16:03:54 <|amethyst> huh 16:04:06 <|amethyst> the "helpless" prop should only be set while you are in the process of stabbing 16:04:33 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller~~helpless_grinder x=cv 16:04:51 3. [cv=0.10-a] totalg33k the Miscreant (L5 SpEn), mangled by the helpless Grinder on D:3 on 2011-11-25 18:53:06, with 260 points after 3947 turns and 0:11:08. 16:05:04 it looks like this was mostly around 0.10-a 16:05:12 !lg * ckiller~~helpless s=cv 16:05:15 31 games for * (ckiller~~helpless): 19x 0.10-a, 12x 0.8-a 16:06:13 <|amethyst> oh 16:06:26 <|amethyst> prior to the melee refactoring in 0.10 they weren't set in the same function 16:06:39 <|amethyst> err, it wasn't set and removed in the same function 16:06:49 <|amethyst> so I imagine it was easy to accidentally leave it 16:06:49 ah 16:06:52 yeah 16:07:11 <|amethyst> btw, I think someone mentioned this before, but I concur: 16:07:31 <|amethyst> props[TURNS_SPENT_TRACKING_PLAYER_KEY] should just be a member of class monster 16:07:35 <|amethyst> since every monster has it 16:07:42 <|amethyst> BEZOTTED_KEY can stay a prop 16:09:04 <|amethyst> I'm not sure whether TURNS_SPENT_TRACKING_PLAYER_KEY should be public or not 16:09:39 <|amethyst> err, once it's no longer a prop, I mean whether it should go into monster_info 16:10:50 <|amethyst> I guess it doesn't really matter until we decide to publish it in monster descriptions or mouseovers or a clua API or something 16:10:51 -!- Boop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:14:39 |amethyst: sounds good to me 16:15:02 <|amethyst> Lasty_: oh, a few odd things about where you placed that check 16:15:04 At this point in time I'd prefer to hide it 16:15:12 Which check? 16:15:15 is that dpeg branch up? 16:15:23 gammafunk: yep! 16:15:26 cool 16:15:30 <|amethyst> Lasty_: the call to mon.track_player() 16:15:46 ah, gotcha 16:15:47 <|amethyst> Lasty_: when Lerny tramples a tree, it counts double 16:16:00 whoops 16:16:07 <|amethyst> Lasty_: and when a monster tries to escape a net, that also counts 16:16:15 I don't hate that second part 16:16:32 <|amethyst> yeah, it's not terrible 16:16:48 <|amethyst> it doesn't count when they sit around paralysed, but I guess maybe their brain is paralysed too? 16:17:15 hm, fair point. 16:17:38 It'd be nice to have consistency between immobility types 16:19:51 <|amethyst> Lasty_: oh, and when you do convert that prop to a member variable, maybe add it to debug_stethoscope in wiz-mon.cc so &D shows it 16:20:25 <|amethyst> Lasty_: I think props are automatically handled, but data members have to be explicitly listed 16:20:37 recently infuriated by the ffmpeg command-line tool: https://justpaste.it/12993 16:21:20 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I feel that every time I use OS X, or any Unix with a non-GNU userspace, really 16:21:21 have to have input options before output options lest you get a mysterious error 16:21:35 !tell lasty oh, and when you do convert that prop to a member variable, maybe add it to debug_stethoscope in wiz-mon.cc so &D shows it 16:21:35 Lasty_: OK, I'll let lasty know. 16:21:36 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ls blah/ -l what do you mean no such file or directory? 16:21:43 |amethyst: it even has the audacity to say "The documentation will often specify if an option is global, input, and/or output." 16:21:49 <|amethyst> "often" 16:21:51 |amethyst: thanks! 16:22:07 yes, "often, you'll figure out what the hell is happening, but sometimes not!" 16:22:44 are BSD commands bad for weird command line parsing? 16:22:54 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it's not BSD specifically 16:23:10 <|amethyst> gammafunk: traditionally in Unix, options must come before arguments 16:23:47 <|amethyst> gammafunk: so in `ls blah/ -l` the -l is treated as a filename, not an option 16:24:27 -!- parabolic is now known as elliptic 16:24:30 <|amethyst> gammafunk: GNU did away with that in their getopt (at least, with the recommended flags) 16:24:35 I see 16:24:41 -!- snux has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:24:44 so that adding -l at the end won't confuse ls 16:24:52 <|amethyst> yeah 16:25:03 <|amethyst> there are still some things, like find, where it matters 16:25:21 <|amethyst> because find has both options, and expressions that look like options 16:25:32 <|amethyst> with the latter coming after the directory argument 16:26:30 Quick poll: 1) anyone had a chance to try Poisonous Vapours yet? 2) After having had a little time to think it over, do you buy that OTR obsoletes Poisonous Cloud, or is there value to having both? 16:27:36 <|amethyst> Lasty_: don't know about that, but I did want to ask about duration 16:27:50 <|amethyst> Lasty_: is it intentional that it only becomes a full turn at relatively high spell level? 16:28:08 <|amethyst> Lasty_: it seems it would be simpler to just make it one turn regardless of spellpower 16:28:47 <|amethyst> it's a cloud spell, but it doesn't feel like one because you never actually see the cloud, even if the monster moves immediately 16:29:05 <|amethyst> at least until high spellpower 16:29:36 <|amethyst> ??otr 16:29:37 olgreb's toxic radiance[1/2]: L4 Poison. Poisons creatures in LOS (including you prior to 0.19) multiple times over several turns. Ignores the caster's rPois, unless fully immune to poison. Casting it multiple times in a row will make it stronger! Before 0.19, damage decreased with distance from the caster. 16:29:37 |amethyst: I replied to that question the other day; it's always at least a full turn, since "1" in this context is 10 AUT 16:29:42 <|amethyst> Lasty_: is it? 16:29:50 |amethyst: yep, it gets multiplied by 10 in another method :p 16:29:55 (tho I wish it didn't) 16:30:30 But yeah, you need to get some spellpower before you're likely to actually leave a cloud behind long enough for it to matter. 16:31:01 <|amethyst> Lasty_: ah, I see now 16:31:39 <|amethyst> Lasty_: what about the extension case then? Is cloud_struct::decay measured in dekaaut too? 16:32:00 <|amethyst> ah, no, it's aut 16:32:17 <|amethyst> so the if (cloud) case might need to use 10 * cloud_duration 16:32:21 Lasty_: I don't think there's as much value in having pcloud along with OTR AND fcloud; there is some redundancy with OTR/poison (LOS/AOE poison application, although not exactly the same), redundancy with wand of clouds (has a pcloud effect), redundancy with fcloud (has AOE/cloud damage) 16:33:02 |amethyst: ah, oops. I should update that 16:33:09 if you look at ozo's refridge, that's kind of redundant with fcloud, but the former has a special -potion status thing tradeoff 16:33:12 !tell Lasty |amethyst: so the if (cloud) case might need to use 10 * cloud_duration 16:33:13 Lasty_: OK, I'll let lasty know. 16:33:30 gammafunk: the damage is also different between the two, and there's self-damage 16:33:39 in the case of pcloud/OTR, the damage is the same 16:33:40 <|amethyst> hmm 16:33:49 except that OTR delivers it more effectively 16:33:54 <|amethyst> was the thing about poison clouds "upgrading" meph clouds removed? 16:33:55 which does self-damage? 16:34:01 Ozo's 16:34:07 ah, I'd forgotten 16:34:09 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:34:13 ??refridgeration 16:34:13 refridgeration ~ refrigeration ~ ozocubu's refrigeration[1/3]: A fun and powerful L6 Ice spell that hits everything in LOS (including invisible/submerged things. and YOU, so have cold res) with AC-bypassing cold damage. 50% chance to slow cold-blooded monsters. In 0.15+, it prevents potion quaffing for 7-15 turns. Works nicely in many places, e.g. Slime, Snake, Elf, Zig. 16:34:15 It's non-negligible unless you have rC++ or so 16:34:21 wow, fun AND powerful 16:34:23 bold claims 16:34:24 <|amethyst> pcloud has effects on monster AI 16:34:32 |amethyst: ah, true 16:34:38 Tho by the time you learn it, that's rarely true 16:34:41 <|amethyst> though they're a little wonky at the best of times 16:34:46 <|amethyst> yeah, that's true 16:34:47 it also has the slowness thing for cold-blooded, which I don't think fcloud has 16:34:52 |amethyst: what's that about meph clouds upgrading into pclouds? 16:34:58 gammafunk: ah, true 16:35:06 but yeah that'd be fairly minor all the same 16:35:25 ??otr 16:35:26 olgreb's toxic radiance[1/2]: L4 Poison. Poisons creatures in LOS (including you prior to 0.19) multiple times over several turns. Ignores the caster's rPois, unless fully immune to poison. Casting it multiple times in a row will make it stronger! Before 0.19, damage decreased with distance from the caster. 16:35:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:50 Ignores the caster's rPois... 16:35:57 is that applying to before 0.19 16:36:37 -!- firemonkey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:36:43 <|amethyst> yes 16:36:48 ??otr[2 16:36:49 genericpseudonym[1/2]: don't draw from a deck of war with OTR active I completely surrounded myself with hostile hornets 16:37:53 -!- Jack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:38:25 ??ice beast 16:38:25 ice beast[1/1]: They claw you, and they freeze you when they do. Can be dangerous to low-level characters, and can also destroy your potions (not anymore in 0.15+!). 16:38:31 ??summon ice beast 16:38:31 summon ice beast[1/2]: L4 summon/ice spell, summons a single {ice beast} with quite high duration. Both duration and HD scale with spellpower. 16:38:35 !learn set otr[1] L4 Poison spell. Poisons creatures in LOS multiple times over several turns. Casting it multiple times in a row will make it stronger! 16:38:36 otr[1/1]: L4 Poison spell. Poisons creatures in LOS multiple times over several turns. Casting it multiple times in a row will make it stronger! 16:40:06 !learn add otr Before 0.19, it would also poison the caster, ignoring rPois unless the caster was fully immune to poison, and damage decreased with distance from the caster. 16:40:07 otr[2/2]: Before 0.19, it would also poison the caster, ignoring rPois unless the caster was fully immune to poison, and damage decreased with distance from the caster. 16:40:17 ??otr[2 16:40:17 otr[2/2]: Before 0.19, it would also poison the caster, ignoring rPois unless the caster was fully immune to poison, and damage decreased with distance from the caster. 16:40:36 oh, did someone delete the old otr[2 16:41:11 <|amethyst> ??olgreb's toxic radiance[2] 16:41:12 genericpseudonym[1/2]: don't draw from a deck of war with OTR active I completely surrounded myself with hostile hornets 16:41:15 ah 16:41:19 oopsie 16:41:35 <|amethyst> !learn mv otr[1] olgreb's_toxic_radiance[1] 16:41:36 otr[1] -> olgreb's toxic radiance[1/3]: L4 Poison spell. Poisons creatures in LOS multiple times over several turns. Casting it multiple times in a row will make it stronger! 16:41:46 <|amethyst> !learn mv otr[2] olgreb's_toxic_radiance[2] 16:41:46 I don't have a page labeled otr[2] in my learndb. 16:41:46 <|amethyst> !learn mv otr[1] olgreb's_toxic_radiance[2] 16:41:46 otr[1] -> olgreb's toxic radiance[2/4]: Before 0.19, it would also poison the caster, ignoring rPois unless the caster was fully immune to poison, and damage decreased with distance from the caster. 16:41:53 ??otr[3 16:41:53 I don't have a page labeled otr[3] in my learndb. Did you mean: str, tr. 16:42:05 <|amethyst> !learn add otr see {olgreb's toxic radiance} 16:42:06 otr[1/1]: see {olgreb's toxic radiance} 16:42:07 <|amethyst> ??otr[3 16:42:08 olgreb's toxic radiance[3/4]: L4 Poison. Poisons creatures in LOS (including you prior to 0.19) multiple times over several turns. Ignores the caster's rPois, unless fully immune to poison. Casting it multiple times in a row will make it stronger! Before 0.19, damage decreased with distance from the caster. 16:42:12 <|amethyst> !learn del otr[3] 16:42:13 ??otr[2 16:42:13 otr has only 1 entry. 16:42:13 olgreb's toxic radiance[2/4]: Before 0.19, it would also poison the caster, ignoring rPois unless the caster was fully immune to poison, and damage decreased with distance from the caster. 16:42:20 ??otr 16:42:21 olgreb's toxic radiance[1/4]: L4 Poison spell. Poisons creatures in LOS multiple times over several turns. Casting it multiple times in a row will make it stronger! 16:42:23 ??otr[2 16:42:24 olgreb's toxic radiance[2/4]: Before 0.19, it would also poison the caster, ignoring rPois unless the caster was fully immune to poison, and damage decreased with distance from the caster. 16:42:24 <|amethyst> !learn del olgreb's_toxic_radiance[3] 16:42:24 Deleted olgreb's toxic radiance[3/4]: L4 Poison. Poisons creatures in LOS (including you prior to 0.19) multiple times over several turns. Ignores the caster's rPois, unless fully immune to poison. Casting it multiple times in a row will make it stronger! Before 0.19, damage decreased with distance from the caster. 16:42:32 <|amethyst> ??otr[3] 16:42:32 genericpseudonym[1/2]: don't draw from a deck of war with OTR active I completely surrounded myself with hostile hornets 16:42:36 cool, thanks 16:42:52 hrm, does it poison allies then? 16:43:00 I guess it would 16:43:44 <|amethyst> monster casters don't hurt allies, but players do 16:44:03 Lasty_: now you've added poison magic reform to you list that includes ranged reform, luring reform, and food reform 16:44:06 Ugh, I think PHP Traits aren't inherited from their parent class. 16:44:30 me? I'm just messing around with teleporters and removing things 16:44:43 gammafunk: don't forget trap reform, artefact reform, Depths reform . . . 16:44:52 Foo Reform 16:44:59 Oh, and curse reform 16:45:10 I thought you were done with artefact reform? 16:45:13 well yeah 16:45:17 I'm listing all my reforms 16:45:25 am I still doing other things with posion? 16:45:25 ...you didn't list amulet reform.... 16:45:34 gammafunk: I'm just too productive! 16:45:41 Foo Reform might be a good team name 16:46:01 make it some kind of pun or rhyme and then it'd be great 16:46:16 Make Reform Great Again! (not a suggestion) 16:47:42 It's a weak pun on food, I guess 16:49:15 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:51:49 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:56:35 -!- mroovka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:25 !tell PleasingFungus Devs should differentiated this race instead of removed. It has a lot of fans. Instead they taunt us with meme frogs from 4chan. 17:00:25 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 17:01:26 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:03:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:13:06 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:14:23 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:10 Pleasingfungus: what's the design goal w/ barachians? 17:15:19 meme frogs from 4chan 17:15:23 that's it. 17:15:30 gammafunk: sounds legit 17:15:37 next up, meme dogs from SA 17:15:42 Meme Frogs from 4chan sounds like a team name too 17:15:55 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:09 yeah, although I'm sure an Obama joke will take top billing 17:17:53 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:02 Lasty_: hop 17:18:12 Lasty_: my understanding is that the design is mostly about giving you access to an early semicontrolled blink, with slow movement and poor attributes as the tradeoff. "is semi cblink good enough that you're willing to give up all this stuff" 17:18:25 that's what i said. 17:18:42 mine is the "too short, didn't read" version 17:18:44 better than my "it's the sound that sheep make" explanation 17:19:06 if i ever hear a sheep say "barachian" i am going to be real worried 17:19:30 that is what sheep say! they just get cut-off by the other sheep mid-word 17:19:31 16:33:54 <|amethyst> was the thing about poison clouds "upgrading" meph clouds removed? <- yes, probably about six months ago 17:19:38 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:19 someone should ask lightli to check on 4chan, see how they're liking meme frogs 17:20:22 or perhaps not 17:20:48 I will 17:22:11 just noticed that Pleasingfungus used the jump attack icon for Hop 17:22:20 ...trying to insult me... 17:22:38 hm, i don't remember if the commit for that was ever online before i rebased it away 17:23:24 as I've said, the shitty attributes feel like a more noticable drawback than the slow movement 17:23:30 since you don't move that slowly 17:23:52 9d31d17 HEAD@{54}: commit: Brand-new, very exciting Hop ability tile 17:23:59 god 17:24:18 i'd just started drawing my own 17:24:21 and then inspiration struck 17:24:34 if I see anothing commit giving them blonde hair I'm really going to !flip some tables for real 17:24:46 brb adding blond hair to barachian tiles 17:25:32 hm 17:26:17 !tell canofworms any update on frogtiles? i just realized that 'this evening' came and went :( 17:26:18 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let canofworms know. 17:27:26 gammafunk: You were the one who removed High Elves 17:27:37 nope 17:27:37 giving them blonde hair would only be reminding you of your sins 17:27:42 wait what 17:27:42 I didn't do it 17:27:50 MarvinPA? 17:27:53 yes. 17:28:10 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=ab3cf41a373173a495257f2d9559b6c6dfb43c30 17:28:12 I had nothing to do with it at all 17:28:20 author gammafunk 17:28:25 uh, well let's see 17:28:31 ab3cf41a373173a495257f2d9559b6c6dfb43c30 17:28:34 %git ab3cf41a373173a495257f2d9559b6c6dfb43c30 17:28:34 07gammafunk02 {MarvinPA} * 0.20-a0-295-gab3cf41: Remove High Elves 10(4 months ago, 29 files, 54+ 164-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab3cf41a3731 17:28:38 {MarvinPA} 17:28:43 so looks like I had nothing to do with it 17:28:51 the {}s symbolizer innocence. 17:28:56 no. lie. 17:30:19 i would never {lie} 17:33:22 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:34:09 Barachians get red Engulf status. Imo this doesn't go along with them being amphibious. 17:35:00 Pleasingfungus: Do I correctly understand that the goal is "implement a species that has inaccurate cblink, aka hop, and also make that species fairly balanced"? 17:35:20 Lasty_: i feel like you're setting up some kind of trap 17:35:39 each question draws me closer to the cheese. then bam! the jaws shut 17:36:09 Pleasingfungus: I'm not, I just want to know what the goal is before I make any suggestions. 17:36:18 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:20 E.g., if "hop" is the goal, "remove hop" is a terrible suggestion. 17:36:44 Or if "challenge race with hop" is the goal, then "remove slow movement" might be a bad suggestion 17:37:07 ok. in that case, i will - TENTATIVELY! - agree with your summary 17:37:17 they're not supposed to be a challenge race 17:37:24 In that case, I would offer that you might want to choose one of bad attributes and slow movement. 17:38:08 The barachian I played felt very weak, even as an IE. I felt like I had to kite extensively. 17:38:27 (kiting being the default way to make up for a weak character) 17:38:52 well how much of that was due to stat 17:38:56 isn't it 2 less per stat 17:39:04 compared to say hu 17:39:17 so 6/6/6/ vs 8/8/8 17:39:21 AMagicalLamp (L27 FoMo) ASSERT(mthing.holding_monster() == mon) in 'mon-gear.cc' at line 83 failed. (D (Sprint)) 17:39:29 huh, that's an unusual crash 17:39:36 Lasty_: my barachians have felt pretty strong so far 17:39:45 for IE probably you're not going to feel too much from that -2 Int 17:39:54 gammafunk: starting with 6 str on an IE makes wearing armor pretty awful, and their dex makes it hard to gain enough EV to matter. 17:39:56