00:00:00 dang 00:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:08 what is the idea of the cyno species. also what is a cyno. 00:00:16 floodkiller needs to work on his commit titles... 00:00:25 !commit fix commit that might be broken (this commit too may be broken) 00:00:26 03johnstein ⛐ 0.20-a0-2019-gb7664f5: fix commit that might be broken (this commit too may be broken) 10(in the future, 28 files, 506+ 643-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7664f5 00:00:28 looks like dogpeople with high apts but low skill caps 00:01:07 I actually learned to write better commits (I think) by reading crawl commits. no one here ever believes me when I say I learned something 00:01:18 namely the 72-char-max commit message title, newline, 75-char-max commit message body 00:01:21 thing 00:01:25 git commit -am "fix a typo" is now one of my favorite commit messages 00:01:47 Oops Oops is pretty good 00:02:17 answering the question: "when these changes are added to the repo, this commit will..." is a good way to write nice commits 00:03:08 well I gave Floodkiller some pointers when he made his last commit, I think 00:03:11 probably he just forgot 00:03:31 I think that was over a year ago, so probably yeah 00:03:37 but he can do a rebase and go through those messages, possibly flattening some would be good too 00:03:39 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:03:55 since it's just your branch it's nbd to rebase at this point 00:04:11 and I don't know how any other devs feel about this race in terms of plausibility for trunk 00:05:11 i'm opposed to the addition of new content to crawl. it's removal from here on out for this dev 00:05:16 cbro has a fairly low bar probably. I should look into segregating the experimentals into "Official" and "Unofficial" 00:05:30 yeah I don't mean for cbro, that's up to johnstein 00:05:42 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:06:04 some nomenclature like that might help, johnstein 00:06:06 and then just incorporate some sort of tip jar so the rich devs can push theirs higher. there will even be a category for BIGGER FONT 00:06:31 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:06:46 FLASHING TEXT and different colors too, but I'll have to price those accordingly. I don't want to cheapen the sanctity of the server 00:07:24 !tell canofworms were you still thinking of making tiles for frogs? 00:07:25 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let canofworms know. 00:07:56 if I tell Lasty_ will that also go to Lasty if he changes his nick? 00:08:02 is Sequell that smart? 00:08:16 Floodkiller, I may not get to putting it up till this weekend 00:08:22 just so you know 00:08:31 that's fine 00:09:51 johnstein: no, you have to !tell one or the other 00:10:25 Lasty probably will see it under that nick if you tell him there 00:10:34 hes been in channel recently 00:10:49 !tell Lasty_ I've actually been keeping an eye out for that branch. I'll try to get it up over the weekend 00:10:50 johnstein: OK, I'll let lasty_ know. 00:11:19 oh, you told Lasty_ 00:11:24 oops 00:11:54 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:11:59 you said 'that nick' and I used both. I assumed I could use either. that's the one he used. I'm sure word will make it back to him somehow 00:13:03 !tell Lasty check messages on Lasty_ to recieve an epic dunk from johnstein 00:13:04 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:13:07 just in case 00:13:29 ?/epic dunk 00:13:30 No matches. 00:13:32 ?/dunk 00:13:33 No matches. 00:13:35 ?/epic 00:13:36 Matching terms (1): epic_bugs; entries (9): +72_club[1] | diesel_teams[3] | hilarious_bugs[1] | hilarious_deaths[72] | large_race[5] | loudcrawl[1] | orb_of_electricity[1] | theoverlord[3] | xom_bug[1] 00:13:36 too epic for learndb 00:13:51 ??theoverlord 00:13:52 theoverlord[1/3]: Thinks an IRC-built learndb is cool. 00:14:50 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:54 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:31:39 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-443-g0464b71 (34) 00:43:31 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:45:23 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/425 * 0.20-a0-444-g873c998: Add Cyno species. Add Cynos, a species with a +2 apt in all skills, but a max skill of 14. 10(16 minutes ago, 16 files, 137+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/873c9982a5d4 00:45:23 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/425 * 0.20-a0-445-gae6d0ad: Oops Oops 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ae6d0adf5e9e 00:45:23 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/425 * 0.20-a0-460-gf2c886d: Merge branch 'cynocephalus' of https://github.com/Floodkiller/crawl into cynocephalus 10(4 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f2c886d35b14 00:46:43 cynocephalus.... 00:47:32 hrm 00:47:41 gammafunk: how about this: give froggos tongue apport with a hunger cost 00:51:10 or make all ammo mulch 00:51:33 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:38 that or is wrt the hunger cost 00:54:21 'long tongue' could even be a random goodmut, in principle. 00:54:25 is being able to apport ammo really that big of a deal 00:55:00 the only real abuse i see with it is unlucky gladiators re-throwing their nets 00:55:14 -!- Wiggles has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:55:24 -!- droogie_ is now known as droogie 00:57:10 i'm just imagining hypothetically optimal ranged characters mashing a 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:16 idk, maybe it'd be fine... apport does exist already 01:01:27 but not at xl 1 for 0 mp 01:04:05 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:07:37 damn 01:07:40 imagine the frog zigs 01:08:08 like frog legs 01:08:09 ProzacElf: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:08:10 but in zig form 01:08:17 just a big ol pile of frogs 01:09:09 @??goblin 01:09:09 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-5 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 01:14:02 Pleasingfungus, if you wanted a new class that wouldn't be zealot hell, but merely floor hell, you could go with Jelly Knight, or the Just Kidding about victory class 01:14:13 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:14:23 jelly knight = very no 01:16:03 pleasingfungus, if you wanted to give frogs apport, then you'd want to improve the targeting 01:16:22 ? 01:16:22 Simply first prioritze anything on the autopickup list 01:16:25 heh 01:16:29 I think it defaults to the furthest thing or whateve 01:16:43 there is a cost to making it more complex, of course 01:17:04 less player predictability 01:17:08 beware the complexity cost! 01:17:41 Singularity: the new apport, brings all the loot towards you while also drawing monsters outside your LOS closer. 01:17:51 probably there's not much muscle memory with current apport either 01:18:54 !learn edit gammafunk[3] s/HOWn/BaWn/ 01:18:55 gammafunk[3/6]: greateroneandwon chars: DEEE DgAs FeFE FoSk HaWr BaWn MfAM MuWz OgAE OpVM TeAK 01:20:06 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-443-g0464b71 (34) 01:20:54 Probably are cases, but is there any reason it can't simply grab everything, say three tiles a turn, now that monsters aren't using or eating anything any more 01:22:46 not sure. you'd want to answer: now that monsters don't pick up seen floor items, why apport useful? 01:23:01 (a) is runes, which isn't really relevant to this discussion either way 01:23:06 (b) is...? 01:25:53 -!- kuzimoto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:26:45 apport lets you steal things from oklobs 01:26:50 and other unpleasant sorts 01:26:55 gimmick vaults 01:26:56 before you'd want to engage them properly 01:27:46 liberally apporting in dangerous settings also means you're getting loot about seven steps early 01:27:56 which can be very big if it's a book 01:31:15 -!- sneakyness has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 01:37:01 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:33 so when does CBRO update 01:39:05 ??rebuild[2 01:39:06 rebuild[2/2]: Trunk update start times in UTC (second number during summer time): CAO: 1700; CDO: 0600/0500; CLAN: 2300/2200; CBRO: 0800/0700; CXC: 0500/0400; CPO: every 15 minutes; CJR: every hour 01:39:14 12:15am or so, PST 01:39:54 ^status 01:39:54 28 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=97% (135GB) | RAM usage=25% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 01:39:53 up 14 days, 6:33, 3 users, load average: 0.54, 0.72, 0.67 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org 01:40:08 CBRO disk seems close to full 01:40:14 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:29 yup 01:40:34 that's how we like to run it 01:41:10 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507]] 01:41:21 ^status 01:41:21 28 Crawlers. CBRO disk usage=73% (135GB) | RAM usage=26% (4GB)| uptime/CPU= 01:41:20 up 14 days, 6:35, 4 users, load average: 0.91, 0.80, 0.70 (4 Cores) http://status.berotato.org 01:41:25 ah there we go 01:41:34 (ttyrecs finally got done) 01:45:19 yeah I normally don't care about when CBRO updates 01:45:22 but 01:45:24 !greatplayer 01:45:30 Unwon species for Lightli: Barachian 01:49:53 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54:43 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:55:25 there, fixed the PR 01:57:13 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-443-g0464b71 01:57:35 New branch created: pull/426 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/426 01:57:35 03Floodkiller02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/426 * 0.20-a0-444-g3734ce0: Add Cyno species. Add Cynos, a species with a +2 apt in all skills, but a max skill of 14. 10(88 minutes ago, 16 files, 131+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3734ce08e09f 01:57:47 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:15 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:03:23 Really, the only time I really value apportation is a few vaults, and when I'm using javelins and large rocks 02:03:51 !tell FloodKiller, also remember the rewrite the commit message to have a proper title+body 02:03:52 Sorry gammafunk, I don't know who floodkiller, is. 02:03:55 !tell FloodKiller also remember the rewrite the commit message to have a proper title+body 02:03:56 gammafunk: OK, I'll let floodkiller know. 02:04:32 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:04:34 I'm too fond of it to suggest removing it, but I don't think it'd really be missed. 02:04:47 Still like it more than Shroud of Golubria though 02:07:03 !tell FloodKiller Where's the HP apt, and how come they only have starting stats of 5 in every stat? 02:07:03 Lightli: OK, I'll let floodkiller know. 02:08:13 -!- voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:18:45 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:58 Lightli: I can link you a post on half of that exact topic if you'd like 02:22:08 sure 02:22:21 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796405&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=58#post467954698 02:23:31 thanks 02:37:40 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 02:43:40 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50:18 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:54:29 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-443-g0464b71 03:00:04 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:18 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:17 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:46:19 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:51:11 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:56:22 -!- Rast has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 03:56:38 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:13 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:17 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 04:04:53 -!- saty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:07:04 !stats ba 04:07:05 Go start a ba if you want me to know its starting stats. 04:30:15 -!- Guest95354 is now known as bhaak 04:35:06 -!- surr_ is now known as surr 04:44:26 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:49:31 -!- Amnesiac_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:54:30 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:59:47 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:18:00 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 05:19:46 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:35:32 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:35:53 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:40:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:40:55 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:57:34 How can I make it so a particular species does not have access to an ability? 05:58:12 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:08 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-555-gf1c687b: Fix heavenly blade for characters without opposable thumbs 10(in the future, 1 file, 10+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f1c687b7afba 06:05:08 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-556-g64dbfdd: Wall jumping no longer distracts inanimate objects 10(in the future, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/64dbfddb0402 06:10:17 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-557-ge936ed1: Distraction now always scales with unarmed combat 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e936ed1f236d 06:36:18 SteelNeuron: does heavenly blade need an icon 06:38:19 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:39:39 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:51:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:55:47 !tell PleasingFungus Beat the new frog race first before anyone else. Strange to say this but I somehow felt more problems from the lower stats than I did the slow movement, even before I found boots of running and went back to a normal race's movement delay 06:55:48 Lightli: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:57:12 !tell PleasingFungus Also boots of running remove 2 move delay for said race; is that a bug? 06:57:12 Lightli: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 07:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:00 !tell PleasingFungus Hop was good the whole game as an escape option: from getting away from a bad orc pack in the Dungeon before I found teleport and blink scrolls to getting away from a bad draconian pack in Zot where said teleport and blink scrolls stop being anywhere near as good. 07:06:00 Lightli: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 07:24:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:49:19 -!- aspy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:59:29 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:57 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:05:49 03Lasty02 07* 0.20-a0-444-g03c7170: Simplify some math. 10(11 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/03c7170ead7e 08:06:56 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:18:33 -!- darkschneider has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:51 -!- darkschneider has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:06 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:23:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:47 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:15 Is the fact that orb spiders' orbs don't blow up rock walls now intended? Part of disintegrate reform? What about player's ood? 08:35:40 <|amethyst> it was part of disintegrate reform. I don't know about "intended": it was intended that player IOOD no longer destroy walls. Monster IOOD kind of went along for the ride 08:36:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:38:09 seems right then 08:38:17 thanks 08:47:24 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:24 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-444-g03c7170 (34) 09:12:24 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:39 -!- bannakaf_ has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:16:53 -!- CodeQualityGuy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:03 !tell Lasty Could you please split up %git 0464b71d into three commits and give them proper titles? Thanks in advance from all future DCSS devs! 09:21:03 CodeQualityGuy: OK, I'll let lasty know. 09:21:37 -!- CodeQualityGuy has left ##crawl-dev 09:25:35 !tell codequalityguy no, because rewriting the past Isn't Done. 09:25:35 Lasty_: OK, I'll let codequalityguy know. 09:44:17 also, future DCSS devs wouldn't want us to split that into three commits 09:44:18 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:45:57 %git 3734ce08e09fe0050cd1411db2483925b4b07522 09:45:57 07Floodkiller02 * 0.20-a0-444-g3734ce0: Add Cyno species. Add Cynos, a species with a +2 apt in all skills, but a max skill of 14. 10(9 hours ago, 16 files, 131+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3734ce08e09f 09:46:54 !tell FloodKiller Re 3734ce0, it looks like you just forgot the empty line after the commit title. 09:46:55 gammafunk: OK, I'll let floodkiller know. 09:47:08 ah, whoops 09:47:08 Floodkiller: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:47:56 do you want me to pull it back and resubmit it? 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:39 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:00 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:16:09 -!- cmcbot has quit [Excess Flood] 10:20:32 -!- snapek has quit [Quit: bbiaf, rebooting and upgrading host] 10:21:33 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:24:37 gammafunk: future DCSS devs would probably want us to rewrite it in alienese 10:26:10 Floodkiller: I'm not sure this species is a good idea -- I'd expect them to have a really easy early game followed by a pretty easy midgame. They lightly "force" getting a wide range of skills, but they also make it trivially good, so they'll only be a meaningful difference from normal for players who have never tried getting a variety of skills. 10:30:10 Lasty_: that may be true, and I fully expect that the species will likely not be implemented in the end. I'm trying out giving them extremely low stats and slower leveling right now, and I'll try other methods towards creating harder lategames without affecting the versatility, but I also accept that it may just be fundamentally flawed 10:31:33 Floodkiller: You might also want to try a lower level limit, like 10. That would be a significantly more radical shift in terms of available strategies. The high apts would still trivialize early game I think, but at least your midgame would be different. 10:31:52 Please gave second prompt when attacking allies under good gods and Oka. 10:32:20 Player expects the first prompt so he often presses 'y' without reading. 10:32:24 give* 10:32:38 I may try that next 10:32:54 though I'm not sure if I want to bring the stats back up when I do so 10:52:57 -!- Floodkiller_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:24 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:53:24 -!- ddubois has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:53:59 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:54:35 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:56:07 -!- Floodkiller_ has quit [Client Quit] 10:56:27 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:58 Yermak, wouldn't the player start to expect the second prompt too? 11:07:38 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:38 that's something of a losing proposition, yeh 11:30:44 -!- saty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:32:06 -!- CodeQualityGuy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:14 !messages 11:32:15 (1/1) Lasty_ said (2h 6m 40s ago): no, because rewriting the past Isn't Done. 11:32:24 What a shame! Anyway, who needs that "one-change-one-commit" nonsense or a commit message that fully describes what the commit really does? 11:32:34 Which commit removed the P.Cloud player spell? Elementary my dear Watson, the one titled "Add new L2 Poison/Air spell, Noxious Vapours." 11:32:40 Sorry for the rant 11:32:45 I see why they call you the CodeQualityGuy. 11:32:45 Pleasingfungus: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:35:08 -!- bannakaffalatta has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:36:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:59 !tell lightli the weird runboot/frogmove interaction seems to be a result of how MUT_SLOW is applied in player_movement_speed(); lightning scales might have an even greater effect... 11:37:09 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let lightli know. 11:37:09 ??lightning scales 11:37:09 lightning scales[1/2]: +6 naga barding of running with rElec. 11:37:10 ??lightning scales[2 11:37:11 goodmantis[6/11]: 0005611: Received +3 lightning scales {sslith, rElec} barding as NaSt. 11:38:07 yeah, i think these bump you from 1.4 to 1.1 11:38:16 if i'm reading it right 11:45:12 it might make more sense for MUT_SLOW/FAST to just have a flat effect, rather than multiplying both base speed and most other movement speed effects 11:45:14 idk tho 11:56:41 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:58 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 12:02:55 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:06:52 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10:39 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:47 !messages 12:10:47 No messages for SteelNeuron. 12:12:02 Brannock: yermak's point is that under other gods, you sometimes attack allies on purpose, eg killing an enslaved thing before it reverts to an enemy 12:12:14 you say yes, really kill this thing, because of course that's fine 12:12:37 but under okawaru, you're not just being warned that the monster will stop being your friend (who cares), but that your god will murder you 12:12:43 Ah, I see 12:12:57 i died to that once 12:13:03 Could just require a 'yes' prompt in that case, instead of 'y' 12:13:13 to avoid introducing a second one 12:13:23 yes, i think two prompts is obviously the wrong solution 12:15:27 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:16:12 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:17:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:18:19 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-558-gbeb3d6b: Fix duplicate heavenly blade prompt 10(in the future, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/beb3d6b9d9af 12:19:02 "yes" seems fine to me but i'm not a UI designer 12:19:27 also it probably should be more broad than specifically "when attacking an ally under a god who hates that", but i'm not sure how broad. all penance prompts? 12:19:56 nice coincidence with duplicate god prompts :P 12:24:44 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:27:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-444-g03c7170 (34) 12:27:54 <|amethyst> amalloy: "when you would get two prompts for the same action", though implementation-wise that's just a bunch of special cases 12:28:05 <|amethyst> amalloy: but you need the special cases anyway to avoid prompting twice 12:28:25 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:40 -!- johlstei_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:40 <|amethyst> amalloy: or maybe just "when you would get a penance prompt and another prompt for the same action" 12:32:46 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:33:50 Entry vault can kill with autoexplore 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10879 by Le_Nerd 12:44:40 Lasty_: "noxious vapours" seems like not a good choice of spell name, since that's pretty much what meph clouds are described as ("There is a cloud of noxious fumes here. 12:44:41 ", created by the monster spell "noxious cloud") 12:49:08 MarvinPA: Projected Poop Smell 12:53:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59:48 btw I asked this before but nobody was around 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:02 Is there an easy way to make a god ability just not exist for a certain species? 13:00:44 no 13:00:47 With the new iteration, felids can worship the council god just fine, they just can't project weapons. 13:00:58 I mean, there's nothing wrong with leaving it in, other than it's a bit inelegant 13:01:07 you can filter it out in ability.cc, but that won't stop messages from appearing from religion.cc 13:01:15 maybe you could do something with god_passive? 13:03:44 felids don't get bless weapon abilities and that works fine, doesn't it? 13:04:01 and they have no mention of them on ^ 13:04:45 so probably just do whatever those do 13:05:01 oh, hm 13:05:38 ability.cc:fixup_ability, but i'm surprised that deals with messaging 13:09:21 <|amethyst> if it gets turned into ABIL_NO_ABILITY, there's nothing to give a message about 13:09:33 cool, thanks! 13:09:33 huh 13:09:34 <|amethyst> s/NO_/NON_/ 13:09:37 well, i stand corrected 13:12:39 yep that works like a charm, it even takes the ability description from the god powers window 13:12:45 great, felids are fully supported now :) 13:15:00 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-559-g0e9f149: Fully support felid council god worshippers 10(in the future, 2 files, 10+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0e9f14971cfb 13:19:32 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:39 -!- knu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:27:49 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:59 -!- CodeQualityGuy has left ##crawl-dev 13:32:00 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:32 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507]] 13:40:56 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:14 MarvinPA: yeah, gammafunk pointed that out last night. I haven't had a chance to get back in and do the rename. Poisonous Vapours might do it. 13:41:23 MarvinPA: I'm open to bikeshedding 13:42:36 that's what i was going to suggest too 13:42:38 so yeah, sounds good 13:44:13 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:44:22 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:45:18 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:48:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:22 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:31 rip poisonous cloud 13:55:07 Only slightly more rip than before 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:25 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:01 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:08:29 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:32 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 14:09:49 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:06 I don't know who "CodeQualityGuy" is but they aren't great at what their name suggests 14:12:59 * geekosaur thought there was a law about names like that (namely that they usually mean the opposite) 14:19:57 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:38 -!- Rotatell has quit [*.net *.split] 14:22:02 -!- Mindiell_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:02 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:26 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [*.net *.split] 14:22:26 -!- Mindiell has quit [*.net *.split] 14:22:26 -!- Mattias has quit [*.net *.split] 14:23:12 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:36 Lasty_: i'm confused by https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/03c7170ead7e - that doesn't look like a semantics-preserving simplification, right? for example, with pow=20 the old version always gave duration=1, and the new version can give duration=2 14:29:49 i'm not saying that the old formula is sacred and correct and Must Never Change, but i wouldn't expect a commit called "simplify some math" to change it 14:32:20 In help menu for wiz mode commands, 'g' is listed twice 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10880 by DivineHammer 14:32:32 amalloy: Given that no one had really ingested or used the old formula I didn't feel the need to document it thoroughly, but yeah, it's not purely a simplification. 14:33:40 As for the +1, I mostly just preferred aethetically that it be possible to roll duration = power / 10 14:35:30 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:23 03amalloy02 07* 0.20-a0-445-gc6cb2a6: Remove incorrect wizmode help key (DivineHammer, #0010880) 10(52 seconds ago, 2 files, 11+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c6cb2a6cf402 14:39:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:39:58 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:54 -!- chan20 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:50 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:09:22 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-445-gc6cb2a6 (34) 15:10:15 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:58 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:13:41 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:33:29 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:14 -!- Zannick has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 15:37:29 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:28 the guy making IJC is steelneuron, correct? 15:39:17 yes 15:42:37 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:16 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:48:48 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:56:01 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:56:52 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:59:03 -!- Zargon has quit [Client Quit] 15:59:12 ??rod 15:59:13 rod[1/4]: Contains a spell. Wield and Evoke to cast it. Uses an internal mana pool which recharges gradually over time, even if not wielded. A scroll of recharging increases a rod's limit and enchantment by 1d2 (up to a max of 17 and +9 respectively), and (always) recharges its mp to full. See {rods} for a list of types. 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:51 learn edit rod[1] s/$/ RIP./ 16:04:14 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:18 !seen amalloy 16:04:18 I last saw amalloy at Fri Jan 6 21:00:51 2017 UTC (3m 27s ago) saying 'learn edit rod[1] s/$/ RIP./' on ##crawl-dev. 16:04:34 amalloy: what on earth is going on with .gitignore in c6cb2a6cf40274d273a01d17a3d27ebcadb7c3f6? 16:04:44 %git c6cb2a6cf40274d273a01d17a3d27ebcadb7c3f6 16:04:44 07amalloy02 * 0.20-a0-445-gc6cb2a6: Remove incorrect wizmode help key (DivineHammer, #0010880) 10(89 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c6cb2a6cf402 16:04:50 oh dang 16:04:56 i didn't mean to commit changes to gitignore there 16:05:03 i figured 16:05:05 :P 16:05:09 commit -a considered harmful?? 16:05:19 well, it is harmful, but i didn't do that 16:05:36 i had added it on purpose, because you have to add it to see how it behaves 16:05:44 (and i was fiddling with trying to simplify it) 16:05:46 er 16:05:48 do you? 16:06:07 update: you don't 16:06:14 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:20 i guess not 16:07:24 03amalloy02 07* 0.20-a0-446-g9649680: Revert accidental change to gitignore 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/964968034346 16:07:34 Pleasingfungus: good news, though: i got to author a commit whose abbreviated sha contains no letters 16:07:48 heh 16:07:50 rare treat! 16:08:43 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:08:47 (10/16)^10 = 0.1%! 16:09:08 or, no. 0.9% 16:09:14 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:40 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:12:40 amalloy: do you never read your commit diffs before pushing?! 16:12:59 I always do, but I guess not everyone likes to do that 16:13:03 well, i use git add -p to review them as i add them. normally i don't have uncommitted-but-added changes lying around 16:13:17 this time i did, so my habit was not successful 16:13:29 sure, I do likewise, but I'm too scared not to read the final diff 16:13:58 works less well when you have a long series of commits, of course 16:14:15 ??rod 16:14:15 rod[1/4]: Contains a spell. Wield and Evoke to cast it. Uses an internal mana pool which recharges gradually over time, even if not wielded. A scroll of recharging increases a rod's limit and enchantment by 1d2 (up to a max of 17 and +9 respectively), and (always) recharges its mp to full. See {rods} for a list of types. 16:15:03 eh. i'll end up pushing dumb stuff anyway even if i read it. i can't prevent myself from looking dumb, so i just accept it 16:15:39 yeah, being paranoid works a lot better when you don't push many commits 16:15:51 well, i don't 16:16:16 sure, but if I made a lot more, I'd probably end up being frustrated with time spent double-checking 16:16:36 ??scattershot 16:16:37 I don't have a page labeled scattershot in my learndb. 16:16:41 ??wand of scattershot 16:16:42 I don't have a page labeled wand_of_scattershot in my learndb. 16:17:10 ??rods 16:17:10 rods[1/1]: clouds, destruction, ignition, inaccuracy, lightning, shadows, iron, swarm 16:17:25 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:33 new IJC looks very nice 16:17:49 gammafunk: no doubt my lackadaisical approach is a subconscious reaction to the code-reviews-mandatory policy at work 16:17:51 substantially less complex both from gameplay and code standpoints, but preserves the spirit of the original proposal 16:18:04 amalloy: you're so Punk! 16:18:28 get a punk haircut and a ripped t-shirt with "F**k your code reviews" on it 16:18:34 imagine how many +s and -s i could get by "accidentally" committing a removal of every file and reverting it 16:18:35 -!- darkschneider has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:53 -!- darkschneider has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:06 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:19:33 !learn edit rod[1] s/$/Rods are removed in 0.20, see {rods[2]}. 16:19:33 rod[1/4]: Contains a spell. Wield and Evoke to cast it. Uses an internal mana pool which recharges gradually over time, even if not wielded. A scroll of recharging increases a rod's limit and enchantment by 1d2 (up to a max of 17 and +9 respectively), and (always) recharges its mp to full. See {rods} for a list of types.Rods are removed in 0.20, see {rods[2]}. 16:19:50 !learn edit rod[1] s/s\.R/s. R/ 16:19:51 rod[1/4]: Contains a spell. Wield and Evoke to cast it. Uses an internal mana pool which recharges gradually over time, even if not wielded. A scroll of recharging increases a rod's limit and enchantment by 1d2 (up to a max of 17 and +9 respectively), and (always) recharges its mp to full. See {rods} for a list of types. Rods are removed in 0.20, see {rods[2]}. 16:20:45 %git :/[Ss]cattershot 16:20:45 07MarvinPA02 * 0.20-a0-413-g8eeb10a: Re-use rod tile icons for wands of clouds and scattershot 10(2 weeks ago, 13 files, 13+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8eeb10a3434e 16:22:22 ??wand of clouds 16:22:22 I don't have a page labeled wand_of_clouds in my learndb. 16:22:25 ??rod of clouds 16:22:26 rod of clouds[1/2]: Creates clouds in a cone-shaped area. Low power: rain, mist, mephitic clouds; medium power: fire, ice, poison clouds; high power: acid, negative energy, storm clouds. 16:22:42 ??rod of clouds[2 16:22:43 rod of clouds[2/2]: 15 evo puts you outside the range for low-power clouds and is the minimum power to have a chance at acid clouds. More evo = high-power clouds are more common, though mid is still possible at 27. 16:29:21 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:31:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:02 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:30 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:35:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:40:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:42:22 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:12 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:48:41 New branch created: pull/427 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/427 16:48:41 03Colin Morris02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/427 * 0.20-a0-447-g523531c: Fix incorrect messages on branch transition 10(13 minutes ago, 3 files, 74+ 82-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/523531c81ca8 16:49:07 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:50:46 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:51:43 -!- mroovka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:54:00 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:54:29 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:55:23 !tell marvinpa very minor comment: any thoughts on the discussion on https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/427/files#diff-379a39a03900cbbee78c399131a460d9R638 ? you were the last person who made a relevant change 16:55:23 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 16:55:37 !tell marvinpa specifically wrt tripping while being banished 16:55:38 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 16:55:45 (tripping into the abyss...?) 16:56:04 tripping is such a silly secret mechanic. 16:58:53 trippy 16:59:04 03Colin Morris02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/427 * 0.20-a0-448-g1d6e4b0: typo fix 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1d6e4b09956d 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:34 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:32 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:06:07 (Why can't you fall in the abyss?) 17:06:10 crawlcode.txt 17:06:24 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:09:22 03Colin Morris02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/427 * 0.20-a0-449-g096bb7d: Don't special case the abyss for tripping checks. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/096bb7d2f1f0 17:09:25 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-446-g9649680 (34) 17:11:31 !tell marvinpa oops, my last two messages have been obsoleted by the pull request changing out from under me... sorry! 17:11:32 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 17:12:54 does this mean you can trip on the abyssal stair now 17:13:02 if we merged that commit 17:14:16 <|amethyst> But can you trip on a hole in a paper heart? 17:14:34 dude... 17:15:36 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:17:33 -!- cait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:32 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:53 <|amethyst> hmm 17:21:56 <|amethyst> re the VM changes 17:22:13 <|amethyst> Would it make sense for them to get 1 Air instead of 1 Conj? 17:22:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:40 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:41 <|amethyst> oh, never mind, wasn't counting Sting 17:22:59 <|amethyst> so they do still have more Conj spells than Air in the starting book 17:24:03 <|amethyst> (also, I'm not sure PCloud needed to be dropped, especially since Poison Magic was already light on higher-level stuff, but I haven't read the conversation about it, so) 17:27:26 <|amethyst> Pleasingfungus: I find it amusing how everyone assumes that frogs are the replacement for HE. I guess it's the +1 long blades? 17:27:34 and the timing 17:27:48 <|amethyst> but, we would have done them at the same time 17:27:57 two weeks is practically no time at all. 17:27:59 in a sense. 17:29:06 |amethyst: my feeling was that pcloud was basically worse-OTR 17:30:21 If people think that the two spells are sufficiently distinct to be both worth existing, then I'm fine w/ bringing back pcloud 17:30:52 <|amethyst> pcloud has the aspect of blocking (some) monsters 17:31:32 <|amethyst> but I guess I haven't used OTR much since the damage stopped scaling with distance 17:31:57 Lasty_: did you see the guy who was real mad this morning 17:32:00 <|amethyst> before that there was also the fact that pcloud affects monsters further away 17:32:01 codequalityguy 17:32:17 <|amethyst> I disagree with the way CodeQualityGuy said it 17:32:29 <|amethyst> but I do think he had a point about how that should have been two commits 17:32:55 <|amethyst> or at least "Replace..." in the subject line 17:33:42 sure 17:33:49 <|amethyst> (I missed it the first time through because I was only skimming the full commit messages) 17:34:01 i just thought it was funny how he put it 17:34:20 this sheer rage at questionable git hygeine 17:35:11 <|amethyst> you should hear my father-in-law about fish-frying times at Long John Silver 17:35:12 <|amethyst> we don't go there with him anymore 17:35:20 lmao 17:35:45 fish-frying times? like, at what time of day fish should be fried? 17:35:52 oh, how long i guess 17:35:54 <|amethyst> amalloy: how long and what temperature 17:36:23 Yeah, I think splitting out that particular commit into two would have been fine, but said person demanding "1 change 1 commit" which we clearly don't do 17:36:31 and tried to suggest rebasing our repo or something 17:37:08 not being familiar with out conventions on top of being rude 17:37:11 *our 17:37:34 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:37:52 I haven't been to a Long John Silver in...wow 17:38:08 <|amethyst> I think it might more be "disagreeing with our conventions", though he did blame it on Lasty and not the devteam as a whole 17:38:09 is that chain even nation-wide? 17:38:21 <|amethyst> but, yeah, dude's an ass 17:39:04 yeah I'm sure some projects strictly adhere to the "one change one commit" thing, but not this one! 17:39:17 pretty hard to do with so many contributers both inside and outside 17:39:49 <|amethyst> hm, trying to find how widely distributed they are 17:40:06 I know California has some, but they're not at all common 17:41:09 <|amethyst> I think it's in decline in general, though they're common enough in Kentucky 17:41:22 <|amethyst> but the company started in Kentucky, so 17:41:28 ah, yeah 17:42:00 <|amethyst> Fazoli's too 17:42:11 "In July 2013, the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a nutrition and health policy watchdog group, named Long John Silver's "Big Catch" meal the worst restaurant meal in America, noting that it contained 33 grams of trans fat, 19 grams of saturated fat, 1,320 calories, and almost 3,700 milligrams of sodium" 17:42:32 <|amethyst> 1320 calories doesn't sound that bad compared to some I've seen 17:42:50 yeah, I know e.g. Chipotle's can have tons of calories 17:44:16 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:44:17 -!- osune has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:32 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:44:48 http://calorielab.com/restaurants/chilis/awesome-blossom/12/1113 17:45:50 man, I wish more menus expressed calories in kilojoules 17:46:14 When it existed, the similarly styledAwesome BlossomatChili'swas ranked "Worst Appetizer in America" byMen's Healthmagazine in 2008 17:46:29 oh, they discontinued it? 17:46:32 yes 17:46:39 wow, I remember eating one of those! 17:46:41 because of awards like that, i think 17:46:55 I mean, you didn't eat the whole thing yourself 17:46:59 not that I'd defend it much 17:47:01 maybe you didn't 17:47:14 The Awesome Blossom Challenge! 17:48:35 kind of unfair, look at all the dietary fiber you got 17:50:39 ametthyst: on assuming frogs are a replacement for elves... the flavor text isn't helping much 17:50:49 <|amethyst> oh, was that kept in? 17:51:03 I played a short-lived game and it was there 17:51:05 <|amethyst> I figured it would have been changed before going into trunk :) 17:51:15 i was gonna remove it if they turned into bunnies 17:51:19 since the rabbit version wasn't as funny 17:51:52 but frog elves are still funny to me 17:52:10 Pleasingfungus is fueled by the tears of tavern 17:52:10 <|amethyst> Hop Elf 17:52:40 just playing second-fiddle to gammafunk's removals 17:53:09 "Unrandarts and stupid memes - Enemies of progress" 17:53:13 ^ i'm everything in this thread title 17:53:26 sigh, another removeelyvilon thread 17:54:05 > "bararchians" could totally just be elves 17:54:26 ...he reads this but won't read the Frogs gdd thread! 17:55:18 cyc is funny 17:55:34 because everyone there is either (a) making jokes [funny] or (b) really dumb [funny] 17:55:53 some people with reasonable design opinions hang out in gdd sometimes. that's much less entertaining 17:56:39 <|amethyst> If only people with reasonable ideas about how to communicate with other human beings hung out in gdd... 17:56:58 hard to imagine 17:58:14 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:22 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:02:26 Poorly thought out frog suggestion: give them fire aptitude 18:02:56 Played a Frog Fi ^ Hep, bad choice of combo (played well, very bland) 18:03:39 They kinda feel like a species without an interesting niche, solid but... Anyways, I should try and see if IE is more interesting 18:03:54 Nagas have poison, merfolk have ice 18:03:58 frogs have ice 18:04:12 hill orcs have fire 18:04:16 frogs are ice cold 18:04:59 I didn't say it was a good idea... 18:05:13 Anyways, any interesting combos to try with frog? Like Ru, maybe? 18:05:35 speaking of tavern memes: have you considered *chei* 18:06:06 Nope, but that would add an element of risk to spice things up 18:06:14 ru feels a little redundant, with power leap and all 18:06:22 i should wizmode my cbro experimental frog from trog to chei. that would get tavern real excited 18:06:33 lol 18:06:34 i'm gonna play a basu when i get the chance 18:06:41 the one i played locally was a lot of fun 18:06:46 admittedly i like su generally. 18:07:20 Part of my mistake was using an amulet of rage, meaning I had one answer to every single problem, so summoner or IE should be a big help 18:07:48 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:44 yeah, my frfi wasn't too exciting either, since i could just plow through stuff without needing to worry about tactics too much 18:14:46 <|amethyst> Lasty_: are you sure you want that / 10 there in the Noxious Vapours duration check? It's kind of weird that it doesn't have a chance to last a whole turn until 100 power, and even at 200 power it's only around a 50% chance to last a full turn 18:15:27 http://pastebin.com/AdNV34vN i like this list from Ferrinus wrt Singularity, particularly items (c) and (d) 18:16:08 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-446-g9649680 (34) 18:16:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:11 !tell marvinpa here's a link that hopefully won't expire before you get it (unlike my last one): http://pastebin.com/AdNV34vN 18:21:12 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 18:23:08 -!- removeelyvilon has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:20 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:34:55 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-447-g6c275fb: Correct rPois check in noxious vapours targeting. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6c275fbcee1c 18:35:22 -!- stibbi has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:35:44 targeter leaks..... 18:40:36 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:36 |amethyst: Perhaps this should use actor_cloud_immune instead, but first we'd want a version that only requires a cloud_type and not a whole cloud_struct. <- can you explain how this would help? 18:44:46 oh, i misread that as being relevant to the information leak 18:45:09 <|amethyst> ah, no, that's separate 18:45:42 <|amethyst> actor_cloud_immune wouldn't help with the leak 18:45:42 seems really weird to assume that you would never want to put a cloud on an immune monster's tile 18:46:00 <|amethyst> currently, it doesn't last long enough to be useful otherwise 18:46:18 <|amethyst> hence my asking Lasty instead of assuming the really short duration was a mistake 18:47:04 hrm, it seems to fizzle if not targeted directly on a monster, so i guess that's kind of consistent 18:47:15 would be more flavourful if it came from them somehow, tmut/poison 18:47:37 <|amethyst> that one takes time, unlike casting it on a visible immune monster 18:47:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-448-g0beec18: Use actor_cloud_immune for nox vapour (|amethyst) 10(33 seconds ago, 5 files, 72+ 60-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0beec18ede3a 18:48:13 hrm, what happens if you cast it on an invisible immune monster 18:48:27 <|amethyst> it still clouds, I think 18:48:29 yeah 18:48:29 <|amethyst> let me test 18:48:32 just tested 18:48:36 <|amethyst> ah 18:48:38 that does seem inconsistent... 18:50:29 -!- coledot has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:50:46 secretly, i wish that lasty had put this spell up on a git branch (not an experimental branch, just a public git branch) so that other people could look at it before he pushed it. 18:50:50 that's my confession for today. 18:52:25 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:32 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:54 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:14 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:09:16 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-448-g0beec18 (34) 19:20:10 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:25:29 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:25:57 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:37:29 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:39:30 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:42:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:09 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:44:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:16 batrachian is spelled with a t 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10881 by timbw 20:14:16 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:17 The build has errored. (master - 0beec18 #7525 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/189684458 20:14:17 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:24:19 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:50:24 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507]] 20:55:38 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:51 |amethyst: yeah, two commits probably would have been better. I had originally been planning to directly replace pcloud w/ the new spell, since pcloud felt unnecessary, but then I noticed that swamp dragon breath does use pcloud. I should have then separated it out, but didn't. 20:56:51 Lasty: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:57:07 and then I probably should have noted it in the commit message. 20:58:12 !tell pleasingfungus when you write things in a public space, they aren't secret anymore. Are you concerned with the code or the spell? 20:58:13 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 20:59:03 |amethyst: the duration ends up getting multiplied by 10 downstream of there. It's guaranteed to last 1 full turn. 20:59:11 It can scale up to 5 full turns. 20:59:50 It's intended that you can only place the spell on monsters. 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:53 I actually just realized with the removal of rods and the major wands that you guys have nerfed the greatest strategy of them all 21:07:56 xomscumming 21:14:06 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:21:35 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:21:40 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 21:22:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:22:54 j 21:24:03 03Lasty02 07* 0.20-a0-449-g96be121: Rename Noxious Vapours to Poisonous Vapours (MarvinPA, gammafunk) 10(14 seconds ago, 11 files, 14+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/96be1219dc61 21:24:27 !learn mv noxious_vapours poisonous_vapours 21:24:27 noxious_vapours -> poisonous vapours[1/1]: New L2 Poison/Air spell in trunk, found in the Young Poisoner's Handbook. Smite-targeted attack spell that creates a single-tile, short-lived poisonous cloud under the target. 21:31:37 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:18 Lasty: mostly the spell but code too i guess. it's just nice to have review for medium-big things before they go into trunk 21:32:19 Pleasingfungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:32:37 i knew i wasn't being secret. instead i was being vaguely passive-aggressive, which is much better 21:32:43 probably the optimal conversational strategy 21:33:11 anyway, i wonder if it'd be better if you could only place the cloud on visible monsters 21:33:17 fizzling is a very... unclear failure 21:34:06 -!- saty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:35:08 Pleasingfungus: I'd be fine with that. 21:35:24 i'll put it in my notes 21:35:55 is it intentionally the inverse of cflame? 21:35:56 Have people always been considering new spells as big? It didn't feel particularly big. 21:36:02 it's not like 21:36:03 big-big 21:36:07 but it's not small 21:36:30 and yeah, it's intentionally the inverse of cflame 21:36:37 excellent 21:36:51 poison is the opposite of fire. 21:36:59 #dothemath 21:37:03 that's why there are no poison/fire spells <.< >.> 21:38:01 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:38:08 someday i'm gonna add an ice/fire spell 21:38:10 or earth/air 21:38:13 i have notes 21:38:44 Just make sandblast earth/air 21:38:46 oh shit i forgot about this good idea 21:39:08 "a projectile that, if it hits a summon, does huge damage & causes them to explode on death (if killed?)" 21:39:18 forceful abjuration 21:44:31 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:06 -!- Zeor1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:54:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:57:04 -!- Boatshow has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59:26 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507]] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:20 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:31 Lasty, I think it's less that it's a new spell and more that you're replacing an existing spell as well as modifying a start 22:04:34 all at once 22:04:53 that said I have no opinion on this 22:09:19 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-449-g96be121 (34) 22:18:33 Brannock: true. I did chat about it in channel with several other devs first tho. 22:18:47 We didn't discuss the pcloud removal tho, IIRC 22:18:55 Or maybe we did. 22:20:14 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:40 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 22:33:10 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:34:02 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:23 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:39 -!- lupus83 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:46:58 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:30 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:33 !tell johnstein my save on trunk doesn't seem to be loading - can you take a look at it? 22:53:34 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 22:57:50 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Client Quit] 22:58:02 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:44 ^status 23:00:44 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:09:24 -!- laularukyrumo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:10:33 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:23 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:39 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 23:25:36 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 23:26:57 pcloud removal?!? 23:28:31 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:13 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 23:32:31 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:16 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 23:36:01 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 23:39:09 FR: turn parrow into a shitty one-use evokable 23:40:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:32 pcloud and fcloud are just the same spell except fcloud is better, seems sensible to remove one of them 23:41:51 and this is one step closer to removing the poison magic school <3 23:47:59 -!- hellmonk has joined ##crawl-dev