00:00:02 demonspawn are newer 00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:47 "Is everything supposed to be interesting? Some people might like orcs precisely for what they are, " 00:06:28 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:06:31 look at fuckin' mister rogers over here 00:07:43 this was, strangely, in defense of a suggestion to change them (forbidding them from worshipping good gods) 00:08:24 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:25 The build has errored. (master - 149db07 #7415 : CanOfWorms): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/185668291 00:08:25 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:08:30 Oh no 00:08:34 Oh it's not me 00:08:50 !blame 2 travis 00:08:50 I pronounce 2 travis... Guilty! 00:08:51 connection error, all is well, false alarm, back to sleep boys 00:08:55 !blame2 travis 00:08:55 tttrrraaavvviiisss 00:09:04 oh, i guess i should actually say what the plan is: it's to make w not allow you to wield useless items unless you hit * first 00:09:11 that is, it only lets you wield listed items 00:09:28 thinking about it more, it's a bit annoying for the breadswingers... possibly a macro could help 00:09:35 or an inscription? 00:10:12 oh, that sounds good 00:10:15 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-331-g5b3579f (34) 00:10:16 hitting * to wield nonweapons I mean 00:10:26 plus it means I don't have to dig through menu code. 00:10:30 well 00:10:34 i'm doing the digging through menu code 00:10:39 that works too! 00:10:40 since it still requires some refactoring, i think 00:10:58 maybe I'll just start my own roguelike. then I'll know exactly whate verything does. 00:11:01 Until I forget it, three months later. 00:11:01 haha 00:11:05 yep :) 00:11:11 i am sincerely a little worried about ui annoyance for the pros 00:11:42 a u t s c o r i n g 00:11:45 gammafunk: if 'w' didn't let you select non-listed items (that is, if you had to hit w*c to wield a bread ration in slot c), would there be some inscription trick you could do as a speedrunner to simplify it? 00:11:50 minmay: next year in jersualem 00:12:00 the removal of haste does make it less 'problematic' :P 00:12:09 c h e i 00:12:20 how awful would it be if chei was bad for speedrunning 00:12:36 c h e i c a n e a t m y s h o r t s 00:18:14 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:34 Pleasingfungus: I assume inscribing @1 or w/e it is 00:20:45 @w1, maybe 00:20:46 hrm, does that one work with wield though 00:20:48 yeah 00:21:08 cool 00:21:54 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:22:12 oh, and I guess if you just put it on slot b and used ' 00:22:34 does that work? or does that only work with weapons 00:22:46 I'm actually not sure, I don't use that 00:22:51 for bread, that is 00:24:18 someone should test it 00:25:49 specifically what is @w1 supposed to do 00:27:18 -!- Blazinghbnd has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:10 -!- concrocotta has quit [Quit: Ciao] 00:31:33 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-331-g5b3579f (34) 00:32:03 brannock: I believe if you press w 1 you will wield the item inscribed with @w1 00:32:08 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:32:21 ah, very good 00:32:31 it does work with nonweapons 00:33:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:21 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:42:01 minmay, "Thanks to whoever is designing and patching in all the unrandart-vaults. Starting with vampire tooth, but also Olgreb, Ring of Robustness etc. I am immensely enjoying more opportunities to play with the artifacts." 00:54:42 !learn edit sandblast[1] s/$/ In 0.20, Sandblast can't be cast without stones or with large rocks./ 00:54:43 ERROR: New text exceeds the maximum length of 375 00:54:46 darn 00:55:11 !learn edit sandblast[1] s/ stones (sling bullets don't count) / stones / 00:55:11 No change: regex ` stones (sling bullets don't count) ` does not match `Wield stones (sling bullets don't count) to do more damage and increase range from 2 to 3 with this spell. Sandblast with stones maxes out at 2d20 damage, although damage reduction from enemy AC is applied three times instead of once. Og and Tr can use large rocks, with damage maxing out at 3d20. To-hit: 13+power/10 with ammo,... 00:55:36 !learn edit sandblast[1] s/stones (sling bullets don't count)/stones / 00:55:36 No change: regex `stones (sling bullets don't count)` does not match `Wield stones (sling bullets don't count) to do more damage and increase range from 2 to 3 with this spell. Sandblast with stones maxes out at 2d20 damage, although damage reduction from enemy AC is applied three times instead of once. Og and Tr can use large rocks, with damage maxing out at 3d20. To-hit: 13+power/10 with ammo, 8... 00:55:47 ??sandblast 00:55:47 sandblast[1/1]: Wield stones (sling bullets don't count) to do more damage and increase range from 2 to 3 with this spell. Sandblast with stones maxes out at 2d20 damage, although damage reduction from enemy AC is applied three times instead of once. Og and Tr can use large rocks, with damage maxing out at 3d20. To-hit: 13+power/10 with ammo, 8+power/5 otherwise. 00:55:53 you have parens 00:55:58 need to be escaped 00:56:09 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:17 it's often good to use a more globby patterns 00:56:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-332-gc925ad2: Finish removing unused trap params 10(78 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c925ad2d6a3a 00:56:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-333-g011acc8: Refactor prompt_invent_item() params 10(14 minutes ago, 11 files, 58+ 53-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/011acc8d9000 00:56:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-334-gd6844ec: Remove two seemingly long-unused params 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d6844ecda101 00:56:31 like stones.*to do 00:56:31 !learn set sandblast[1] Wield stones to do more damage and increase range from 2 to 3 with this spell. Sandblast with stones maxes out at 2d20 damage, although damage reduction from enemy AC is applied thrice instead of once. Og and Tr can use large rocks, with damage maxing out at 3d20. To-hit: 13+power/10 with ammo, 8+power/5 otherwise. In 0.20, only cast with stones. 00:56:31 sandblast[1/1]: Wield stones to do more damage and increase range from 2 to 3 with this spell. Sandblast with stones maxes out at 2d20 damage, although damage reduction from enemy AC is applied thrice instead of once. Og and Tr can use large rocks, with damage maxing out at 3d20. To-hit: 13+power/10 with ammo, 8+power/5 otherwise. In 0.20, only cast with stones. 00:56:42 s/stones.*to do/stone to do/ 00:56:48 *stones to do 00:56:50 I need to increase fluency in regex 00:56:51 ^ if anyone can solve the mystery of what the 'count' param was for, i'd be curious 00:56:54 more drilling required 00:57:11 . means any character, * means "0 or more of these" 00:57:15 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:24 so it will match all things between stones and to do 00:57:33 then you sub all of that with "stones to do" 00:57:41 but yeah there are great primers online 00:57:49 I've been occasionally doing them in fact 00:57:56 I just forget them when I get tired 00:58:13 yeah they stick a lot more when you have to use them for a real problem 00:58:19 most things do 00:58:27 that count param 00:58:34 looks like back in the day when you could multiuse items 00:58:44 maybe? 00:59:30 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:45 Lasty, it's been a couple weeks since you proposed it 00:59:50 Do you still feel Potion of Mutability is a good idea? 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:08 wait, that might not have been Lasty. 01:00:09 that was a lasty thing? 01:00:12 might have been a tavern post 01:00:14 yeah that was amalloy 01:00:19 I think 01:00:25 %git :/[Mm]utabil 01:00:25 Could not find commit :/[Mm]utabil (git returned 128) 01:00:28 hrm 01:00:34 maybe that was a different potion 01:00:44 you're thinking of potion of prowess 01:00:47 which I still think is neat!! 01:00:57 "Alternatively, merge potions of Mutation, Cure Mutation, and Beneficial Mutation into a single "Potion of Mutability." Adds 1-5 random mutations (at least 1 good), removes 3-7 existing mutations. (Or whatever numbers seem appropriate). I buffed the "remove" side over the "add" so that removing malmutations is still realistically an option." 01:01:00 %git :/[Pp]rowess 01:01:00 07amalloy02 * 0.19-a0-1169-g9c3d784: Add "potion of prowess", a melee transformation potion 10(4 months ago, 12 files, 78+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c3d78425ac5 01:01:05 oh right 01:02:11 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 01:03:32 huh, we removed the ability to try to quaff non-potions 01:03:34 ruined 01:03:45 you quaff the bread ration. you feel parched... 01:05:18 -!- WangHW has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:06:07 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:06:21 fr: allow eating non-food once food gets removed 01:06:49 you mean mutagenic chunks? 01:07:06 or plate armor 01:07:15 or poison needles 01:07:17 whatever you got 01:07:24 i mean, not in any *useful* way 01:07:30 that would be too much like nethack 01:07:33 and also spoilery 01:07:45 that reminds me, tomorrow I should work on prioritizing mutagen corpses over nonedible for butchering. 01:07:59 an inconsequential change that ends up being appreciated by dozens~ 01:08:09 i mean "turn into a metallivore and eat some good jewelry to get those resists" is really stupid 01:08:10 well, it's not any less spoilery to let players eat things when there's nothing edible 01:08:14 in nethack 01:08:42 Brannock: is there a reason to not just group them into "edible"? 01:08:52 CanOfWorms: lol, i guess that's true 01:08:54 mutagen chunks don't actually provide nutrition 01:09:06 yeah, so they won't get auto-eaten 01:09:10 so if you're butchering you want to get nutritious chunks first, in the incredibly rare case you actually need nutrition Now 01:09:21 i guess the argument not to is to not create inventory conflict 01:09:30 right now it's clean > nonedible > mutagenic for when you 'c' 01:09:38 which means you have wasted turns if you're trying to harvest purple 01:09:42 for people like me who spent 80%+ of the game with a nearly full inventory 01:09:43 on top of a large pile of corpses 01:09:50 or, yes, i guess it also hinders speed runners 01:10:02 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-334-gd6844ec (34) 01:14:01 Pleasingfungus, how did you identify 'count' as unused? 01:14:27 deleted it and recompiled 01:14:45 also i went through every invocation of prompt_invent_items() repeatedly and only spotted callers passing nullptr to it 01:15:05 but it's easy to overlook stuff 01:15:16 what tipped you off that it might have been unused? 01:15:28 i went through every invocation of prompt_invent_items() repeatedly and only spotted callers passing nullptr to it 01:15:39 (i was going through them for other reasons, just spotted that in the process) 01:15:44 'count' is a fairly stealthy variable name, which is why I asked. yeah, makes sense then 01:15:56 specifically there was a 0, -1, nullptr pattern that showed up everywhere 01:16:00 oic 01:16:13 [actual params] true true true 0 -1 nullptr [actual params] 01:16:15 good code imo 01:16:18 very 01:16:33 also the 0 was actually '\0' 01:16:37 nice 01:16:38 but no one passed it in that way 01:16:45 wow 01:17:07 it's still a bad function, six params and a few hundred lines 01:17:16 but whatcha gonna do 01:17:38 slowly refactor it over the course of months as the screams of the community wear away at your sanity 01:18:14 oh, i lost that a while ago 01:18:16 hrm 01:20:15 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-334-gd6844ec (34) 01:22:54 -!- nikheizen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:24:02 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 01:27:32 wow, this solution looks dumb as hell in console 01:27:34 hrm 01:27:42 -!- dknuth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:29:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 01:29:55 which solution? 01:32:58 basically i end up causing a 1-frame flicker on console 01:33:01 trying to fix it 01:33:11 fuck 01:33:55 god damn i hate this code 01:34:01 Menu Code~ 01:34:28 it's just... god 01:34:36 !source prompt_invent_item 01:34:36 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/invent.cc#L1771 01:34:39 look at this while loop 01:34:59 loool 01:35:00 i'm honestly this close to using a goto 01:35:09 that brings me back to my high school BASIC days 01:35:09 and then i'd have to shoot myself 01:35:13 unjokingly 01:35:25 don't shoot yourself 01:35:28 :p 01:35:30 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:35:32 i'm very funny. 01:35:54 don't worry, I received proper gun culture conditioning. 01:36:03 I keep rereading this while loop 01:36:14 -!- filthy has quit [Quit: please don't look for me] 01:36:17 see, this is why I took the long way around 416 01:40:56 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-335-g3db6753: Avoid mis-selections of useless items 10(81 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3db6753e0b83 01:41:01 enh, it's probably for the best 01:41:07 my approach wasn't good for discoverability 01:41:09 did something simpler 01:41:29 oh, that code is wrong. hold on 01:42:46 this is why I compulsively compile and test, and am still aghast when something wrong inevitably shows up 01:42:57 i compiled and tested! 01:43:01 because I am a bad tester. 01:43:12 i just learned more about how this function worked as i wrote code 01:43:13 does this crash when you 'w-'? 01:43:17 and realized my earlier understanding was wrong 01:43:18 haha 01:43:24 nope 01:43:26 okay, good. 01:43:51 I went through like 2 hours of stress testing 416 and building on top o fit then finally found out it crashed on w- 01:44:04 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-336-g7b05759: Fix a prompt_invent_item misunderstanding 10(12 seconds ago, 1 file, 7+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7b05759b94e1 01:44:41 that's a very inside baseball commit 01:44:45 oh, even better 01:44:49 I'm not sure I understand it 01:45:10 ok so 01:45:26 i was assuming that hitting * permanently switched you to 'view all items' mode 01:45:38 "THE ETERNAL CAMPBELL STRIKES AGAIN" 01:45:44 ah, 4chan 01:45:52 he gotta defend his title. discord barely remembers he exists! 01:45:54 it's sad... 01:46:03 since you can't hit * again in the item select menu to toggle it off, i thought it was permanent 01:46:30 but if you e.g. hit *, then hit some letter that's not in your inventory ('g', maybe), it'll dump you to a prompt, from which you can re-enter the menu with * OR ? 01:47:00 umm 01:47:00 and at that point it shouldn't still have the * all-items OSEAL_ANY behaviour 01:47:09 *OSEL 01:47:33 taking you on faith here, because geez 01:47:40 open the game, hit w, hit *, hit g 01:47:50 or some other letter for an item slot that's not filled in your inv 01:47:53 Z maybe 01:48:00 you'll see the prompt i mean 01:48:26 ah I see 01:48:37 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:48:37 -!- Hiffwe has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:48:48 i spent a while trying to stay in the menu instead of hitting that prompt 01:48:51 then i gave up 01:48:56 which is probably for the best 01:52:55 -!- Pleasingfungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507]] 01:53:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:53:33 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:54:37 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:18 "1. Can we remove scroll of recharging ? It's only useful for charging wand of digging now." 01:57:54 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-334-gd6844ec 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:01 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:01:02 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:03:24 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:10:11 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-336-g7b05759 (34) 02:11:48 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:16:39 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18:02 -!- Blazinghbnd has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:21:24 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:53 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30:20 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:04 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:40:51 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:42:23 -!- doll_ has quit [Client Quit] 02:45:12 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:21 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:54:33 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-336-g7b05759 02:54:39 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:59:33 -!- AltReality has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:03 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:04 The build has errored. (master - 7b05759 #7419 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/185688429 03:05:04 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 03:05:41 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:11 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:16:06 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 03:24:52 Experimental (councilgod-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-452-gf2ab144 03:29:18 -!- Karagy has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:43 hi 03:32:58 -!- Karagy has left ##crawl-dev 03:34:00 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 03:34:22 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:39:40 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-336-g7b05759 (34) 03:50:48 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:19 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 04:05:38 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:14 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:07:46 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23:54 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:17 -!- gdc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:38 -!- gdc has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:57 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:42:12 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:50:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:54:21 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:54:55 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:56 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:56 -!- Rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:13 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:04:41 -!- Rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:11:26 -!- Owly has quit [Client Quit] 05:12:33 -!- zespri has joined ##crawl-dev 05:14:37 -!- laj1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:15:44 Guys, do people run crawl under debugger? I come from Microsoft world so accustomed to step through code in VS. I can compile crawl both on linux and on windows with mingw (great job documenting these) but VS build seems to be broken. And it's been broken for quite awhile. Do active developers use debugger at all? If yes what os / what debugger? Thank you in advance! 05:16:46 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:17:33 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:18:57 -!- Patashu has quit [Client Quit] 05:21:53 zespri: I'm not a dev, but I use commandline GDB, it works quite well 05:22:03 you'd have to build with the debug blaf 05:22:07 flag* (how did I mess that up?) 05:22:08 yeah, the VS build has been broken for a long time, I think most devs use gnu/linux and gdb 05:23:00 well, probably many of them don't use a debugger in crawl at all 05:23:09 gdb, all right. thank you! 05:24:23 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:24:59 you could also try to fix the VS project (ie make a new one :P) but idk how hard that is for a project like dcss 05:25:37 ...in retrospect that was pretty obvious so idk why i mentioned it at all, either 05:26:31 I can fix VS build but that's a bit of a pain. SDL version needs to be updated, and this means that the custom "fixes" to SDL need to be re-aplied, and there is also one file that uses a gcc feature not present in VC++, but that can be fixed too. In the end keeping this up to date locally with any mainstream changes feels to fragile. 05:28:48 I forgot about the custom SDL changes 05:28:51 yeah that sounds not worth it 05:28:52 so yeah. I;ve done that before, and each time it;s a pita 05:29:18 but pull request of such magnituted does not have a good chance of being merged 05:31:17 alrighty, thank you for that ;) 05:39:15 How welcome is work on the server side of things btw? One thing I've wanted for a while is the possibility to restart a game on webtiles without kicking everyone off the spectating room and losing the chat 05:39:44 I could work on that if it would be desirable for someone :) 05:41:42 -!- WangHW has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:46:13 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:46:31 is there "official" server implementation? I know webtiles, but the "gateway" to it... seems to differ. crawl.project357.org has something unique, nowhere else to be seen (also closed source), some of the sites in the past used dgamelaunch, but again, never seem the "official" crawl branch of that... So what do people use to run the server? The Webserver that is in the github repo... is it 05:46:32 really used by any of the "official" servers? 05:47:29 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:47:50 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 05:48:32 CPO uses webtiles-changes 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:11 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:04:36 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:18 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 06:07:09 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:18 -!- flappity has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:26:20 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:45:29 -!- fazisi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05:25 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:08:11 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 07:21:00 ??dgamelaunch 07:21:00 dgl[1/4]: https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch 07:33:04 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:38:20 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:44:06 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:51:48 -!- Tarara has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:53 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:08:40 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:09:11 <|amethyst> zespri: https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch-config and dgamelaunch 08:09:35 -!- manman has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:10:21 <|amethyst> zespri: some info here; this is how it's set up on most of the US and European servers, but not CDO (not sure about CJR): https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles 08:10:52 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:55 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Client Quit] 08:11:02 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 08:12:59 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:15:45 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:16:02 <|amethyst> zespri: oops, that should have been https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config — I keep forgetting that it hasn't been moved to the crawl project yet 08:16:51 <|amethyst> reddit bug report: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5jjlwu/your_orb_of_destruction_begins_absorbing_vital/ 08:17:56 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:22:36 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:52:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:56:35 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:58:06 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:06 -!- nefhilion_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:12:50 !tell SteelNeuron I don't see a reason why that would be rejected, the restart-game-while-keeping-chat thing. Seems minor, though 09:12:50 Brannock: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 09:24:37 -!- WangHW has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:25:06 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-337-ge03b16e: Class-ify and rename inv_prompt_flags. 10(11 minutes ago, 9 files, 27+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e03b16e1c2fe 09:27:27 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:41 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:06 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:40 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:42:47 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:16 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 09:53:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:31 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:32 The build passed. (master - e03b16e #7420 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/185783907 10:08:32 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:09:23 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-337-ge03b16e (34) 10:15:49 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:30:58 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:39 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 10:47:35 Search only finds one example of "strike" 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10858 by nubinia 10:47:53 -!- frd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:54:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:55:32 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:24 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07:03 -!- Pleasingfungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:26 |amethyst: in an earlier version of the commit, inv_prompt_flags had a comment // TODO: |amethyst, please apply magic to this 11:07:29 but i didn't even have to write it...! 11:07:33 magic is real. 11:07:37 -!- timvisher has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:20:35 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:21:01 hm, did i break compilation 11:28:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:01 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 11:36:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-338-g717130a: Simplify prompt_invent_items() 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 54+ 89-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/717130ad1024 11:40:30 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:32 ugh 11:40:55 !tell geekosaur great how sierra stopped saving ssh keys by default...... 11:40:55 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let geekosaur know. 11:41:13 yeh, there's some tweaks to reenable it 11:41:13 geekosaur: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:41:20 i'm looking at https://github.com/jirsbek/SSH-keys-in-macOS-Sierra-keychain 11:41:58 * geekosaur is never in a hurry to upgrade, because of lovely surprises like that 11:42:31 still baffled by the xcode export dialogue 11:43:03 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:51 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:49:49 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56:42 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:10 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:59:17 -!- timvisher has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:35 -!- Zargon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:09:19 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-338-g717130a (34) 12:12:49 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-453-g3dacd8b: Fix recall weapon not being truly instant 10(in the future, 3 files, 2+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3dacd8b56bcc 12:12:49 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-454-gc7d6cd0: Remove weapon stealing and tiered wrath 10(in the future, 8 files, 17+ 151-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7d6cd0a39b9 12:12:49 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-455-g8bcff66: Remove divine weapon piety prompt (they now disappear as they used to) 10(in the future, 5 files, 8+ 42-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8bcff66a46ba 12:12:49 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-456-g1be0922: Fully remove shield and ranged conducts and all references to them 10(in the future, 2 files, 1+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1be0922fcff8 12:15:38 rip ranged weapons 12:16:25 But you can use them now! :) 12:16:25 SteelNeuron: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:16:28 !messages 12:16:29 (1/1) Brannock said (3h 3m 38s ago): I don't see a reason why that would be rejected, the restart-game-while-keeping-chat thing. Seems minor, though 12:17:58 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-457-g0569cd0: Buff projection and increase cost to fully fill piety sink role 10(in the future, 4 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0569cd0ba179 12:18:54 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:18:57 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 12:20:09 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:25 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:31 -!- kdrnic has quit [Client Quit] 12:26:58 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-338-g717130a (34) 12:29:48 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:20 -!- doll has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:37:52 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:57 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:47:42 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:58:20 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:27 -!- SchwaAkari has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:09:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:10:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:11:37 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:50 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:14:54 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:35 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:55 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:57 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 13:33:50 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:16 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:32 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 13:35:45 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:44 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:09 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:19 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:44:14 -!- dknuth has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:46:23 -!- tsujin has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:49:41 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:49:51 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:13 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:53:54 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:58:18 -!- zespri has quit [] 13:59:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:57 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:02 johnstein: The "Games on this server are recorded for in-progress viewing and playback. Chat messages might be logged, depending on the player's settings. 14:10:05 " 14:10:14 message on cbro lobby is doubled if you're logged in 14:10:35 maybe you can just remove the one in the login message, since logged in players will still see it 14:11:48 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12:15 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:37 -!- vev has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23:08 -!- Ragnor has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:24:40 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:46 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:46 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:36 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:43:39 oh yeah 14:44:15 !tell brannock look at autofight_warning, since that's a limited version of the anti-lag-spike thing - implemented for the same reason 14:44:16 Pleasingfungus: OK, I'll let brannock know. 14:44:22 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:37 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:46:05 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:48:02 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:50:25 Pleasingfungus: if i lodge a protest with you about the only vietnamese restaurant nearby closing, will it get me some pho? 14:50:42 or will it just work out like me complaining about HE getting removed? =p 14:51:09 the key is to realize that we ignore all of your complaints 14:51:13 not just the ones about HE 14:51:32 lol 14:51:34 complaining just gives us more eldritch energy 14:51:45 but mpa addressed my complaint about wand acquirement 14:51:52 by making every wand shitty =p 14:51:54 ProzacElf: hm, maybe i should get some pho 14:51:58 lol 14:52:01 we can function equally well on holy energy (praise) and eldritch energy (complaints) 14:52:08 -!- Hitsuchi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:20 eldritch energy.... i'm not sure that's a real damage type. 14:52:31 Pleasingfungus: they replaced my pho place with a mediocre thai joint 14:52:44 i was hoping the same people ran it 14:52:44 even mediocre thai is better than no thai 14:52:54 and i could sneak some pho from the back 14:52:56 haha 14:53:01 but alas, someone entirely different 14:53:14 my favorite place to get pad thai is actually a pho restaurant 14:53:17 rename ghostly flame to eldritch energy 14:53:21 people call me weird for this. but it's good pad thai! 14:53:22 lol 14:53:29 ghostly fireball -> eldritch explosion 14:53:37 deng 14:53:41 there are a lot of places that try to do both 14:53:58 and i've gotta say, vietnamese places to a better job of thai food than thai places do of viet 14:54:07 rip... 14:54:11 to/do 14:54:36 idea: replace rations with pre-made meals 14:54:45 you eat the ration. mm, banh mi! 14:54:59 tom yum goong 14:55:13 all of a sudden i'm excited about finding food! 14:55:32 now THAT'S flavour. 14:55:38 lol 14:56:00 man 14:56:02 i do think the fruit message gimmick is unironically good 14:56:05 when i lived in dallas 14:56:18 i guess pizza did it first 14:56:19 there was a thai restaurant up the street that did a buffet 14:56:27 and i wondered how they could afford to stay open 14:56:37 then they closed =( 14:56:50 restaurants are hard 14:56:59 yeah 14:57:27 also in dallas there was an israeli place. and they put some saffron chicken out on the lunch buffet 14:57:40 and it was great and they used real saffron 14:57:41 but they also closed 14:57:54 hrm, good stats but bad apts 14:57:56 isn't that dg? 14:58:24 is this specifically about my HE complaint? 14:58:30 or someone else's? 14:59:02 because my particular like of HE was that you could have good stats AND a god that isn't chei 14:59:55 I wanted to add "draconions" to our array of fruits 14:59:56 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:59:57 i'm reasonably sure that there are races with good stats that aren't dg, as well. 14:59:59 but roctavian never got back to me 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:16 Brannock: visually or in text? latter's easy... 15:00:17 I'll look, but I'm not sure why I am 15:00:29 survey request 15:00:37 oh yeah 15:01:14 Pleasingfungus: i'm not sure any other race got as good stats. id/3 is amazing when you can dump all your optional points into str 15:01:27 !sid 15:01:28 other races get amazing stat gain, but it's all into one state 15:01:31 stat 15:01:31 ??sid 15:01:31 stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg choose2/3 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo si/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu sid/5 | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp id/5 | VS sd/4 15:01:55 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:01 hrm, starting stats are also relevant 15:02:04 !source species-data.h 15:02:05 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/species-data.h 15:02:14 and HE also had great starting stats 15:02:49 i get that everyone hated having tolkien elves around 15:03:14 that isn't the reason. except for dpeg, maybe. 15:03:19 but he wasn't that involved. 15:03:24 but i just feel like a flavor change and a readjustment would be cooler than "hey, here are some worse ogres" 15:03:35 "and btw, high elves are gone" 15:03:52 the feeling, as i understood it, was that high elves and tengu were very similar. 15:03:57 that's certainly the feeling i got from playing them. 15:04:12 and tengu are more distinct from other races than high elves were. 15:04:23 lol 15:04:27 RIP fen elf 15:04:49 yeah, there was a *lot* of talk about flavor changes and adjustments 15:04:58 i know 15:05:04 the aptitude system just isn't that greaet 15:05:08 going back like... a year? but no one found a good niche 15:05:11 i was a big fan of the fen elf proposal 15:05:11 Pleasingfungus: yes but why not just come up with a flavour change and adjustment that's good 15:05:27 MarvinPA: imo, dev is hard. 15:05:48 why not just fix the thing??? why not just do it all good 15:05:58 lol 15:05:59 i can't remember what happened to fen elf exactly. not distinct enough? 15:06:21 what the Dev Consensus was that led to it unexisting 15:06:23 i think it was based on sludge elves which were pretty merfolky 15:06:36 mm, plausible 15:07:01 they weren't based on SE at all, I tried to push them far away from Mf and Te 15:07:12 I closed the PR because no one was interested 15:07:13 oh that's right they just started with SE as a name 15:07:20 i complained some about fen elves from the position of like, if a new species is going to be added why make it another elf 15:07:23 !pr 329 15:07:23 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/329 15:07:58 which is not amazing insightful criticism or anything, just thought i'd mention it since y'all were discussing what had been said about them 15:08:19 name them... basajaun 15:08:28 but size normal i guess 15:08:32 look, i know that you're never going to please everyone, which often means that you're not going to please me 15:09:20 and i'm not going to be the jackass that says "regen is on amulets instead of rings?!?!? i quit!!" 15:09:42 but i feel like there is some value in telling you that i thought HE actually had a good niche 15:09:50 i'll still play 15:09:51 Brannock: if you can think of something that's sort of punchy as a unique mutation, your fen elf idea could go somewhere 15:10:08 but it was one of my favorite races 15:10:18 i know, i can play 0.19 15:10:37 many people are 15:10:38 anyway, just my .02 15:10:49 Pleasingfungus: oh completely unrelatedly, i kept meaning to ask 15:11:16 it's pretty hard to make a unique mechanic that enables some nichey playstyles without pigeonholing 15:11:18 do you have any opinions on adjusting the majin-bo to maybe cost less hp per cast (spell level / 2 rounded randomly or something) 15:12:00 goal is for it to be usable later on? since right now it's a bit of a 3-rune weapon 15:12:14 ??majin-bo 15:12:15 majin-bo[1/3]: +6 Majin-Bo {vamp, Archmagi, MP+6 Int+6}. It's a quarterstaff! Acts as a universal spell enhancer, but costs HP every time you cast a spell: 1 HP per MP spent. (This will never kill you, directly.) 15:12:35 i'm slightly concerned about Power Creep, more concerned about complexity, but mostly concerned that the hp cost would become too 'trivial' 15:12:42