00:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:02 lightning rod is easily moved into misc, any other rods that would qualify? 00:00:18 would be neat to have an inscription that made the game cycle through the inscribed items 00:00:18 I almost want to put rod of clouds as a misc because it's a really cool effect and it scales so noticeably with Evoc 00:00:46 was there a reason it couldn't be a wand 00:00:48 although I guess @w# does that 00:01:05 we were talking about also increasing wand scaling w/evo 00:02:29 that was from a couple days ago, we found out the wand power scaling is pitiful 00:02:34 er 00:02:36 you found out 00:02:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:03:48 ??wand power 00:03:48 wand power[1/1]: 15 + 2.5 * Evocations 00:04:18 PleasingFungus, the other reason I think clouds works better as a misc is because it does different things at different evoc levels. wands and most rods don't do that 00:04:30 compare sack / box 00:05:01 brannock: the most important thing is, what would you call it 00:05:04 are you making rods not a separate item type 00:05:22 six demon bag, clearly 00:06:25 lightning rod is the only one that should stay a rod 00:06:50 make the others into like 00:06:54 musical instruments 00:07:41 CanOfWorms: i like the wield inscription thing. But it wouldn't be super intuitive 00:07:58 inscriptions are more complex than most advanced players are willing to get imo 00:08:15 ??rods 00:08:15 rods[1/1]: clouds, destruction, ignition, inaccuracy, lightning, shadows, iron, swarm 00:09:00 rip swarm 00:09:07 and destruction 00:09:41 there are not a whole lot of rods left 00:10:10 -!- jerkstore has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:10:54 lightning and clouds to misc, iron to wand, unsure abou ignition, shadows, and inaccuracy... 00:11:32 shadows is already a spell 00:11:48 maybe increase the power and make it a scroll or something 00:11:56 or even a trap...? 00:12:16 * ontoclasm explodes! 00:13:02 ontoclasm: isn't it already a scroll too 00:13:26 scroll of summon shrikes 00:13:34 there used to be a scroll of summoning 00:13:40 but i don't think it was the same 00:13:47 it made small aboms once upon a time 00:14:07 scroll of summonings is the same as 2-4 casts of shadow creatures iirc 00:14:07 ??scroll of summoning 00:14:07 scroll of summoning[1/1]: Casts shadow creatures 2d2 times, with higher duration than the spell. 00:14:07 it's still in the game 00:14:12 ah 00:14:23 well then that's plenty of shadows imo 00:14:31 yeah rod of shadows is probably dead 00:14:33 rod of shadows is slightly different in that it only pulls monsters from D/U and uses spellpower to pick the floor 00:14:45 which mostly means letting players summon shrikes and juggernauts at 20 Evo 00:15:11 ??rod of shadows 00:15:11 rod of shadows[1/2]: Creates shadow creatures from a Dungeon or Depths level based on your evocations skill. Really bad with low evoc. 00:15:14 ??rod of shadows[2 00:15:14 rod of shadows[2/2]: Since it used the OOD timer prior to 0.16, waiting around for a huge amount of time on your current floor would get you similar or better results for less investment. 00:17:46 hmm 00:18:06 yurr-del-lim-null is a... interesting way to pronounce yredelemnul 00:18:40 yredelemnul 00:18:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:19:01 i usually skip the second e: yred-lem-nul 00:19:31 "jared" 00:19:53 *in a raspy voice* "eat fresh" 00:19:54 <|amethyst> A little hymnal 00:22:49 moving rods into wands/misc: buffs to felid... 00:22:55 we've gone mad 00:24:09 #meta 00:28:00 -!- Vitalus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:16 -!- fazisi_ is now known as fazisi 00:31:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:32:04 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:17 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:33:06 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:48 !vault minmay_misc_feat_hallway 00:34:48 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_features.des#L721 00:42:00 -!- jeebs has quit [Client Quit] 00:42:40 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 00:43:14 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:36 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:03 -!- tsujin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:51:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:07 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:32 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:03:25 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:07:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:26:16 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:07 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:05 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:36:45 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:36:47 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:52:03 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:28 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:31 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 01:56:51 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:57:12 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:04 -!- WangHW has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:05:00 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:05:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.0.2/20161129173726]] 02:09:13 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:17:00 -!- Hiffwe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:22:32 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:23:47 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:02 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:47 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:36:22 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:43 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:49:39 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:49:48 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:50:22 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:55:03 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:58:56 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-424-g64c2abb: Swap brands for divine weapons 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/64c2abbc6325 02:59:54 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:47 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:06 !messages 03:01:07 No messages for SteelNeuron. 03:01:50 -!- lion_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:03:39 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:06 !messages 03:05:06 No messages for Mattias. 03:08:50 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 03:11:28 Experimental (councilgod-PR) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-424-g64c2abb 03:14:11 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:20:38 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:22:04 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:21 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:24:30 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-269-g17f5411 (34) 03:25:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:26:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:29:23 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:01 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:53 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:39 -!- Kadarus has quit [] 03:49:15 ziggurnaut (L9 HuWn) (D:7) 03:50:13 -!- ddd_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:50:28 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:57:12 ziggurnaut (L9 HuWn) (D:7) 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:06 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:03:28 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:16:08 03PabloMansanet02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/413 * 0.20-a0-425-g5c7d01b: Fix wrong message source for god wrath 10(39 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5c7d01b39e60 04:16:45 -!- odiv has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:03 -!- ldf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29:17 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:44 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:36:19 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 04:36:46 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:01 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:09 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 04:41:20 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:27 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 04:42:02 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:43:15 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:43:16 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 04:51:01 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:52:11 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:34 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:22 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:01:12 -!- Blazinghbnd has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:41 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:24:05 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:26:01 -!- jerkstore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:39:24 -!- smltlk has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:40:58 -!- Ratatosk has quit [Quit: Ratatosk] 05:54:17 -!- Concrocotta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:57:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:15 -!- Blazinghbnd has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:08:22 .gfgk 06:08:22 131. 103683 the Bludgeoner (L20 FoFi of Makhleb), mangled by a moon troll (an uncursed staff of cold) in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2016-12-08 05:06:40, with 247131 points after 34027 turns and 1:11:52. 06:08:48 103683...a new numbers guy? 06:14:57 !calc 1+0+3+6+8+3 06:14:58 21 06:18:13 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:41:03 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:28 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:42 -!- Concrocotta has quit [Quit: Ciao] 07:09:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:59 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:21:32 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:25:39 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43:05 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 07:44:20 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:46:12 -!- CrawlWall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:48:26 !tell dpeg I laughed so hard at the 4th paragraph, I thought I should share https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13127142 07:48:27 bhaak: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 07:54:23 -!- omarax has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:36:13 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:37:27 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:44:54 ??necrophilia 08:44:54 necrophilia[1/2]: Psyche says, "Once you're dead we can play together!" 08:44:59 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:47:29 wow 08:47:35 ??necrophilia[2 08:47:35 necrophilia[2/2]: Followers [of Makhleb] are expected to cleanse others by inflicting suffering and death on them in Makhleb's name, and can gain further favour by ravaging the freshly dead. 08:47:50 welp, rip that necrophilia 08:47:58 !learn del necrophilia[2] 08:47:59 Deleted necrophilia[2/2]: Followers [of Makhleb] are expected to cleanse others by inflicting suffering and death on them in Makhleb's name, and can gain further favour by ravaging the freshly dead. 08:50:52 man, some crawl monsters I never go to experience: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Giant_blowfly 08:52:04 I also don't remember giant toads, although I certainly killed some 08:54:43 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:17:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 09:19:33 !tell PleasingFungus Don't think I didn't see the commit message in dedccd634c...totally ruined the 'dev immersion' I had going on in my git branch 09:19:33 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 09:20:19 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 09:26:29 There should be a wizlab with all the removed monsters coming back to haunt you 09:26:52 and mountain dwarf death knights 09:35:13 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 09:39:33 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:31 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:52 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09:54 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 10:17:44 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:31 ??armour_types 10:26:31 armour types[1/2]: Basic armor types: Robes [2AC, 0ER]; Leather [3AC, 4ER]; Troll Leather [4AC, 4MR, +0.4HP/turn]; Ring Mail [5AC, 7ER]; Scale Mail [6AC, 10ER]; Chain Mail [8AC, 15ER]; Plate Mail [10AC, 18ER]; Crystal Plate [14AC, 23ER] 10:26:36 ??armour_types[2 10:26:37 armour types[2/2]: Dragon armours: Steam [5AC, 0ER, rSteam]; Mottled [6AC, 5ER, rNapalm]; Swamp [7AC, 7ER, rPois]; Quicksilver [9AC, 7ER, MR+, unenchantable]; Fire [8AC, 11ER, rF++, rC-]; Ice [9AC, 11ER, rC++, rF-]; Pearl [10AC, 11ER, rN+]; Storm [10AC, 15ER, rElec]; Shadow [10AC, 15ER, Stlth++++]; Gold [12AC, 23ER, rF+, rC+, rPois] 10:26:51 ??dragon armour 10:26:52 dragon scales[1/2]: In order of ascending ER: {steam dragon scales}, {acid dragon scales}/{mottled dragon scales}, {quicksilver dragon scales}, {swamp dragon scales}, {fire dragon scales}, {ice dragon scales}, {pearl dragon scales}, {storm dragon scales}, {shadow dragon scales}, {gold dragon scales} 10:27:12 !learn set armour_types[2] see {dragon scales} 10:27:12 armour types[2/2]: see {dragon scales} 10:27:51 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:16 ??zzxc 10:28:16 zzxc[1/2]: My 0.18+ TrXX guide: TACTICS: Tab then eat things. Don't get surrounded. Use Throwing/Evoc vs hydras. Run away to regen HP. SKILLS: Priorities are UC > Fighting > Dodging. Train Shields in line with Dodging when you find a shield, Armour if you find dragon armour, and 6-10 Invoc depending on god. Optional: Throwing, Evoc, early 2-4 spell skills. 10:28:32 !learn edit zzxc s/dragon armour/dragon scales/ 10:28:32 Use: !learn edit zzxc[NUM] s/// 10:28:38 !learn edit zzxc[1] s/dragon armour/dragon scales/ 10:28:39 zzxc[1/2]: My 0.18+ TrXX guide: TACTICS: Tab then eat things. Don't get surrounded. Use Throwing/Evoc vs hydras. Run away to regen HP. SKILLS: Priorities are UC > Fighting > Dodging. Train Shields in line with Dodging when you find a shield, Armour if you find dragon scales, and 6-10 Invoc depending on god. Optional: Throwing, Evoc, early 2-4 spell skills. 10:29:34 !learn set armours[2] see {dragon scales} 10:29:34 armours[2/2]: see {dragon scales} 10:29:37 ??armours[2] 10:29:37 dragon scales[1/2]: In order of ascending ER: {steam dragon scales}, {acid dragon scales}/{mottled dragon scales}, {quicksilver dragon scales}, {swamp dragon scales}, {fire dragon scales}, {ice dragon scales}, {pearl dragon scales}, {storm dragon scales}, {shadow dragon scales}, {gold dragon scales} 10:29:45 ??armouts 10:29:45 I don't have a page labeled armouts in my learndb. Did you mean: armours, armour. 10:29:47 ??armours 10:29:47 armours[1/2]: In order of ER, ascending: {robe}, {leather armour}, {troll leather armour}, {ring mail}, {scale mail}, {chain mail}, {plate armour}, {crystal plate armour} 10:29:51 ??armour_types 10:29:51 armour types[1/2]: Basic armor types: Robes [2AC, 0ER]; Leather [3AC, 4ER]; Troll Leather [4AC, 4MR, +0.4HP/turn]; Ring Mail [5AC, 7ER]; Scale Mail [6AC, 10ER]; Chain Mail [8AC, 15ER]; Plate Mail [10AC, 18ER]; Crystal Plate [14AC, 23ER] 10:30:08 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:30:25 !learn set armour_types see {armours} 10:30:25 armour types[1/2]: see {armours} 10:30:29 !learn del armour_types[2] 10:30:29 Deleted armour types[2/2]: see {dragon scales} 10:39:52 -!- Chthon is now known as Guest47816 10:41:13 -!- Guest47816 has quit [Client Quit] 10:47:33 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:56:51 -!- Kite has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57:51 -!- Kadarus has quit [] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:17 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:15:30 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 11:23:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:00 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:38:29 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:22 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:40:06 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:54 how many people here have strong feelings about KFEAT syntax 11:46:58 I know you're lurking 11:47:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:26 I want to set teleporter endpoints through that, but am a bit worried that adding a new KFEAT form is odd 11:47:51 it should be alright, but I need to be certain of how it can be specified before I can even extend said syntax 11:48:43 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 11:48:49 I think KFEAT is done after all subst/shuffle etc, so it should be fine to specify a glyph as a destination 11:49:02 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:49:20 probably I'll simply need to add something to the map check pass to make sure teleporters have a proper endpoint 11:49:55 gammafunk: i mean, it's done in the order the des file is written, not necessarily at the end, right 11:50:14 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:50:15 amalloy: no, some syntax handles specifically after all those are applied 11:50:20 namely the K* ones 11:50:22 weird 11:50:37 amalloy: I think it's necessary and intentional 11:50:38 why have that feature, instead of just saying to write your maps in the right order? 11:51:28 I think the complication arises from those things generally being special in some way where 11:52:14 they have to do some map thingie creation call then given the imformation they have and have fidelity that said thingie won't change 11:52:38 -!- Vitalus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:53:16 but just for my teleporter endpoint, I'd not want some subsequent subst to intend to clobber it when I've already made the call to create the teleporter+endpoint 11:53:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:54:22 -!- Vitalus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:16 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:22 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-269-g17f5411 (34) 12:08:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:15:30 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 12:19:22 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:27:50 -!- Kite has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 12:29:50 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:39 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:50:24 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:43 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:52:08 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:14 -!- kekekek has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:18 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:03:02 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:32 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:14:47 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:21:51 Odd loop of shallow water in Shoals 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10841 by glennmatthews 13:22:18 oo, neat 13:22:18 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:22:20 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:22:34 gammafunk: gonna add a ganja elemental in the next release 13:27:59 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 13:31:27 can't, no room on the E glyph! 13:33:13 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:34:31 isn't there, tho 13:45:36 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:52 -!- Concrocotta has quit [Quit: Ciao] 13:53:28 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57:19 -!- ChthonicOne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:36 -!- Tux[Qyou] is now known as TheOracle 14:05:43 -!- TheOracle is now known as Tux[Qyou] 14:17:48 PleasingFungus: stepping on twelwe's toes again! 14:17:55 :P 14:20:08 -!- frd has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:36:01 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:38:41 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:38:50 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.0.2/20161129173726]] 14:39:42 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:14 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:03 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 14:46:15 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:46:52 -!- duvessa has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:17 -!- and has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:11:36 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:31 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:57 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:38 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:25:38 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:35:33 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:46:59 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:51:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:53:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:54:23 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:56:05 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:42 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:11 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 16:13:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:21 -!- Taraiph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:29 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:29 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:32:48 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 16:33:24 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:29 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:43:41 -!- l3a1 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:50:19 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Client Quit] 16:56:30 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:16 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:05:28 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:07:01 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:07:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:09:15 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 17:10:37 so 17:10:41 is it officially "evokable" or "evocable" 17:10:46 looking through our commit history we use both 17:12:42 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:56 <|amethyst> It's 'evokable' in most of the function names that use the word, but both appear in comments 17:13:32 <|amethyst> in-game (descriptions and help), they also both appear, but "evokable" more often it looks like 17:13:34 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Client Quit] 17:15:39 why would it be evokable and evocations? i understand in "evoke" you need the K to make a hard C sound, but when it's followed by an A it should be a C 17:15:40 <|amethyst> I prefer "evocable", but I do tend to pronounce it "evokable" with the stress on the o 17:16:20 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:16:45 google corrects "evokable" to "evocable" 17:16:56 <|amethyst> amalloy: I think of it as evokable < Eng. evoke + -able, evocable < (notional) Lat. evocabilis 17:20:46 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:20:50 -!- ddubois has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:06 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 17:24:09 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:36 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 17:28:08 -!- epsilonhalbe has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:32:08 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 17:34:34 +1 evocable 17:34:54 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:16 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:37:58 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:41 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:41:05 scoreboard is down for ~2 days while we migrate to the new public logfile API backend 17:47:55 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 17:52:14 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:07 -!- Kadarus has quit [] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 18:04:04 What was the state of kekekek's Ctrl-X colouring patch? (We briefly talked about it yesterday.) 18:04:04 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:05:03 !messages 18:05:04 (1/1) bhaak said (10h 16m 36s ago): I laughed so hard at the 4th paragraph, I thought I should share https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13127142 18:07:17 oh my god! that person is everywhere! 18:07:27 oh wait, nevermind 18:07:34 i thought it was the reddit post 18:07:52 "I'm seriously impressed with how much the DCSS developers have achieved, and how quickly they've achieved it." hmm 18:08:18 hear hear 18:09:10 that's not the funny part 18:09:17 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09:55 bhaak: when in doubt, don't do it like Nethack... these are indeed my words <3 18:11:08 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:13:09 dpeg: they are also in the learndb 18:13:13 bhaak: I hope you don't gloat about that unfortunate typo... "DCSS is now by favourite rougelike by far" :) 18:13:51 too common to gloat over it :-| 18:14:15 nethack players don't make that mistake often because they only talk about nethack, not roguelikes 18:14:33 bhaak: your reply is very factual and considerate... you'd make a good Crawl agitator! 18:15:46 bhaak: in fact, there are some things we borrowed from Nethack: our shaft traps, ammo mulching 18:16:07 I already have a job on a devteam where I don't do anything, no need to collect more of them :) 18:16:27 I guess you already milked nethack for all good there is in there 18:17:41 you need to try to talk about your game in slightly more positive terms 18:17:47 And yet again, the only negativity on the post is from someone mourning a removed feature haha 18:17:48 for example, it has: Sokobon! 18:18:34 classic don't have to be good, they are classics ;-) 18:18:43 SteelNeuron: yes, removals really are development hygiene 18:19:09 @dpeg I agree with the removals completely 18:19:10 bhaak: so we're overachievers by trying to make Crawl a decent classic? 18:19:17 It's not a design issue, it's a PR issue I think 18:19:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:52 no, the PR is fine: at any given moment, a bunch of people will come out of the woodwork to defend Crawl, its philosophy and the removals 18:20:05 we've brainwashed a generation! 18:20:18 Fair enough :) 18:20:33 dpeg: persistence helps also. just be around for long enough and don't completely suck, voila, a new classic 18:20:37 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:21:11 bhaak: don't know if you know about it, but this is a very Japanese approach 18:22:14 !source _regenerate_hp_and_mp 18:22:15 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player-reacts.cc#L933 18:22:37 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:22:51 Lasty_: shouldn't this check you.props[MANA_REGEN_AMULET_ACTIVE] == 1? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player-reacts.cc#L971 18:24:34 -!- GhostOfToal has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:29:49 -!- epsilonhalbe has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:31:42 i don't think it's related, but it seems silly to me that we're doing inc_mp in a loop instead of just dividing by 100 and doing it once 18:32:23 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 18:34:27 it's a little trickier with the inc_hp code because that is actually making a decision in each iteration of the loop, but i think you could just do a div_rand_round to decide how much regen should be hp and how much should be mp. same mean result but with less variance and less work 18:35:31 I was trying to answer https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/5h8lqg/if_i_have_the_demonspawn_magic_shield_magic/?st=iwgzbvko&sh=3afca2ce but it's harder than I thought 18:36:20 -!- Katie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:39:21 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:41:13 it seems like "regen gives you 0.4 HP/turn, and "mpregen gives...0.15 MP/turn? 18:43:02 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:26 and yes, alexjurkiewicz, i think you're right that it should be checking whether the amulet is active 18:43:51 the only place we ever check to see if the amulet is active is in deciding whether to print the message that it's become active 18:44:08 so i think "mpregen is in fact secretly always active 18:46:32 <|amethyst> also, FR: put those spelling #defines into actual const char *s in a namespace and uncapitalise them 18:46:48 <|amethyst> for props 18:48:01 <|amethyst> (and then use an X macro so each name only has to appear once) 18:48:39 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:45 <|amethyst> err, X macro isn't quite what I meant 18:52:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:08 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:23 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:07 amalloy: yeah, that's what I was seeing, but it seems wrong 19:04:12 like, the mpregen is really tiny 19:04:40 if that's true though, you definitely want "regen for guardian spirit users 19:05:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:05:14 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:09:37 well, "mpregen is tiny in comparison to "regen because your mp is generally tiny compared to your hp 19:09:58 it's just that with the mp-link mutation, you make the two convertible 1:1, which is quite a good deal 19:13:06 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:16:56 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:24:45 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:29:46 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:37:05 -!- kekekek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:37:10 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 20:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:22 -!- huhu has quit [Client Quit] 20:05:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:07:48 ??offhand punch 20:07:48 offhand punch[1/2]: Does 5 + (unarmed skill / 2) damage. Got +6 bonus for blade hands prior to 0.16. Gets a +(claws level)d3 bonus for claws. Disabled in forms other than lich, shadow, statue and tree prior to 0.17. 20:07:53 why does Op get 50% more offhand punches than other races 20:10:28 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:14:20 fighting spirit 20:14:29 <|amethyst> they have 50% more offhands 20:20:16 -!- haltingproblem has quit [Quit: haltingproblem] 20:35:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:37:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:14 -!- tttt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:39:52 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:49:59 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:51:48 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:10 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:54 :) 21:03:13 ask a stupid question 21:05:16 How many fish are there in a hamburger? 21:06:18 yes 21:06:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:30 Lasty_: did you see my msg about regen 21:09:37 Lasty: * 21:12:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:13:28 alexjurkiewicz: nope! 21:13:49 and, I assume, never will 21:14:07 23:22 < alexjurkiewicz> Lasty_: shouldn't this check 21:14:07 you.props[MANA_REGEN_AMULET_ACTIVE] == 1? 21:14:07 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player-reacts.cc#L971 21:14:38 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:15:54 hmm, did someone nerf MPRegen? That seems like less than I remember... 21:16:06 but yeah, it can check that 21:16:10 and should 21:16:12 heh 21:16:14 good point 21:16:30 that's pretty funny 21:16:47 :) 21:16:49 is there a library or museum where i can see some embarassing deaths like the ones where people died to training dummies? 21:17:02 The Smithsonian? 21:17:03 maybe just remove the check if nobody seems to notice 21:17:08 something online 21:17:14 ??userdef 21:17:14 userdef[1/1]: https://loom.shalott.org/userdef.html 21:17:26 !embarrassingdeath 21:17:27 18/19. Errol1, XL16 HaAs, T:40898 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 21:17:47 alexjurkiewicz: I think it's probably worth doing right even if no one is noticing 21:18:57 this isn't very embarrassing so far 21:19:10 elven needles of sickening 21:19:17 except in the sense that it's embarrassing crawl had orcish and elven variants of everything.. yeah 21:19:49 !!kw embarrassing_deaths 21:19:53 !kw embarrassing_deaths 21:19:53 No keyword 'embarrassing_deaths' 21:19:57 !embarrassing 21:19:57 Bad number of arguments (6) to evalf, must be [1, 1] in $(evalf !lg ryak seee xl=27 ... in $(apply evalf $(entry ${1} $... in $(concat (${n}) $(apply eva... 21:20:15 nfi how that works or what the conditions are 21:20:32 someone help this man 21:20:35 !embarrassing 1 21:20:35 Bad number of arguments (5) to evalf, must be [1, 1] in $(evalf !lg evilmike place=t... in $(apply evalf $(entry ${1} $... in $(concat (${n}) $(apply eva... 21:20:40 he`s drowning 21:20:42 oh whoops 21:21:18 SOLDIERS, HELP THESE MEN 21:25:47 -!- WangHW has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:29:32 -!- epsilon_ has quit [Client Quit] 21:29:45 -!- tabstorm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:00 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:48:09 03Lasty02 07* 0.20-a0-270-g8e735b6: Don't give an MP regen bonus before amulet of MPRegen is attuned (alexjurkiewicz) 10(20 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8e735b615154 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:23 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-270-g8e735b6 (34) 22:10:21 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 22:12:15 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:59 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:16:23 -!- Brannock has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:06 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:45 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:46 The build passed. 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