00:00:10 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/390 * 0.20-a0-146-g8841361: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into force-more-zot-warning 10(3 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8841361e46ad 00:00:13 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:13 PleasingFungus: yeah 00:00:26 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:00:47 I wonder if we're expending too much mutation design space on Demonspawn and not other races 00:00:50 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:00:55 Ds have a *lot* of really cool stuff 00:01:14 oh, how many Ds games do I have left? 00:01:17 !greatrace . ds 00:01:22 Unwon demonspawns for Brannock: DsAE, DsCj, DsEE, DsSu, DsWz 00:01:26 it's like the fun part of mutation system 00:01:26 rip, only five more before I'm done 00:01:28 dang 00:01:52 ime normal mutations are the fun part and ds....are the unfun part 00:02:05 we've pared down normal muts a lot, though 00:02:10 at least they have flat apts going for them 00:03:05 one thing I want to see if I can fix for 0.20 00:03:10 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-149-g1c03bc9: More Demonic Guardian tweaks 10(29 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1c03bc9c1919 00:03:16 is demonspawn mutations showing up out of order in A screen 00:03:41 last time i tell you about a secret buff 00:03:53 i did see it, i was just undecided 00:03:55 also, lol. 00:04:02 you're such a playerthinker... 00:04:30 hey, i have a pr open to nerf my favourite species 00:04:39 396 00:05:22 ...ghouls, really? 00:05:33 rtorment bro 00:05:40 I guess that's more playerthink 00:05:40 . . . 00:05:48 🙈 00:05:54 NotLikeThis 00:06:15 ^ use of this proves I'm cool and hip 00:06:23 i do like the commit 00:06:25 are there other outstanding PRs? 00:06:34 well, obviously there are, but any mergeable ones? 00:06:39 it's not low hanging fruit, but this one https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/289 00:06:42 that's what i've been looking for 00:06:57 289 has r-i's vague seal of probable approval 00:07:00 "sounds reasonable to me" 00:07:08 the build failure is a timeout 00:07:16 401 might be ok 00:07:18 omg, r-i likes something I did???? 00:07:25 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:07:25 do you have a crush 00:07:31 chequers: geekosaur: here’s a build done with the 10.12 SDK (and Xcode 8.1) and clang’s libc++ instead of gcc’s libstdc++, and *nominally* targetting 10.7 and up. Worth testing? http://aaronegolden.com/DCSS-Tiles_Build_10.12_Deploy_10.7.zip 00:07:32 chequers: you want to put that nice PR commentary in the commit message, remember 00:07:34 i don't have to answer that 00:07:35 am i gonna be passing notes back and forth for you two 00:07:40 people will read the commit later, not the PR 00:07:51 I guess it will link back in most cases, but 00:07:58 If you want to do the build, do the build 00:08:05 right now you have a commit with the action in the title 00:08:08 I'm happier not fighting with Apple anyway 00:08:10 but no reasoning (that's all in the PR) 00:08:11 gammafunk: i try to only justify my changes after they're merged, since otherwise people knock back PRs based on my justification 💁 00:08:12 do you have a way to sign it? 00:08:33 not a good way 00:08:35 aegolden: geekosaur: I think it's at least worth putting up on the download site pending someone coming up with a better build 00:08:39 chequers: that's 1) a bad habit and 2) a sign you might not have good justification 00:08:39 lmao 00:08:46 i noticed that your recent prs were very terse 00:08:49 also what gamma said 00:08:49 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:55 it's good to just write something simple and focused, I don't think what you wrote in the PR sounding horrible 00:09:00 oh man, i missed a great word in the branch name 00:09:08 reunification 00:09:12 s/sounding/sounded/ 00:09:15 I mean I guess I could sign it as me, but does the DCSS dev team even have a dev profile/signing identity for that? 00:09:16 I have extremely good reasoning for my commits, I just get lost in my endless rebases and forget to write up essays justifying them 00:09:27 i saw a great han unification joke the other day... 00:09:45 yeah, I mean it's time consuming to write long justifications, but if you *do* write one, plz in the commit message 00:10:01 chequers: don’t go putting *that* one on the download site though because that’s built of my PR branch that was from main 00:10:05 it’s not like a nice build of 0.19 00:10:17 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-148-gb6cfb21 (34) 00:10:20 PleasingFungus: gammafunk: I updated the commit message of the bailey one 00:10:33 PleasingFungus: well most of the recent PRs didn't need much explanation either 00:10:42 I'll take a look at bailey then 00:10:48 I put a big explanation in https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/397 00:11:15 yeah, you can just copy over or w/e (that's what I'd do if I had to merge it) 00:11:45 399 is probably one i'm interested in feedback on 00:11:49 just don't be like MarvinPA and give commit messages clearly made to bait tavern! 00:11:59 it's vaguely like what marvinpa did this morning with badforms 00:12:02 we all remember the crown of eternal torment fiasco... 00:12:36 (I'm joking, he didn't bait anyone, but people just seazed on 'newbie trap' in that message endlessly) 00:13:04 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409: Brutally nerf Confusing Touch/fungus form 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0ef840951156 00:13:07 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/289 * 0.19-a0-466-g616342f: Unify 'axe' and 'polearm' baileys 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 38+ 105-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/616342fafe82 00:13:10 hey is pakellas supposed to be back in the game? 00:13:10 no 00:13:10 well 00:13:13 depends how you mean "supposed to" 00:13:13 just found pak in 0.20 00:13:15 (isn't reading tavern the real crown of eternal torment?) 00:13:18 huh 00:13:18 !lm walkerboh 00:13:20 34602. [2016-11-21 05:10:20] hyperboh the Conjurer (L4 HECj of Pakellas) became a worshipper of Pakellas on turn 1685. (D:2) 00:13:22 !lm walkerboh x=v 00:13:24 34602. [2016-11-21 05:10:20] [v=0.20.0-a0] hyperboh the Conjurer (L4 HECj of Pakellas) became a worshipper of Pakellas on turn 1685. (D:2) 00:13:32 sick 00:13:42 wow fuck why nerf fungusform 00:13:49 dunno if it's like an altar vault that wasn't affected or what 00:13:58 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:58 &watch hyperboh 00:13:59 http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-hyperboh 00:14:02 WalkerBoh: did you transfer? 00:14:03 you had better not lose that game 00:14:07 it might have already generated? 00:14:15 at the game start? 00:14:18 !lm * vlong>=0.19-a0-1173-ge213fbe pakelass x=cdist(gid) 00:14:18 !lg * md won 00:14:19 No keyword 'pakelass' 00:14:19 show the vault 00:14:24 and dump 00:14:24 542. DavionFuxa the Slayer (L27 MDSt of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-04-08 02:27:01, with 1502204 points after 166322 turns and 23:02:36. 00:14:24 the game was started in june 00:14:26 !lm WalkerBoh x=gid 00:14:27 34602. [2016-11-21 05:10:20] [game_key=hyperboh:cao:20160512075658S] hyperboh the Conjurer (L4 HECj of Pakellas) became a worshipper of Pakellas on turn 1685. (D:2) 00:14:27 &dump hyperboh 00:14:27 but i played 0 turns 00:14:29 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/hyperboh/hyperboh.txt 00:14:31 !lg * md won max=v x=cv 00:14:32 pakelass 00:14:33 542. [cv=0.11-a] Nomi the Slayer (L26 MDFi of Elyvilon), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-04-23 23:21:39, with 1208037 points after 133457 turns and 14:51:15. 00:14:35 yeah, so started before pak was removed 00:14:39 !lm WalkerBoh gid=hyperboh:cao:20160512075658S 1 x=vlong 00:14:40 1/2. [2016-06-12 07:57:09] [vlong=0.19-a0-600-g387a89b] hyperboh the Conjurer (L1 HECj) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 00:14:40 11747 | Lair:1 | Upgraded the game from 0.19.0-20-gbc5f0c6 to 0.19.0-23-gf02e663 00:14:41 I assume? 00:14:44 right 00:14:48 yep 00:14:52 i didn't realize it picked all altar vaults from the start of the game 00:14:53 yeah 00:14:54 enjoy your pak run 00:14:57 it doesn't generate that level by level? 00:14:58 not *all* of them 00:15:06 but it does guarantee that every temple god shows up 00:15:26 !lm * alive pak s=gid 00:15:39 !lm * alive pak x=cdist(gid) 00:15:51 2811 milestones for * (alive pak): 82x rezek:cxc:20160408023118S, 79x Gildefarne:cao:20160509144224S, 78x geewiz:cao:20160603020508S, 69x chukamok:cbro:20160727164807S, 68x Sporophyte:cao:20160404034944S, 65x WingedEspeon:cao:20151107221607S, 59x AtfirstIwasafraid:cxc:20151118085836S, 57x genericpseudonym:cszo:20160222062021S, 57x Banquo:cbro:20160916170601S, 56x R18:cue:20151107100829S, 55x Celer... 00:15:53 2811 milestones for * (alive pak): cdist(game_key)=145 00:15:56 unfortunately my conduct for hyper is first god, so now i'm stuck with this shitty pak char 00:16:03 but at least it's not a bug 00:16:21 we should fix pakellas 00:16:29 like you fix a dog? 00:16:30 experiment with him, even 00:16:42 that's unethical 00:17:18 i was thinking about pakellas a bit last night 00:17:22 trying to reinvent him from first principles 00:17:45 dang 00:17:46 what's the first principle? god of evocables? 00:17:51 starting the experiment over... 00:17:52 "does cool shit" 00:17:56 ^ 00:17:56 chequers: ya 00:18:01 i'd take the 72 club premise and build off of that 00:18:05 if trog is a weapon god, and sif is a book god, then what does an evocations god look like? not necessarily quite as tightly coupled to evocables, but with abilities that have strong synergy with them 00:18:09 pretty sure that was the only thing people loved about pak 00:18:19 lol 00:18:32 just let pakellas powercharge evocs and consume them doing so 00:18:33 the evo enhancer was my fave ability, albeit fiddly 00:18:36 also no recharging 00:18:44 maybe piety based chance to overcharge? 00:18:50 historically in crawl, renewables lead to trouble 00:18:52 you aren't gonna be using his abilities that often in a game, then 00:19:00 you'd run out of stuff real quick otherwise 00:19:20 yeah. that's a property of evocables really. You just don't get that many 00:19:29 probably focusing on non-consumable evocables, rods and elementals, is safer. maybe the stackable ones are ok. wands are the problem, since they fill up your inventory 00:19:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:34 we don't need two nems 00:19:55 increase elemental evoker recharge with piety 00:20:42 maybe we can rename the soul anchor god to "pakellas" 00:20:58 and really mess up scoreboard developers, those losers 00:21:01 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:23:28 is there a function to calculate the distance between two coord_defs? 00:23:40 in '1 tile = 1 step', not manhattan 00:24:19 !source grid_distance 00:24:19 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/coord.cc#L12 00:24:37 oh, no i think i want distance2 00:25:00 remember that i have a legit, online-posted and reviewed wand god proposal..... 00:25:59 just use it already https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21174 00:27:13 I think Maxwell's Thermic Engine is really neat 00:27:15 but I love wizard items. 00:27:20 I'm not sure if it's actually good. 00:27:57 Patent Armour, Etheric Cage, Thermic Engine 00:28:05 He did at least take the work to make it sound 'right' 00:28:18 it's really good 00:28:22 FR: Someone design and implement Maxwell's Forge wizlab 00:28:23 it's funny that the armour is -cast and the helmet is regenmp 00:28:26 i was upset when my tengu could not use the etheric cage. i mean hello, its a bird 00:28:43 minmay, I mean 'good' in terms of design. It's clearly strong 00:28:47 average damage equivalent to a +6 dblade of speed, unless i misunderstand the code 00:28:48 oh 00:29:05 yeah it terms of design its questionable since its basically just a speed weapon against monsters without resists, and basically just a flaming or freezing weapon against monsters with resists 00:29:11 pretty much, yeah 00:29:22 though most players won't care about that and will go "neat! flaming AND freezing!" 00:29:31 maybe the tradeoff is worthwhile 00:29:41 but thats the curse of having like 5 brands that boil down to "+X% average damage" i guess 00:30:12 who is bold enough to implement vamp + holy wep? 00:30:41 bennu did it 00:30:45 benwho? 00:31:03 beng... ah you`re playing 00:31:38 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-148-gb6cfb21 (34) 00:33:46 make morg a speed+pain weapon 00:34:03 chequers: *this* one is stone_soup-0.19+change to the Makefile so it can build in Xcode 8 and target 10.7 (supposedly): http://aaronegolden.com/DCSS-Tiles-0.19_Build_10.12_Deploy_10.7.zip 00:34:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:34:40 still, given geekosaur’s experiences, would love to have some good testing on it before it was used in any kind of official way 00:34:53 yeah i can't modify the website, i'm just an interested third party 00:35:08 (two friends asked me for the tiles build, so I made them one myself) 00:38:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:38:59 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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(Y/N)" 01:08:15 rchandra: OK, I'll let zibudo know. 01:08:25 also other server admins may have similar ^ 01:09:09 wow. Uppercase [Y]es or [N]o only, please. 01:10:02 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409 (34) 01:10:20 EV: -1667 01:10:20 hm 01:14:00 did colours get changed a lot? 01:14:22 %git :/colour 01:14:22 07johnny002 * 0.19-a0-1760-gced5a84: libunix.cc: Use flip_colour() for CHATTR_REVERSE. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ced5a848aedb 01:16:13 in trunk? yeah all the johhny0 commits 01:16:21 did they affect webtiles? 01:16:28 !tell twelwe ev bonus added 01:16:28 chequers: OK, I'll let twelwe know. 01:16:38 sweet 01:16:38 twelwe: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:16:39 I'm in console 01:16:47 and there's so much blue on screen 01:16:53 blue is so bad 01:17:01 !messages 01:17:01 (1/1) chequers said (33s ago): ev bonus added 01:17:37 i like blue 01:18:41 rchandra: do you have a background color set? 01:18:52 not to my knowledge 01:19:13 hrm, my game isn't blue on cbro 01:19:18 %git 01:19:18 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409: Brutally nerf Confusing Touch/fungus form 10(68 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0ef840951156 01:19:20 oh 01:19:26 cbro hasn't updated 01:19:29 the message log and the out of los 01:19:42 doesn't it usually update at midnight? 01:19:49 twelwe: i'm also changing the soul anchor radius to r = 4 + (you.piety/20 * 2) (eg about 4-14) 01:19:50 !lm . x=vlong 01:19:51 17743. [2016-11-21 06:12:42] [vlong=0.20-a0-148-gb6cfb21] rchandra the Ducker (L1 SpFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 01:19:52 ??rebuild 01:19:53 rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 01:19:55 twelwe: mostly as an experiment 01:20:08 it's probably in process of rebuild 01:20:12 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409 (34) 01:20:34 let me know when that hits your server. 4 seems small but i`ll try it 01:21:01 any way to ramp up the piety gain temporarily? 01:21:19 yes 01:21:37 i'll remove piety decay 01:21:44 thats a great idea 01:21:45 gammafunk: yeah trunk only, 0.19 isn't making blue (the unrecommended chars in the selection screen is a quick way to see) 01:22:05 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 01:22:38 twelwe: can you stop playing for now? 01:22:44 sure 01:22:44 twelwe: i can't update the build while someone is playing it 01:22:54 you got it 01:24:12 l8r 01:25:17 ??riposte 01:25:17 riposte[1/3]: New mechanic in 0.19. Long blades & the {fencer's gloves} give a 33% chance to retaliate when enemies miss you, giving you an automatic free attack. Monsters aren't cool enough to riposte. 01:25:19 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:31 yeah seems like anything that was darkgrey is now blue 01:28:29 do you have a custom rc colour setup perchance 01:29:07 not to my knowledge - for example my 0.19 uses the same rcfile and isn't doing that 01:29:24 I just change individual monsters and such 01:34:17 hrm 01:34:35 cbro must have the rebuild on nice 01:34:38 so it just takes longer 01:35:38 rchandra: the only thing that's blue for me is the "unknown command" message 01:35:42 oh 01:35:43 wait 01:35:46 out of los stuff is indeed blue 01:35:55 and press m ? 01:36:29 yeah they all turn blue 01:36:34 this skills you mean? 01:36:39 but I don't know what those used to be 01:36:44 is all darkgrey stuff just blue now? 01:36:49 it seems so 01:36:58 that's bad 01:37:20 johnny0: All darkgrey stuff seems blue after your branch was merged 01:39:26 we shall have to fix that 01:39:46 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:03 thanks! just added a quit to my record for it, need to stick with stable for now :) 01:40:05 major chat vibes from the gammafunk corner 01:40:19 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:40:48 maybe its more of a sphere than a corner, like a bright chatsphere 01:44:17 it's a chat klein bottle 01:48:28 -!- Zeor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:20 ok yall chequers has done great work on wundvrond conduct, this is .20 material for real 01:51:44 this should be top dev priority, no bias here 01:51:47 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:56:36 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409 01:57:58 !tell chequers some aura issues with moving between levels only resolved by moving, not waiting or resting. +ev bonus could use some blue coloring (i.e. agility pot), as it looks a little odd to see the number decrease until there is no bonus and remain white. no other issues 01:57:59 twelwe: OK, I'll let chequers know. 01:59:33 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:01 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:45 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:58 can we have a sanguine scales buff 02:04:06 ??sanguine scales 02:04:07 I don't have a page labeled sanguine_scales in my learndb. 02:04:22 ??scales 02:04:22 scales[1/2]: A group of resistance-related scales mutations. Includes molten scales (rF+), icy blue scales (rC+), yellow scales (rCorr), green scales (rPois), or metallic scales (rElec). The resistance is gained at mutation level 3. Different colours have different levels of AC, and some colours don't give a resistance. 02:04:26 ??scales[2 02:04:26 scales[2/2]: Molten [2, 3, 4 rF+]; Icy [2, 3, 4 rC+]; Yellow [2, 3, 4 rCorr]; Green [2, 3, 4rPois]; Metallic [2, 3, 4 rElec]; Iridescent [2, 4, 6] Bone Plates [SH+4, 6, 8]; Brown [1 +3% HP, 2 +5% HP, 3 +7% HP]; Repulsion [EV+2, EV+3, EV+4RMsl]; Sturdy [ER-2, ER-4, ER-6]; Sanguine [6, 9, 12 at <40%hp] 02:05:29 maybe <60% hp or 10,15,20 maybe 02:06:04 10,15,20 might be a bit overboard 02:07:14 8,12,16? 02:08:29 < some sensible HP, I think 02:08:42 combine iridescent with sanguine 02:08:50 so it at least tempts you to continue, instead of just maybe saving you from ranged enemies while running away 02:08:54 errr get rid of iridescent completely 02:09:37 yeah 6,9,12 at <60% would be decent 02:09:49 autofight stop is usually set around there 02:10:10 or how about AC boost scales with HP lost, so you have current power at 40$ by 3/4.5/6 at 70% etc 02:10:33 s/\$/%/ 02:10:33 scaling scales sounds better 02:10:38 Mmm 02:12:23 bonus = (3/6/9)*(mhp/hp - 1) 02:12:28 imo 02:12:43 !hp ds 27 27 02:12:44 HP apt: 0, XL: 27, Fighting: 27 => MHP = 249 02:12:51 !calc 1.3*249 02:12:52 323.7 02:13:05 !calc 1.0/323 02:13:06 0 02:13:17 !calc 9*322 02:13:18 2898 02:13:57 hm 02:13:57 so Ds with robust 3, 1 hp, max skills, and sanguine 3 has +2898 AC! 02:13:59 &versions 02:14:08 CAO: 0.20-a0-81-g6e69d53, CBRO: 0.20-a0-81-g6e69d53, CDO: 0.20-a0-81-g6e69d53, CJR: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409, CPO: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409, CUE: 0.20-a0-121-g18cc4de, CWZ: 0.20-a0-2-g2b0e13a, CXC: 0.20-a0-148-gb6cfb21, LLD: 0.20-a0 02:14:15 yes I think this would be balance 02:14:18 !tell ebering do your thesis on .99=1 02:14:18 twelwe: OK, I'll let ebering know. 02:14:33 oh did those commits just come after the rebuild started? 02:14:41 I don't think so, cdo updated 02:17:29 i don`t know 02:17:39 sorry 02:18:57 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:00 gammafunk: darkgrey-on-black is rendered as blue-on-black with default options due to bugs like #10744 02:36:16 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:26 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 02:38:56 -!- knu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:26 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:53 gammafunk: i specifically chose blue-on-black over lightgrey-on-black because crawl often uses darkgrey to specifically differentiate from lightgrey (out of los map, non-training skills, etc.) 02:41:47 ??rot 02:41:47 rot[1/3]: A temporary condition much like poison but attacking max HP instead of current HP. The condition can be cured with a potion of curing. The damage, once done, can be fixed with curing or heal wounds, which remove rot before restoring HP, or with Ely's {purification}. 02:42:06 ??rot2 02:42:06 rot2 ~ rot[1/3]: A temporary condition much like poison but attacking max HP instead of current HP. The condition can be cured with a potion of curing. The damage, once done, can be fixed with curing or heal wounds, which remove rot before restoring HP, or with Ely's {purification}. 02:43:06 johnny0: well blue is a bad color to use for some of the things it's being used for with this latest commit, I think 02:43:16 I need to wrap my head around what all the issues are here though 02:44:14 but it's definitely going to make many console users such as myself and rchandra want to immediately change their rc settings to use lightgrey-on-black again 02:44:34 yeah it's unplayable for me right now 02:44:36 yeah, allow_extended_colours=true is probably what you want to use if you have a modern terminal 02:45:02 oh, and no_dark_brand=false 02:45:14 oh 02:45:18 the no_dark_brand option existed before this wave of commits, but it was essentially broken 02:45:25 shouldn't the default be to assume a modern terminal? 02:45:31 these might be optiosn we want to be in the default rc, yeah 02:45:43 what sort of terminal doesn't support extended colours btw? 02:45:57 dangit 02:45:58 hrm 02:46:03 chequers: it's all in the pull request write-up 02:46:11 I really need to use a different test account! 02:46:15 other than RandomTiles 02:46:36 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/377 02:46:37 so I can sourc ein my rc 02:46:38 fwiw 02:47:09 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:47:19 It's safe to underestimate the terminal by default, but not safe to overestimate it by default. Crawl currently overestimates or otherwise expects implementation-specific behavior for the terminal. 02:47:34 johnny0: is there any reason why both of those options can't just be on by default? 02:47:42 03aegolden02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/400 * 0.20-a0-151-g5535a34: Change Mac OS X build arguments 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5535a346c3bc 02:47:42 03aegolden02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/400 * 0.20-a0-152-gca3d876: Remove logic related to trying to find oldest available Mac OS X SDK 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 67-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ca3d87652e12 02:47:42 03aegolden02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/400 * 0.20-a0-153-g3829dfc: Simplify Mac OS X build instructions in INSTALL.txt 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3829dfc30d05 02:47:42 03aegolden02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/400 * 0.20-a0-154-g54b4a97: Rename APPLE_GCC to APPLE_PLATFORM 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/54b4a97bee7e 02:48:02 i wonder what the default for things like osx terminal, osx iterm, gnome-terminal, and konsole are 02:48:16 and putty, which i'm pretty sure sucks a lot 02:48:19 well all of those would have "modern termminals" 02:48:21 gammafunk: ttyrecs mostly, but just to guarantee that no matter what the game doesn't produce invisible characters 02:48:28 hrm 02:49:04 so if I enable these, my tvs won't be playable in footv? 02:49:39 with those on, no characters are recommended 02:49:47 so I don't think that's quite it 02:50:44 gammafunk: well, the servers use the webtiles ttyrecs, right? 02:50:48 ... huh? started once, all was lightgrey. went back, and now it's blue + lightgray 02:51:31 johnny0: yeah, but those are influenced by crawl rc options certainly 02:51:45 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:52:17 again I don't really understand all the issues here, just trying to get rc settings that will make people happy display-wise (and possibly footv-wise) 02:52:23 oh, i thought they use a default rc -- for example, my ttyrecs don't have block elements for walls (but if you watch me live, they will be) 02:52:53 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:53:04 !lm . orb -tv 02:53:05 74. gammafunk, XL26 DrCK, T:86348 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 02:53:16 dengit 02:53:21 !lm . orb -tv:channel=me 02:53:22 74. gammafunk, XL26 DrCK, T:86348 (milestone) requested for me: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 02:53:33 rchandra: oh uh, if your TERM variable is set to an 8-color terminal you won't be able to use extended colours -- see the bold_brightens_foreground and blink_brightens_background options 02:53:57 so if TERM=xterm rather than xterm-256color 02:54:08 ? 02:54:10 yep, and guess what is set by default for most emulators 02:54:33 oh, I guess it is indeed... 02:54:35 hrm 02:54:40 !bug 10744 02:54:40 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10744 02:54:45 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409 02:54:46 i guess i feel your default are overly aggressively conservative 02:54:47 but then, how does that work 02:55:37 yeah mine is also xterm 02:55:47 chequers: yeah, i was worried they may be, but then someone filed 10744 02:56:10 -!- glaas has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:56:12 which shows that users *still* run into these issues after all this time 02:56:23 I'm just baffled that such a thing can happen, and that I got different behaviour with the options on once and only once 02:56:51 &versions 02:57:00 CAO: 0.20-a0-81-g6e69d53, CBRO: 0.20-a0-81-g6e69d53, CDO: 0.20-a0-81-g6e69d53, CJR: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409, CPO: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409, CUE: 0.20-a0-121-g18cc4de, CWZ: 0.20-a0-2-g2b0e13a, CXC: 0.20-a0-148-gb6cfb21, LLD: 0.20-a0 02:57:07 ??rebuild 02:57:08 rebuild[1/2]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/rebuild/ Bug |amethyst or Nap.Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 02:57:10 the magic of linux compatibility! 02:57:38 !tell brannock i got this line twice "WORSHIP ME, MORTAL," Xom booms, "AND I SHALL GRANT YOU THE GREATEST GIFT OF ALL." 02:57:38 chequers: OK, I'll let brannock know. 02:57:45 there's a pretty good post by ais that mentions some of the issues regarding darkgrey too 02:57:49 people using OS X don't get to snark about compatibility 02:59:14 gammafunk: the branch was partially inspired by the osx default terminal -- not sure if the newer default is any better 02:59:22 if it has to happen then it has to happen, but there really should be a way for people to keep old behaviour since it's by far the minority affected... 02:59:33 :) 02:59:46 http://nethack4.org/blog/portable-terminal-codes.html is an interesting read 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:25 rchandra: sorry, let me get you the 8-color settings you're likely looking for -- which terminal are you using? 03:01:48 putty 03:02:39 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 03:02:48 -!- rchandra has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:03:12 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 03:03:12 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 03:04:09 i got my big river vault and it is awesome 03:04:24 might try to make some more like it 03:04:26 rchandra: k, i'll throw the settings at the top of my rcfile and send you the link 03:05:58 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:06:37 -!- gressup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:06:45 -!- lynn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:07:33 &rc . 03:07:42 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/johnnyzero.rc 03:08:21 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:48 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 03:09:41 you probably died in the big river vault 03:09:48 n00bsauc3 03:10:37 thanks, that seems to work johnny0, let's hope it doesn't magically stop again 03:17:24 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:18:17 rchandra: you can actually toggle the option mid-game with instant effect provided a redraw is forced; no_dark_brand=false has no effect on fg/bg in 8-color mode if the respective X_brightens_Yground=false though 03:20:51 johnny0: I wouldn't need those last two if my TERM was xterm-256color? 03:21:51 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:23:21 -!- ZiBuDo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:23:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:24:17 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:24:17 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409 (34) 03:25:45 johnny0: I could also change the "terminal-type string" in putty, would that be a better approach? 03:27:11 gammafunk: you'd need allow_extended_colours=true and no_dark_brand=false for full 16-color support 03:28:35 rchandra: yeah, you'd probably want "putty-256color" in there and then the same settings as gammafunk 03:29:28 it starts as 'xterm', though there'a also an already-checked box for "allow terminal to use xterm 256-colour mode" 03:29:34 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:11 yeah that method also seems to work, feels like it might be safer in future 03:32:15 rchandra: i think you need to both have that option enabled *and* have the right terminal-type string in connection->data 03:33:39 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:34:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:56 what causes clouds to flicker? 03:39:01 oh, hm 03:39:24 Has there ever been a mechanic in the game allowing players to seal doors (like a Warden) as an escape mechanism? Just curious 03:39:58 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:40:02 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:40:15 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40:48 &versions 03:40:56 CAO: 0.20-a0-81-g6e69d53, CBRO: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409, CDO: 0.20-a0-81-g6e69d53, CJR: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409, CPO: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409, CUE: 0.20-a0-121-g18cc4de, CWZ: 0.20-a0-2-g2b0e13a, CXC: 0.20-a0-148-gb6cfb21, LLD: 0.20-a0 03:41:00 there we go 03:43:54 SteelNeuron: dooroklohe! 03:43:56 (no) 03:45:35 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:49:40 -!- Kramell has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:58:32 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04:25 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:05:47 -!- beogh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:05:48 SteelNeuron: if you're very tricky you can get a convoker to recall things out of the sealed room you are in 04:08:19 oh 04:08:21 !kw recent 04:08:21 Keyword: recent => cv>=0.17 04:08:26 !kw recentish 04:08:27 Keyword: recentish => cv>=0.16 04:08:32 finally time to update those! 04:08:42 !kw recentish cv>=0.17 04:08:43 Defined keyword: recentish => cv>=0.17 04:08:55 !kw recent cv>=0.18 04:08:56 Defined keyword: recent => cv>=0.18 04:08:59 !kw current 04:08:59 Keyword: current => cv>=0.18 04:09:06 !kw current cv>=0.19 04:09:07 Defined keyword: current => cv>=0.19 04:09:17 !kw trunk 04:09:18 Keyword: trunk => alpha !experimental 04:09:33 !lg current trunk x=cv 04:09:34 No games for current (trunk). 04:09:38 !lg * current trunk x=cv 04:09:41 43697. [cv=0.20-a] pipboy2000 the Chopper (L4 MiBe of Trog), slain by a phantom on D:3 on 2016-11-21 09:07:20, with 105 points after 2139 turns and 0:02:50. 04:10:09 .splatratio 04:10:09 % of xl17 chars killed recentish: 6/41x gammafunk [14.63%] 04:10:14 long road back to <10% 04:10:24 .splatratio devteamnp 04:10:28 % of xl17 chars killed recentish: 1/38x elliptic [2.63%], 2/20x amalloy [10.00%], 7/42x gammafunk [16.67%], 2/8x doy [25.00%], 8/31x Brannock [25.81%], 12/44x Medar [27.27%], 6/19x MarvinPA [31.58%], 38/95x Lasty [40.00%], 12/28x dpeg [42.86%], 5/11x PleasingFungus [45.45%], 4/7x reaver [57.14%], 9/9x Neil [100.00%] 04:10:54 oh, that's not excluding my cwz shenanigens, but oh well 04:10:58 oh good I'm in good company 04:11:06 .splatratio rchandra 04:11:07 % of xl17 chars killed recentish: 3/20x rchandra [15.00%], 2/8x hyperrchandra [25.00%] 04:11:13 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 04:11:24 ...isn't the hyper account supposed to have a better winrate... 04:11:28 I started more hyper games this tournament than otherwise since 0.16 04:13:09 I think since those stupid zot deaths etc were clustered in 0.19-a 04:13:17 it gets worse as I go more recent 04:13:19 rchandra: Cool, hadn't realised that :) 04:14:00 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 04:14:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:23:43 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:33:33 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 04:35:07 @??floating eye 04:35:07 floating eye (00G) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 12-19 | AC/EV: 0/1 | see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(10), 12drown | XP: 142 | Sp: paralysis gaze [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 04:39:35 @??lich 04:39:35 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 64-95 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++ | XP: 2954 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), force lance (3d22), sum.greater demon, slow, invisibility / b.corrosive (3d23), crystal spear (3d40), petrify, haste / .. 04:39:42 @??draconian annihilator 04:39:43 red draconian annihilator (12q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 61-93 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | XP: 1488 | Sp: b.lightning (3d21), poison arrow (3d23), iron shot (3d29), crystal spear (3d35), blink | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 04:43:03 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:48:42 @??deep elf sorceror 04:48:42 unknown monster: "deep elf sorceror" 04:48:44 @??deep elf sorcerer 04:48:44 deep elf sorcerer (13e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 54-75 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 12 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | Vul: 08cleanse | XP: 1729 | Sp: b.corrosive (3d18), banishment, haste, hurl damnation (3d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 04:51:29 @??draconian high priest 04:51:29 unknown monster: "draconian high priest" 04:51:34 @??draconian zealot 04:51:34 red draconian zealot (09q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 64-92 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 15 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | Vul: 08cleanse | XP: 1607 | Sp: call down damnation (3d15) [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], sum.demon [11!AM], minor healing (2d8+3) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 04:51:51 @??draconian scorcher 04:51:52 red draconian scorcher (04q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 61-91 | AC/EV: 9/12 | Dam: 15 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | Vul: 08cleanse | XP: 1666 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), b.magma (3d25), fireball (3d26), hurl damnation (3d20), call down damnation (3d15) [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 04:52:11 @??deep elf high priest 04:52:11 deep elf high priest (09e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 40-56 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 14 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08cleanse, 11silver | XP: 1044 | Sp: a.brilliance [11!AM], call down damnation (3d15) [11!AM], malign offering (2d17) [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], twisted resurrection [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:47 @??executioner 05:00:47 Executioner (151) | Spd: 20 | HD: 12 | HP: 53-78 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 30, 10, 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++ | XP: 2310 | Sp: pain (d14) [06!sil], haste [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 05:13:47 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:25:07 https://shalott.org/graphs/b757853745bd7591946b74b1b9e3552ff446d156.html 05:25:09 :) 05:29:44 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:30:08 ??stasis 05:30:08 stasis[1/1]: Blocks teleport, blink, haste, slow, berserk, and paralysis. The amulet (removed in 0.18) will give you some (possibly yellow) {contam} and cancel the status if you put it on while hasted or slowed, or while waiting for teleport. Formicids have this as an intrinsic. 05:31:42 yeah, that graph shows how all the rejects we don't want get sent to cpo 05:31:58 just like what happened with australia.... 05:32:57 but you need to do regexp_replace(cv, "-a", "") 05:33:00 instead of just cv 05:36:30 !lg * cpo tall s=cv x=cdist(name) -graph 05:36:33 sheet 05:36:38 10234 games for * (cpo tall): https://shalott.org/graphs/b757853745bd7591946b74b1b9e3552ff446d156.html 05:36:47 !lg * cpo tall s=regexp_replace(cv, "-a", "") x=cdist(name) -graph 05:36:54 10234 games for * (cpo tall): https://shalott.org/graphs/14344ee455e2cdaf0e1a579f78090462284e6392.html 05:37:30 !lg * tall cv>=0.14-a s=regexp_replace(cv, "-a", "") x=cdist(name) -graph 05:37:48 474326 games for * (tall cv>=0.14-a): https://shalott.org/graphs/7ed3873ef22d9c8760588a35297b3ead2a271584.html 05:38:11 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38:41 !lg * tall cv>=0.14-a s=regexp_replace(cv, "-a", "") x=cdist(name) o=. -graph 05:38:59 474326 games for * (tall cv>=0.14-a): https://shalott.org/graphs/eafc36a1e38e9b3dfc3df50ea6480a2ab22095f5.html 05:39:12 !tstats 05:39:57 !cmd !tstats 05:39:57 Command: !tstats => .echo $(let (arg1 ${1:-16} arg2 ${*:-t}) (let (t (concat $arg2 " !@bot " end<$(+ (stamptime (!lg * $arg2 1 fmt:"$end")) $arg1))) "Stats after $arg1 days $(concat '(' $arg2 ')'): $(=tstats.players $t), $(=tstats.runers $t), $(=tstats.winners $t), $(=tstats.wins $t), $(=tstats.games $t), $(=tstats.winrate $t), $(=tstats.playertime $t).")) 05:40:09 Stats after 16 days (t): 3161 players, 1014 runers, 528 winners, 1423 wins, 79436 games, winrate 1.79%, total player time 4y+129d+16:51:11. 05:40:14 interesting 05:40:16 !lg !bot tall cv>=0.14-a s=regexp_replace(cv, "-a", "") x=cdist(name) o=. -graph 05:40:24 that overall tourneys dont grow much 05:40:28 !lg !bot !boring tall cv>=0.14-a s=regexp_replace(cv, "-a", "") x=cdist(name) o=. -graph 05:40:33 0.15/0.16 was a big release though 05:40:44 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 05:40:46 427175 games for bot (tall cv>=0.14-a): https://shalott.org/graphs/b62c81bb3d00e0c7ab9cadcd1584119457c2a215.html 05:41:15 391723 games for bot (!boring tall cv>=0.14-a): https://shalott.org/graphs/a14f3c0659473c144045a6e578ddbc37aa2cc5ca.html 05:41:18 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:41:29 there we go 05:41:32 matches tstats at least 05:42:23 it's probably easy to over-attribute tournament popularity with certain changes 05:42:38 -!- Idolo has quit [] 05:43:08 I think 0.15 was a bigger release compared to 0.14 than 0.16 to 0.15, but I'd have to go look at the changelog to even see 05:43:42 it might be better to look at playtime than anything 05:43:59 account names are created very cheaply, so if someone is ddoing something silly, that can influence stats 05:44:34 also there's the seasonal thing 05:44:40 !lg !bot !boring tall cv>=0.14-a s=regexp_replace(cv, "-a", "") x=sum(dur) o=. -graph 05:45:08 391723 games for bot (!boring tall cv>=0.14-a): https://shalott.org/graphs/486a1e852edee70cd66860fc63bfe0c5840de0e4.html 05:45:20 doh 05:45:29 the heck is this 05:45:42 !lg !bot !boring t x=sum(dur) 05:45:51 yeah i dont think popularity is very closely correlated with tourney popularity 05:45:55 79436 games for bot (!boring t): sum(dur)=4y+129d+16:51:11 05:45:55 more likely news articles and such 05:46:10 oh...it's in years. 05:46:10 i imagine game quality has a slower impact over multiple versions 05:49:10 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:55:13 !lg !bot !boring t x=seconds_interval(dur) 05:55:27 79436. [seconds_interval(dur)=0:00:48] razzle the Chopper (L3 MiBe of Trog), blasted by Sigmund (magic dart) on D:2 on 2016-11-20 19:59:44, with 63 points after 775 turns and 0:00:48. 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:53 i think i have the conduct for W mostly working now 06:04:58 now to make it fun 06:05:17 so far you get bonus EV for staying near your soul, but passive bonuses aren't super exciting 06:06:32 chequers what do you think of what I brought up in the thread? mesmerising yourself towards your soul and moving your soul instead of yourself with the pivot, that is 06:07:00 I know it's a completely different direction, but I'd like to hear your opinion on what the two models would bring 06:09:24 tbh i haven't really thought about the actives twelwe talked about yet 06:09:26 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:09:39 i like the idea of the conduct, and I wanted to implement it 06:11:01 mesm towards the soul has one big advantage: it's always clear what your mesm target will be 06:11:22 however, my normal playstyle is leading me to mostly be fighitng in front of my soul. since you see an enemy and then tab a few steps towards them 06:12:41 perhaps fear around the soul instead? 06:15:27 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:04 !cmd !winssincegodwon .echo $(join ", " (map (fn (x) (join ": " (list $x (!gameswonsince ${1:-.} $* god=$x won)))) (split ",_" (replace " " "_" (!lg ${1:-.} $* won playable s=god x=max(end) o=-max(end) fmt:"${.}" stub:""))))) 06:18:05 oh it's just slow 06:18:05 Redefined command: !winssincegodwon => .echo $(join ", " (map (fn (x) (join ": " (list $x (!gameswonsince ${1:-.} $* god=$x won)))) (split ",_" (replace " " "_" (!lg ${1:-.} $* won playable s=god x=max(end) o=-max(end) fmt:"${.}" stub:""))))) 06:18:05 doh 06:18:05 !winssincegodwon 06:18:36 The_Shining_One: 63, Elyvilon: 35, Ru: 30, Beogh: 28, Vehumet: 27, Lugonu: 25, Okawaru: 24, Jiyva: 23, Nemelex_Xobeh: 22, Kikubaaqudgha: 20, Qazlal: 19, : 18, Yredelemnul: 17, Gozag: 16, Ashenzari: 2, Cheibriados: 14, Pakellas: 13, Dithmenos: 12, Trog: 11, Zin: 9, Fedhas: 8, Sif_Muna: 4, Makhleb: 3, Uskayaw: 1, Xom: 0 06:18:57 <|amethyst> !winssincegodwon 06:18:57 Qazlal: 0 06:18:57 lol 06:19:27 <|amethyst> oh, there's a "playable" in there 06:19:33 yeah 06:19:46 <|amethyst> !lg . won / playable 06:19:48 1/3 games for |amethyst (won): N=1/3 (33.33%) 06:20:01 it was copies from the winssinceracewon and winssinceclasswon commands 06:20:05 <|amethyst> My poor SpSt and HoHe :) 06:20:25 I guess it probably doesn't need those 06:20:33 er that 06:20:40 for race/class that's important 06:20:59 !cmd !gameswonsince 06:20:59 Command: !gameswonsince => !lg ${1:-.} won rend>$(!lg ${1:-.} $* fmt:"$end" stub:"error") fmt:"$n" stub:"0" 06:21:16 !cmd !winssincegodwon .echo $(join ", " (map (fn (x) (join ": " (list $x (!gameswonsince ${1:-.} $* god=$x won)))) (split ",_" (replace " " "_" (!lg ${1:-.} $* won s=god x=max(end) o=-max(end) fmt:"${.}" stub:""))))) 06:21:16 Redefined command: !winssincegodwon => .echo $(join ", " (map (fn (x) (join ": " (list $x (!gameswonsince ${1:-.} $* god=$x won)))) (split ",_" (replace " " "_" (!lg ${1:-.} $* won s=god x=max(end) o=-max(end) fmt:"${.}" stub:""))))) 06:21:24 !winssincegodwon |amethyst 06:21:29 Kikubaaqudgha: 2, Elyvilon: 1, Qazlal: 0 06:22:21 chequers: It's just... On a first read I have a hard time seeing the incentive to move at all. Sounds like I'd play it like I play Chei 06:23:06 I thought that having an incentive to be a bit further away from your soul (even if it's implicit, i.e. the ability to rubberband to it quickly) could be fun 06:24:23 yeah, I don't think it's bad to have little incentive to move, and I think the current design encourages it 06:24:38 but if this is meant to be the 'tloc god', it should encourage more movement 06:25:07 i like bad blink a lot 06:25:19 there were a couple of powers from wuldraste that i wanted to try as well 06:55:17 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:57:22 Yermak: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/403 06:57:28 Yermak: good thread 06:57:47 Yeah, working on mantis bug reports now. 06:58:01 or github! 06:58:10 Would you post Fedhas part there as a bug, for example? 06:59:02 It's more like a problem, as well as Qazlal's resting near plants. 06:59:33 hm 06:59:58 #2 I would 07:00:09 New branch created: pull/403 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/403 07:00:09 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/403 * 0.20-a0-151-g725ed37: Don't create Qaz clouds over firewood 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/725ed3736d88 07:00:11 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:11 #3 too 07:00:11 #1 is more grey 07:01:44 Did you right away discard the option of not interrupting your rest when plants being destroyed? 07:02:55 no, it was just harder to implement, because i'm not familiar with the code that manages resting 07:03:15 it might be a better solution overall, although I don't like how much log spam is generated 07:04:41 ok, there's two PRs for the simple issues I know about 07:05:18 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/403 * 0.20-a0-151-g029b387: Don't create Qaz clouds over firewood (Yermak) 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/029b387568e5 07:05:18 New branch created: pull/404 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/404 07:05:18 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/404 * 0.20-a0-151-gf9b8a24: Mark Passage of Golubria useless with Orb (Yermak) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f9b8a24e8122 07:05:20 for your feature request about seeing what's beneath the player, does ';' work? 07:05:46 Darn, so simple, thank you! 07:06:26 it doesn't completely work. it sometimes picks up auto-pickup items when in combat 07:07:21 Hmm, indeed 07:08:01 Well, turning off autopickup and using ';' is still a lot better than going through ctrl-x list. 07:08:19 ha i never thought ctrl-a ; 07:12:01 in 'Why isn't it symmectrical' -- is the difference between aiming left and right, or between aiming over plants vs not doing so? 07:12:33 desolation of salt cloud code is being worked on by PF btw 07:12:50 Firestormer's nuisance also applies to butterflies 07:15:06 plants vs empty space 07:15:36 New branch created: pull/405 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/405 07:15:36 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/405 * 0.20-a0-151-gdb05e52: Buff !cancellation (Yermak) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/db05e52e1ef0 07:17:34 probably the right way to deal with firestormer's nuisance is to not prompt for certain sorts of allies. vortexes, butterflies, hep ancestor, dguardian, ... 07:17:44 i'm not sure where the code is though 07:19:05 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:59 Hmm, I would keep the warning for the ancestor and the guardian. 07:21:41 You don't have more than one at once and you will actually regret damaging or killing them. 07:22:22 <|amethyst> dguardian shouldn't be an issue because you shoot through those 07:22:31 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:22:36 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:23:18 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:24:07 so if you firestorm a dguardian they wont take damage? 07:37:02 -!- CrawlWall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:40:02 -!- Gressup__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:43 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 07:43:06 !source random2avg 07:43:07 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/random.cc#L392 07:46:54 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:47:04 chequers: isn't yellow contam 5000? 07:47:10 !source get_contamination_level 07:47:11 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L4135 07:56:28 I'm not sure removing all chance for it to leave you in yellow is good idea 07:56:52 it's a bit weird how cancel works with contam compared to how it works for other things 07:57:14 I guess you could argue that it should drop you down "one level" 07:58:00 but this changes makes it so that it will always from take you from yellow to not-yellow 07:58:05 yet it doesn't do this for the higher states 07:58:22 so maybe it would be better to simply use random2avg 07:58:26 with 2 die 07:59:01 don't know what this will look like: http://anydice.com/program/9e34 07:59:18 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:28 graph of at most or at least 07:59:42 I might be forgetting how contam works wrt these levels though 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:03 you can get mutated if glow is > 3500? 08:00:23 oh sorry, > 5000 08:00:26 5000 yeah 08:00:49 oh, so 08:01:13 as it stands you have to be at glow 6001 08:01:27 to use cancel at yellow and still be yellow 08:02:03 guess you have to choose some reasonable value of "yellow" here 08:02:14 say 10000 08:02:30 Right now you can use cancel trice startign from yellow and still be on yellow. 08:02:52 yeah because yellow covers a really big range 08:02:58 given what contam can remove 08:07:29 I wonder if it would be better to try something like halving your current glow 08:07:33 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:08:23 the rest of cancelation is entirely predictable, after all 08:08:47 I think if you're corr(-400) it just removes it all 08:09:29 yep 08:09:45 cancel removes corr? how I have not realized that... 08:09:49 yeah 08:10:23 I updated this the other day btw: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Magic_contamination 08:10:33 has most of the numbers (hopefully correct) 08:11:33 ...wow, references sections? 08:12:19 are we trying to make this wiki nethack wiki legit? 08:12:33 :P 08:12:57 the only problem with this...every release people have to go and updated these source links? 08:13:12 since I image at least half will change 08:13:16 well, they can just check the numbers and not update the source links 08:13:39 I guess nethack just benefited from having no development for a long time, and they'll have the same problem now 08:13:42 links to the tag 08:13:53 crossborder (L9 HOMo) ASSERT(verb_index < (int)ARRAYSZ(attack_types)) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2068 failed. (D:6) 08:14:12 !crash 08:14:13 15727. crossborder, XL9 HOMo, T:6770 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/crossborder/crash-crossborder-20161121-131353.txt 08:17:07 crossborder (L9 HOMo) ASSERT(verb_index < (int)ARRAYSZ(attack_types)) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2068 failed. (D:6) 08:17:28 Fan of gales is still on autopickup after Xom gifted one 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10795 by Yermak 08:17:28 While in Zot, D:4 was displayed when several messages came in a single turn 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10794 by Yermak 08:17:28 Weird Abyss scenery change leaves you standing in the rock wall sticking out of a lake 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10793 by Yermak 08:18:03 I can recreate that crash 08:18:04 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:11 vehumet_statue and you xv the statue 08:18:30 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:49 !tell PleasingFungus crossborder's crash possibly due to some of your changes in mon-util? to reproduce, place vehumet_statue and xv the charred statue 08:20:50 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:22:37 Don't pick up books with useless/forbidden spells 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10810 by Yermak 08:22:37 Chain of allies following the player through stairs isn't pulled properly 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10809 by Yermak 08:22:37 Plants affect firing trajectory 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10808 by Yermak 08:22:37 Some slugs in kennysheep_slugbush vault are placed on deep water 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10807 by Yermak 08:22:37 Tabbing fail 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10806 by Yermak 08:22:37 Webtiles: iron imps are easily confused with skeletons on the ground 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10805 by Yermak 08:22:37 shift-F uses wrong targeter while PProj is on 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10804 by Yermak 08:22:37 Large monsters don't get movement penalty in shallow water 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10803 by Yermak 08:22:37 Hitting a wall with shift-X map travel causes weird result 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10802 by Yermak 08:22:37 Allies ignoring player being under attack 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10801 by Yermak 08:22:37 Webtiles: known books out of LoS are shown on autopickup upon loading the game. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10800 by Yermak 08:22:37 Different menus for spells in book on the ground and in inventory 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10799 by Yermak 08:22:37 Redundant prompt when targeting a monster with worthless ally behind it 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10798 by Yermak 08:22:37 Missing prompt when casting pain with you skeleton on the line of fire. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10797 by Yermak 08:22:37 Redundant prompt for Fireball without targets 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10796 by Yermak 08:25:52 gammafunk: yes, that's an issue with the nethack wiki. although it has also version tagged pages (like "version agnostic", "version 3.4.3", "needs to be checked for next_version") 08:26:22 and the different versions have their own source pages 08:38:15 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:51:28 -!- chcl3 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:57:41 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:58:41 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:34 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:37 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:40 -!- jfcaron has quit [Quit: jfcaron] 09:27:10 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:28:49 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:31:48 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:10 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 09:38:45 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:10 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:30 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:43 Why was the mercenary card removed in 0.19? Just wondering 09:41:06 ??hep 09:41:06 hepliaklqana[1/4]: God of ancestral memory. Grants a powerful, customizable permanent ancestor, which will be automatically revived if slain (after a few dozen turns). Likes exploration. 0*: ally & recall, 2*: {Remember Life}, 3*: {Transference}, 4*: {Idealise}, 5*: Transference-drain 09:48:12 -!- sneakyness has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48:42 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:45 -!- Patashu__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:13 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:33:11 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:57 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:46:09 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:15 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:48:57 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:08 I should make a crawl-solarized-light color rc 10:53:08 ebering: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:53:12 !messages 10:53:12 (1/1) twelwe said (8h 38m 55s ago): do your thesis on .99=1 10:53:31 !tell twelwe that's not true though you need some more nines its like .999999999=1 10:53:31 ebering: OK, I'll let twelwe know. 10:53:36 i`m serious btw 10:53:36 twelwe: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:54:13 its a great idea to grad college. now i never did it but love to give idea for all the new grads out there 10:59:18 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:08 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:49 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:05:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:10 morning chat vibes 11:10:12 -!- chcl3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:19:51 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:23:57 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:28:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:30:07 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:38:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:41:07 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:48:27 -!- Kenran has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:54 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:53:53 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:09 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:05 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:03:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:20 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:38 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:16:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:17:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:57 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:24:01 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:24:47 Crash on load into Desolation of Salt 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10811 by Sallayen 12:26:11 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409 (34) 12:26:58 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:14 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:29:27 -!- Kranix has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:23 -!- chcl3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:56 -!- Kranix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:42 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:39 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:39 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:39 -!- ZiBuDo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:48 -!- protopulse has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:40 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:40 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:47 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:49 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:36 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:56 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:06:52 you know what would be cool? if maxwell's etheric cage were beneficial to wear 13:08:27 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:09:31 -!- charly_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:10:33 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:15:10 -!- Kranix has quit [Client Quit] 13:19:34 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:34 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:57 -!- ZiBuDo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:20 -!- ZiBuDo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:19 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:34 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:27:54 -!- HarryHood has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:18 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:33:19 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:34:06 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:35:21 -!- chcl3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:34 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:04 did something happen with console colours in trunk? it's blue instead of gray for me 13:38:39 -!- chcl3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:44 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:39:19 -!- HarryHood has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:29 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:43:36 ldf_: yes 13:43:40 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Client Quit] 13:45:29 and what is the best way to return them back? 13:50:02 wait for someone to push a bugfix, probably 13:50:02 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:50:30 !crashlog crossborder 13:50:31 2. crossborder, XL9 HOMo, T:6767 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/crossborder/crash-crossborder-20161121-131706.txt 13:50:45 ldf_: which terminal are you using? 13:56:57 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:07 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 14:11:36 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:02 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:24 -!- tw has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:16:29 -!- nezrel has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:20:15 hm 14:20:30 why do obsidian statues apparently have a 20-damage attack, despite having no attack in mon-data? 14:22:35 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:39 does it default to something? 14:27:40 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:28:13 !tell chequers you reported that a couple months ago and I couldn't reproduce it 14:28:14 Brannock: OK, I'll let chequers know. 14:28:26 !tell chequers still can't reproduce it 14:28:26 Brannock: OK, I'll let chequers know. 14:28:53 mons_attack_spec() doesn't seem to have anything relevant 14:30:04 apparently according to what? 14:30:10 obsidian statue (068) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 56-82 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living, evil, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 671 | Sp: sum.minor demon [06!sil], sum.demon [06!sil], mesmerise [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 14:30:10 %??obsidian statue 14:31:17 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:32:26 MarvinPA: mon-info 14:34:32 i don't see it in-game, unless there's something else stopping it from displaying? 14:34:49 ? 14:34:51 on xv? 14:34:55 yeah 14:35:05 hrm 14:35:08 also this darkblue thing is not good 14:35:14 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:32 darkblue thing? 14:35:40 right now xv crashes the game for me on obsidian statue until i tweak mon_attack_name() 14:35:45 at which point it displays a 20-damage hit 14:35:58 i'm up-to-date i think 14:35:59 %git 14:35:59 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.20-a0-150-g0ef8409: Brutally nerf Confusing Touch/fungus form 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0ef840951156 14:36:01 yeah 14:36:13 Brannock: did something happen with console colours in trunk? it's blue instead of gray for me 14:36:32 side effect of that console colors PR that went up, mabye? 14:36:39 i believe so 14:36:58 that's baffling 14:38:26 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:41:33 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:41:58 PleasingFungus: darkgrey-on-black being rendered as blue-on-black by default is intended, but jarring 14:43:53 hm 14:43:55 !learn add putty Lost darkgrey and want it back? In your PuTTY session, make sure 'Window->Colours->Allow terminal to use xterm 256-colour mode' is checked and set 'Connection->Data->Terminal-type' to putty-256color. In your crawl rc, add 'allow_extended_colours=true' and 'no_dark_brand=false' (no quotes). 14:43:56 putty[5/5]: Lost darkgrey and want it back? In your PuTTY session, make sure 'Window->Colours->Allow terminal to use xterm 256-colour mode' is checked and set 'Connection->Data->Terminal-type' to putty-256color. In your crawl rc, add 'allow_extended_colours=true' and 'no_dark_brand=false' (no quotes). 14:45:27 it should probably not become not-intended again imo 14:46:36 darkblue tends to be really illegible by default in putty at least 14:47:10 hm, just tried out the change. it's a little weird for text, but it makes LOS radius on the map way easier to read 14:47:19 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:35 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:16 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:49:33 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:52:00 -!- Shinino_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:52:44 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:52:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:53:42 MarvinPA: back to darkgrey completely, or some other failsafe color? 14:56:04 does darkgrey cause major issues otherwise? it feels like the default should be something more readable, assuming these changes were to make the defaults better for people who don't mess with this kind of thing 14:56:11 i didn't follow the PR really 14:58:33 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:59:03 well, putty didn't brighten bold colors by default for a good year and a half and users are still filing bugs on crawl's tracker for invisible characters 14:59:09 MarvinPA: the default colour settings for putty cause darkgrey-on-black to render as black 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:24 %bug 10744 15:01:24 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10744 15:01:26 huh, they do? i don't remember that happening when i used putty ages, don't think i had messed with those options 15:01:30 maybe i'm misremembering 15:01:37 ages ago* 15:02:06 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:43 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/wishlist/bold-font-default.html 15:04:16 ah ok, i guess my putty setup predated that probably 15:06:04 MarvinPA: anyway, you can examine obsidian statues even after building the latest trunk? 15:07:43 MarvinPA: yeah, the change of defaults is mainly for new users -- if they connect with a basic/buggy terminal, they at least get a chance of something playable to start with 15:08:50 PleasingFungus: sorry yeah, got sidetracked - no crash here, it just displays normally as far as i can tell 15:08:59 oh, this is debug mode though, that could be relevant? 15:09:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 15:09:51 mine is too 15:09:55 oh 15:09:55 you're in console, i assume 15:09:58 yeah 15:10:02 though i can't imagine why that'd be relevant 15:10:11 i'll try a console build just to test 15:10:19 very mysterious... 15:13:20 15:14:59 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:15:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:14 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:10 -!- insecticide18 has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 15:27:03 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:44 -!- nikitamog has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:37 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:16 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:39:26 seen on reddit: 15:39:27 "What kind of melee fighter can afford to play without a shield?" 15:39:33 "Troll with GSC and GDA is a good one." 15:41:03 ok 15:45:29 did you report them for rule violation 15:45:49 nope 15:46:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.0/20161104212021]] 15:48:59 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:52:16 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:53:37 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:54 -!- can-of-b1es has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:06:42 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:27 !tell johnny0 i'm using putty and your advice helped, thank you! 16:08:28 ldf: OK, I'll let johnny0 know. 16:12:32 Brannock: weird. i dont think my rc has anything unusual 16:12:41 but i just ran into the vault in a game and got a doubled prompt 16:14:20 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:21:32 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:25:03 <|amethyst> Does this change mean we should avoid putting monsters on blue as well? 16:25:14 -!- paulr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:17 <|amethyst> like we currently avoid putting them on darkgrey 16:28:29 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:29:31 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 16:30:46 -!- danielguo94 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:31:17 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:33:52 -!- glaas has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 16:38:14 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:19 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:41:50 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:43:23 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:43:48 -!- fearitself has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:45:35 -!- Patashu__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:48:02 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 16:48:15 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:01 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:50:06 03|amethyst02 07* 0.20-a0-151-g755e310: Remove tournament reminder. 10(53 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/755e310cadcf 16:53:33 Bekkur (L14 DsGl) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2209 failed. (Lair:6) 16:54:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:55:21 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:55:57 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:03 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 16:59:56 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:21 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:30 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:01:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:02:00 -!- Bammboo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:49 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-151-g755e310 (34) 17:11:44 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:13:07 -!- Bammboo00 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:38 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:42 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:08 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:23:49 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:16 -!- danielguo94 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:27:35 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:29:26 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:29:55 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:32:45 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:33:59 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:46 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:41:55 -!- nikitamog has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:33 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:45 johnny0: another problem with blue used for out-of-los is that there are blue walls and blue floors in crawl 17:52:29 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:41 and blue uniques and gods 18:01:35 @??bai suzhen 18:01:35 Bai Suzhen (12d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 158-209 | AC/EV: 14/8 | Dam: 24, 14 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison | Vul: 11silver | XP: 5328 | Sp: sum.hydra | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:01:39 invisible dragons 18:03:38 -!- jfcaron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:03:38 -!- jfcaron_ is now known as jfcaron 18:03:54 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:06:37 -!- jfcaron has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:58 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:05 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus 18:14:12 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:15:09 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:36 council God sounds pretty interesting 18:15:52 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:16:02 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.20-a0-151-g755e310 (34) 18:16:05 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:10 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:20:59 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:21 -!- Xiberia has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:25:16 gammafunk: yeah, there are floors and walls for every other basic color too :/ blue just seemed like the least-awful choice to remap to 18:29:33 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:31:33 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/19b4cc5275d111dcd8fbaa7d29b0749bc3b53e43/crawl-ref/source/libunix.cc#L1157-L1163 seems rather silly, since regardless of that if clause line 1164 is about to run and overwrite the result that was decided on 18:32:11 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:33:05 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:30 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:15 how did you generate the spanning highlight? 18:39:17 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:41:13 amalloy: ahh yes and the case below it too 18:42:06 chequers: hold shift for the second click 18:42:27 as you would on like a filechooser UI 18:42:43 nice 18:43:00 !learn edit tournament s/will run/ran/ 18:43:00 Use: !learn edit tournament[NUM] s/// 18:43:04 !learn edit tournament[1] s/will run/ran/ 18:43:05 tournament[1/6]: The 0.19 tournament ran from 20:00 UTC Friday 4 Nov 2016 to 20:00 UTC Sunday 20 Nov 2016. Tournament home page: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.19/ 18:44:52 amalloy: i'm not sure if the second assignments were left in by accident or while debugging, but they should definitely be axed 18:47:27 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 18:52:17 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:57:30 -!- Hakkniv has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:59:19 -!- frd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:16 |amethyst: i don't know, but I'd lean towards no with a disclaimer mentioning how "console crawl is best viewed through a fully-functional 16-color terminal." 19:06:41 amalloy_: i noticed some things i need to fix in options_guide.txt as well (placing the option names in the ToC, a color->colour fix); i'll throw together another pull request with the fixes tomorrow 19:07:41 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:08:41 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13:39 -!- Xiberia has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:17:00 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:19:03 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:22:04 ??stoneskin 19:22:04 stoneskin[1/2]: 8+2d(power) turns of +(2 + pow/20) AC. Incompatible with Ozo's, Cigotuvi's, being undead, and all transforms except Statue Form and Blade Hands. Sorry, Crawl doesn't want you to have much AC. However, unlike Ozocubu's Armour, Stoneskin will work with heavy armour. Removed in 0.18. 19:22:31 ??condensation shield 19:22:31 condensation shield[1/2]: Creates a shield that doesn't require a hand to wield (can be used with two-handed weapons, but not with a real shield). Melts when hit by fire. Stacks with the {helm card} and TSO's divine shield. SH granted is 4 + pow*3/40. Removed in 0.18. 19:22:37 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:33:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:34:00 ??ignite blood 19:34:01 ignite blood[1/1]: Passively causes all blood spilled in your LOS to burst into flames (and have a flame cloud placed on top of it), makes more blood get spilled in the first place, and also provides immunity to flame clouds. Alternative to Hellfire as the third level of the Demonspawn fire facet, being tier 2 rather than tier 3. 19:34:17 !learn edit ignite_blood[1] s/ Alternative.*// 19:34:17 ignite blood[1/1]: Passively causes all blood spilled in your LOS to burst into flames (and have a flame cloud placed on top of it), makes more blood get spilled in the first place, and also provides immunity to flame clouds. 19:34:29 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:07 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:37:56 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Use your powers wisely. 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:22 I wasn't able to trivially hook up the council god PR to the cbro update process. but I see that someone else has created a councilgod branch 21:03:24 I will hook up the experimental to that branch. if we need to update, we will have to have a dev manually keep the branch updated. right now, looks like the branch councilgod is synced with the PR 21:03:37 shoudln't be a problem 21:03:44 it's a bit clunky 21:03:47 and less elegant 21:04:01 if I didn't have other stuff to do, I'd actually love digging into it 21:04:34 amalloy: ? 21:12:58 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:15:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:18:15 Experimental (councilgod) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-191-g0795697 21:18:52 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:48:11 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:48:29 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:11 -!- MadCoyote is now known as FunkyBomb 21:52:13 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:38 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 21:57:28 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:41 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:53 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:17 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:48 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:05 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:06 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:13:46 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:36 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:15:27 !tell SteelNeuron ok, council god is up on cbro. I didn't get the auto-PR figured out and don't really have time to dig in, so you'll have to bug a dev to keep the councilgod branch up to date when you update. 22:15:28 johnstein: OK, I'll let steelneuron know. 22:16:35 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:26 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:21:42 !tell gammafunk council-god meta files available and PR on github for sequell. 22:21:43 johnstein: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 22:22:24 !tell kramin we should discuss whether the Kramell experiment was a success. if so, you may need to add more files to your list (i.e. experimentals and trunk). 22:22:25 johnstein: OK, I'll let kramin know. 22:23:06 -!- ManMan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:24:51 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:26:02 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:35 nice 22:32:49 sure johnstein 22:32:49 kramin: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:32:51 so 22:32:56 was it a success? 22:33:29 (imo yes) 22:33:58 would be good to post again in that tavern thread 22:34:12 but seems like it's ok 22:34:23 ??sequell[git 22:34:23 sequell[1/4]: The ##crawl bot, handling game statistics, the {learndb}, and more. Operated by greensnark. See http://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md If you want the source, go here: http://github.com/crawl/sequell 22:34:50 kramin: https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/config/sources.yml 22:35:53 might want to add the council God one. also. wonder if it's easy for you to annotate the announcement with the version or experimental (along with the server). worried it will be too verbose 22:36:19 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:37:29 -!- Bammboo00 is now known as Bammboo 22:38:49 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:40:24 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:42:29 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:06 chequers: what's the plan with the survey now that t is over? 22:43:06 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:43:17 i was just about to ask you something else! 22:43:41 about moon trolls? 22:43:57 but with the survey, I guess we 1) pick a date 2) advertise the survey on blog/reddit/servers/ingame on that date, 3) for x days, 4) close the survey 5) write up some findings 22:44:05 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:44:13 well the issue was how does it get shown to offline users 22:44:14 I think what got us stuck last time was the ingame notification 22:44:18 yeah 22:44:58 maybe for offline users, putting something in the app is too hard, and also if everyone visits the website to download it, a banner on the download page may be sufficient 22:45:21 -!- Cerpin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:59 that is true 22:46:23 chequers: could do some kind of popup when they download it? 22:46:35 I guess just a message near the top is also sufficient 22:46:48 maybe a lot less annoying as well 22:46:56 johnstein: I have server and version number already, could maybe add something 22:46:56 kramin: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:47:15 oh, you have a message 22:47:18 I wonder what it was 22:48:13 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:14 we'll never know 22:48:42 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 22:57:11 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Tavern thread: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21725 Github PR: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/387 23:12:35 council god[1/1]: New experimental playable on CBRO. Tavern thread: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21725 Github PR: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/387 23:12:57 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 23:17:06 n1k probaby doesnt even know about wundvrond new god 23:17:15 twelwe, tell me 23:17:52 here you go https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22158 23:18:05 thank 23:18:05 you can play it in australia 23:18:33 wow this already sounds pretty sick 23:18:58 even better: only the bad parts work 23:22:06 this is just the australian version though 23:24:07 hi guys, I commented on https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/400 with a test build that definitely calls clock_gettime in main. If we can confirm that that build doesn’t crash on launch in 10.7-10.11 that would be very good evidence that Apple finally got their SDK house in order re this particular issue. 23:24:09 well not just the bad parts, the evasion works & owns 23:24:22 if it crashes on launch then, well, clock_gettime is still borked. 23:24:37 http://aaronegolden.com/DCSS-DefinitelyCallsClockGetTime.zip 23:27:53 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:29:05 amalloy_: can you try the binary above? I think you said you're on 10.11? 23:29:13 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:29:34 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:54 -!- jfcaron has quit [Quit: jfcaron] 23:37:33 -!- ogaz has quit [Client Quit] 23:45:32 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:46:24 -!- adelrune has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:49:11 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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