00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:42 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.20-a0-45-gb3e417c (34) 00:01:42 !tell marvinpa would you consider it undue Power Creep if vampire corpse-drinking was changed to be a single-turn action instead of a delay? 00:01:43 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 00:02:35 Stable (0.19) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19.0-19-g8c6edcc 00:08:59 -!- sneakyness has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 00:09:14 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:10 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19.0-19-g8c6edcc 00:12:55 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:15:19 does corpse drinking even heal you anymore 00:15:24 murtidash (L24 TrMo) ASSERT(food.base_type == OBJ_FOOD || food.base_type == OBJ_CORPSES) in 'food.cc' at line 1020 failed. (Depths:2) 00:15:26 i know mp from elf corpses is gone 00:16:03 -!- murtidash has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:17 ??rare_messages 00:16:17 rare messages[1/27]: You're already berserk! 00:16:31 minmay: no, tragically 00:16:41 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:16:46 there is, however, code for xom to be amused if a monster animates the corpse that you're draining 00:17:36 heya, any dev around who wants to grab my save and get some info? have a reproducible crash bug (not entirely sure on what is causing it but can trigger it at will) in my save on berotato 00:17:46 -!- zxc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:18:01 murtidash: 00:18:03 %git 00:18:03 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.20-a0-45-gb3e417c: Fix an @e1 crash (Murtidash, |amethyst) 10(24 minutes ago, 4 files, 12+ 22-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b3e417c81bce 00:18:10 cool 00:18:17 i think beartato updates soon 00:18:31 i'll force a rebuild just to be safe 00:18:47 murtidash: we did see your crash messages. good bug! i hope you abused it while you had the chance 00:18:51 -!- zxc has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:19:16 the only time i abused it annoyed the hell out of me 00:19:24 i had cleared most of vault 5 and crashed it 00:19:28 :P 00:19:31 is it really abuse if the devs invite it? 00:19:46 had to redo my entire vault 5 clear heh 00:20:00 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.20-a0-45-gb3e417c (34) 00:20:12 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:29 but yea, wanted to just make sure that it got fixed :) 00:22:56 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 00:23:16 also i think it's incredibly badass that my username is in a crawl commit description now :P 00:23:41 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:23:46 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:24:03 :) 00:24:09 &rc murtidash 00:24:10 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.19/murtidash.rc 00:24:23 what exactly were you inscribing? 00:25:00 bread rations 00:25:03 i use a modified HDA 00:25:14 which autoinscribes bread and meat rations 00:25:16 bread rations shouldn't crash though 00:25:29 oh, it does though 00:25:31 because i'm a troll 00:25:33 who can't eat bread 00:25:41 hrm 00:25:41 which makes sense based on what i saw in the commit 00:25:43 no 00:25:46 huh, that shouldn't have triggered *that* crash 00:25:46 that wouldn't cause that crash 00:25:49 oh 00:25:50 geekosaur: o/ 00:26:10 it's something that canb't possibly be food that triggers that assert, not something your species can't eat 00:26:31 i wonder if a fixed a different bug 00:26:33 * geekosaur was looking for e.g. something autoinscribing ambrosia, which is a potion instead of food tbese days 00:26:34 *if I 00:26:57 oh, that's odd 00:27:00 it didn't happen earlier in the game, when i can make it happen 00:27:01 that does hit the code block i inserted 00:27:02 i have 25 bread rations 00:27:03 what on earth 00:28:42 that's weird 00:29:04 bread rations can't change their type to not OBJ_FOOD just because a troll is playing, can they? 00:29:05 investigating 00:29:09 i wouldn't think so... 00:29:10 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:13 if i make a new troll though 00:29:15 i'm wondering if it's a recursive call 00:29:17 who has bread rations 00:29:18 it doesn't happen 00:29:36 at least on akrasiac 00:29:40 not sure if that already has the patch or not 00:30:04 shouldn't 00:30:07 -!- ees has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:30:15 have the patch 00:30:22 no rebuilds were forced and akrasiac will be a bit yet before it rebuilds normally 00:30:33 why i was saying i wasn't exactly sure about steps to repro or cause 00:31:04 i can trigger it by e1, but i'm not sure what about the game is setting that state to let it crash 00:32:09 trolls aren't saprovores though 00:32:12 so it's not that 00:32:18 I don't see recursion going on 00:33:15 there's a recursive call somewhere involving chunks 00:33:17 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:31 uh 00:33:33 how you would get bread rations from chunks or vice versa, though 00:33:41 oh, i had two things labeled @e1 00:33:43 oops 00:33:43 if you do somehow hit it again, I think we'd like a save backup 00:33:56 yeah, i'm not hitting it now 00:33:59 rip 00:34:11 e2 for my guy causes a crash too 00:34:12 murtidash (L24 TrMo) ASSERT(food.base_type == OBJ_FOOD || food.base_type == OBJ_CORPSES) in 'food.cc' at line 1020 failed. (Depths:2) 00:34:14 which is a meat ration 00:34:16 (I shouldn't say "we", I help out but am not a dev and would not have access) 00:34:22 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19.0-19-g8c6edcc 00:34:49 just in time for it to make the crash be for the wrong version x.x 00:35:33 i'm of ashenzari and fully bound using unarmed (can't imagine that there's a correlation with that) 00:38:54 wait 00:39:06 so i just dropped my bread and picked it up 00:39:07 and it didn't crash 00:39:21 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:39:26 and now if i e1 i get the message 00:39:27 -!- digitcruncher has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39:29 That's not food! 00:39:48 right, that replaced the crash 00:40:03 cbro just updated right after your most recent crash 00:40:07 so it has to do with the letter that the item is in 00:40:09 if it's J 00:40:25 if it's a and i e1 00:40:26 it works 00:40:29 if it's J and i e1 00:40:31 i get the error message 00:40:41 hoooo boy 00:41:09 hrm 00:41:14 can you hit # for me? 00:41:21 done 00:41:25 &dump murtidash 00:41:26 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/murtidash/murtidash.txt 00:41:42 Y - a scroll of vulnerability {!r!r} 00:41:51 on akrasiac if i just =i b J it doesn't crash 00:41:54 this is a very powerful rcfile 00:42:23 now I wonder if there's some key remapping going on 00:43:10 murtidash: when you say it 'works' if the bread is in slot 'a' and you hit e1, what do you mean? you can't eat it, right? 00:43:16 no, it eats just fine 00:43:20 if it's in J it doesn't et 00:43:39 trolls aren't saprovores, i was wrong in that thought. they can eat bread just fine 00:44:01 if i type '=i J a' and then 'e 1' it eats a bread 00:44:14 if i then '=i a J' then 'e 1' it throws the error message 00:44:46 J - 25 bread rations {@e1} a - 25 bread rations {@e1}; J - a potion of haste _You start eating one of the 25 bread rations {@e1}. _You continue eating. x2 You finish eating. That bread ration really hit the spot! a - 24 bread rations {@e1} J - 24 bread rations {@e1}; a - a potion of haste That's not food! 00:46:16 i think you might get reduced nutrition for bread 00:46:27 crawl's dietary system used to be very very elaborate. 00:46:45 were you around when you could get dietary restrictions as random muts? 00:47:03 i was a total scrub then, i vaguely remember it 00:47:51 i remember carefully balancing bread & meat consumption so i'd have something to eat no matter what muts i got 00:48:07 conspiracy: '1' is a lot closer to 'a' than it is to 'j', in hex 00:48:30 like they are the same mod 0x30? 00:48:40 J, not j 00:48:44 j works 00:48:56 A works 00:49:36 murtidash: can you try copying your rcfile somewhere and then wiping it out and seeing if you get the issue? 00:49:44 F to G 00:49:46 *if you still have the issue 00:49:53 is what causes the issue 00:50:21 if my bread is on [a-zA-F] it works [G-Z] it fails 00:50:28 sure 00:51:01 still fails with a deleted rc file 00:51:13 however, the item is still inscribed 00:51:53 yeah 00:51:53 ok, that simplifies things 00:51:53 unless it's a macro 00:51:56 can you try clearing your macros? 00:52:18 is there a way to clear all macros? 00:52:23 or do i have to remember what they all are 00:52:56 i think there is a way 00:52:57 not sure 00:53:36 ??macro 00:53:37 macro[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/macros_guide.txt;hb=HEAD 00:53:38 i cleared the 3 macros i know i had which were on the keys [123] 00:53:54 and with it on J i still get that's not food 00:54:04 can you make a save dump? 00:54:22 just by ctrl+s? done 00:54:26 hrmmm 00:55:25 * geekosaur just noticed that item_from_int indexes inventory, not the menu 00:56:24 oh, but the other call expects that. still trying to untangle what goes on here... 00:58:18 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:58:39 what's interesting is if i e J it eats just fine 00:58:44 it's only when i use the inscripted 1 00:58:58 ??save backup 00:58:58 save backup[1/1]: To get a Save backup, you have to log-ing via SSH (console), then select (T)runk -> (A)dvanced -> (B)ackup -> (N)ormal . This will give you a link that will allow developers to get a copy of your save and help find bugs. 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:42 k, sec 01:01:10 mrrr. what has a limit of 32? (still fishing...) 01:01:22 murtidash: fair warning: i'm like 95% sure this is a huge waste of time 01:01:30 Character "murtidash" in crawl-0.19. Backing up: successful. - http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/saves/murtidash-crawl-0.19-161112-0601.tar.bz2 Please provide this link in your bug-report or give it to a developer 01:01:33 and the actual cause will be something really trivial and not even very buggy that we're overlooking 01:01:39 i'm just really curious tho 01:01:41 at this point 01:01:43 yea, the crash is fixed 01:02:00 i'm more curious as well 01:02:18 and i'm too tired to play right now, so just watching bullshit tv and seeing where it goes :P 01:03:19 cool, i can repro locally 01:03:21 that's very good news 01:03:37 it's trying to eat your ID scrolls 01:03:56 which are also autoinscribed with 1 01:04:02 G - the 20 scrolls of identify {@*1} 01:04:04 yes 01:04:11 we checked that though... oh wait 01:04:32 right, * works always 01:04:36 paper contains lots of fibre! 01:04:38 so it is that bug 01:04:42 should that be @r1 ? 01:04:48 on the scroll of identify 01:05:03 probably 01:05:09 if i change the scroll to @r1 01:05:10 then e1 01:05:12 it works 01:05:13 since it will be item 1 for anything 01:05:15 and eats the bread 01:05:40 and for my other ration, i have a remove curse on @*2 01:05:43 so yes, if your food is after the scrolls then e1 will select them 01:05:52 so i bet it's the order 01:05:52 can someone give me a prize for being right 01:05:54 because i'm right as hell 01:05:55 yea, exactly 01:05:56 need to be careful with @*n 01:06:14 also your rcfile is filled with obsolete cruft 01:06:19 entropy weavers chanting word of entropy 01:06:27 wands of fireball 01:06:35 rings of sustatt 01:06:45 they might use it with old versions 01:06:46 sad... 01:06:58 like i said, it's an old hacked version of HDA from when he wasn't on one of the servers i played on 01:07:01 it looks like it was copied from hda - yeah 01:07:06 i've done some cleanup but yea, it has a shit ton of old stuff 01:07:19 probably a lot of work to maintain! 01:07:32 i actually just removed a bunch of crap this past week 01:07:34 it was really ugly before that 01:07:38 heh 01:07:42 now that you have the auto healup on autoexplore 01:07:46 which is the only reason i was using HDA 01:08:00 i don't need all that crap 01:08:05 so basically the bug could also be triggered 01:08:20 by putting @e[0-9] on a non food item 01:08:27 then hitting e (that number) 01:08:40 since that went through that code path 01:09:11 ya 01:09:16 you could also use lua for it probably 01:10:25 so i fixed it for me by changing the scroll autoinscribe to @r1 and @r2 01:10:32 and no one else would ever have hit it 01:10:37 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19.0-19-g8c6edcc (34) 01:11:17 becuase no one else has a hacky crazy ass rc file 01:11:24 although anyone using HDA could have potentially hit it 01:12:06 well, it also depends on where the @* was in their inventory 01:12:15 so there's a certain nondeterministic aspect to it 01:12:27 the @* was straight out of HDA 01:13:05 maybe not, i clearly ripped it off from somewhere though 01:14:27 -!- ees has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:17:35 -!- Pacra__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:35 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:33 !lm murtidash crash 01:19:34 8. [2016-11-12 05:34:02] murtidash the Brawler (L24 TrMo of Ashenzari) ASSERT(food.base type == OBJ FOOD || food.base type == OBJ CORPSES) in 'food.cc' at line 1020 failed on turn 66572. (Depths:2) 01:19:53 !lm * crash noun~~"food.base_type" 01:19:54 10. [2016-11-12 05:34:02] murtidash the Brawler (L24 TrMo of Ashenzari) ASSERT(food.base type == OBJ FOOD || food.base type == OBJ CORPSES) in 'food.cc' at line 1020 failed on turn 66572. (Depths:2) 01:19:57 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-45-gb3e417c (34) 01:19:58 !lm * crash noun~~"food.base_type" s=name 01:19:59 10 milestones for * (crash noun~~food.base_type): 7x murtidash, 2x HilariousDeathArtist, Neil 01:20:10 !lm hilariousdeathartist crash noun~~"food.base_type" 01:20:11 2. [2014-11-13 20:44:20] HilariousDeathArtist the Spry (L14 FoHu of Nemelex Xobeh) ASSERT(food.base type == OBJ FOOD || food.base type == OBJ CORPSES) in 'food.cc' at line 1340 failed on turn 23097. (Lair:7) 01:20:18 looks like he hit this crash years ago 01:20:29 and no one noticed, except him i guess 01:20:55 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:20:57 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:17 yea, he actually fixed it in his config in git in 2014 01:21:29 he... has a git for his rcfile? 01:21:31 !lm hilariousdeathartist crash noun~~"food.base_type" x=gid 01:21:32 2. [2014-11-13 20:44:20] [game_key=HilariousDeathArtist:cszo:20141013193917S] HilariousDeathArtist the Spry (L14 FoHu of Nemelex Xobeh) ASSERT(food.base type == OBJ FOOD || food.base type == OBJ CORPSES) in 'food.cc' at line 1340 failed on turn 23097. (Lair:7) 01:21:43 !crashlog hilariousdeathartist gid=HilariousDeathArtist:cszo:20141013193917S 01:21:44 2. HilariousDeathArtist, XL14 FoHu, T:23097 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/HilariousDeathArtist/crash-HilariousDeathArtist-20141113-204420.txt 01:21:50 https://github.com/HilariousDeathArtist/DCSSConfigFile 01:22:27 aw, was hoping the inventory would be in that crash log 01:22:29 anyway 01:22:31 good stuff 01:22:44 hopefully no one goes back to older versions to exploit this 01:22:45 can always fix the online versions if people do, i guess 01:23:06 so make a new account and crash .18 and below every 5 minutes? got it 01:23:06 :P 01:23:42 that's a ban, mister. 01:24:46 naw, if i didn't care i wouldn't have come in and tried to get it fixed once i realized what it was. cool that you guys were already on it 01:25:15 and for letting me come along for the ride 01:25:32 it was my pleasure! 01:25:39 always fun to do some good sleuthin 01:25:41 i've actually been doing test automation and qa for like a decade, shit is interesting to me 01:25:50 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:26:17 if you want to help fix up our terrible test system, hell, Patches Welcome 01:26:34 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-nWSE-qRBYTo_d2jcyrR4hL1Q_BI73VVNgoXpcpX7tg/edit#gid=1329575456 01:26:43 made that for this tourney with some really hacky as shit javascript 01:27:13 kind of want to clean it up and get with whoever runs the tourney scripts to add it as a page for them 01:27:28 since it's just a customization of publicly available info 01:30:27 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 48.0.2/20160823121617]] 01:32:16 cool 01:32:30 but yea, i'll keep that in mind and poke at what's there once the tourney is over 01:32:41 did anything fun happen here today? 01:32:45 ya 01:32:49 we found a bug, twelwe 01:32:51 can you imagine 01:33:02 The red berserk overlay breaks after hitting X 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10778 by PleasingFungus 01:33:26 i wanna know why confusion negates amulet of shielding bonus 01:33:35 spite 01:33:37 err reflection 01:33:55 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:33:56 i don`t pretend to understand magic but isn`t that a magical effect? 01:34:11 confusion is magic. 01:34:19 I agree with twele 01:34:25 not to me, its a regular thing 01:34:31 right now 01:34:33 lol 01:34:35 for example 01:35:06 it works that way because it's simpler 01:35:16 since confusion also knocks out every other shielding source 01:35:22 too hard to code again... 01:35:27 coding is basically impossible 01:35:31 ??impossible 01:35:32 devteam[5/27]: sadly that bug is literally impossible to fix by which i mean i tried like once and then gave up 01:35:33 i hear that 01:35:46 I tried coding once, for crawl...pay the devs 01:35:53 haha 01:37:45 i just figured out i live close to the vagante developers 01:38:00 nice 01:38:29 maybe they can fix this computer 01:40:17 i used to know alot about computers until they broke on me and i discovered its like with a car where you have to pay someone to put the oil in once in a while 01:42:15 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0.2/20161019084923]] 01:46:44 -!- protopulse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:53:01 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:20 honestly if you don't oil up your hard drive at least once every few months you're asking for trouble 01:56:47 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-45-gb3e417c 01:58:12 -!- murtidash has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:07 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:03:05 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:53 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:04:47 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:05:18 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:35 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:07:38 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:13:54 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:15:24 !nchoice 02:15:27 FoCj: 0 wins || HilariousDeathArtist: CBRO, L17 Destroyer of Hepliaklqana || amalloy: CAO, L10 Destroyer of Fedhas || Dynast: CBRO, L9 Magician of Vehumet 02:16:19 that FoCj has undergone some recursive shaft-fleeing 02:18:24 wait 02:18:44 amalloy: you're not on a team? 02:19:00 we still have a slot 02:19:12 you could be a on a team with twelwe 02:19:23 and 100% of us are google employees 02:20:03 nah, i don't really have much time this t, rather just get in one or two games on my own 02:20:34 well that's really all this team is doing anyhow 02:20:38 but we don't want you anyhow 02:20:42 you're not good enough 02:21:15 we only take the best of the best 02:22:16 see? he's paralyzed has no retort 02:22:25 I told you I'd come back with a chaos dunk 02:22:32 people who make fun of my map kills get chaos dunked 02:22:50 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_rekt 02:22:56 daaaang 02:23:18 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:54 -!- amalloy_rekt is now known as amalloy 02:23:58 lol jk u suck noob 02:25:06 -!- Max__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:25:46 -!- Max__ is now known as Guest84698 02:26:01 you're gonna mess with a guy with 69 youtube subs? big mistake 02:26:05 big big mistake 02:26:50 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:15 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:31:04 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:31:07 oh yeah, i have like 50 tumblr followers and only 45 of them are porn bots 02:32:36 what happens exactly when someone messes with another guy who has 69 youtube subs 02:33:58 you don't want to nkow 02:35:40 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:52 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:47:46 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:54:16 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.20-a0-45-gb3e417c 03:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:05:36 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:14:13 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.20-a0-45-gb3e417c (34) 03:26:29 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:27:28 -!- PElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:26 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:35:05 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:35:57 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:42:51 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:46:13 %git 3cebfc1d9e22b882f894932b5587901909df21b8 03:46:13 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-1193-g3cebfc1: Remove jump-attack 10(2 years, 1 month ago, 37 files, 109+ 619-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3cebfc1d9e22 03:47:39 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:57 -!- danielguo94 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:53:24 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 03:55:02 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:52 I would like to see unvisited areas on minimap. I made a patch, but there were some problems. Please, can you tell me, am I right? Details: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/issues/389 04:09:40 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:10:45 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:12:57 -!- Kenran has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:47 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:58 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:44:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:57:47 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:40 -!- adibis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:55 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:11:14 -!- ig0rb1t has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:15:02 03AndSDev02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/394 * 0.20-a0-42-g0ba98c1: Fix minimap in Abyss and Labyrinth. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0ba98c1847d6 05:23:09 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 05:29:50 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:37:40 -!- kstn has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:14 Hi all, couldn't you help me to define is something a bug? 05:40:20 Is this a proper place for similar questions? 05:44:38 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:46:02 yes 05:46:10 ask away! 05:48:04 Thanks, not sure is it a bug or feature. 05:48:31 There is a crawl build from git one or two days ago 05:49:55 I took 'an uncursed ring of poison resistance' fron a kobold body, and its color is grey like with restricted things 05:50:15 Helmets for minotaurs, etc 05:50:34 But I can put it and it works 05:51:04 Not sure is it a bug (and does it need bugreport) or feature 05:51:19 Menu/colouring prefixes: identified uncursed useless_item equipped jewellery 05:51:28 kstn: grey doesn't mean restricted necessarily 05:51:33 it's useless because you already have rpois 05:51:48 useless and unwearable items are both grey 05:51:57 probably you have an rpois mutation or rpois from other armour 05:53:16 -!- Guest84698 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:53:25 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 05:53:37 <|amethyst> other armour wouldn't do it, but rPois mutation would 05:53:47 yeah was unsure about that part 05:54:53 Really! You're right, it was a mutation. Thanks and sorry for bothering 05:55:22 np at all 05:55:29 -!- kstn has left ##crawl-dev 05:59:31 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12:54 -!- ChaseSP has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:26:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:31:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:35:25 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:42:59 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:44:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49:24 -!- sneakyness has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04:20 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:43 -!- Pekkekk has quit [] 07:07:04 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:17:40 -!- madatmemes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:24:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:25:53 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:30:20 -!- Pacra__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:46 -!- Pacra__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:00 -!- madatmemes_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:21 -!- Pacra__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:46 -!- Pacra__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:39:15 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:41:25 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:30 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:53:54 -!- Max__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:17 -!- Max__ is now known as Guest59350 07:56:30 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:38 !tell Kramin do you have a diff handy for how the announcements changed on kramell (or is kramell up on github somewhere)? out of curiousity mainly, although i think it could maybe afford to be slightly more verbose than it is now 08:02:38 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:02:39 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let kramin know. 08:11:45 !tell pleasingfungus if nothing else it'd probably be good to just make it a fixed duration of 2-3 turns rather than the current v. weird thing! but single turn is probably also fine i imagine 08:11:46 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:15:25 Stable (0.19) branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19.0-19-g8c6edcc 08:18:48 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:21:00 -!- Vall has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:27:32 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:32:36 -!- bmfx has quit [Client Quit] 08:33:40 -!- Guest59350 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:34:36 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:37:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:38:50 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:51:05 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:05 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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You drain its power. The wolf is no longer paralysed. 10:16:51 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:12 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:18:32 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:16 -!- MarvinPA__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:19:44 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:20:45 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:16 -!- Speleothing_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:28:20 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:33:55 New branch created: pull/395 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/395 10:33:55 03Benoit Giannangeli02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/395 * 0.20-a0-17-gb7a1f55: Chaos should not heal rot 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b7a1f55f7d13 10:38:48 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40:23 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:44:16 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:46:29 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:08 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47:21 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 10:53:16 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:53:20 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 10:54:46 -!- rophy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:02 -!- jwinterm has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:58:25 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:01 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:52 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:09:35 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest32462 11:11:41 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:15:29 -!- Guest32462 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:20:03 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0.2/20161019084923]] 11:29:40 -!- Timinator has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:36:53 -!- bairyn has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:41:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:41:39 -!- OrphineM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:48:01 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:31 -!- bairyn has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:41 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest18488 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:37 Stable (0.19) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19.0-19-g8c6edcc 12:02:38 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:06:41 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:01 Hey guys :) I have a question about god design: Let's say there's a god that works quite bad for one species. It's not fully useless, but severely diminished. Should that species be allowed to worship at all? 12:08:20 Case in point: A god with an overwhelming majority of mechancis build around wielding weapons, and Felids 12:08:35 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.20-a0-45-gb3e417c (34) 12:08:43 Should it be a player choice to worship the god even though only a few of the mechanics can be used, or should it be disabled completely to prevent a newb trap? 12:09:48 depends on how exactly the god works 12:10:04 trolls are allowed to worship gozag at present 12:10:14 despite it being a stupid idea from most viewpoints 12:11:06 Hmm... 12:11:42 So, the god I'm talking about is IJC (https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22067&sid=f3ca2e2046af2bc3e90cd97ca93cd860), and it's built around weapons being summoned around you 12:11:47 you can walk into them and wield them 12:11:57 If you're unable for whatever reason, you just swap them normally 12:12:07 and then you're granted abilities that are all related to wielding weapons 12:12:13 <|amethyst> do the weapons do things if you don't wield them? 12:12:22 <|amethyst> like attack things? 12:12:25 Yes, they fly around and attack on their own like tukima's 12:12:30 and you can command them to shatter against a targetr 12:12:33 target* 12:12:40 <|amethyst> then I think it's not unreasonable to allow Felids to worhip 12:12:42 <|amethyst> worship 12:12:47 this looks perfectly fine for a felid 12:12:50 Fair enough :) 12:13:17 <|amethyst> much as mummies can worship Trog, despite not being able to berserk 12:13:36 -!- Sheala has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:14:09 Cool 12:14:30 In that case I will iron out a couple corner cases (like the God failing to spawn un-wieldable weapons) and allow it for felids too. 12:14:55 <|amethyst> As an example of where a god should be disallowed 12:15:15 <|amethyst> if Felids had not gained the ability to use wands, Pakellas probably would not have accepted their worship 12:15:42 <|amethyst> since then there would have been no relevant god abilities/passives at all 12:16:14 I see 12:16:36 So a good rule of thumb is... If worshipping a god provides literally nothing, disallow 12:16:50 If it gives you anything at all, someone will find it a nice challenge so why cut it 12:17:05 RIP Gargoyles of Yred 12:17:05 <|amethyst> disallow, or better yet modify the god to provide something :) 12:17:25 <|amethyst> yeah, currently all disallowed worship is for flavour reasons, not mechanics 12:17:31 hep disallowed felids because the ancestor couldn't provide anything useful (don't recall if this is still true) 12:17:37 the flavor was a retcon 12:18:38 <|amethyst> hm 12:18:50 <|amethyst> I'd argue that it was flavour reasons 12:19:12 <|amethyst> because PF wanted the ancestors to actually be ancestors, hence cats 12:19:16 Hah 12:19:24 I thought of looking for a flavour reason to disallow IJC for cats 12:19:25 <|amethyst> but without weapons ancestors are very different 12:19:25 what's the current flavor for Hep cats? 12:19:32 "the ghost of a previous master" or what? 12:19:45 and I had trouble because the god has several mentions of tigers and felids, being based in traditional chinese martial arts, so I wasn't sure I could get away with it 12:19:50 <|amethyst> %git a12d01c0 12:19:50 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-266-ga12d01c: Improve Hep descriptions 10(6 months ago, 2 files, 23+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a12d01c0075b 12:19:51 felines* not felids 12:20:05 <|amethyst> Though 12:20:06 <|amethyst> +perhaps somewhat changed in shape and bearing few discernable features, still 12:20:08 <|amethyst> +it seems somehow to resemble a warrior from the distantly remembered past. 12:20:58 -!- joy19999 is now known as joy1999 12:21:08 humanoidcentrism at work 12:21:11 <|amethyst> basically "yeah, I know it's not a cat, but suspend your disbelief for a minute" 12:21:29 I always wondered something 12:21:46 would it be possible to store the tile when you die so when your ghost comes back it uses your old tile? 12:21:58 It always annoyed me a little that the tile represents a generic ghost 12:22:29 <|amethyst> I don't think you should use the same tile as a living whatever 12:22:37 troll ghosts have the claws 12:22:43 <|amethyst> but it would be nice to have a doll system for ghosts 12:22:45 "possible" but a fair amount of extra work. also you have to deal with corner cases like game was played console but then you encounter it in a tiles game 12:23:04 <|amethyst> that one's not bad, I believe tiles are computed anyway 12:23:05 geekosaur, that shouldn't be a problem if you just reconstruct it from what the console character had equipped 12:23:11 because of the doll system 12:23:16 <|amethyst> but 12:23:23 <|amethyst> what if the player picked a custom tile 12:23:27 <|amethyst> so they look like a bat 12:23:27 (also, for local play, local tiles and webtiles are distinct and the tiles are different. and webtiles does not have the full doll system local tiles does) 12:23:32 <|amethyst> now their ghost looks like a bat 12:23:37 <|amethyst> which is a bit confusing for players 12:23:47 I think we'd just ignore custom tiles for ghosts 12:24:37 Yeah you could just regenerate the tie 12:24:39 tile* 12:24:44 the ghost tile system is currently broken anyway i think? 12:24:53 i had one remembered as a slave just now 12:25:01 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:25:09 =nemelex MfEE 12:25:11 Defined keyword: nchoice => OpWr|HEAr|KoIE|DDAE|CeVM|HOWz|GrEn|GhCj|FeAK|VSSu|DEHu|VpAK|HaSu|TeAM|SpMo|FoCj|MfEE 12:27:30 -!- veyX has quit [Client Quit] 12:30:17 -!- jwinterm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:34:00 -!- Unano has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:40:31 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:45:40 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Client Quit] 12:46:23 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:57:24 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:11 -!- taqueso has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59:21 zxc_: was mostly just asking out of curiosity, but also just don't want exciting splats to end up muted since those are fun to !tv 12:59:51