00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:06 is there a way to specify the player’s starting location in a des map (like for a Sprint scenario) or does the player always start on/near the escape stairs? 00:08:43 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:09:15 chequers: the play page seems broken 00:09:28 this one: http://crawl.develz.org/play.htm 00:11:43 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:19 I wonder if that's because CAO got disabled 00:13:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:14:36 lordaltan (L8 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Bailey) 00:14:39 well I updated servers.json 00:14:46 to disable the CAO entry 00:14:51 I think it was broken before though 00:15:35 hope the logic wasn't verifying it got valid data by checking for cao... 00:15:42 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:55 ??cao 00:15:55 cao[1/2]: Crawl server, located in Phoenix, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 00:16:05 photon45 (L27 MiFi) (Crypt:1) 00:16:22 hrm, webtiles still seems to be running on CAO 00:16:31 Rippar (L20 OgWr) (Vaults:2) 00:16:39 "oops" 00:17:12 actually I suspect it was just set to reject new connections, not kill off existing ones 00:17:20 since they'll die soon enough anyway 00:17:42 right 00:18:11 there's a guy waiting at the lobby with beem dutifully watching 00:18:14 gammafunk I just had tavern suggest to move a vault from Depths to Crypt because it was too dangerous 00:18:38 so dangerous, it must be moved to where no one will see it! 00:18:54 haha 00:24:22 hrm, wonder how xp compares in elf and crypt 00:24:22 ??objstat[2 00:24:22 objstat[2/2]: Latest spreadsheets for past releases and trunk (0.19-a0-1655-gdd95918): https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 00:25:19 wow, very similar 00:25:22 crypt a little more 00:26:57 that's part of the reason why I suggested to just put Elf/Crypt on a roulette a few months ago 00:27:51 yeah, I do elf most games because of loot, even though it's more dangerous for most chars 00:28:59 but probably we'd want to do more work to make crypt more fun 00:29:22 it's better than it used to be, but it's less fun to do 00:29:31 regret-index and I have been discussing a way to merge Elf and Crypt to solve several issues at the same time 00:30:10 Crelf? 00:30:25 or Elpt 00:31:06 would go beautifuly in the newly merged Vapths branch 00:31:40 i wasn't a super huge fan of that idea, iirc 00:32:17 haha, I like using iirc when refering to your past preferences 00:32:26 the fungus is amorphous 00:32:31 Elf has a bunch of great vaults with a disappointingly grindy endvault, Crypt's vaults are very backloaded but has a great monster set and shows up way too late in the game for that monster set to be at all relevant 00:32:33 among other reasons 00:32:41 'grindy' in terms of luring a lot 00:33:18 hrm, well elf does perhaps have a few nice vaults 00:33:28 but a lot of it kinds of blends in with the layout to my recollection 00:33:32 i liked cryptelf roulette, as discussed 00:33:43 That was plan B if the merge doesn't work out 00:33:54 was it? i think that suggestion came first 00:33:57 it did 00:34:02 I liked the merge idea more 00:34:07 I'm open to both though 00:34:07 i'm just not that excited about crelf. i think both branches have a pretty distinct feel 00:34:24 the overuse of single-tile passages in elf is a big thing I dislike 00:34:27 that's really just a layout issue 00:34:38 not a "design of the branch" issue, so much 00:34:44 that's geoelf, right? 00:34:47 could probably be tweaked 00:34:58 yes 00:35:24 they aren't passages, they're 'halls'! 00:35:41 I'm kind of inclined to agree that a merge might not work...like I'm trying to imagine how the monster sets would merge 00:35:50 there's a table on the planning page 00:35:56 elven archers with jianghsi? 00:36:10 dogs and cats...living together!...chaos! 00:36:35 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:37:28 the theme of many of the crypt monsters is certainly cool...the reality of fighting them still leaves things to be desired 00:38:49 !lg * recent crypt s=cikiller% !boring cikiller!~~wrath cikiller!=the_player_character 00:38:50 531 games for * (recent crypt !boring cikiller!~~wrath cikiller!=the_player_character): 56x an ancient lich (10.55%), 54x the fury of Okawaru (10.17%), 42x an ancient champion (7.91%), 37x a vampire knight (6.97%), 36x a curse skull (6.78%), 30x a lich (5.65%), 24x a revenant (4.52%), 23x a phantasmal warrior (4.33%), 19x a jiangshi (3.58%), 18x the rage of Trog (3.39%), 17x Khufu (3.20%), 16x a v... 00:38:55 god damn it 00:39:12 you know it's a good branch when oka wrath is your no. 2 killer 00:39:24 the rage of trog, seriously 00:39:27 !lg * recent crypt s=cikiller% 00:39:28 545 games for * (recent crypt): 56x an ancient lich (10.28%), 54x the fury of Okawaru (9.91%), 42x an ancient champion (7.71%), 37x a vampire knight (6.79%), 36x a curse skull (6.61%), 30x a lich (5.50%), 24x a revenant (4.40%), 23x a phantasmal warrior (4.22%), 19x a jiangshi (3.49%), 18x the rage of Trog (3.30%), 17x (3.12%), 17x Khufu (3.12%), 16x a vampire mage (2.94%), 13x a ghoul (2.39%), 8x... 00:39:31 they can't all be matched with a deng string 00:39:53 there's a table in godwrath.cc 00:39:55 for no good reason 00:39:56 re: fighitng Crypt monsters, I think that's something that can be addressed indirectly (different monster mixtures) 00:40:07 do the monster mix? do the monster mash/ 00:40:34 gammafunk: you made servers.json invalid 00:40:37 there are no comments in json 00:40:42 hrm 00:40:47 you have to remove the entry? 00:41:00 L A M E 00:41:00 currently, yes 00:41:01 %git 52f5b20b692aa8291b0cf39d617c3408acd13582 00:41:01 07edlothiol02 {wheals} * 0.19-a0-999-g52f5b20: Some work on Webtiles mouse control (walking around and attacking). 10(4 years, 5 months ago, 7 files, 248+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/52f5b20b692a 00:41:28 chequers: you should figure out why mouse_control.js isn't being loaded on servers 00:41:52 . 00:41:56 but, i'd have to learn a now-dead react version 00:42:00 lol 00:42:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 49.0/20160916101415]] 00:43:05 hrm 00:43:11 now I get a server list 00:43:20 although apparently I didn't allow chrome to use location 00:43:32 is there a way to trigger that dialog again? 00:43:51 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:04 -!- Rast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:49:40 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:01 if butchering was removed, how would people eat corpses 00:50:19 same as dragon hides 00:50:28 oh 00:50:31 necromancy buff 00:51:42 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:35 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:25 hey people, don't fill in the survey for real yet 01:04:29 i'm junking the responses 01:04:41 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:51 and whoever asked for food crafting, NO, BAD 01:05:44 -!- Kinbote has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:06:30 -!- nixor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:07:57 gammafunk: try chrome://settings/contentExceptions#location 01:08:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 01:08:15 or just click the padlock in the address bar 01:08:58 too easy. console players demand weirdo URLs and menus with lots of text 01:09:36 sorry, I'm running chrome in ascii mode with the emacs-keybindings, what's the command I need? 01:09:48 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:49 preferable to just give me the emacs lisp to run 01:10:32 hrm, I don't have a padlock 01:10:40 when I click the little i in a circle though 01:10:57 under Permissions: Location has "Allowed by you" 01:11:11 Napkin: could cdo redirect http -> https? 01:12:02 and and add that url thingy amalloy gave me, both http and https cdo urls have allow 01:12:15 try changing it to ask 01:12:22 and then try in icognito 01:12:31 well it's not changeable 01:12:33 just removable 01:13:06 I removed them 01:13:11 same problem in incognito 01:13:37 that's weird. i'm asked, and the redirect works 01:13:43 did you block js or have some dumb extension 01:13:52 have an addblock 01:13:56 let me try disabling 01:14:04 should be ok 01:14:20 doesn't seem to help 01:14:55 oh 01:14:59 this seems relevant 01:15:10 dcss.js:175 getCurrentPosition() and watchPosition() no longer work on insecure origins. To use this feature, you should consider switching your application to a secure origin, such as HTTPS. See https://goo.gl/rStTGz for more details. 01:15:14 chequers: ^ 01:15:16 in js console 01:15:28 aha, well then 01:15:42 styxcanada (L10 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:8) 01:15:42 Blackmore (L1 TrMo) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D (Sprint)) 01:15:48 could improve the error handler so it just gives the server list on http 01:15:54 but best would be https redirect 01:16:01 let me try in https 01:16:11 i guess i should put scoreboard on https too 01:16:24 yeah, got a prompt, and redirect worked 01:16:32 so I guess it's just broken over http 01:17:07 # apt-get install letsencrypt 01:17:09 [..] 01:17:12 0 upgraded, 32 newly installed, 0 to remove and 28 not upgraded. 01:17:15 damn modern software 01:20:37 r e m o v e 01:25:02 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:14 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:33:58 -!- ChaseSP has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:42:40 Blackmore (L11 TrMo) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D (Sprint)) 01:42:54 !lm blackmore x=src 01:42:54 14970. [2016-10-14 22:00:34] [src=cao] Blackmore the Chiller (L1 OpIE) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 01:43:13 oh, is that disk space realted? 01:44:41 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:45:14 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:45:58 yes 01:46:27 wincelet (L14 MiGl) (Lair:5) 01:47:24 ??cao 01:47:24 cao[1/2]: Crawl server, located in Phoenix, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 01:53:29 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:59:24 -!- Idolo has quit [] 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:12 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:10:43 any eta on that by the way? Disk space issue? Quite a few people over on ##crawl asking about it. 02:12:34 gammafunk: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/xom.png 02:12:47 omg 02:13:02 sending it to the koreans 02:13:42 haha 02:13:51 that's two new dcss emotes ready 02:13:54 I should make another batch 02:16:59 -!- ogaz has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:18:05 looks like dancer emoji 02:18:45 somebody make a unique for this tile to be 02:20:14 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:21:10 -!- Jaho has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:22 -!- eb_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:10 zhngchq (L10 DDFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:8) 02:29:29 Venerence (L14 DsWz) (Lair:3) 02:30:07 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:48 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:31:01 wincelet (L14 MiGl) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 02:31:49 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:35:27 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:42 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:38:05 !nick bots 02:38:06 No nick mapping for bots. 02:44:22 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:44:50 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:45:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:46:14 -!- Lordarticus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:52:08 -!- hpm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:53:46 icymi: league of legends posted a dev blog on interesting decisions http://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2016/10/dev-on-depth-vs-accessibility/ 02:55:34 gammafunk: okay i fixed a thing, reload it 02:55:39 now i'm gonna go to sleep 02:59:49 ontoclasm: holy fuck 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:05 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:00:18 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:02:15 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 03:05:18 i am become the internet 03:07:33 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:12:13 chequers: it does, most of the time 03:13:49 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1895-g783e625 (34) 03:13:55 imo rename and/or regender harold and replace his tile with that 03:14:19 because his current one is the most boring pose imaginable 03:14:58 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 03:15:26 sherryl-d 03:15:28 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:15:42 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 03:16:08 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:16:20 ontoclasm: I had to look closely at those images to even see what changed 03:16:26 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:16:34 -!- kazimuth has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:17:59 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:18:06 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:18:08 pixel art is all about being pedantic 03:18:12 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:18:16 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:30 -!- twzt_ is now known as twzrt 03:21:31 -!- twzrt is now known as twzt 03:21:42 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:23:55 -!- GauHelldragon3 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:24:00 -!- PElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:20 @??wasp 03:25:20 unknown monster: "wasp" 03:25:23 @??hornet 03:25:24 hornet (08y) | Spd: 15 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-39 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 1804(paralyse) | fly | Res: 06magic(30) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 283 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 03:25:32 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:26:10 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:46 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 03:27:01 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:33 -!- agolden has quit [Client Quit] 03:27:48 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:21 -!- agolden has quit [Client Quit] 03:28:44 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:09 -!- agolden has quit [Client Quit] 03:29:25 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:34 ??cao 03:29:34 cao[1/2]: Crawl server, located in Phoenix, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 03:29:57 -!- agolden has quit [Client Quit] 03:30:13 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:34 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:30:45 -!- agolden has quit [Client Quit] 03:30:59 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:35 !learn add cao CAO is offline as of Oct 17. until its disk issues can be fixed. It's not expected that any in-progress games will be lost, but we don't have an ETA on a fix. For US players, please try either {cbro} or {cjr} in the meantime. 03:32:35 cao[3/3]: CAO is offline as of Oct 17. until its disk issues can be fixed. It's not expected that any in-progress games will be lost, but we don't have an ETA on a fix. For US players, please try either {cbro} or {cjr} in the meantime. 03:32:49 !learm mv cao[3] cao[1] 03:32:57 !learn mv cao[3] cao[1] 03:32:57 cao[3] -> cao[1/3]: CAO is offline as of Oct 17. until its disk issues can be fixed. It's not expected that any in-progress games will be lost, but we don't have an ETA on a fix. For US players, please try either {cbro} or {cjr} in the meantime. 03:33:15 I forgot i can just do add cao[1] 03:33:25 !learn mv cao[2] cao[3] 03:33:25 cao[2] -> cao[3/3]: Crawl server, located in Phoenix, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 03:33:31 ??cao[2 03:33:31 cao[2/3]: Webtiles is at http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/. 03:33:33 oops 03:33:36 !learn mv cao[2] cao[3] 03:33:36 cao[2] -> cao[3/3]: Webtiles is at http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/. 03:33:49 ??cao 03:33:49 cao[1/3]: CAO is offline as of Oct 17. until its disk issues can be fixed. It's not expected that any in-progress games will be lost, but we don't have an ETA on a fix. For US players, please try either {cbro} or {cjr} in the meantime. 03:34:20 I wonder if there's room for a Northwest server to round out our other three ordinal directions 03:34:30 ??cbro 03:34:30 cbro[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots 03:34:53 though it seems the seattle/vancouver players don't have much complaints about playing on CAO 03:34:56 (uptime aside) 03:36:53 the real issue is someone wanting to admin it 03:37:10 neil offered to let someone admin cszo and there was no one who really had the time 03:38:33 is adminnign that complex? 03:38:40 s/complex/involved 03:40:13 not terribly, but there's plenty of work you have to do for upkeep. 03:41:05 zhngchq (L12 DDFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:1) 03:44:53 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:55:30 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:59:22 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:21 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 04:01:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:02:52 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:06:39 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:20:24 !tell chequers I get a warning from https://scoreboard.crawl.develz.org/players/gammafunk.html? that it attempts to load unsafe (I think non-https) scripts 04:20:24 gammafunk: OK, I'll let chequers know. 04:32:00 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:15 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:34:16 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 04:35:14 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Client Quit] 04:35:19 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 04:36:47 gammafunk: ah I can fix that, but the pages aren't rewritten all the time so it might not be updated for a bit 04:37:31 -!- Rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:48:26 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:03 MindToWaste (L14 DrEE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:7) 05:02:20 Ziegl0r (L1 HOFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D (Sprint)) 05:12:21 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:16:29 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:20:38 gammafunk: play another game 05:20:38 chequers: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 05:21:23 the only games I have active are ones I'm going to win, sorry 05:21:54 ok the desu I won't win but I'm not playing that one 05:23:03 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 05:23:31 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 05:25:15 -!- hpm__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:27:21 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:08 player pages are currently only updated when there's new data 05:31:58 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:33:30 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:33:30 YungiDarkness (L12 MiGl) (Orc:3) 05:36:31 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:45:50 beigtais (L24 DECj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:13) 05:46:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52:45 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 05:56:31 -!- hpm__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:05 -!- wasd64 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:37:20 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:37:39 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:52:50 -!- gammafunk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54:39 argument for removing hydra from dungeon vaults and the spawn table: they are one of the most recognisable monsters in the game, keeping them in a single branch helps build on that lore, and they don't add much diversity to D 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:17 -!- eb_ has quit [] 07:01:27 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:18 zhngchq (L12 DDFi) (Lair:2) 07:28:32 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:11 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:03 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 07:33:11 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:33:35 -!- ebering has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:37:57 -!- ebering has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:30 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:47:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48:09 !tell pleasingfungus when uniques drop a hide now they aren't inscribed 07:48:10 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 07:53:11 zhngchq (L13 DDFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:4) 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:06:13 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:06:31 chequers: and they're fun if you get one in D:6... 08:06:52 (hydras that is) 08:08:01 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:16:23 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:17:12 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:59 -!- shmup has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:23 Mackerel (L5 DrWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:3) 08:31:14 zhngchq (L13 DDFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:4) 08:32:50 -!- FiftyNine57211 has quit [Client Quit] 08:38:21 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:25 !seen drke 08:39:25 I last saw DrKe at Tue Oct 18 07:18:15 2016 UTC (5h 21m 10s ago) joining the channel. 08:39:37 DrKe: if you want to improve another unique louise can spawn with a hand axe 08:40:06 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:40:16 roarke actually wanted to change louise 08:40:24 but i told him he can write the patch himself 08:40:37 since it's pretty easy to just change a unique weapon list 08:41:35 !seen roarke 08:41:35 I last saw Roarke at Mon Oct 17 17:29:35 2016 UTC (19h 12m ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Page closed'. 08:41:48 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:41:50 !tell roarke write the louise weapon list improvement patch already 08:41:51 chequers: OK, I'll let roarke know. 08:42:01 he'll appreciate that lol 08:42:09 btw I updated the god tiers 08:42:14 even though i've never played uska past early game 08:42:17 ??drke[png 08:42:18 tiers[1/1]: Races: http://i.imgur.com/NMsN77b.png Gods: http://i.imgur.com/tWji7gA.png (tiles) / http://pastebin.com/UxAwrsSb (text) 08:42:46 it's a rough estimation 08:42:54 i'm pretty sure about hep though 08:43:14 tbh i feel really early hep is not amazing until you class the ancestor 08:43:34 well, it's kind of amazing to get something at 0* at all 08:43:37 only gozag matches that 08:43:43 and 2* is pretty early to get something that substantial 08:43:58 so i figured A+ even though i was considering A 08:44:20 fair enough. I definitely agree with the S tier in midgame, although I think in depths/zot hep starts to struggle 08:44:37 i also moved sif up in midgame if you noticed 08:44:43 since i think the new channeling is amazingly good 08:44:53 0 sif games 08:45:00 gammafunk did well 08:45:28 it takes care of the tedium and tedious hunger concerns of spamming aa 08:45:35 i wonder if it's a good or bad thing that you rank almost every god at S or A tier in midgame 08:46:07 well, it gets pretty hard to differentiate 08:46:37 like there are 14/15 gods that are B or below in early/panhelltomb 08:46:40 but 6 in mid 08:47:07 yeah because more gods are bad or mediocre then 08:47:16 not many gods are bad at the 6 star 3 runing 08:47:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:47:28 TSO is one that is i suppose, and qaz and chei have their questionable nature 08:47:30 makes sense 08:47:46 well thanks for the update, even if it's not really experimentally validated yet. I'll have to play some uska too 08:48:09 yeah 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:18 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:05:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:28 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:17:23 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:23:02 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:58 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:29:44 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:32 -!- packet_loss has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:40:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:42:55 -!- Kadarus has quit [Client Quit] 09:48:41 Laif (L25 VpEn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Vaults:5) 09:48:42 irqconflict (L6 MuWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:4) 09:49:54 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:50:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:23 -!- shmup has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:55:52 -!- packet_loss has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:57 -!- shmup has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:04 -!- shmup has quit [Client Quit] 09:57:17 charlessucks (L10 TeSu) (Orc:1) 09:57:31 -!- shmup has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:12 -!- Yezarul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:04:38 Vall (L1 HuFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 10:15:08 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:19:03 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:39:13 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:26 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:22 -!- lynn has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:54 -!- lynn__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:41 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:51 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:08:51 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 11:17:41 -!- Snikeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:31:06 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:35:29 Vall (L2 HuFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 11:35:45 WeiSong (L1 FoFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 11:40:36 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:40:46 -!- sooheon has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:53 query42 (L1 VSIE) (D:1) 11:57:50 -!- ChaseSP has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:58:39 Terrin (L1 DEWn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 11:58:41 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:58:45 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:58:58 -!- lynn__ is now known as lynn 11:59:18 -!- lynn has quit [Changing host] 11:59:18 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:18 -!- lynn has quit [Changing host] 11:59:18 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:16 -!- Snikeer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:03:01 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:03:49 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:50 -!- agolden has quit [Client Quit] 12:13:02 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:13:08 -!- can-of-b1es has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:14:19 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:17:49 Nel (L1 NaEn) (D:1) 12:26:20 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:26:50 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Client Quit] 12:39:52 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:40:40 -!- SteelNeuron has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:56 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:04 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 12:50:26 -!- Snikeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:55:04 Laif (L25 VpEn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Crypt:3) 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:30 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:15 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 13:06:01 -!- duvessa has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:09 The world spins around you as you enter the gateway. 13:06:10 _Welcome back to a volcano! 13:06:18 this is the first portal vault i have entered this game 13:08:57 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:00 MichaelH (L15 DDAr) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:13) 13:14:39 -!- GauHelldragon3 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:19:26 Hey hey 13:19:42 I'm wondering how to find a specific monster by a property value. Is it a good idea to do that? 13:20:06 Any comfortable way to find monsters that have a specific property, regardless of their position? 13:20:21 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 13:22:40 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:02 -!- Pinkbeas1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:30:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:31 !tell chequers i'm putting food crafting in the 0.20 plan 13:30:31 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:30:31 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let chequers know. 13:33:22 -!- tw_ has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:22 -!- endou_ has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:22 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:23 -!- yaknyasn has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:23 -!- djinni has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:24 -!- Jafet has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:24 -!- escu has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:24 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:24 -!- surr has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:24 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:24 -!- paulr has quit [*.net *.split] 13:33:25 -!- Cenon has quit [*.net *.split] 13:34:03 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:33 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:01 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:13 -!- escu_ is now known as escu 13:36:04 !tell chequers also, i don't really understand how the unique inscription thing worked before... as far as i can tell, not enough information is preserved? 13:36:05 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let chequers know. 13:36:30 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:41:37 0.20 feature idea: just spawn purgy & xtahua's hides with higher base encahnts 13:41:39 *enchants 13:41:49 (and guarantee them, i guess?) 13:42:58 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1896-g611e798: Minor refactor to hide code 10(21 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/611e7989db5c 13:44:24 @??death cob 13:44:24 death cob (08z) | Spd: 25 | HD: 14 | HP: 77-106 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3513(drain speed) | 07undead, 03plant, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++ | XP: 2287 | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 13:44:40 ok can we talk about how bad multiple holiness is 13:44:53 this is a valid polymorph target for plants now 13:45:02 and it's undead so you can't polymorph it back 13:45:08 @??thorn hunter 13:45:09 thorn hunter (00f) | Spd: 12 (swim: 120%) | HD: 15 | HP: 83-115 | AC/EV: 9/9 | Dam: 27, 23 | 03plant, amphibious, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 2120 | Sp: v.thorns (3d18) [11!AM, 06!sil], w.brambles [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 13:45:29 god, are death cobs really speed 25? who thought that was a good idea 13:45:36 they've been that way forever 13:45:45 just they didn't do anything, before 13:45:51 well they don't do anything now either 13:46:04 drain speed can mess you up these days, imo 13:46:14 ime? 13:48:10 hmm i'm sure multiple holiness being bad came up recently when it was removed from some things, i forget why it wasn't from everything else 13:48:56 -!- Guest89784 is now known as ChaseSP 13:49:32 Numor (L1 MuCK) (D:1) 13:49:45 also what's the chance of getting "you're too confused to move" in open space 13:53:33 -!- sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:53:36 MichaelH (L15 DDAr) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Snake:2) 13:56:02 dear xom: casting ice form while i am fighting an FE ghost with 0 unarmed skill is not a good action 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:47 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:04:54 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:24 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:09 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:09:16 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1896-g611e798 (34) 14:11:17 -!- rubinko has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:11:17 -!- rubinko__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:11:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:31 MarvinPA: fwiw, i'm not convinced that "death cobs are a poly target for plants" is a holiness problem 14:16:08 -!- packet_loss has quit [] 14:18:15 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:20:57 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:22:45 -!- wasd64 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:26 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:03 -!- mong has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:09 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:32:53 -!- tmass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:35:51 PleasingFungus: being able to polymorph a plant into a death cob, but not being able to polymorph a death cob, is stupid 14:36:27 hm, true 14:37:11 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:37:13 not all operations are symmetric 14:37:13 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:37:48 polymorph certainly isn't symmetric in general 14:37:51 wrt hd effects 14:37:51 so you are ok with things polymorphing into undead? 14:38:17 would be fine if you could poly death cobs back into plants, maybe? 14:38:56 being able to polymorph one specific undead, and no others, doesn't sound like an improvement 14:39:29 v0v 14:39:34 I'm having a lot of fun with the crawl codebase, wish I had started with it earlier 14:39:49 like, when you encounter death cobs normally how would you ever guess that you could polymorph them 14:39:52 I think after I'm done with this god I'll try helping patch some stuff :) 14:40:08 when "you can't polymorph undead" is a clear rule 14:40:28 i wonder if we explain that anywhere 14:41:32 it's not explained but at least you can tell when you try it that you can't polymorph undead/nonliving 14:42:10 a positive rule ('can poly natural/plant/demon/holy') isn't in principle more complex than the current negative rule 14:43:50 -!- halv has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 14:43:52 it would be awfully obtuse if you don't add dual holiness to monster descriptions, since currently there is absolutely no way for an unspoiled player to know death cobs are plant+undead or apises are holy+natural except by polymorphing things into them 14:44:19 oh wait, apis finally lost natural, thank god 14:44:55 there's not much way to tell holinesses in general, even for single-holiness monsters 14:45:24 have to reason from observed effects 14:45:38 and 'flavor' :p 14:46:11 yeah and I just observed the effect that xom can polymorph an oklob plant into a death cob, and nothing can polymorph a death cob back into anything else, and I observed that this is mega dumb 14:46:49 and i agreed! 14:47:34 Is it possible to remove a property from a CrawlHashTable? 14:47:38 yes 14:48:15 erase() 14:48:20 thanks :) 14:48:28 I was grepping for delete and remove haha 14:48:52 might've wanted to check the class definition first 14:52:19 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:02 Yup, got a little confused because it's a method on the stored element rather than the table 14:53:11 ah, fair 14:55:09 except I'm blind and I completely made that up, but whatever :P 14:55:41 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:13 -!- halv has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:05:39 halv (L5 CeHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:4) 15:05:40 styxcanada (L12 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 15:05:57 aithe4ngel (L6 DsFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:4) 15:13:01 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:22 any method to get a random unoccupied position in LoS? 15:16:57 use reservoir sampling on an actor_near_iterator, maybe? 15:17:25 worth looking at how blink does this 15:17:41 oh 15:17:43 !source random_near_space 15:17:43 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/teleport.cc#L471 15:17:58 hm, no, that's too specific 15:18:04 calls valid_blink_destination 15:18:30 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:47 oh, but without forbid_sanctuary and forbid_uninhabitable (that is, with both of those false), it does what you want 15:21:04 hmmm 15:21:07 thanks! that's perfect 15:22:17 -!- duvessa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:32:10 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:33:30 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:36:24 lanetrain (L1 HONe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 15:39:01 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:40:10 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:52:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:00 DeepDeath (L27 HECj) (Zot:2) 15:53:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:10 -!- mong has left ##crawl-dev 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:41 photon45 (L27 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Tar:5) 16:09:41 AWBWRuRobin (L21 CeWn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:4) 16:17:08 FrankTheTank (L2 FoFi) (D:1) 16:23:06 -!- Snikeer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:25:21 -!- squidcat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:27:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:33:02 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:13 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 16:42:08 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:48:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:48:23 MaseCarrigan (L12 HuWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:1) 16:53:06 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:57:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:59:43 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:14 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:05:00 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:07:24 0TuCroisQuonJoue (L3 NaCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 17:12:33 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:13:02 -!- flappity_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:13:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:15:16 -!- gressup has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:34 -!- lynn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:18 -!- Amadiro has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:17:02 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:05 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:17:25 -!- lynn is now known as Guest23427 17:17:27 -!- M-bbigras has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:17:36 -!- Shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:18:30 -!- Guest23427 is now known as lynn 17:18:35 -!- lynn has quit [Changing host] 17:18:35 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:35 -!- lynn has quit [Changing host] 17:18:35 -!- lynn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:18 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:10 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:22:42 -!- Sonderblade has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:37 PleasingFungus: before, if you killed snorg, butchered his(her?) body and got the hide, it would have a {Snorg} inscription 17:23:37 chequers: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:23:47 i know 17:23:51 i don't know how that worked tho 17:24:03 why it worked, I guess? 17:24:08 it probably isn't very important either 17:24:12 yeah 17:24:16 the donald thing has a reason to exist 17:24:21 in that why are hides treated specially 17:24:32 i think it was a flavour FR 17:24:43 i want to make unique hides get extra plusses 17:24:50 xtahua loot 17:25:00 but: feature freeze 17:25:04 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:26:42 -!- SteelNeuron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:27:55 that's a cool idea 17:28:01 PleasingFungus: yes, was for flavour. I'd love it if we found a way to get that back in. 17:28:50 i'm still getting used to typical crawl games being filled with dragon armour instead of dragon scales 17:29:15 filthy (L11 DgCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 17:29:15 Terrin (L3 VpWn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 17:29:35 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:41 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:36:50 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:07 ??tiers 17:37:07 tiers[1/1]: Races: http://i.imgur.com/NMsN77b.png Gods: http://i.imgur.com/tWji7gA.png (tiles) / http://pastebin.com/UxAwrsSb (text) 17:37:29 Where are Ba?! 17:38:51 fr remove shadow wraiths for being insufferably boring 17:39:05 did they ever get a new tile 17:39:25 it's still a blue shrugging ghost 17:39:29 !lg * current trunk splat ckiller~~wraith s=ckiller% 17:39:36 23 games for * (current trunk splat ckiller~~wraith): 14x a shadow wraith (60.87%), 9x a freezing wraith (39.13%) 17:39:47 -!- n1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:39:54 !lg * current trunk xl>=12 ckiller~~wraith s=ckiller% 17:40:02 245 games for * (current trunk xl>=12 ckiller~~wraith): 196x a freezing wraith (80.00%), 25x a shadow wraith (10.20%), 24x a wraith (9.80%) 17:40:23 !lg * current trunk xl>=12 !icecv ckiller~~wraith s=ckiller% 17:40:31 173 games for * (current trunk xl>=12 !icecv ckiller~~wraith): 124x a freezing wraith (71.68%), 25x a shadow wraith (14.45%), 24x a wraith (13.87%) 17:40:46 hrm 17:40:51 wonder how many are in extended 17:40:56 !lg * current trunk xl>=12 !icecv ckiller~~wraith s=ckiller% urune<=5 17:41:06 172 games for * (current trunk xl>=12 !icecv ckiller~~wraith urune<=5): 123x a freezing wraith (71.51%), 25x a shadow wraith (14.53%), 24x a wraith (13.95%) 17:41:13 not many 17:41:42 ??haunt 17:41:42 haunt[1/2]: (L7 summ/necr): Summons 2-6 wraiths and undead "ghost" type monsters around the target. Smite-targeted, but only castable on a monster. In 0.16- caused sickness when cast unless you worship Kikubaaqudgha and pass a piety-in-200 check. 17:41:54 don't think you get shadow w. from that 17:42:09 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:42:44 you do! 17:43:00 !source pick_random_wraith 17:43:01 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc#L2253 17:43:48 -!- epsilonhalbe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:43 jeepers! 17:45:14 &dump gammafunk cwz 17:45:15 http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/trunk/gammafunk/gammafunk.txt 17:50:35 !learn add cwz ASCIIPhilia's "Card Knight" challenge: Play TrCK, abandon Xom turn 0, worship only Nemelex, cannot train any of these skills: UC, weapon, launcher, throwing, Earth Magic, and cannot use forms except necromutation. 17:50:36 cwz[7/7]: ASCIIPhilia's "Card Knight" challenge: Play TrCK, abandon Xom turn 0, worship only Nemelex, cannot train any of these skills: UC, weapon, launcher, throwing, Earth Magic, and cannot use forms except necromutation. 17:51:20 !lm mooon alive 17:51:25 188. [2016-10-18 16:47:45] mooon the Petrodigitator (L25 FeEE of Ru) sacrificed words on turn 135720. (Depths:3) 17:51:33 !sacrifices mooon 17:51:34 Last sacrifices made by mooon: purity, experience, love, essence, health, health, health, essence, eye, drink, purity, essence, courage, purity, skill, stealth, words 17:53:21 !learn add cwz mooon's "Ultimate Sacrifice" challenge: Play Felid of Ru, and repeatedly get to full piety, before abandoning Ru and reworship. 17:53:21 cwz[8/8]: mooon's "Ultimate Sacrifice" challenge: Play Felid of Ru, and repeatedly get to full piety, before abandoning Ru and reworship. 17:53:54 &dump mooon 17:53:55 http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/trunk/mooon/mooon.txt 17:55:01 !tell Lasty mooon's sacrificial cat progress: http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/trunk/mooon/mooon.txt 17:55:01 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 17:55:02 three cycles dang 17:55:18 I think this is the farthest one he's gotten 17:55:29 !hs mooon felid ru month 17:55:30 8. mooon the Petrodigitator (L25 FeEE of Ru), annihilated by a reaper (a +1 scythe of protection) in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_tar_grunt_deathgaze) on 2016-09-19 01:58:15, with 784964 points after 135815 turns and 10:39:27. 17:55:35 !hs mooon felid ru month -log 17:55:36 8. mooon, XL25 FeEE, T:135815: http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/trunk/mooon/morgue-mooon-20160919-015815.txt 17:56:36 -!- destrovel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:58:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:59:36 -!- smee has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:42 do spectral weapon axes cleave? 18:00:53 ya 18:01:19 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:01:23 -!- cait has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 50.0/20161010144024]] 18:01:31 Do spectral weapon axes dream of cleaved dream sheep? 18:01:43 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 18:01:51 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:02:02 that could be improved 18:03:01 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:20 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1896-g611e798 (34) 18:03:54 osuadh: since the hunger is on activation, vampires that are close to thirsty when they zerk just have it end immediately 18:04:01 osuadh: and you're still slowed and exhausted 18:04:17 kind of weird case arising out of the recent zerk/hunger change 18:04:28 UI doesn't really prepare you for that as a Vp 18:04:29 could spectral weapon sinv if the player can 18:04:53 no, it doesn't copy player properties 18:04:56 why would sinv be meaningful? hit chance? 18:05:16 I don't think it even triggers if it can't see the target 18:05:18 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:21 could be wrong about that though! 18:05:38 yes 18:05:46 i was wondering why it wasn't attacking a vampire knight 18:06:29 huh 18:06:31 weird 18:06:40 MarvinPA: re what I pasted above from osuadh, is that something you're aware of and/or care about? 18:07:06 It's more magic about ~vampires~ 18:07:28 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:10:41 !lm * god.worship sewer s=god% 18:11:51 673 milestones for * (god.worship sewer): 377x Elyvilon (56.02%), 173x Makhleb (25.71%), 124x Zin (18.42%) 18:12:17 !lm * recent god.worship portal s=god% 18:12:22 !kw portal 18:12:23 Keyword: portal => br=icecv|volcano|lab|bailey|sewer|bazaar|ossuary|wizlab|trove 18:12:37 !kw portal br=icecv|volcano|lab|bailey|sewer|bazaar|ossuary|wizlab|trove|desolation 18:12:38 Defined keyword: portal => br=icecv|volcano|lab|bailey|sewer|bazaar|ossuary|wizlab|trove|desolation 18:12:54 styxcanada (L13 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:9) 18:12:54 pugnum (L1 SpAs) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D (Sprint)) 18:13:47 90s limit exceeded: killed !lm * recent god.worship portal s=god% 18:13:49 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:14:05 !tell Lasty When I told Dynast (longtime player, one of few fans of current ranged) about your ranged reform: Dynast: he mispell evocations 18:14:05 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 18:17:33 'he mispell', huh 18:18:04 rip ranged reform 18:18:59 Dynast's first language is Portuguese, his second language is English, and his true language is Touhou 18:19:12 -!- hpm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:19:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:20:13 * dpeg believes in Lasty 18:21:28 -!- hpm__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:27:22 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:30:42 gammafunk: yeah, that's a possible spoiler. IMO, if they end up too similar, take a bunch of ranged-type stuff out of Evo. That skill is already overloaded. 18:30:42 Lasty: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:30:48 dpeg: aw shucks 18:31:17 Lasty: well, the only thing that really stands out in that regard is rods in general 18:31:31 gammafunk: rods are reasonably distinctive right now IMO 18:31:38 hrm, I mean I guess wands but I don't think you want to remove wands 18:31:40 OP maybe 18:31:43 but distinctive 18:32:18 perhaps we have too many hex wands but I don't think we have too many damage wands 18:32:40 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:32:49 Lasty: yeah, just going off your suggestion of taking ranged out of evo 18:33:05 ranged things are : attack wands, elemental evokers, rods 18:33:26 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:33:30 elemental evoker meaning the lamp and the phial specifically 18:34:17 gammafunk: the things that have close overlap w/ ranged (single-target LOS) are phial of floods and wand of flame . . . I think that's all? 18:35:01 well, i guess I don't see how phial of floods would be close overlap but various rods wouldn't 18:35:26 most especially innac, ignition (does that still exist), lighting 18:35:29 -!- dtsundere has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:34 I guess lighting has the aoe side-effect thing 18:35:44 Egon (L9 OpTm) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:5) 18:35:51 <|amethyst> AOE side-effect? 18:35:59 <|amethyst> none of those three are single-target 18:36:04 you can use the targetter to have an AOE 18:36:16 or you can use it as single target 18:36:18 <|amethyst> oh, rod of lightning 18:36:32 <|amethyst> even if you aim at the same spot, it's still a beam 18:36:37 <|amethyst> err, a bolt 18:36:49 well with rod of lighting, you can make a spread with the targetter 18:37:07 Rods have more overlap w/ conjurations in general than with new-ranged 18:37:22 Lasty: how so? 18:37:26 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:37:29 just due to the rod recharging? 18:37:45 as in it's an actually infinite resource 18:38:53 In terms of effect (lots of AOE/bolts) and in terms of limited uses per encounter but not per game 18:40:44 dpeg: I don't think I'm going to sell anyone on the "desperate haste" idea. I'm not even sure I'm sold on it. I like it from a design angle, but it might make more sense in a game designed around it. 18:41:18 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund 18:41:25 yeah, I see you're using a stricter criterion. Ranged is single target with projectile behaviour. I was going more by "single target and has no explosion"; ignition is indeed not in that category, but innac is 18:41:49 inacc is a bolt -- you can (and should) hit many targets w/ it 18:41:50 <|amethyst> what do you mean by "single target"? 18:42:10 One of the best uses is to fire it down a corridor into a crowd, since it's likely to hit _something_ 18:42:11 Lasty: not always! 18:42:23 I would use it on a hydra repeatedly if I had the skill for it 18:42:34 remember you can have a lot of shots with innac 18:42:36 curse skulls and elephants are also pretty good targets 18:42:43 yeah, low ev stuff 18:43:21 gammafunk: sure, any low EV target is god 18:43:22 er good 18:43:34 giants are great targets 18:43:37 often dragons too 18:44:05 rod of inacc is probably my favorite rod, even tho shadows might be stronger 18:44:23 <|amethyst> I like clouds myself, though not at low power 18:44:49 I'm actually pretty happy w/ most rods, tho I rarely use ignition thanks to the inconsistency/noise 18:45:14 I like rod of shadows 18:45:18 and summons, and sif 18:45:21 AMA 18:45:30 I don't sense a theme 18:45:42 #bruteforceirony 18:46:20 Regardless, I eagerly await ranged reform so that I may continue to criticize ranged and not use it! 18:46:31 (I might use it more after ranged reform, at least) 18:46:55 ouch 18:46:57 I think evocations feels fun because the zany effects feel like spells 18:47:06 and effects you can't quite get from spells 18:47:19 ranged feels like melee combat, but smite targetted, and it's not so sexy 18:47:54 gammafunk: I'd call that an unbridled success 18:48:06 being not sexy? It's the story of my life 18:48:11 <|amethyst> gammafunk only uses ranged attack with PProj apparently :) 18:48:20 gammafunk: it'll be sexy if it hits hard enough when trained 18:48:30 maybe! 18:48:39 |amethyst: well, he has special definitions for "single target" too 18:49:01 <|amethyst> My concern with having both strategically limited ammo and a heavy skill dependence 18:49:14 <|amethyst> is that when you run out of ammo, all those skill points you ever spent are now useless 18:49:24 ok fine, rods are a "bolt" with is_beam = true 18:49:31 |amethyst: yep! Design feature, not bug. 18:50:02 I imagine in newranged that ammo won't be all that hard to fine across the game, like in current crawl? 18:50:08 could bring back ammo acq :) 18:50:16 PleasingFungus: actually might be a good idea 18:50:17 i thought ranged reform would have infinite ammo? 18:50:20 or will the current dynamic of "you got shoals, congrats on all your javs" be gone 18:50:22 chequers: not mine :p 18:50:24 i wasn't really joking! 18:50:26 ah 18:50:29 gammafunk: monsters won't drop ammo 18:50:29 gammafunk: it'll be sexy if it hits hard enough when trained 18:50:38 the 90 base damage large rocks weren't sexy enough for you? 18:50:52 well since we don't have Ba 18:50:55 we can't use large rocks 18:51:00 minmay: they were plenty sexy; they were just too obnoxious 18:51:06 and too OP 18:51:09 like all current ranged 18:52:25 We can't bring back ammo acquire because people always choose that in my aquirement polls 18:52:34 for that reason we need to also remove food acquire 18:53:27 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:53:41 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:11 minmay: what would you do with ranged? (don't say remove it) 18:56:47 <|amethyst> Lasty: you left the easy out of "make it only work at range one" 18:56:55 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:27 |amethyst: touche 18:57:32 the best thing I can think of to do with missiles is to remove ammo (you get unlimited shots) and nerf the damage (because the damage is currently too high for melee to be worth using over it) 18:57:59 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:58:06 minmay: wouldn't that leave it broken and lead to even more swapping? 18:58:08 limited powerful ranged attacks is exactly what wands try to do and I don't see any other design for missile combat that doesn't make it not missile combat anymore 18:58:16 Lasty: no problem about despo haste... you tried it out! 18:58:29 Lasty: we should still get rid of /haste, imo. 18:58:31 despot haste, Lasty's true aim... 18:58:48 dpeg: agreed. imo wand was bigger problem. 18:59:16 Lasty: it does leave the problem that if you press . you should always have done a ranged attack instead, but that problem is going to be in the game for as long as ranged attacks exist 18:59:46 @??large abomination 18:59:46 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 6-12 | HD: 10 | HP: 41-57 | AC/EV: 11/6 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++, 11silver | XP: 407 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 18:59:52 not true, my version addresses that 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:47 how? as far as I understand, your version still involves permanently limited ammo, so you should use your weaker, unlimited attacks against nonthreatening monsters 19:01:09 oh, wait, you mean the . thing 19:01:26 yeah 19:01:34 i guess your version addresses that if your version also involves removing rods, conjurations, and summoning from the game 19:01:37 my understanding is that it doesn't 19:02:03 those are rare or take investment tho 19:02:43 also it sounds like it would still be optimal for every character to use missiles even if they aren't training the skills, unless you make it so they do literally nothing at 0 skill 19:03:32 which is obviously fine in itself, but the way crawl does damage scaling... 19:04:01 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:26 is this intended: Trog does not allow phantom mirror on mages/spellcasters 19:04:32 -!- hpm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:04:37 yep, the intention is that it is still sometimes a good idea for untrained chars to use missiles. Since the interface burden is lower and there are fewer of them I think it will be less irritating than now. 19:04:38 but he allowed it when the spellcaster was silenced. 19:06:12 <|amethyst> adibis: the second part sounds like a bug 19:06:37 <|amethyst> but I'm not sure how that would happen 19:06:54 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:11 there were 2 pan lords on my orb run. One of them was just a melee dude who cast silence on me and the other pan lord. 19:07:21 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:29 I was able to then clone both of them and run away 19:07:45 cast as in probably scroll of something 19:08:43 Lasty: I should mention that I don't think the idea I offered for missile combat is actually good, it's just the only change I can think of that doesn't either remove missile combat or make it redundant with wands or (the intended design of) conjurations 19:09:24 minmay: fair. To be fair, removal is still a possibility if reform doesn't turn out to be fun 19:09:52 <|amethyst> adibis: monsters can't read scrolls of summoning, so it must have been the spell 19:10:12 |amethyst: sure they can, unless that was recently changed 19:10:17 well in that case I was able to clone 2 of them. 19:10:18 MaseCarrigan (L13 HuWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:2) 19:10:34 reduce damage in general at low skill (but not to the point of complete uselessness; I'm always surprised at how effective it is with 0 skill). reduce damage at range 1 (by a LOT) or 2 19:10:35 <|amethyst> adibis: ah, pan lords aren't "actual spellcasters" 19:11:07 <|amethyst> adibis: Trog only cares about wizardly spells, not innate spell-like abilities 19:11:10 branded ranged should be rare, possibly (un)randart only 19:11:22 Lasty: to me the argument that this is different from wands because evo skill affects things other than wands sounds like "bolt of fire is different from bolt of cold because ice magic gives you AC and ice beasts too" 19:12:06 it's technically correct but it doesn't change that the experience of casting the two spells is really similar 19:12:31 but like, still better than current ranged combat so whatever :P 19:12:34 minmay: Yeah, more or less. Small differences matter. Do they matter enough? Maybe, maybe not. Different people will come to different conclusions. 19:12:56 minmay: this is just the best option I can think of, the only one that seems like it could be better than removal. 19:13:44 <|amethyst> adibis: so you can clone/summon/befriend a pan lord the same as, say, an orb of fire or a basilisk 19:14:04 nice to know 19:14:10 Lasty: I'm not saying it's a matter of size. I'm saying that, tactically, the way you use e.g. melee and ranged is quite different, but the way you use bolt of fire and bolt of cold is not, even if a bolt of fire character does have 19:14:15 other differences from a bolt of cold character 19:14:19 that was pretty much the only reason I escaped - those 2 friendly pan lords. 19:14:27 minmay: true 19:14:36 and that's what I'm worried is going to be the case with newranged vs. wands 19:15:34 minmay: understandable. It's a risk. I sincerely hope it'll feel different enough. 19:16:18 (in the abstract, that is, since wands have the weird feature where the damage ones do insane damage early game and no damage later in the game, because you're casting level 5-6 spell equivalents at all points of the game instead of going 1,2,3,4,5,6 like conjurers) 19:17:26 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:15 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:43 -!- AngelaSmythe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:14 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:36:21 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:18 storm bow is a pretty good wand 19:37:40 -!- THERetroGamerNY has quit [Quit: Be Blessed!] 19:41:06 reach out and touch someone. 19:41:13 -!- GauHelldragon3 is now known as GauHelldragon 19:42:49 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:43:37 -!- Ge0ff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:44:23 -!- lumisphere902 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:49:29 DrKe: Krishna too 19:51:52 the only usable ranged weapon is damnation, others are garbage 19:53:14 banishment or bust 19:55:41 -!- starbutterfly has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:57:30 -!- epsilonhalbe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:30 let it end in hellfire... 19:58:49 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:58:51 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:35 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:08:03 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: just saw the last commit subject, and had a very different thought 20:11:10 same 20:11:37 lol 20:11:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: very_complicated_expression(stuff, more, stuff, name == "PleasingFungus" ? you.hp = you.mhp : 0, stuff, stuff, stuff) 20:13:08 no, no, no, no. heavens, no. i did that months ago 20:14:43 weird, got merfolk avatar to mez me, but then it didn't retreat towards deep water 20:14:43 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:45 it just stood on land 20:15:03 it just tries to get near deep water 20:15:06 to summon the thingamabobs 20:15:17 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:17 I wonder if it's because no deep water was visible 20:17:30 it will stay if there's an adjacent shallow water tile I think 20:18:16 that might be conditioned on whether you have flight active, but I don't think so 20:18:38 whoo, dream sheep pack *and* Rupert. That makes my heart swell with pride. gammafunk I was grey draconian and it was standing next to shallow water with no deep water visible. So probably part of it? 20:18:42 haha 20:18:45 anyway, it stood out as I hadn't seen that particular behavior before 20:19:28 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:47 Brannock: No, I mean the avatar sees when it's next to at least one tile of shallow water 20:19:57 in terms of its moving 20:20:06 it's not what the player is next to 20:20:12 ah 20:20:35 %git 20:20:35 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1896-g611e798: Minor refactor to hide code 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/611e7989db5c 20:20:54 oh well, I missed a minor refactor ot hide code 20:21:18 ??objstat 20:21:18 objstat[1/2]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a build of crawl with EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L=-DDEBUG_STATISTICS in your make command (or full debug with "make debug") to generate item/monsters statistics. See crawl -help for the argument details. 20:21:20 ??objstat[2 20:21:20 objstat[2/2]: Latest spreadsheets for past releases and trunk (0.19-a0-1655-gdd95918): https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 20:21:49 !learn edit objstat[2] s/0.19[^)]+/0.19-a0-1895-g783e625/ 20:21:49 objstat[2/2]: Latest spreadsheets for past releases and trunk (0.19-a0-1895-g783e625): https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 20:22:26 abyss-pan-zig and extended workbooks are still processing, but should be ready in a couple min 20:22:39 s/a couple min/now/ 20:23:44 <|amethyst> hm 20:24:07 <|amethyst> actually, there is something in the MfAv target-picking code that does look like a bug 20:24:31 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:35 <|amethyst> if (water_count > best_water_count) { ... } else // water_count == best_water_count 20:25:07 <|amethyst> but if water_count < best_water_count, it will still pick that square if it's closer 20:25:16 <|amethyst> oh, never mind 20:25:26 <|amethyst> there is weird continue further up... 20:25:28 <|amethyst> why??? 20:25:45 1learn add why because 20:25:53 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:26:06 -!- adibis has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:26:40 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:27:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:31:57 <|amethyst> that whole function has extremely ugly flow control... 20:32:05 MerFolk Antivirus 20:32:25 <|amethyst> tempted to fix that, but not until after release 20:33:00 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:25 <|amethyst> also, I think it does have an actual but minor bug related to merfolk near the upper-left corner of the map 20:33:25 is 0.19 release Soon(tm)? 20:33:38 |amethyst: well, if it has no gameplay changes or minor ones, I think it's fine to fix, if you'd like 20:33:58 if you're concerned about testing, there's still a couple weeks before the release 20:34:15 <|amethyst> the latter 20:34:18 <|amethyst> you know what else had "no gameplay changes"? 20:34:22 <|amethyst> ??meleebug 20:34:22 meleebug[1/2]: The git commit e0bdd66 roughly doubled player melee damage. This was not fixed until around halfway through the 0.16 tournament. http://s-z.org/neil/images/logicbug.jpg 20:34:59 I dunno, you could use that argument to say "no bugfixes after the freeze" 20:35:03 * geekosaur diagnosed a bug earlier today in another project that was a "no behavior change" commit >.> 20:35:03 <|amethyst> heh 20:35:08 seems to be a common thing 20:35:19 <|amethyst> gammafunk: well, this isn't even a bugfix, just a refactor 20:35:56 sure, just saying that we have the freeze for non-invasive fixes and changes, which I can't imagine merfolk avatar AI being too invasive to the rest of the game 20:36:00 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I might fix the bug, though it is obscure and had to notice 20:36:02 but if you prefer to wait, then that's that 20:36:26 <|amethyst> gammafunk: true... worst that happens is the one specific monster starts behaving weirdly 20:36:30 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 20:36:45 merfolk avatar mysteriously gets Axe of Woe powers 20:37:01 and begins appearing randomly everywhere 20:37:10 <|amethyst> and gets double damage :) 20:37:20 do you need double damage with Axe of Woe?! 20:38:01 good makleb capstone power 20:38:11 You get double damage when wielding the Axe of Woe 20:38:22 we do still have a couple weeks before release 20:38:24 *double melee damage 20:38:32 if there's weird behavior that crops up, surely someone will notice 20:38:58 let's just mark this date on our calendars as "The first day of avatarbug" 20:39:12 <|amethyst> considering that no one really knows how MfAv is supposed to act, I could see it being unnoticed 20:39:19 Brannock, you'd think... but meleebug 20:39:19 yep! 20:39:28 <|amethyst> yeah, also, meleebug :) 20:39:42 I blame meleebug on long conditioning of "clustering illusion" and crawl's inherent severe damage variance 20:39:42 we found meleebug before two weeks, didn't we? 20:41:11 <|amethyst> slightly over two weeks 20:41:16 <|amethyst> %git e0bdd66 20:41:16 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-22-ge0bdd66: Fix a crash with cleaving + infusion vs spectral weapons. 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 1 file, 14+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0bdd66d849c 20:41:22 <|amethyst> %git 484a79e 20:41:22 07reaverb02 {elliptic} * 0.16.0-18-g484a79e: Don't double all player melee damage (Revert e0bdd66d8) 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/484a79e65fdf 20:41:37 <|amethyst> March 6 to 21 20:42:25 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:37 well we could really use some pre-release HYPE 20:44:47 avatarbug could be big for us 20:45:44 and if |amethyst makes it, we can give him a second bag to wear over his head, doubling his AC! 20:47:25 the +3 helmet "Bugged" {Stealth++ Slay*2} 20:55:36 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:00 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest46178 21:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:33 -!- Guest46178 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:01:58 I think a lot of people noticed the high melee damage and just assumed that they were consistently rolling high for a change 21:02:04 since that's indistinguishable 21:02:10 That's more or less where I was at 21:02:26 it's unlikely, but will happen now and then 21:03:07 But if you played a bunch of games during that period, I'd expect one to notice 21:04:11 though it seems like a lot of people self-reported as noticing no difference. Maybe it's a question of familiarity with induction or something. 21:04:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:27 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:04:43 people are *terrible* at detecting such things 21:05:13 <|amethyst> I don't think I'd equate "hasn't really paid attention to how quickly different characters kill different monsters" to "[un]familiarity with induction" 21:05:19 geekosaur: you mean they're one choko of detecting? 21:05:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:24 it's kinda the flip side of people not understanding randomness 21:05:47 |amethyst: maybe that's the wrong way to put it 21:05:50 (e.g. not getting that a truly random stream of events will sometimes have "runs" in it) 21:07:06 |amethyst: perhaps I just mean that some people are better at or more experienced at successfully interpreting patterns from unbounded information. 21:09:44 <|amethyst> that's true... probably a combination of both factors 21:10:04 !source gen-apt.pl 21:10:04 <|amethyst> depending on the player 21:10:04 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/util/gen-apt.pl 21:10:14 the comments at the start of this says it takes species data from skills.cc 21:10:27 I don't see species data in skills.cc.. unless I'm overlooking something 21:10:41 if people can't tell double damage, then clearly we need a half damage melee bug for the release 21:10:59 <|amethyst> Brannock: yeah, it gets species-data.h instead nowadays 21:11:01 heh 21:11:04 oh, makes sense 21:11:17 <|amethyst> in a rather obscure way 21:11:23 <|amethyst> well, not really obscure 21:11:44 <|amethyst> $(DOC_BASE)/aptitudes.txt: $(DOC_TEMPLATES)/apt-tmpl.txt species-data.h aptitude 21:11:47 <|amethyst> s.h util/gen-apt.pl $(QUIET_GEN)./util/gen-apt.pl $@ $^ 21:11:49 <|amethyst> err 21:11:50 <|amethyst> $(DOC_BASE)/aptitudes.txt: $(DOC_TEMPLATES)/apt-tmpl.txt species-data.h aptitude 21:11:54 <|amethyst> gah 21:11:56 <|amethyst> never mind 21:12:00 Let's just double a form of damage that players don't really use. Like Gell's. 21:12:01 <|amethyst> anyway, the relevant line is 21:12:04 weird, it shouldn't be giving me trouble as I'd removed the SP_MOTTLED_DRACONIAN entry 21:12:07 <|amethyst> $(QUIET_GEN)./util/gen-apt.pl $@ $^ 21:12:20 couldn't parse mods for Mottled Draconian at ./util/gen-apt.pl line 264, <$inf> line 1. 21:12:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:12:54 Lasty, I had a six-game win streak during meleebug, my longest streak by two times, and I remember thinking "either I've suddenly become very good at Crawl or something has gone terribly wrong" 21:13:46 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:13:55 Brannock: haha, that sounds like good thinking 21:14:00 <|amethyst> Brannock: do you still have the APT(...) lines in aptitudes.h ? 21:14:17 it's wrapped in .. oh, of course 21:14:31 I guess I should restore mottled entry to species-data.h 21:14:38 <|amethyst> Brannock: yeah, in an #if 21:14:49 <|amethyst> unless you're just renaming mottled->yellow 21:15:04 <|amethyst> in which case you'd do the rename in aptitudes.h as well 21:15:07 in that case I'd be removing original yellow, though 21:15:13 but no, mottled are fully gone 21:15:25 <|amethyst> oh, right, yellow already exists 21:15:27 <|amethyst> taupe then 21:15:34 <|amethyst> puce draconian 21:15:59 <|amethyst> what happens if someone loads an old mottled drac game? 21:16:17 ugh I didn't think about that 21:16:29 I guess I have to restore all my removals and tag them instead 21:17:17 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:21 <|amethyst> there is a way to do that semi-automatically, but it might be more trouble than it's worth 21:17:36 I guess I could forcibly convert all mottled players into yellow via tags.cc 21:17:41 not sure what the reception would be 21:18:41 i got my rod of the swarm turned into a rod of smiting (0/0) so mottled drac players have no right to complain 21:18:52 <|amethyst> Brannock: well, *something* has to remain about them anyway, for the save browser if nothing else 21:19:02 save browser? 21:19:15 <|amethyst> the main menu 21:19:20 I was actually thinking about my removal of sticky flame breath 21:19:41 <|amethyst> but I don't think you'd need a whole entry for that 21:20:14 <|amethyst> maybe the string "Mottled Draconian" is already in the save, actually 21:22:06 !source EAT_CANARY 21:22:07 Can't find EAT_CANARY. 21:22:19 <|amethyst> hm 21:22:30 <|amethyst> !source tags.cc:1037 21:22:31 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc#L1037 21:22:42 <|amethyst> not sure why sequell didn't find that, my ctags does 21:22:56 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:53 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-1897-gc712c6c: Fix a minor logical error in MfAv positioning. 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c712c6c6cad9 21:23:53 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-1898-gdc02945: Simplify and refactor MfAv positioning code. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 22-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dc029451501f 21:24:40 <|amethyst> doh 21:24:50 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-1899-g2d93087: Checkwhite (doh) 10(17 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2d93087817fe 21:26:23 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:27:21 what are the system requirements for hosting a server? I've got a spare tower lying around not doing anything. A Lenovo TS140 IIRC 21:31:28 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:35:11 -!- Plutia_ has quit [Client Quit] 21:38:41 -!- Articusice has quit [Client Quit] 21:39:10 -!- Lordarticus has quit [Client Quit] 21:43:55 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 21:49:34 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:52:10 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:13 -!- hpm__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:56:09 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59:15 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:34 Oiketes (L27 DEFE) (Zig:24) 21:59:39 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest76348 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:16 -!- Guest76348 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:06:01 -!- fearitself has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:08:00 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:08:40 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:12 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1899-g2d93087 (34) 22:11:26 Bort (L8 VpAs) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:5) 22:11:59 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:13:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:45 Theed (L26 DsGl) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Zot:3) 22:15:20 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:15:40 Blazinghand, the hardware requirements are modest, aside from disk space because ttyrecs are huge (you'll want to periodically offload them to shalott); but servers don't manage themselves and need a fair amount of manual management 22:15:41 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:15:51 spsoon (L25 NaTm) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Crypt:2) 22:18:02 I used to work in system administration and managed a pbx server that had similar problems with disk space. it was actually fairly annoying. I suppose I won't be getting involved, then, until i'm sure i have some time in my life to get involved in such a project 22:18:54 thanks for the information, geekosaur 22:19:03 Theed (L26 DsGl) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Zot:3) 22:19:13 -!- adelrune has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:51 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:20:54 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:21:38 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:14 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:26:59 Cuddlefish (L7 MiFi) (D:6) 22:27:52 -!- kelthazard has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:28:25 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:28:42 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:29:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(www.adiirc.com)] 23:32:27 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:32:58 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:33:02 -!- meatpath has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:37 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:40:42 Brannock: Demise says: "putting quicksilver dragons in zot is the worst idea" 23:40:46 mission accomplished! 23:40:47 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:42:31 -!- Harudoku has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:16 zhngchq (L13 DDFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 205: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:4) 23:47:31 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:47:44 Brannock's ghost (adept Grey Draconian Gladiator) comes into view. It is 23:47:45 _wielding a weapon of electrocution. 23:47:53 this is grounds for immediate dismissal from the dev team 23:47:58 leaving slime:5 ghosts for me 23:47:58 haha 23:48:08 stupid paralysis 23:50:59 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:52:35 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:16 please remove chaff from vaults monster list, I guess some of that requires changing orc band logic 23:54:37 but i always see ogres, orcs, orc wizards/priests instead of the more appropriate upgraded versions 23:55:29 !lm . 23:55:30 21605. [2016-10-19 03:54:35] gammafunk the Ruinous (L25 KoIE of Sif Muna) killed the ghost of brannock the Spry, an adept DrGl of Cheibriados on turn 101698. (Slime:5) 23:55:39 knightmare of the blinking silencing ghost is over 23:55:42 a honorable death 23:55:56 bonus negative energy breath 23:56:04 Do grey dr ghosts get negative breath? 23:56:10 derp 23:56:18 for a while all dr ghosts got negabreath 23:56:19 iirc 23:57:20 oh maybe not grey since they're Special 23:58:36 chequers, I'm not exactly happy with the vaults monster table either 23:59:53 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1899-g2d93087 (34)