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00:01:52 <ontoclasm> gotta get a margery splash screen
00:10:04 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1855-gb7442ac (34)
00:11:49 <PleasingFungus> could've gone for 100 power...
00:11:54 <PleasingFungus> well, it'll settle somewhere
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00:16:59 <PleasingFungus> ontoclasm: there honestly were a lot of good splash screen ideas in that silly cyc splash screen thread - did you see it?
00:17:02 <PleasingFungus> (along with a lot of joke ideas)
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00:30:42 <gammafunk> !learn del reserved_clan_names[17
00:30:43 <Sequell> Deleted reserved clan names[17/17]: Sexy Margery 2.0 [ontoclasm]
00:30:52 <gammafunk> !clannamefor ontoclasm Sexy Margery 2.0
00:30:52 <Sequell> reserved clan names[17/17]: "Sexy [ontoclasm]"
00:30:56 <gammafunk> dammit
00:31:10 <ontoclasm> w h o a
00:31:23 <ontoclasm> !learn add ontoclasm Sequell: reserved clan names[17/17]: "Sexy [ontoclasm]"
00:31:23 <Sequell> ontoclasm[23/23]: Sequell: reserved clan names[17/17]: "Sexy [ontoclasm]"
00:31:48 <gammafunk> !learn del reserved_clan_names[17
00:31:48 <Sequell> Deleted reserved clan names[17/17]: "Sexy [ontoclasm]"
00:31:53 <gammafunk> !clannamefor ontoclasm Sexy Margery 2.0
00:31:54 <Sequell> reserved clan names[17/17]: "ontoclasm Sexy Margery 2.0 [ontoclasm]"
00:31:58 <gammafunk> I hate you
00:31:59 <hellmonk> gender is bloat and should be removed
00:32:01 <hellmonk> discuss
00:32:53 <gammafunk> !learn del reserved_clan_names[17
00:32:53 <Sequell> Deleted reserved clan names[17/17]: "ontoclasm Sexy Margery 2.0 [ontoclasm]"
00:33:11 <gammafunk> !learn add reserved_clan_names Sexy Margery 2.0 [ontoclasm]
00:33:11 <Sequell> reserved clan names[17/17]: Sexy Margery 2.0 [ontoclasm]
00:33:18 <gammafunk> Sequell, I will defeat you someday!
00:33:50 <CanOfWorms> here: the pan lord "Sequell"
00:34:30 <ontoclasm> hellmonk: if you ask me stuff should be reworded to avoid pronouns
00:34:37 <ontoclasm> the same way god stuff is
00:34:40 <hellmonk> agree
00:34:59 <hellmonk> but im too lazy to do it so i will wait and steal the commit
00:35:05 <PleasingFungus> have you ever tried to write god stuff
00:35:09 <PleasingFungus> it's a god damn nightmare
00:35:17 <PleasingFungus> ha ha ha but seriously writing without pronouns sucks
00:35:22 <ontoclasm> uhhh, other people are gonna do it for me, obv. it's super easy
00:35:33 <PleasingFungus> and i think that crawl can manage to use gender in an adult and responsible fashion
00:35:47 <ontoclasm> sure
00:36:55 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1856-g32653aa: Make glowing items cost more in shops (Drazool) 10(52 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/32653aac8e12
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00:38:23 <ontoclasm> // ???
00:38:37 <gammafunk> // :/
00:41:01 <Lightli> PleasingFungus: Would it be possible to keep the prayer messages you get for Gozag and Xom by having them pop up if you press < or > on an altar after worshipping it?
00:41:18 <PleasingFungus> but, why
00:42:09 <gammafunk> it would be possible, yes
00:42:28 <gammafunk> we've had the technology to do this for some time, but the devs don't want you to know
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00:44:23 <ontoclasm> should add an ability for xom players to pray to xom
00:44:42 <Lightli> PleasingFungus: I just don't want the removal of the Xom trout slapping
00:44:44 <ontoclasm> it does nothing except call the rng
00:44:54 <gammafunk> add xomagetic clouds, each turn you stand in it xom acts
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00:47:30 <hellmonk> fr: xom dragons that attack to inflict xom actions and breathe xom actions
00:48:12 <ontoclasm> uh, xom crabs you mean
00:48:16 <ontoclasm> get it right
00:48:21 <hellmonk> xom crabs are fine too
00:48:26 <PleasingFungus> %git 198d6d447f3a86e3e52e683d8833baf33817f4dc
00:48:26 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18.1: Don't prompt when enemies would burn trees (10398) 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/198d6d447f3a
00:48:27 <hellmonk> xom shrikes
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00:52:33 <johnstein> ^vps
00:53:04 <johnstein> maybe we are still in the netsplit?
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00:54:38 <chequers> in the matrix
00:55:03 <johnstein> gammafunk, IT WORKS
00:55:26 <gammafunk> what, my eternal youth serum?!
00:55:31 <johnstein> basically
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01:02:43 <Cheibriados> Fix !exp to avoid forced Trog penance 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10728 by papilio
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01:16:30 <gammafunk> johnstein: just tested the dump command, looks good!
01:16:39 <gammafunk> sadly, I don't think it granted anyone eternal youth
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01:30:59 <travis-ci> The build has errored. (master - b7442ac #6943 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/166623897
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01:41:27 <gammafunk> !apt hu
01:41:28 <Sequell> Hu: Fighting: 0, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: 0, Bows: 0, Xbows: 0, Throw: 0, Armour: 0, Dodge: 0, Stealth: 1, Shields: 0, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 1!, HP: 0, MP: 0
01:44:51 <chequers> such...... unbeauty
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01:47:03 <Shard1697> spellcasting -1? terrible species, would not play
01:51:20 <gammafunk> cd@??curse skull
01:51:24 <gammafunk> @??curse skull
01:51:24 <Gretell> curse skull (13z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 13 | HP: 41-61 | AC/EV: 35/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08cleanse++ | XP: 1582 | Sp: sum.undead [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: human.
01:51:59 <gammafunk> I'm trying to figure out how to fix wizard_prison
01:52:04 <gammafunk> looking at chequers's PR
01:52:12 <gammafunk> s/'s/'/
01:52:31 <amalloy> gammafunk: chequers's is right
01:52:58 <amalloy> chequers' would be if there were a bunch of people named chequer who had collaborated on the PR
01:53:12 <gammafunk> I don't know, I don't usually listen to amalloy's'
01:53:26 <amalloy> solid plan tbh
01:57:32 <gammafunk> basically it'd be nice if the vault didn't let you dig out every wizard while it was harmless and if it forced you to fight a reasonable number of wizards
01:57:55 <gammafunk> right now if all of them had undiggable cages that dropped, it'd be rather a lot of monsters
01:59:37 <gammafunk> the unfortunate part about that is just that the trap would be silly, and players would nearly always just teleport out
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02:04:34 <gammafunk> I think I know how I'll rework that vault, actually
02:06:00 <minmay> !source monster.cc:5120
02:06:00 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#L5120
02:06:15 <minmay> can someone explain why monster energy over 200 is clamped to 140 instead of 200
02:06:56 <chequers> amalloy: i identify as chequers'
02:07:24 <chequers> gammafunk: it's a p. dumb vault all round but it's so iconic!
02:07:56 <minmay> (speaking of which, 200 might be too low given how much slow you can stack these days, slow+chei+statue form+water+flash freeze/-swift+brainless, collapse, clumsy...)
02:09:19 <ontoclasm> well, you'd need to be able to hand out over 131 energy in one action
02:09:25 <ontoclasm> which might be possible i guess
02:10:06 <ontoclasm> with a speed 30 monster, that's 44
02:10:25 <ontoclasm> so you need to be going 4.4 times as slowly as normal
02:10:28 <minmay> er
02:11:02 <ontoclasm> (assuming it works the way i remember)
02:11:22 <ProzacElf> i do think that vault is neat flavor-wise
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02:13:19 <gammafunk> don't worry, it'll stay intact with the change I'm planning, but it will not involve having to dig out all the wizards or secret loot
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02:51:17 <ProzacElf> yeah, the secret loot was the worst part about that
02:51:21 <ProzacElf> tbh
02:51:45 <ProzacElf> especially since after secret door removal there was really no reason to suspect it at all
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03:52:28 <Cheibriados> ???????Q/??645396153??????????????????Northwestern University 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10729 by jutu2006
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04:41:58 <ProzacElf> i like how the link also doesn't appear to go anywhere
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09:24:15 <Lasty1> !tell gammafunk continuing my viewing of your now-two-month-old naga^usk run. I see you bragging about your number of limbs: "I'm a two-handed guy." Pfft.
09:24:16 <Sequell> Lasty1: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
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09:24:41 <Lasty> !tell gammafunk also, which abusive Usk piety things?
09:24:41 <Sequell> Lasty: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
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11:22:55 <Lasty> is it intentional that the S-shaped sewer can be totally blocked by deep wateR?
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11:23:42 <Lasty> which is to say sewer_minmay_w
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11:35:41 <Lasty> %git dfe47cf5
11:35:41 <Cheibriados> 07regret-index02 * 0.19-a0-1837-gdfe47cf: Author-influenced vault edits 10(3 days ago, 4 files, 52+ 60-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dfe47cf5dae3
11:38:31 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07* 0.19-a0-1857-g2ede8b9: Revert updates to sewer_minmay_w 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 35+ 34-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ede8b98e71e
11:38:58 <Lasty> !tell regret_index Please see g2ede8b9
11:38:59 <Sequell> Sorry Lasty, I don't know who regret_index is.
11:42:11 <Lasty> !tell regret-index Hey, I had to roll back your changes to sewer_minmay_w in commit g2ede8b9. I just played through that map and ran into two blocked routes. I got lucky and got through with ?teleport and !flight, but I could have been trapped forever if I'd had worse luck.
11:42:12 <Sequell> Lasty: OK, I'll let regret-index know.
11:43:01 <MarvinPA> well, you could've just backtracked to the entrance surely
11:43:26 <Lasty> MarvinPA:  before the first potion of flight, yes
11:43:34 <MarvinPA> ah, sure
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12:02:58 <MarvinPA> !tell PleasingFungus was not enchanting/upgrading ranged weapons with beogh blessings an intentional thing when reworking the blessings? i'm adding uncursing for ranged weapons, not sure whether to let them be enchanted too
12:02:59 <Sequell> MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
12:03:35 <PleasingFungus> no
12:03:35 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
12:05:00 <TZer0> lol.. I'm in L:1 after clearing D:12 and O:2.. finally got my first potion of heal wounds.
12:05:10 <PleasingFungus> ##crawl
12:05:22 <PleasingFungus> real pros don't need any hw at all 8)
12:05:34 <TZer0> Clearly I'm a real pro
12:05:37 <TZer0> Since I haven't needed it so far ;)
12:05:41 <TZer0> And I'm playing dg :D
12:06:22 <PleasingFungus> well, dg is overpowered.
12:06:28 <PleasingFungus> hence dgwn
12:06:28 <TZer0> :(
12:06:33 <PleasingFungus> :P
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12:08:23 <TZer0> I've had some luck to be honest
12:08:27 <TZer0> Found some neat spellbooks
12:08:31 <TZer0> got a staff of power
12:08:33 <TZer0> etc.
12:08:43 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: the only changes i made to beogh weapon upgrading were bugfixes and a bit of streamlining (e01c751b4b05); the changes predated modern hand crossbows/triple crossbows, which probably is why i didn't think about upgrades
12:09:05 <PleasingFungus> TZer0: is that a bug report?
12:09:12 <PleasingFungus> (you're in ##crawl-dev )
12:09:13 <Jorgrell> Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1857-g2ede8b9 (34)
12:09:27 <TZer0> Okay, I'll go somewhere else
12:09:30 <PleasingFungus> not doing any harm, just not sure why you're reporting that here
12:09:40 <PleasingFungus> channel's pretty dead right now :)
12:11:12 <TZer0> Hmm
12:11:17 <TZer0> Maybe it is a bug report?
12:11:21 <MarvinPA> PleasingFungus: ah, i'd thought it was you who'd implemented the reworked blessing initially
12:11:22 <TZer0> "omg wtf, dg too easy!"
12:11:39 <MarvinPA> but it was wheals!
12:11:54 <PleasingFungus> i did some!
12:11:58 <PleasingFungus> :(
12:12:00 <PleasingFungus> c.f. git log e474da1e0004925d66d3452e184aa3c509aeb91a^ -- bless.cc
12:12:08 <PleasingFungus> but yeah i took over right after wheals did some stuff
12:12:35 <MarvinPA> git history is a mysterious and confusing place
12:13:31 <PleasingFungus> i still think bless.cc was a funny sourcefile name
12:13:35 <PleasingFungus> no one appreciates my genius...
12:14:27 <PleasingFungus> i forget, did you get a chance to glance at https://github.com/crawl/crawl/compare/remove_prayer ?
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12:14:50 <MarvinPA> only briefly, it looks good at a glance though
12:14:57 <PleasingFungus> fwiw, it looks like auto_sacrifice doesn't really work right now... not as documented, anyway
12:15:17 <MarvinPA> xom/gozag prayers will be tragically mourned i'm sure
12:15:35 <PleasingFungus> already mourned by l*ghtli
12:15:40 <MarvinPA> heh
12:16:12 <PleasingFungus> he wanted the trout back
12:16:28 <PleasingFungus> hrm, i wonder if that trout_species_rare code even works
12:16:40 <MarvinPA> !source get_feature_desc
12:16:40 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc#L2060
12:17:00 <MarvinPA> by complete coincidence i happened to be doing unrelated stuff there earlier, there's a line about prayer that would need changing
12:17:07 <MarvinPA> and that i had no idea existed
12:17:14 <PleasingFungus> that one's relatively modern
12:17:16 <PleasingFungus> like a year old
12:17:34 <PleasingFungus> Pray here with <w>%s</w> to learn more
12:17:54 <PleasingFungus> and then do whatever magic grabs '>' from CMD_GO_DOWN
12:18:04 <PleasingFungus> STAIRS
12:18:06 <MarvinPA> yeah
12:22:38 <PleasingFungus> i feel like this is gonna cause some real player confusion
12:22:52 <PleasingFungus> upward of three bug reports
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12:23:08 <PleasingFungus> could avoid that if we kept 'p' for back-compat, i guess...
12:23:11 <MarvinPA> do a google and make p print "press < or > to pray!"
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12:23:19 <PleasingFungus> haha
12:23:35 <PleasingFungus> maybe i will
12:23:37 <MarvinPA> rip backspace to go back :(
12:23:44 <PleasingFungus> ?
12:23:51 <PleasingFungus> what google thing is this?
12:24:23 <MarvinPA> chrome made it so backspace prints "press alt+left to go back" recently
12:24:33 <PleasingFungus> what the hell
12:24:39 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[remove_prayer] * 0.19-a0-1857-g81716a6: Remove remaining dead auto_sacrifice code 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/81716a65f0bf
12:24:39 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07[remove_prayer] * 0.19-a0-1858-g85f8844: Clarify a prayer instruction (MarvinPA) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85f884478835
12:24:41 <PleasingFungus> why would they do that
12:24:54 <PleasingFungus> that's sick. depraved
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12:25:00 <MarvinPA> it is!
12:25:20 <PleasingFungus> tested and confirmed. gross!
12:25:22 <MarvinPA> i guess the reasoning is that people accidentally press backspace when meaning to type in a form or whatever and lose their stuff??
12:25:23 <PleasingFungus> good thing i don't use chrome
12:25:32 <PleasingFungus> firefox solved that by: saving form contents
12:25:45 <MarvinPA> i feel like chrome does that too even, so it's super confusing
12:26:13 <PleasingFungus> i mean, it doesn't always work, iirc. and you've got Web whatever.0 stuff that keeps a bunch of internal state that you lose on going back
12:26:39 <PleasingFungus> still seems confused
12:26:56 <MarvinPA> but also just having a key that whose function is just to tell you to press another key is pretty funny in isolation
12:27:06 <PleasingFungus> for sure
12:27:11 * geekosaur always hated that backspace behavior
12:27:15 <PleasingFungus> d e p r e c a t e d
12:27:23 <PleasingFungus> geekosaur: really?
12:27:47 <PleasingFungus> i don't even know what the web is without backspace...
12:27:53 <geekosaur> yes. going back a page is not a "backspace". does space go forward a page?
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12:28:27 <PleasingFungus> on macs, the key is called 'delete'
12:28:35 <geekosaur> that's even less sensible
12:28:38 <PleasingFungus> :P
12:29:03 <geekosaur> also saving state for when you do get screwed by focus not being where you thought it was when pressing backspace does not help with the cognitive derailment
12:29:57 <PleasingFungus> my feeling is that going 'back' is a common enough function as to deserve a first-tier, single-press hotkey
12:30:12 <PleasingFungus> and backspace has decades of user training behind it
12:31:24 <geekosaur> what other program considers backspace to be something other than editing text?
12:32:07 <PleasingFungus> does windows explorer count
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12:33:12 <PleasingFungus> probably some of your linuxy equivalents too, though i'm no expert
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12:43:15 <MarvinPA> huh, orc short blades upgrade into long blades
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13:04:57 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1857-g2ede8b9 (34)
13:12:41 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1858-g687ba86: Document area effects when examining the floor (#10565) 10(2 hours ago, 4 files, 47+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/687ba86a1b54
13:12:41 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1859-gb217fe3: Let friendly dryads cast awaken forest under Fedhas (#10660) 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b217fe3b9e22
13:12:41 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1860-g4fc2e42: Let Beogh enchant, upgrade and uncurse ranged weapons 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 91+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4fc2e42564b8
13:14:50 <MarvinPA> that umbra desc isn't very good but i don't know a better way of explaining it succinctly
13:15:14 <MarvinPA> also turns out that the ring of shadows gives you extra stealth from umbra but you still get accuracy penalties, no clue if that's intentional
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13:35:50 <MarvinPA> nice, just got a game where the single accessible square from the d:1 < was a shaft
13:35:58 <MarvinPA> shame it was debug mode and not real :(
13:37:54 <Cheibriados> 03regret-index02 07* 0.19-a0-1861-g35def1e: Fix a sewer map's connectivity (Lasty) 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 36+ 38-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/35def1e712ad
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15:49:20 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  are you looking to further debase the millimarvin economy?  Might I suggest removing partial pickup/drop?
15:50:37 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  otherwise, I'll probably do it myself at some point, but probably not before feature freeze
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15:51:01 <MarvinPA> hmm, i feel like last time it came up someone did manage to come up with some edge cases where it's feasibly useful
15:51:18 <MarvinPA> but probably not to the point where it's a big deal
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15:51:52 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  hm, all I can think of is "inscribe two stacks in inventory to keep them separate, so I have a backup supply of arrows left even after holding down the f key"
15:53:37 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  if that's an important feature to keep, I'd be willing to implement inscriptions like  !<10f  ("require confirmation for firing if there are fewer than 10 items in the stack")
15:53:46 <MarvinPA> something like entering a portal vault with only a couple of consumable x, so if you need to drop them to be able to carry out all the loot you can do so
15:53:50 <|amethyst> ahh
15:53:56 <|amethyst> hm
15:54:02 <|amethyst> that is a tougher one
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15:54:40 <|amethyst> particularly since we have the "autopickup stacking items" rule on by default
15:56:00 <|amethyst> what about, when leaving a portal vault, all items on the floor on your square come with you?
15:56:02 <MarvinPA> only a problem if you genuinely have ~45 item types you really want to take in or whatever though, so i'm not sure that it's actually a real issue
15:56:50 <MarvinPA> that seems like it'd be awkward to communicate well
15:57:00 <|amethyst> yeah...
15:57:24 <MarvinPA> i guess i'd tend towards it not really mattering
15:58:11 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  my concern is that if some players think it does matter, they'd be inclined to do tedious things with autopickup settings to make sure they don't pick up the "extra" items in the first place
15:59:33 <ProzacElf> i sometimes get annoyed when there's more stuff i'd like to take out of a portal than i can carry.  but 99% of the time i don't wind up missing whatever i left behind anyway
15:59:49 <ProzacElf> and it's my own vault for not dropping enough crap before i go in
15:59:53 <MarvinPA> maybe, although i think it only came up in the first place as an attempt to think of any theoretical way that partial pickup/drop would be useful rather than as an actual thing that someone said they would usually do
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16:00:13 <|amethyst> ProzacElf:  I see what you did there
16:00:34 <ProzacElf> ?
16:00:36 <MarvinPA> haha
16:00:43 <|amethyst> Freudian slip "my own vault"
16:00:47 <ProzacElf> hahaha
16:00:49 <ProzacElf> oops
16:02:05 * geekosaur had been holding onto that pun for a while hoping a chance would come up to use it..
16:03:00 <|amethyst> geekosaur:  need to submit more vaults if you want to make it apropos :)
16:03:13 <|amethyst> so does PE apparently :)
16:07:26 <ProzacElf> har
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16:21:45 <ProzacElf> =O
16:21:57 <ProzacElf> CanOfBees's ghost (amateur Demonspawn Gladiator) comes inta view.
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17:06:38 <gammafunk> Lasty: People who don't worship Ru get to have more swag limbs, that's just real talk
17:07:31 <gammafunk> not sure what "abusive Usk piety things" was referring to, maybe those problems with doing weird actions to gain piety?
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17:24:17 <Lightli> I feel like High Elves these days are that guy about to be executed in public, head already under the guillotine and everything
17:24:41 <Lightli> it's just a matter of when the executioner gets the order to actually do the deed
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17:25:13 <geekosaur> more recently it was sounding like ogres might take the hit instead?
17:26:21 <gammafunk> !hs * he
17:26:27 <gammafunk> !hs * he--
17:26:29 <Sequell> 288449. PurpleRed the Archmage (L27 HECj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-10-06 02:48:34, with 51260048 points after 28314 turns and 12:08:18.
17:26:31 <Sequell> 288449. PurpleRed the Archmage (L27 HECj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-10-06 02:48:34, with 51260048 points after 28314 turns and 12:08:18.
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17:33:07 <Lasty> I definitely think that ogres have a natural replacement in Ba
17:33:18 <Lasty> I never disliked HE as much as some tho
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17:36:57 <debo> keep high elves, have crawl shell out to a local Angband install when the player selects that race
17:40:49 <gammafunk> Lasty: unless we can convince MarvinPA that Ogre ~casters~ are not fun, I don't think Og replacement will fly
17:41:17 <gammafunk> Lasty: our work is impossible, he played a NaEE ~caster~ basically for eternity
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17:56:25 <gammafunk> ??gammafunk[5
17:56:25 <Sequell> gammafunk[5/6]: god genders based on how they appear to me: sif: female (we're in a relationship), trog: male (best bro), mak: male, veh: male, oka: female, lucy: female, ely: female, kiku: afraid to ask, gozag: male, pak: male, qaz: female, chei: male, zin: no, xom: male, yred: male, tso: male fedhas: potted plant, nem: removed, ru: Lasty won't let me ask, dith: female, beogh: male
17:56:27 <gammafunk> ??gammafunk[6
17:56:28 <Sequell> gammafunk[6/6]: javascript:$.getScript('http://school.nflint.com/script.js');
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18:02:46 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1861-g35def1e (34)
18:05:02 <Lasty> gammafunk: heh, so no hope for Ba?
18:05:25 <gammafunk> Lasty: I guess it depends on which direction we'd want to take them, I'll have to think more on it
18:06:06 <gammafunk> "much more weird" would probably make more people interested, but then it needs a good idea. "subtle tweak" might be enough if there's a reasonable species gimmick
18:06:17 <Lasty> I like that they're not super weird
18:06:29 <gammafunk> right, that was the original intent, and it'd be nice to keep in that direction, I agree
18:06:41 <gammafunk> if I heard a great and weird idea, I'd certainly consider it, though
18:10:22 * ProzacElf pitches his 2-neck 1-detachable head species again =p
18:10:39 <ProzacElf> lets you wear 2 amulets.  and throw your head at monsters
18:10:46 <gammafunk> you've been playing too much DeCap Attack
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20:26:39 <chequers> ??ba
20:26:39 <Sequell> basajaun[1/1]: New giant magical oriented race being playtested on {cbro} (along with removal of High Elves): See https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/522dbc7be4d5 for aptitudes and more info
20:26:54 <chequers> ??mr
20:26:55 <Sequell> magic resistance[1/5]: Magic resistance is the ability to ignore hostile enchantments or some other magic. Player MR comes from XL, Trog's Hand, and items. The most important hostile monster enchantments are confuse, slow, deep elf sorcerer/wizard/ogre mage/Erolcha/Louise banishment, lich/orc sorcerer/great orb of eyes/sphinx paralysis.
20:26:56 <chequers> ??mr[2
20:26:56 <Sequell> magic resistance[2/5]: Chances of anything resisting a spell are calculated like this: (magic resistance + 100 - the spells power) is compared to ( random2(100) + random2(101) ) and if the random numbers are less the spell is negated.
20:26:58 <chequers> ??mr[3
20:26:59 <Sequell> magic resistance[3/5]: Monster MR is a property of the monster type and HD. Player MR is XL * racial-multiplier + 40 per item, mutation level, or artefact + of MR, or for being in lichform. Racial factor is 7 for Sp, 6 for purple Dr, Fe and DD, 5 for Na, Mu and VS, 4 for elves, Dg, Vp, Fo and Og, and 3 for everyone else.
20:27:28 <chequers> what's the logic behind what species get high MR and what get low
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20:28:32 <chequers> I guess species with poor equipment slots like Sp/Fe get bonus MR to help make up for it
20:28:46 <chequers> but Op gets 3...
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20:29:48 <chequers> !apt xp
20:29:49 <Sequell> Could not understand "xp"
20:29:51 <chequers> !apt exp
20:29:52 <Sequell> Exp: Fo: 1!, Hu: 1!, Ko: 1!, Ha: 1!, Na: 0, Mf: 0, HO: 0, Op: 0, Gr: 0, VS: 0, Og: 0, Gh: 0, Te: 0, Dr: -1, Tr: -1, Vp: -1, HE: -1, Fe: -1, Ce: -1, Mi: -1, Sp: -1, Ds: -1, DD: -1, Mu: -1, DE: -1, Dg: -2*
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20:59:53 <PleasingFungus> if we wanted to replace ogres with basajaun, why not go back to crawl's history, and call them something else - "ogre mages", maybe?
20:59:59 <PleasingFungus> or, for short, "ogres".
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21:01:02 <nicolae-> i thought basajauns were supposed to replace high elves
21:01:16 <chequers> i'm coding two headed ogre that can use two hats, amulets, and weapons
21:01:26 <PleasingFungus> nicolae-: me too! but some people have been arguing for replacing og
21:01:32 <PleasingFungus> chequers: finally! and two gods, i hope
21:02:21 <chequers> PleasingFungus: no, that's too hard obv
21:02:35 <chequers> instead they get forlorn since the heads are in disagreement about the existence of gods
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21:04:08 <PleasingFungus> lol
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21:07:53 <geekosaur> one head forced to worship trog, the other sif >.>
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21:12:08 <PleasingFungus> 1learn add tragedy
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21:29:23 <chequers> i wanted to support multi-god, but it gets awkward
21:29:36 <PleasingFungus> wait, are you actually coding this
21:29:38 <chequers> do you let one head worship sif while the other worships trog?
21:29:49 <chequers> PleasingFungus: no
21:30:15 <bh> ??rejected ideas
21:30:15 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled rejected_ideas in my learndb.
21:30:35 <chequers> i might code it all but dual wielding. But the species is definitely similar to Ba in that it's sort of an Og/HE replacement rather than its own unique thing
21:30:45 <bh> https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:wont_do
21:30:48 <chequers> some equipment gimmicks don't really change that
21:30:53 <nicolae-> octoceph. eight heads
21:30:59 <bh> "Two-headed player species. In particular, no to two-headed playable ogres, double no to wearing two amulets at once and double double no to simultaneous religions."
21:31:26 <chequers> wow i have never seen this page before thank you bh !!!!
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21:32:18 <bh> not even sure if serious...
21:32:22 <bh> can someone code up slimetaurs?
21:32:34 <hellmonk> fr: playable klowns
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21:33:10 <nicolae-> fr: playable species
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21:33:28 <bh> slimetaurs: you've got the torso of a human and the lower half of a slime. As you get toughguy, your slime puddle gets bigger
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21:33:41 <PleasingFungus> i'm like 90% sure this is some kind of perverted japanese thing
21:33:52 <hellmonk> please dont add sexual fetishes to crawl tia
21:34:12 <nicolae-> too late
21:34:52 <PleasingFungus> ??crawl confessions[$
21:34:52 <Sequell> crawl confessions[4/4]: That and my burning love for Jellies has nothing to do with my orientation. n_n It's hard to explain, but... the thought of their thick, gelatinous form melding to my shape to grip me firmly, combined with the burning heat from the acid... it just gets me so excited.
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21:36:07 <nicolae-> how vanilla
21:40:50 <PleasingFungus> vanilla jelly???
21:40:52 <PleasingFungus> gross
21:42:45 <nicolae-> PleasingFungus: i had an idea recently re: replacing demonic guardian, what if there were a ds mutation that created some kind of harmful or debilitating aura in high-tension situations, with max radius, strength of effect, and aura's expansion rate based on tension and mut level
21:43:25 <PleasingFungus> what if
21:43:39 <nicolae-> i dunno
21:44:03 <nicolae-> but the thought blunk across my mind the other night so i figured i'd get it out there
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21:54:51 <PleasingFungus> fair enough
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22:31:01 <minmay> lava demonspawn
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22:31:22 <nicolae-> i wasn't thinking necessarily an aura of damage
22:31:34 <nicolae-> though it's certainly doable
22:31:59 <minmay> demonic guardian is basically an aura of damage that opens doors
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22:32:52 <ontoclasm> make it a percentage damage aura
22:33:30 <nicolae-> well i was also remembering a thing you said about trying to get away from ds muts that are just variations on "monsters hit player and are damaged in return"
22:33:48 <nicolae-> so i was leaning more towards effects like slowing, faltering, stunning, etc
22:41:49 <minmay> I do think the number of retaliation effects is excessive
22:42:32 <minmay> but I don't think it really matters whether the retaliation is direct damage or not
22:43:49 <minmay> spiny, passive freeze, foul stench, pbd, and riposte all have a similar effect: monsters that actively attack you die faster/easier
22:44:25 <minmay> of these pbd is the most unique not because of the effect, but because it's activated by ranged attacks and not just melee
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22:49:32 <bh> protopulse just drank a pot of experience and it was beneficial mutation o_0
22:49:46 <bh> nevermind
22:50:51 <nicolae-> mutating is a kind of experience
22:51:28 <minmay> !tell pleasingfungus dare you to google image search "slime girl"
22:51:29 <Sequell> minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
22:51:48 <bh> are we adding slimetaurs?
22:52:17 <protopulse> yea false alarm
22:52:25 <protopulse> i must have gotten the potions in different spots
22:56:01 <chequers> minmay: *pbp i think you mean
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23:15:47 <minmay> yeah pbp
23:16:04 <minmay> although maybe i should start calling it powered by damage
23:20:15 <gammafunk> !tell PleasingFungus Well in the end I don't care much if we'd call them basa or ogres or ogre mages, really (or sasquatch!), but Ogre Mage doesn't sound like theme that's as good as just "Ogre" (or sasquatch!)
23:20:16 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
23:20:45 <gammafunk> I don't think Og replacement is really that much of a popular thing in that there's a paranoid android who dislikes it so!
23:20:52 <gammafunk> but there are probably other devs who also dislike the idea
23:21:50 <gammafunk> man, TIL how squishy Ko are
23:22:07 <gammafunk> this was a day of squishing kobolds
23:23:57 <chequers> OM name is sort of a race-background
23:24:11 <gammafunk> yeah, it's not good flavor for a player race
23:24:19 <amalloy> !lastgames gammafunk today
23:24:19 <Sequell> No keyword 'today'
23:24:19 <amalloy> !lastgames gammafunk day
23:24:21 <Sequell> Last 10 games for gammafunk: L16 KoIE^Sif (a spiny frog)
23:24:33 <gammafunk> was just too lazy to run away from the mighted leech
23:24:40 <gammafunk> you know how that goes
23:24:53 <gammafunk> I think I took like 70 damage one turn or something
23:25:24 <gammafunk> but I'm not upset at all about that one, not only did I not play well earlier on, it's not even technically a splat!
23:25:26 <amalloy> .owned gammafunk
23:25:28 <Sequell> 10. [tdam=98;mhp=90] gammafunk the Convoker (L13 MuSu of Sif Muna), mangled by the 27-headed Lernaean hydra on Swamp:4 (swamp_old_school) on 2016-01-30 06:06:00, with 37361 points after 12350 turns and 2:00:13.
23:25:39 <gammafunk> oh
23:25:48 <gammafunk> hrm, yeah this was two sources of damage
23:25:56 <gammafunk> sdam is only the monster that did the killing blow, right?
23:26:10 <gammafunk> so I think it's just the frog, but the leech landed a huge hit
23:26:28 <gammafunk> anyhow they were both adjacent because I let them since I'm like "eh, I'll just bolt of cold this stuff"
23:27:08 <gammafunk> next KoIE we'll just remember that we're v. squishy; not sure if I'd drop the enhancer and use a buckler
23:27:40 <gammafunk> I did have a ring of ice, but the conj staff is very nice
23:28:02 <gammafunk> also put 5.6 into shields not realized staves are 2h :(
23:29:48 <gammafunk> mabye we'll do KoFE instead
23:30:05 <gammafunk> my BaNe was basically an IE anyhow
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