00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:06 gammafunk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_3d1x2VPxk 00:00:30 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:01:40 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:45 -!- kdrnic__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:30 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:13:47 -!- meatpath has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:49 @??cave roach 00:15:49 unknown monster: "cave roach" 00:15:51 ?/cockroach 00:15:52 Matching terms (1): giant_cockroach; entries (2): joke[8] | S[2] 00:15:56 @??giant cockroach 00:15:56 giant cockroach (07s) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-6 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 2 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 2 | Sz: little | Int: animal. 00:16:55 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:30 minmay, neat 00:18:41 ??tyrant leech 00:18:41 tyrant leech[1/1]: A swamp monster with a vampiric attack. Called a giant leech in 0.18-. 00:19:42 -!- kdrnic__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:20:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:22:03 gammafunk, Rast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeCP6LteWJo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCQ6-YhIa1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h48zphIHqck 00:24:58 you've rickrolled me for the last time, duvessa 00:25:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1741-gc9b17de: Mention hitting Esc in name select (Oliverkatt) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c9b17de5ba16 00:25:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1742-g333ee72: Remove old references to searching (Oliverkatt) 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/333ee727db60 00:26:47 gammafunk: that's what you think 00:27:47 oh no, he's a wiki reader! 00:27:47 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:27:57 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:29:14 hrm 00:29:21 !source elephant_slug.png 00:29:22 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/animals/elephant_slug.png 00:29:24 dang 00:29:44 we thought it was extinct... 00:30:24 !tell brannock the main reason the last attempt to get dcss on steam sort of faded away is that people were concerned about how little maintenance/ui love went into the local tiles version - wanted to make the best first impression. idk if that should be a blocker, but looking around local tiles and trying to clean things up might be good 00:30:25 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let brannock know. 00:30:40 wow, surprised that fit under the character limit 00:30:42 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:30:47 limitless 00:30:48 Brannock: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:31:21 have steam just point to CJR for graphical play 00:31:23 well I think following the principles of open development, growing the playerbase also grows the amount of potential contributors. but yes, local tiles could use a brushup 00:31:24 remove local tiles 00:31:29 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1740-g0bcaf2e (34) 00:33:01 gammafunk: that was nrook's argument, except i think he also wanted to remove local console 00:33:24 perhaps obvious, but removing local play would be a brutal blow to the playerbase 00:33:47 nrook approval is supposed to be used to support doing the *opposite* of what he suggests 00:33:53 ah 00:33:54 :) 00:34:50 !source lava_orc.png 00:34:51 Can't find lava_orc.png. 00:34:54 hrm 00:34:59 that's a shame 00:36:41 there's a bug in webtiles but *not* in local tiles, where pressing ^ as an atheist gets the religion window to momentarily flicker onscreen before instructing the player that they are not religious 00:36:55 typo in RandomTiles.rc: "ghost crap" 00:36:56 I can't figure out why this would be different between the two. 00:37:00 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:37:34 I have been seeing things like that playing webtiles locally 00:37:42 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:37:55 relatedly, you briefly get a look at an empty dungeon before the player selection screen comes up 00:38:15 (that one does sort of make sense, at least) 00:38:46 anyway it is not at all surprising there are differences between local tiles and webtiles 00:38:53 they are *very* different 00:43:31 @??iron elemental 00:43:31 iron elemental (10E) | Spd: 6 | HD: 12 | HP: 93-126 | AC/EV: 20/2 | Dam: 40 | 11non-living, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 892 | Sp: iron shot (3d24) [06!sil], metal splinters (3d27) [06!sil], slow [06!sil] | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 00:47:36 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:46 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:06 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:51:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:23 and in fact the cause of your bug is pretty obvious once you look at the code. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/main.cc#L2191 00:53:36 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:54:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:55:30 Brannock: ^ 00:55:40 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 00:55:49 I feel ashamed for not catching that 00:56:00 -!- dolemite99 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:56:44 looks like a sequencing error, though I'm far too drunk right now to analyze it 00:56:52 -!- asdfe345234 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:56:58 I feel ashamed for the *felid* being *advertised* on the *home page of crawl* on *reddit* 00:57:05 haha 00:57:14 give me more 320x192 images 00:57:18 and I'll set up a randomizer 00:57:38 Going to bring this atrocity to the attention of Chairman Lasty at the next meeting of the REMOVE FELIDS committee 00:57:39 well it's a matter of putting the display and the "clear" (redraw) in the same place, which makes perfect sense. the problem being that the function that loads it up normally can simply abort without doing so 00:58:18 Brannock: you could use the official splash art together with selections form the cwz album 00:58:23 *from 00:58:32 I use that for my stream 00:58:39 good idea 00:59:06 geekosaur, would an if-atheist handle this? 00:59:10 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:59:56 that's one way to do it; another is to push that window opening down into describe_god() after the religion check 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:27 which is not ideal from the standpoint of opening and closing it in the same place, but it's not like the crawl codebase is at all consistent there anyway 01:00:42 I'd prefer to err towards consistency than away from it 01:00:43 (see the recent bug with showing other levels...) 01:03:18 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:22 @??ragged hierophant 01:03:22 ragged hierophant (13p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 97-134 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 1042 | Sp: injury bond, resonance strike (3d9+) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:03:28 oh that reminds me 01:03:38 !tell PleasingFungus What's the problem with resonance strike flavouring? 01:03:39 Brannock: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:04:52 !source ancestor.png 01:04:53 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/nonliving/ancestor.png 01:05:01 -!- kdrnic__ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:10 hrm 01:05:16 !source hexer.png 01:05:17 Can't find hexer.png. 01:05:32 weird 01:05:55 !source ancestor_hexer.png 01:05:56 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/nonliving/ancestor_hexer.png 01:05:57 oh I see 01:05:57 yeah 01:06:02 just found it in mon data 01:06:06 not really interesting on its own 01:06:25 ancestor_knight could use a more exciting tile, maybe..? 01:06:36 I think battlemage and hexer are perfectly fine atm 01:06:36 already have entries for the others, so I'll just ommit plain ancestor 01:06:38 in both looks and mechanics 01:06:43 battlemage needs to be renamed to reaver! 01:06:53 traumaturge, surely 01:06:56 such grunt_lang-isms must not be allowed 01:07:42 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:08:10 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:08:12 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:52 while you're at it, considered renaming the god not to sound like a hissing felid? >.> 01:10:01 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1742-g333ee72 (34) 01:10:37 are there actually any hissing sounds in "Hepliaklqana"? 01:10:51 !source ghost.png 01:10:52 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/undead/ghost.png 01:11:13 what a masterpiece 01:11:19 that one is for buggy stuff iirc 01:11:31 !source player_ghost.png 01:11:32 Can't find player_ghost.png. 01:11:55 hrm 01:11:55 I wonder if anyone's still playing Eringya versions 01:12:02 we have a vine-covered_golem.png 01:12:10 but Eringya's Bountiful Garden was removed some versions ago 01:12:13 shoudl be removed, yeah 01:12:20 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:21 !source player.png 01:13:22 Can't find player.png. 01:13:58 oh 01:14:02 03Brannock02 07* 0.19-a0-1743-g6dcb786: Fully remove an Eringya leftover 10(32 seconds ago, 2 files, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6dcb7864a8ea 01:14:08 that's the tilesheet 01:14:53 hissing and spitting really 01:15:20 I always figured hissing/spitting was more 'z', 's', and 'r' sounds, but as a deaf person I am obviously not an authority 01:15:29 http://cowmuffins.net/crawl-sound/fire_storm.wav http://cowmuffins.net/crawl-sound/glaciate.wav http://cowmuffins.net/crawl-sound/shatter.wav 01:17:25 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:32 -!- kdrnic__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:20:12 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1742-g333ee72 (34) 01:20:20 -!- wwwn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:22:11 -!- espais has left ##crawl-dev 01:25:34 ??fustibalus[3 01:25:34 fustibalus[3/3]: http://www.encasedinsteel.co.uk/2013/05/24/the-mighty-staff-sling/ 01:25:47 notable in here 01:25:50 "Loch Lomond" 01:25:52 @??lom lobon 01:25:53 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 296-463 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11001 | Sp: conjure ball lightning [06!sil], glaciate (10-132) [06!sil], tornado [06!sil], major healing (50-240) [06!sil], blink ran.. 01:26:22 a reward to the first player to slay Lom Lobon with a fustibalus 01:27:34 someone trying to remember the new name in ##crawl reached for "fistula" first >.> 01:28:03 https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/b1/92/f6/b192f6a3c88db6e95b2d8490cede696e.jpg 01:29:33 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:43 The Shining One blesses your greatsling. It becomes a fistula! 01:30:00 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:30:03 that seems like more of a xom thing 01:30:05 Edmund McMillen would be proud 01:30:09 minmay: http://webzook.net:8080/static/soundpatch/effect_data/common/shatter.ogg http://webzook.net:8080/static/soundpatch/effect_data/common/tornado.ogg 01:30:53 wish that folder just allowed directory listing 01:31:39 iirc we had an outstanding request to give all four Hell branches longnames like Dis has 01:31:50 don't they already? 01:31:55 Frozen Wastes of Cocytus, and I can't remember the other two 01:32:01 decaying netherworlds of tartarus 01:32:11 fiery something of gehenna 01:32:11 ty 01:32:23 They don't currently, it's just Dis thats' consistently referenced as "Iron City of" 01:32:27 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:32:30 I think all four have the longnames referenced in xv 01:32:36 Might be something I'll fix 01:32:52 tornado should really have a looping sound while active 01:34:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:36:00 should have songs for all the different branches 01:36:00 it should loop this sound for tornado http://webzook.net:8080/static/soundpatch/effect_data/common/fall.ogg 01:36:21 ontoclasm: agreed 01:36:33 pirate song for shoals 01:36:46 I know someone who might (emphasis) be interested in doing chiptunes 01:36:53 but it's secondhand 01:37:18 if sound is gonna become a real thing for Crawl then I'll get in touch with Akash 01:37:21 ontoclasm: it sort does have a theme for each branch in that they all have like a 10 second sound when you enter the branch 01:37:36 he finished a speech recently about Hyper Light Drifter I think 01:37:51 lair is a bunch of jungle sounds, spider is really weird insect chirping 01:38:24 zot doesn't have any circus music, sadly 01:38:41 spiders are not exactly known for their sounds 01:38:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6fJUolFYUs 01:39:02 it actually sounds kind of like that 01:39:32 shoals theme http://www.cowmuffins.net/priv/drq-joll.xm.mp3 01:39:50 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 01:39:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:40:06 sounds almost like farm music 01:41:28 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:08 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:44:58 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:46:02 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:46:17 for zot music you can't go wrong with http://www.cowmuffins.net/priv/circus_experience.xm.mp3 01:51:06 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:53:17 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:49 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:13 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:57:00 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1743-g6dcb786 01:57:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:57 CanOfWorms: I'm saving a bunch of the CWZ gifs for the mini-window in my next stream, felid included 02:03:05 also this on: http://i.imgur.com/G03grWG.gif 02:03:24 heh 02:03:32 @??stone giant 02:03:33 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 76-103 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | XP: 1418 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 02:05:16 -!- kdrnic__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:57 oh this is a good one too, took me a sec to figure out: http://i.imgur.com/mbJ9yjn.gif 02:08:15 ah, the bullet hell branch of dungeon crawl 02:08:54 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:09:52 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1743-g6dcb786 (34) 02:13:07 18<Brannock> a reward to the first player to slay Lom Lobon with a fustibalus 02:13:18 I just found a +11 fustibalus so better get it ready 02:13:25 excellent . . . 02:13:41 ...splat in 3, 2... 02:16:00 good depths entry: https://65.media.tumblr.com/b8728ee10ff4513aac96a41262c68e70/tumblr_o9pr9neHsX1s5ko3jo1_540.png 02:17:15 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:47 In your confused state, you trip and fall back down the stairs. You have escaped! 02:18:25 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:19:05 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:57 -!- kdrnic__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:23:51 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:38 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:35:18 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:35:44 -!- kdrnic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:30 -!- kdrnic has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:47:46 -!- kdrnic__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:50:59 -!- kdrnic_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:51:54 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:52:47 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:54:25 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1743-g6dcb786 02:57:18 -!- scotchmint has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:01 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:21 -!- kdrnic__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:04:03 -!- Menche has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:15 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:25:28 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:27:05 -!- filthy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:27:51 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1743-g6dcb786 (34) 03:28:18 !source megabat.png 03:28:19 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/vault/megabat.png 03:28:36 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:29:35 -!- mong has quit [Quit: nuuuuuuuu] 03:30:06 -!- filthy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:33:40 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:34:20 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:35:36 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:37:01 -!- Zeor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:37:43 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:49:17 ??zonguldruk 03:49:17 zonguldruk ~ zonguldrok[1/1]: You either want {sword of zonguldrok} or {zonguldrok's shrine}. 03:49:24 ??zonguldruk's shrine 03:49:24 zonguldruk's shrine ~ zonguldrok's shrine[1/1]: Boring zombies and skeletons slowly replace all of the gravestones over time: once they're all gone, pass through the new door and a few skeletal warriors to find Zonguldrok's tombstone, which then is replaced with an antique lich when you go for the loot. 03:52:52 should we remove donald's lines about jellies eating things? 03:52:53 amalloy: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 03:53:04 or do we still want those as some kind of jiyva hint 03:53:09 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:10 also i'm not sure what "I keep getting this feeling like someone's watching me. Creepy." has to do with the pits of slime 03:55:14 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:57:52 eyeballs 03:58:07 after all there's no monster with eyeballs in any other branch 03:59:04 ah. it makes me think of ghost moths 03:59:43 the line probably predates those 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:19 -!- sooheon has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:18:48 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:23:09 -!- vermi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:28:12 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:34:02 -!- cait_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:34:37 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:39:44 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:54:28 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:16 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:04:16 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:06:10 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:09:01 -!- AltReality has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:10:34 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:14:24 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:25:22 -!- Elitist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:30:38 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:35:25 -!- airwolf has quit [Client Quit] 05:43:02 -!- atomicthumbs has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:44:17 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:45:26 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:47:17 -!- MaBunny is now known as ByteStorm 05:54:36 -!- hpm_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:55:33 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:57:30 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:35 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:07:42 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:14:28 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15:42 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Client Quit] 06:15:56 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:24 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:22:40 -!- Heartnet has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:59 Hey guys 06:23:27 What would you recommend the amount of space to allot for crawl on the linux vb 06:32:55 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:45:08 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:38 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:52 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:06 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:57:52 -!- cait_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:18 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:11:48 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:18 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:15:39 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 07:39:16 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Reverie 07:50:54 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:08:55 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:55 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 08:08:55 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 08:09:34 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11:20 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:27 Experimental (adrenaline_rush) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1636-g6bceca2 08:27:10 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Reverie 08:32:28 -!- ByteStorm is now known as MaBunny-afaik 08:38:19 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:48:55 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:27 Hello 08:51:37 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:52:53 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:57:57 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:59:45 03Lasty02 07[adrenaline_rush] * 0.19-a0-1637-gc13f225: Add smooth scaling to the Desperate Haste xp calculations 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c13f225e38ca 09:01:15 Experimental (adrenaline_rush) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1637-gc13f225 09:11:18 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:15:03 -!- MaBunny-afaik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:39:24 -!- anon is now known as Guest94038 09:42:24 -!- Guest94038 has quit [Client Quit] 09:49:42 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:55:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:57:30 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:18 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:03:11 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:05:37 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:08:05 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:18 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:52 Victory by tripping 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10708 by PleasingFungus 10:18:37 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:09 Fan of Gales should disperse clouds from under the player 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10709 by PleasingFungus 10:29:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:34:14 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:35:46 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:43 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:38:42 -!- Zxpr2jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:07 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:49 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:43:51 -!- ElanMorin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 10:45:00 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:49:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:22 -!- cait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:00:11 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:15 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:12 -!- Heartnet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:14:26 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:11 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:16:16 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:21:58 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:25:06 -!- AndChat|179025 has quit [Client Quit] 11:37:10 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:40:06 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:43:16 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:47:17 -!- atomicthumbs has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:49:42 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:50:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:54:38 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:43 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:59 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:59:18 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:59:30 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:54 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:07:58 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:09:01 New branch created: beckoning (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/beckoning 12:09:01 03PleasingFungus02 07[beckoning] * 0.19-a0-1743-g89f6cfd: Deduplicate player::is_habitable_feat() 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/89f6cfde636a 12:09:01 03PleasingFungus02 07[beckoning] * 0.19-a0-1744-g3e6ee8e: New spell: Lesser Beckoning (L3 Tloc) 10(5 minutes ago, 8 files, 110+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3e6ee8ec1322 12:09:15 oops 12:10:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1744-g44f2206: Deduplicate player::is_habitable_feat() 10(40 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44f22066b61d 12:11:59 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:34 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:12 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19:22 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:29:54 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:31:22 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:31:29 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:32:19 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:41:21 -!- drachereborn has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:49 doesn't lesser beckoning imply there is a greater one? 12:47:58 yes 12:48:59 oh, it's a monster spell, nm i hate this spell 12:51:38 -!- AndChat|179025 has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:51:40 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:54:07 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:08 The build passed. (beckoning - 3e6ee8e #6838 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/164284277 12:54:08 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:54:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:46 -!- protopulse has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:42 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:26 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:22 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:32 03CoreyK02 {Lasty} 07* 0.19-a0-1745-gad64241: Shell for the god Wudzu (name subject to change I very much hope) 10(3 days ago, 17 files, 86+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ad64241cbe99 13:03:32 03CoreyK02 {Lasty} 07* 0.19-a0-1746-g24b151c: Thorn body armour when worshipping Wudzu 10(2 days ago, 6 files, 55+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/24b151cb7652 13:03:32 03CoreyK02 {Lasty} 07* 0.19-a0-1747-g47d1c54: at * wudzu worshippers get the equivalent of spiny 1 10(2 days ago, 5 files, 16+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/47d1c5407410 13:03:32 03CoreyK02 {Lasty} 07* 0.19-a0-1748-g539bf7f: 3* wudzu ability: summon vines 10(2 days ago, 7 files, 52+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/539bf7f864be 13:03:32 03CoreyK02 {Lasty} 07* 0.19-a0-1749-gf7ff26a: 5* wudzu ability: briar patch 10(2 days ago, 7 files, 56+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f7ff26afa2de 13:03:32 03CoreyK02 {Lasty} 07* 0.19-a0-1750-g2476d88: aux armour thorns, 2* and 4* 10(2 days ago, 13 files, 860+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2476d8830ac1 13:03:32 03CoreyK02 {Lasty} 07* 0.19-a0-1751-g61e4b27: wudzu wrath 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 133+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/61e4b27bcd56 13:03:32 03CoreyK02 {Lasty} 07* 0.19-a0-1752-gb0f0fea: wudzu description and ability key adjustments 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 15+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b0f0fea98c25 13:03:41 ah crap 13:03:45 didn't mean to push that to master 13:03:47 reverting 13:04:26 oops 13:07:06 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:07:06 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1744-g44f2206 (34) 13:08:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:11 double oops??? 13:08:29 oh the rebuild didn't catch it at least 13:09:13 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1744-g44f2206 (34) 13:12:08 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:23 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:12:32 good time to crash 13:13:06 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:15:01 gah, who just rebuilt servers?? 13:15:26 they didn't catch it luckily 13:15:37 Lasty: those rebuilds didn't include your changes, it looks like 13:15:48 %git 44f2206 13:15:48 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1744-g44f2206: Deduplicate player::is_habitable_feat() 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44f22066b61d 13:16:48 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:52 i think some server or other rebuilds every 15 minutes though, not sure if it's one of those two 13:17:07 <|amethyst> CPO does I think 13:17:20 cpo builds like every 5 seconds IME 13:18:32 whew 13:18:37 <|amethyst> %git 13:18:37 07CoreyK02 {Lasty} * 0.19-a0-1752-gb0f0fea: wudzu description and ability key adjustments 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 15+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b0f0fea98c25 13:19:56 having trouble reverting? 13:20:02 <|amethyst> so, is someone going to force push that back? 13:20:25 |amethyst: might be better to just commit a revert. it's been minutes now, not seconds 13:21:07 which i can do; i just thought lasty was 13:21:30 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:21:46 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:56 qI'm reverting 13:22:06 and I'm having trouble, yeah. I was trying to revert all at once 13:22:11 I should probably just revert individually 13:22:27 i'll do it all at once, np 13:22:31 thank you 13:22:34 are you just going to force push? 13:22:36 no 13:23:09 after you finish, could you let me know which approach you used? I'd appreciate the info. 13:24:43 <|amethyst> git revert -n 44f2206..HEAD ; git commit -m $'Revert accidental Wudzu import.\n\nBroke save compat.' 13:24:55 |amethyst: ah, nice 13:25:08 I didn't realize I could do version..version 13:25:13 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1753-g8ae7a5b: Revert accidental commit of wudzu 10(7 seconds ago, 30 files, 14+ 1251-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ae7a5b5c8d7 13:25:27 much appreciated, folks 13:25:28 $ git checkout 44f22066b61d037445221e58f87b4e6f3642ecff -- . 13:25:31 sorry about that 13:25:36 $ git commit -m "Revert accidental commit of wudzu" 13:25:52 <|amethyst> you can do it with plain 'revert' without the -n too... but then you get one commit per reverted commit 13:26:20 look at those juicy millimarvins. i can't believe i asked for permission before doing that 13:26:20 ah, I see. 13:26:26 amalloy: lol 13:26:31 you're definitely the best of us 13:27:07 so here's what I meant to do 13:27:16 New branch created: thorn_god (0 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/thorn_god 13:27:17 i tried to do it with reset instead of checkout, which i feel like there is some way to do but i was doing it wrong 13:27:51 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:27:56 Longtime player MorganLeah put that together 13:28:05 nice 0 commits 13:28:14 <|amethyst> Lasty: one problem I saw was that the DNGN_ALTAR enum was added before DNGN_ENDLESS_SALT 13:28:17 oh i guess because it's all already in master? 13:28:17 yeah, thanks to my awesome deploy, it looks extra awesome 13:28:34 |amethyst: ah, bad news 13:28:53 <|amethyst> Lasty: which was probably a result of starting from a version before that was added, then merging or rebasing 13:28:58 There might be other things that need resolution. I'm gonna do some checking through. 13:31:05 03neofelis02 {MarvinPA} 07* 0.19-a0-1754-g89de447: Make silencable abilities display correctly in xv, for real. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 37+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/89de447d15c3 13:31:18 nice, i almost just closed my own mantis issue with "fixed, thanks for reporting!" 13:31:51 that MarvinPA is a real hard worker 13:32:02 03Lasty02 07[thorn_god] * 0.19-a0-1753-g4d27689: Fix compatibility w/ salt (|amethyst) 10(51 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d27689e5613 13:33:01 !tell johnstein Thanks again for the desperate haste branch. If you're still in a branching mood, MorganLeah put together a new god branch which I put up as thorn_god. Would you be interested in hosting that too? 13:33:03 Lasty: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 13:33:47 -!- AndChat|179025 has quit [Client Quit] 13:34:06 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:34:25 Lasty: should be able to get to that in the next few days 13:34:26 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:34:31 j 13:35:42 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:35:54 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:37:48 03Lasty02 07[thorn_god] * 0.19-a0-1754-g577b443: Re-wrap Wudzu text 10(13 seconds ago, 2 files, 37+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/577b443e0989 13:39:00 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:54 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:40:25 -!- Elitist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:40:26 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:43:54 spanner (L15 HOBe) ASSERT(load_mode != LOAD_VISITOR) in 'files.cc' at line 1278 failed. (D:255) 13:44:45 -!- zewo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:45:11 johnstein: Thanks! 13:50:33 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:58 03Lasty02 07[thorn_god] * 0.19-a0-1755-g5dd3268: Checkwhite Wudzu 10(17 seconds ago, 14 files, 684+ 684-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5dd32683dc81 13:54:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:55:46 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:02 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:57 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [] 14:01:42 -!- Kranix has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:05:54 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:09:09 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1754-g89de447 (34) 14:10:50 -!- AndChat|179025 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:14:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:14:40 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:41 The build has errored. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 14:23:38 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:33:30 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:51 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:02 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:38:32 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:55 03PleasingFungus02 07[beckoning] * 0.19-a0-1745-g9d297af: Add Lesser Beckoning to books 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9d297af7fd07 14:39:54 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1755-gcdbbc62: Don't rest by clicking on stats in local tiles 10(59 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cdbbc62e1a96 14:41:41 -!- cait_m has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:42:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1756-g515da45: Remove an unnecessary mimic apportation special case 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/515da4594f72 14:42:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1757-gebd07a4: Fix branch noise messaging for branches with other entry messages 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ebd07a432357 14:42:46 oh 14:42:49 MarvinPA: that was intentional 14:43:01 re ebd07a4 14:43:06 oh, how come? 14:43:11 the intent was to allow branches to override the 'generic' noise messages with custom/flavorful ones 14:43:17 in case the message itself was about noise? 14:44:47 i guess i'd vaguely prefer just having standard messaging especially if it becomes more common, but i don't imagine it's super likely to come up either way 14:44:54 ya 14:44:56 nbd 14:45:40 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:45:56 03Brannock02 07* 0.19-a0-1758-ga95302d: Fix Hepliaklqana's name 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a95302de3997 14:46:01 Enemy summoned spellcasters will happily kill their summoners with bolt spells 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10710 by jwoodward48ss 14:46:02 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:46:35 Brannock: oh, good catch! 14:49:49 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:17 MarvinPA: while you're around (?), did you see my very exciting spell branch 14:54:30 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:54:34 PleasingFungus, apparently the only place that actually mattered was the ^ screen 14:54:40 sounds right 14:54:41 also, I sent a message last night curious about resonance strike flavoring 14:54:48 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:54:50 ? 14:54:56 i did have a quick look at it yeah, was trying to think of a spell that could be removed for it to replace :P 14:54:59 haha 14:55:22 why do we always have to remove things... gell's gravitas is the obvious choice if you must, but idk that it really needs a removal? 14:55:22 you mentioned something yesterday afternoon about resonance strike flavor being confusing for players 14:55:23 maybe gell's for still just being v. weird, although it doesn't fit in the AM book so much 14:55:32 yeah, it's not an AM spell 14:55:38 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:55:47 a little weird that Wr would start with no spell also 14:56:03 not that apport was actually good in that role 14:56:57 hrm, is spatial transloc their starting book? i thought... 14:57:00 ??spatial translocations 14:57:01 book of spatial translocations[1/1]: Apportation, Portal Projectile, Blink, Shroud of Golubria, Teleport Other, Passage of Golubria 14:57:02 yeah 14:57:04 ??warper 14:57:04 warper[1/1]: A hybrid class focused around translocations. Starts with a choice of weapons, some tomahawks of dispersal, skill in fighting, a scroll of blinking and a {book of Spatial Translocations}. 14:57:07 weird 14:57:11 i grepped around but didn't see it 14:57:24 oh 14:57:30 that's because it's specified by vault syntax, not enum 14:57:50 yeah, i'd probably not replace apport there in that case, not that it's *critical* for them to start with apport... 14:57:55 obviously bring back Twist 14:58:12 Brannock: the mechanic is "smiting ac-resisted attack that does more damage for each construct adjacent to the target". which is a little complicated, but i think a good theme/flavor could help 14:58:20 the current theme doesn't really! 14:58:22 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:23 "dogpile" 14:58:26 haha 14:59:04 i feel like it should work even without constructs adjacent, just so the hierophant isn't totally useless without friends... 14:59:22 It reminds me of Sandblast, actually 14:59:28 You can use ambient dust to blast 14:59:32 But it works much better with rocks 14:59:36 sure 14:59:42 s/dust/salt; s/rocks/saltlings 14:59:44 -!- MaBunny has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:54 Saltruption 14:59:59 would it stop working if you left the branch? 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:20 something generally in that direction seems good... something keying more off the earth, rather than generic power from the erath 15:00:26 earth and stone and metal 15:01:00 Desiccate 15:01:05 Clearly works better with salt adjacent 15:01:13 hrm 15:01:16 Though I'm not sure that communicates the AC resist 15:01:26 oh 15:01:26 fr: desiccated rune of Zot 15:01:37 dang, a rune in a portal branch 15:01:41 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:49 :P 15:01:56 one day?! 15:02:53 New branch created: hell-names (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/hell-names 15:02:53 03Brannock02 07[hell-names] * 0.19-a0-1759-g8409676: Formalize Hell branch longnames 10(19 seconds ago, 6 files, 26+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8409676a209d 15:03:19 I vaguely recall there was some objection to formalized names so I put this up as a branch first 15:03:44 i specifically wasn't that fond of the "Decaying Netherworld" 15:03:54 it's kind of clunky, yeah 15:04:10 all the long names are clunky 15:04:43 Good thing people readily refer to their proper names 15:05:08 crawl has a habit of using too many adjectives in general 15:05:11 they all look a bit weird to me other than Dis yeah, also capitalising them makes that even more obvious i think 15:05:49 look at how many monsters are called [adjective] [noun] when just a noun would be fine 15:06:30 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:06:41 PleasingFungus, does Hepliaklqana not have a welcome line? I don't see her entry in godspeak.txt 15:06:43 i had lots of fun with adjectives when going through monster descriptions yeah 15:06:51 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:06 Brannock: possibly not! certainly has a lot to say when you join, though 15:07:09 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:12 probably doesn't need any more spam 15:07:34 All other gods comment something to the player when they load a save 15:07:35 the vaults/salt humans are the worst offenders 15:08:24 i like the association created by the ironheart/ironbrand naming 15:08:28 I as well 15:09:10 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1758-ga95302d (34) 15:09:50 possibly also the vault guard/sentinel/warden, though my feelings about them are more mixed 15:09:58 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:10:03 the association between monsters that aren't actually associated with each other? 15:10:37 are you going to elaborate on that? 15:11:01 -!- AndChat|179025 has quit [Client Quit] 15:11:08 ironheart preservers and ironbrand convokers are nothing alike 15:11:08 -!- cait_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:09 Clearly, the two monsters who amplify and protect their allies are not associated 15:11:43 also, they both primarily spawn in vaults. 15:12:17 though certain people stuck them in other places too, vaults will always be their home. 15:12:31 home away from home 15:12:32 PleasingFungus: black mamba and spiny frog are also ostensibly exclusive to the same branch but they aren't called spiky mamba and spiny frog, and they are much more alike than preserver and convoker 15:12:38 -!- AndChat|179025 has quit [Client Quit] 15:12:39 -!- cait_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:44 so what? 15:13:15 Awkward "it" when talking about penetration 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10711 by jwoodward48ss 15:13:16 I'm just not seeing the association between these monsters that you mention, beyond "they are both humans that spawn in vaults" 15:13:28 the implication is that the ironfoos are somehow associated with each other, in some kind of organization or cult or whatever. it's not something that's very detailed, nor does it need to be. 15:13:37 but it's a nice little bit of implied theme. 15:14:23 yes, implied theme is what the preponderance of adjectives in crawl aims for. But it turns out that's difficult to do well, and IMO crawl does not do it well at all 15:14:56 in the case under discussion, i respectfully disagree. 15:15:09 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:15:24 if the devteam thinks the writing is already fine I'll drop the subject 15:16:09 there are many things which i think are underwhelming or outright bad, ala orange demons. 15:16:30 but since monsters are renamed specifically to get rid of "giant" I suspected there might be interest in improving the writing beyond that 15:16:40 minmay, would you prefer "leech" instead of "tyrant leech"? 15:16:42 as an example 15:16:51 feels like 'leech' would imply size tiny 15:16:53 (p.s. when you remove a "giant" don't replace it with another adjective) 15:16:57 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:57 Brannock: yes 15:17:19 seems a bit... bloodless 15:18:46 it's a very broguey name 15:18:48 I am also not convinced that identifying the species of lizard or gecko is better than not doing it 15:18:54 I suppose we *could* do it like this: "guard" "sentinel" "warden" "preserver" "convoker", but it reads oddly to me. The adjective gives it breadth 15:19:06 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:19:30 Brannock: that is the change I was implying, yes 15:19:48 you want just the potato, not the butter or sour cream 15:20:09 I guess frilled lizard can't be renamed to "lizard" because there are other lizards in the game 15:20:30 -!- cait_m has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:20:53 still, nobody complains about "iguana" to my knowledge 15:20:57 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:21:03 no more shield/large shield situations, please 15:21:07 bow / short bow 15:21:19 snake / small snake :P 15:21:32 I thought we were done bikeshedding for this version? 15:21:33 bow / short bow isn't a situation that's ever existed 15:21:46 Brannock: this entire conversation is bikeshedding, afaik 15:21:51 was it shortbow? 15:21:51