00:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:08 the torso is below it - you can see the front of the torso is below and right of the face, and the back is right of that 00:00:15 the legs are in the bottom right 00:00:30 i very strongly suspect that it's a minecraft character skin 00:00:35 <|amethyst> ahhh 00:00:38 <|amethyst> minecraft 00:01:02 http://i.imgur.com/HhB3L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/nO7uP.png 00:01:03 <|amethyst> because there seem to be an awful lot of those 00:01:33 minmay: i like the second one 00:01:49 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund 00:01:58 dang, good name 00:10:07 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3 (34) 00:11:04 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:12:59 RIP giant mites 00:13:11 there used to be so much early dungeon chaff 00:13:13 -!- PKrockin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:13:29 bring back giant centipedes, imo 00:13:44 also, i'm going to bring back giant centipedes 00:13:47 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:14:25 only if they repurpose kraken code to have trailing segments! 00:14:41 !!! 00:15:09 honestly, i just liked the devwiki suggestion of having a spider trampler 00:15:14 trampling into webs, you know 00:17:14 question: do spiders have water penalties? 00:18:29 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:00 crawl will be finished not when there is nothing left to take away, but when there is no monster without a 'giant' prefix in their name 00:19:22 CanOfWorms: yes, but not while clinging 00:19:27 hm 00:19:29 @??wolf spider 00:19:29 wolf spider (00s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 11 | HP: 44-65 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 25, 1508(poison:22-44) | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 565 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:19:37 hmm 00:19:37 @??emperor scorpion 00:19:37 emperor scorpion (15s) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 101-139 | AC/EV: 20/12 | Dam: 3008(poison:28-56), 1509(claw), 1509(claw) | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 1631 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 00:19:42 emp scorps don't tho 00:19:57 give spiders no shallow water penalties, then introduce... spitter spiders 00:20:28 spiders that do phial of floods attacks at the player and spawn a small pool of water 00:20:36 woah 00:20:40 !lg * won min=xl 00:20:41 46910. syllogism the Farming Englaciator (L1 HEIE of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb on 2010-01-28 14:34:12, with 250008 points after 209486 turns and 21:26:39. 00:20:50 !lg * won min=xl current 00:20:52 5595. Yermak the Spry (L16 SpWr of Dithmenos), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-05-22 16:45:03, with 2430297 points after 28165 turns and 2:54:15. 00:20:58 that's from when xl drain still existed, right 00:21:05 !log * won min=xl 00:21:06 46910. syllogism, XL1 HEIE, T:209486: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/syllogism/morgue-syllogism-20100128-143412.txt 00:21:07 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:21:10 !lg pedritolo won min=xl 00:21:11 16. pedritolo the Jinx (L10 SpEn of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-08-17 23:47:39, with 1887286 points after 35720 turns and 6:04:50. 00:21:15 -1 HP 00:21:19 !lg pedritolo won min=xl x=cv 00:21:20 16. [cv=0.17] pedritolo the Jinx (L10 SpEn of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-08-17 23:47:39, with 1887286 points after 35720 turns and 6:04:50. 00:21:21 !lg pedritolo won min=xl -log 00:21:22 16. pedritolo, XL10 SpEn, T:35720: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/pedritolo/morgue-pedritolo-20160817-234739.txt 00:21:37 minmay found this 00:21:39 You drop the ring of Skinn {AC+7 EV+2 Int+3, was cursed, was cursed, was cursed}. 00:21:54 Enter note: It can also be done at lev 9, but it's a bit of a pain... 00:23:16 used a whip twice. wonder what, and why 00:23:54 just a casual "this isnt even my best shot" 00:24:23 it was a whip of electrocution I'm guessingn? 00:24:38 transfer knowledge should add a log entry 00:25:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:27 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:25:33 !seen pedritolo 00:25:33 I last saw pedritolo at Tue Jan 5 00:37:01 2016 UTC (36w 1d 3h 48m 31s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client'. 00:29:28 orb spider suggestion: make them cast orb of electrocution instead of orb of destruction 00:29:45 orb of fragmentation, imo 00:29:47 <_< 00:30:35 better gameplay, keeps the pun, and now rElec is better than rPois in both poison branches instead of just the one 00:31:22 doesn't spider have spark wasps 00:31:29 I'm 100% serious here 00:31:33 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3 (34) 00:32:05 oh hey it does 00:32:13 i know you are 00:32:16 do it anyway 00:32:19 nah 00:33:33 i'd prefer another resistance to replace rpois in a S branch, not just be added on top of 00:33:48 rpois isn't actually important in spider 00:34:02 also, orb spiders still have keep-at-range which is really annoying 00:34:07 of course 00:34:07 yes 00:34:33 spider has almost no direct poison damage 00:34:57 I agree you can survive spider just fine without rpois but doing so is much slower 00:36:38 add a mezmerising spider... 00:36:48 shoals is already MR branch :P 00:36:59 I thought that was snake 00:37:02 where's MS branch? 00:37:12 FR: add quicksilver dragons to snake:$ 00:37:17 convert volcano and icecave into a combined 'land of ice and fire' branch 00:37:24 @??greater naga 00:37:24 greater naga (13N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 15 | HP: 71-97 | AC/EV: 8/9 | Dam: 27, 703(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 03poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 1892 | Sp: spit poison (d22) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.venom (3d19), mystic blast (3d19), poison arrow (3d22), teleport other, haste | Sz: Large | Int: human. 00:37:26 @??quicksilver dragon 00:37:26 quicksilver dragon (11D) | Spd: 15 | HD: 16 | HP: 76-104 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 25, 2009(claw) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(140), 12drown | XP: 2543 | Sp: b.quicksilver (3d20) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 00:37:36 based on the opinion of the player base, what spider really needs is a mutating spider 00:37:40 dang, not much xp difference 00:37:42 weird 00:37:53 the spider bites you! your body twists and deform. 00:37:55 interesting idea... sputtercasting for malmutate 00:37:57 _you can now shoot web. 00:38:06 <|amethyst> I was about to say 00:38:14 <|amethyst> I see Marvel lawsuits in our future 00:38:46 we already have spider form... 00:38:48 a jumping spider unique 00:38:52 i guess that's a little different 00:39:02 that can smack talk the player 00:39:28 "Just your friendly neighbourhood jumping spider!" 00:39:59 FR: spider draconians with web breath 00:42:03 http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Absolute_Leap 00:42:20 there's a wiki for superhero powers, and powers are divided into power levels 00:42:30 jumping.... 00:43:00 a sentence from the last survey that is perhaps a bit misleading: "the win rate among all online players is 37.4%" 00:43:21 i read that and was like, wow, the game must have gotten a lot harder since then 00:44:11 haha 00:44:36 !won * cv=0.18 00:44:38 !won * cv=0.17 00:44:40 (what is meant is that 37.4% of online players have won, ever) 00:44:41 * (cv=0.18) has won 2238 times in 240786 games (0.93%): 147xMiFi 140xMiBe 91xGrFi 72xHOFi 49xDDFi 38xMiGl 37xGrBe 37xHOGl 36xDsGl 31xFoFi 30xTrMo 28xGrEE 25xGrGl 24xDsFi 24xSpEn 20xDsBe 20xGhMo 19xDEFE 17xMfGl 16xVSMo 15xDrTm 15xMiMo 14xCeHu 14xNaFi 13xDEWz 13xDsMo 13xHOBe 13xOgBe 13xVSFi 12xDDAr 11xDDBe 11xDECj 11xDsAK 11xKoMo 11xVpEn 10xDsFE 10xGhAK 10xGrMo 10xHaAs 10xOgSu 9xCeAr 9xCeNe 9xDsWn 9... 00:44:48 * (cv=0.17) has won 2759 times in 313725 games (0.88%): 137xMiFi 133xMiBe 113xGrFi 46xDsGl 46xHOFi 44xDDFi 44xMiGl 44xTrMo 41xGrBe 36xDEFE 36xSpEn 34xHOGl 33xFoFi 33xVSMo 32xGrEE 32xGrGl 25xMfGl 25xVpEn 24xHOBe 23xGhMo 21xCeHu 21xDECj 20xDsFi 19xDEWz 19xOgHu 17xMiMo 17xOgBe 17xTrHu 16xVSAs 15xDrCj 15xDsBe 15xDsWn 13xDrTm 13xDsMo 13xKoBe 13xOpTm 13xVSBe 12xGrWz 12xKoAs 12xMfBe 12xVSFi 11xFeSk 11xKo... 00:45:06 can you measure the win rate for active players with sequell? 00:45:16 "active"? 00:45:22 me http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Supernatural_Beauty 00:45:25 in 'current' 00:45:31 !won * current 00:45:37 * (current) has won 5595 times in 581641 games (0.96%): 274xMiFi 238xMiBe 194xGrFi 145xHOFi 135xDDFi 135xDsGl 110xFoFi 95xMiGl 81xDsFi 74xGrBe 69xVSFi 67xHOGl 59xTrMo 58xGrEE 57xGrGl 55xDEFE 53xMfGl 49xDrTm 47xDsBe 47xSpEn 45xGhMo 40xMiMo 40xVSMo 37xDsWn 36xDECj 35xCeHu 35xDsMo 35xOpWn 30xVpEn 29xOpTm 28xHOBe 28xVSBe 27xDsAK 27xDsAr 25xDDAr 25xNaFi 25xNaWn 25xOgBe 25xOgHu 24xTrFi 23xDDBe 23xDrFi 2... 00:45:51 if you mean, how many players have won ever, not easily 00:45:53 I meant like the survey talks about win rate 00:45:57 wlel, hm 00:46:01 actually yes 00:46:12 !lg * current won x=cdist(name) 00:46:13 5595 games for * (current won): cdist(name)=1426 00:46:16 !lg * current x=cdist(name) 00:46:21 581641 games for * (current): cdist(name)=11451 00:46:42 of 11451 "active" "players", 1426 have won 00:47:02 <|amethyst> have won the current version 00:47:16 <|amethyst> I have won but am not among the 1426 00:47:39 so I guess non-winners were only about 1/3rd as likely as winners to complete the survey -- assuming winrate is about the same, and assuming my maths is not atrocious 00:47:46 dangerous 00:48:12 !lg |amethyst won x=cv 00:48:13 3. [cv=0.16] neil the End of an Era (L27 HOCK of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-16 00:05:52, with 1719705 points after 66461 turns and 3:18:10. 00:48:23 <|amethyst> !lg . won s=cv 00:48:23 3 games for |amethyst (won): 0.9, 0.16, 0.10-a 00:48:24 !lg * cv>=0.16 won x=cdist(name) 00:48:25 maybe non-winners also lied. we know losers are not to be trusted 00:48:25 20617 games for * (cv>=0.16 won): cdist(name)=3377 00:48:31 !lg * cv>=0.16 x=cdist(name) 00:48:44 * geekosaur suspects winning is proxy for investment 00:48:50 2096728 games for * (cv>=0.16): cdist(name)=29867 00:48:53 it would be fascinating to explore the level of "offline skill inflation" (if it even exists) 00:49:08 but... I can't think of a good way to do it, beyond adding the ability to anonymously upload your logfiles 00:49:10 <|amethyst> !lg * cv>=0.10 won x=cdist(name) 00:49:12 40394 games for * (cv>=0.10 won): cdist(name)=5400 00:49:13 <|amethyst> !lg * cv>=0.10 x=cdist(name) 00:49:39 wouldn't anonymous upload be biased? 00:49:47 what would you even mean by offline skill inflation 00:49:55 4687553 games for * (cv>=0.10): cdist(name)=57343 00:50:07 <|amethyst> hm 00:50:10 opt-out would minimise the bias, but yes I'm sure it wouldn't be perfectly unbiased 00:50:17 <|amethyst> seems like current is easier 00:50:23 amalloy: people who play offline thinking or saying they're better than they are 00:50:35 man. people who play online think the same thing probably 00:50:38 "well I haven't won but I died in a zig with 3 runes once, so I'll say I've won a 3-rune game" 00:50:48 yes, but we already have the stats to measure them :) 00:50:49 heh 00:51:00 <|amethyst> chequers: just ask everyone in a way that lets them lie 00:51:03 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:51:04 online players would say the same thing though in the survey 00:51:21 <|amethyst> chequers: then compare reported rate for online-only players to actual rate for online-only players 00:51:29 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:51:30 clever 00:51:53 of course, if the numbers above are true, there's bias in that winners will fill out the survey more 00:51:56 <|amethyst> it's like how the IRS audits taxes on tips 00:52:16 stats is so dang hard 00:52:20 <|amethyst> they don't know about the amount of cash tips, but they can take the information from credit card tips and extrapolate 00:52:57 but what if i tip more when i'm using a CC because it doesn't feel like real money? 00:53:15 <|amethyst> yeah, I suspect it is not quite accurate 00:53:20 you'd better phone up the IRS 00:55:58 i'll just bring it up when they audit me for this huge influx of crawl-dev income this year 00:56:05 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:57:42 I'd like to see whatever IVAN could offer be implemented into DCSS, though the general concept for IVAN might not exactly mesh with the goals of DCSS. Perhaps a different game mode. 00:57:57 i... i gotta respect someone who would suggest adding IVAN features into other games... 00:58:51 limb removal.. 00:58:59 finally, the player and krakens are on equal footing. 00:59:10 weaponized vomit 00:59:17 naga? 00:59:25 yellow drac? 00:59:36 ommel cerumen! 00:59:39 pokemon has a monster that attacks by everting its intestines at enemies. why can't we? 00:59:43 limb removal also exists in crawl (ru) 00:59:58 isn't that just appendage removal 00:59:59 not limb removal 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:17 russian uses the same word for 'hand' and 'arm' 01:00:31 well, what exactly are you going to do with a handless arm? 01:00:59 that and you can still wield a shield with an arm, ergo you are actually sacrificing the arm 01:01:09 it's just incredibly annoying to put it on/remove it 01:05:35 Stable (0.18) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18.1-50-g88ac8fd 01:05:55 fr: sacrifice foot 01:06:33 i feel like that's sort of getting into chei's territory 01:06:38 yeah it was a joke 01:06:43 not obvious enough sadly 01:06:47 fr; sacrifice head 01:07:04 finally, crawl references vecna 01:07:44 (the question is what would happen if you were playing an octopode) 01:09:49 Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18.1-50-g88ac8fd (34) 01:12:45 Lightli: sac head is stepping on trog's toes 01:13:05 not if it's the physical head rather than just the brain! 01:16:09 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:16:54 it's weird to think that future new roguelike players won't have had experienced even a little bit of the PC dungeon crawler tradition (wizardry, might and magic, ultima, et al) 01:17:16 was reviewing Crawl fixedarts when I realized a lot of their flavor is very reminiscient of M&M artefacts 01:17:29 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:17:42 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Client Quit] 01:18:33 i can't remember any pc dungeon crawlers i played before i got into rogue 01:19:15 i haven't played any of those 01:19:39 maybe this came sooner than I thought..! 01:19:43 https://docs.google.com/a/bluebottle.net.au/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScJuQWMNx0v0yFMHyE4kx9uiTp3mpentPz6LdcAz4KrzA7ciA/viewform 01:19:45 I don't mean to imply it's a bad thing 01:19:52 little preview of the WIP 01:19:59 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3 (34) 01:19:59 i played grimrock 1 01:20:07 i played HoMM, but not M&M 01:20:26 I'd love some help getting this in order, if anyone has the time 01:20:44 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:20:52 e.g., from M&M7: Ania Selving, relic Crossbow, Master smith Ivan Selving named 01:20:52 this crossbow after his only daughter Ania, calling it his second best creation 01:20:52 ever. 01:20:55 chequers: imo "won a game", not "won the game" 01:21:12 homm was good 01:21:53 i think you could thin out some of the options in "how often do you play". like "daily" and "several times a week" are basically the same 01:21:59 https://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/937195-might-and-magic-millennium-edition/faqs/25977 ctrl+f "Artifacts & Relics", compare to weapons like Pun 01:22:53 ? 01:23:06 nothing's leaping out to me, tbh 01:23:17 i like the "how far have you gotten" choices, except i don't think we need three different options for "i've won". personally i wouldn't mention how many runes you've won with at all, but if you must then i don't think the 4-14 slot is needed; 3 vs 15 is plenty 01:23:19 this is extremely a feel thing I guess 01:23:55 yeah, i wondered about that 01:24:20 "what do you like about playing online", and really any other question like that, needs an "other" box 01:24:32 so people can offer you things you haven't thought to ask about 01:24:41 note that you get put into different flows based on whether the form thinks you are a newbie/not a newbie and whether you play online/offline 01:24:58 i noticed 01:25:00 that was cool 01:25:23 makes it a little harder to provide feedback though, since i'd have to fill it out all N-many ways to see all the questions 01:25:31 so if you want thorough feedback maybe link to the flow itself somehow 01:25:40 well, give me your google email and i can add you as a collaborator 01:25:51 same as my crawl email. alan@malloys.org 01:26:04 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:28:21 added 01:28:42 one big uncertainty I have is over how to ask newbies about how they are learning the game 01:28:54 I would like to ask what resources they use, how they use them, and how they like them 01:29:05 but that's a lot of questions, potentially 01:29:19 -!- Zeor has quit [Client Quit] 01:29:48 might need to learn and write some gscript to do that properly 01:30:00 johnstein: sorry, did you ever get confirmation? 01:31:37 Ask them if they might like to install the dcss-theme browser toolbar that will help them make searches faster, speeds up browsing, and offers incredible internet deals available nowhere else! 01:32:16 <|amethyst> FR: Bonzi Buddy unique 01:32:18 chequers: how does the variable-flow stuff work? i don't see a setting for it 01:32:51 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:35:00 -!- vale_ has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:37:35 chequers: half of the the checkboxes in "What do you like about playing offline?" are phrased as "there's a thing i don't like about playing online" 01:38:03 gives the impression that we think online play is the default and offline players have to explain why they're not doing it 01:38:08 yeah... that is bad 01:38:31 the point of asking that question is to find out why offline players aren't playing online, but it shouldn't look like that :P 01:38:54 the variable flow stuff works by certain questions setting flags. Click on the first question in the survey, the flags are next to the responses 01:39:02 !lg * month s=src 01:39:03 126528 games for * (month): 36852x cwz, 31225x cao, 26954x cbro, 12240x cxc, 10252x cue, 3346x cpo, 2764x cjr, 1870x lld, 1025x cdo 01:39:15 oh, i see 01:40:15 wow, cwz is way up 01:40:21 !lg * year s=src 01:40:24 1507601 games for * (year): 369221x cao, 329709x cwz, 236645x cbro, 203391x cszo, 149072x cxc, 132225x cue, 38664x cpo, 18527x lld, 16193x cjr, 13954x cdo 01:40:36 !lg * recentish s=src 01:40:39 a little surprised crawl has caught on so strongly in Korea but not in Japan 01:40:40 2096869 games for * (recentish): 531714x cao, 401857x cwz, 354468x cszo, 298368x cbro, 192196x cxc, 166677x cue, 59954x cdo, 49056x cpo, 26386x lld, 16193x cjr 01:40:50 i assume it's one specific community 01:40:57 !lg * year s=week(start),src -graph 01:40:59 i don't think it's, like, All Of Korea or All Of Japan or w/e 01:41:00 1507600 games for * (year): https://shalott.org/graphs/ac73417e7dbf6daee92cfd89bd030f8e08ba8731.html 01:41:04 just people recommending it to people 01:41:05 Japan has a stronger roguelike tradition (afaik) 01:41:08 yeah, that must be it 01:41:12 what PF said< I mean 01:41:16 no good 01:41:27 !lg * year s=src,week(end) -graph:area 01:41:31 1507597 games for * (year): https://shalott.org/graphs/fad28b66db4606abf49ace454c0823ac20bf212a.html 01:41:53 !lg * year s=month(end),src -graph:area 01:41:53 !lg * year s=week(end),src -graph:area 01:41:56 oops 01:41:56 1507596 games for * (year): https://shalott.org/graphs/489c97878fb250d8ad03ff55bcb58fa915967519.html 01:42:00 1507596 games for * (year): https://shalott.org/graphs/82aafa8d10f512c1bbc2ab7292ee5f4d2f25f7d1.html 01:42:20 !lg * recentish s=month(end),src -graph:area 01:42:25 2096869 games for * (recentish): https://shalott.org/graphs/514d4c2d4a38779847cb8721f057722da82736cf.html 01:42:41 looks like cwz just jumped way way up this year 01:42:44 similarly, crawl has somewhat weak presence in Europe compared to America 01:42:51 wonder how long before it hits critical mass like korea did 01:43:02 yeah, maybe bots? or maybe some sort of PR 01:43:21 i'd believe iether 01:43:31 !lg * year cwz x=cdist(name) 01:43:36 329710 games for * (year cwz): cdist(name)=3671 01:43:39 korean players just know a good 로그라이크 when they see one 01:43:41 !lg * recentish !year cwz x=cdist(name) 01:43:42 72730 games for * (recentish !year cwz): cdist(name)=1315 01:43:49 way more people 01:44:08 i mean if you look at boardgame tradition a fiddly roguelike is soooo american 01:44:19 fiddly board games sound very german to me... 01:44:20 haha 01:44:25 or am I missing a joke 01:44:26 no, that's ameritrash! 01:44:34 german games are elegant 01:44:43 german board games are tightly produced gems of perfection 01:44:43 disagree 01:44:45 sometimes too elegant...... 01:44:54 sometimes basically single player 01:44:59 one of my favorite games ever is Citadels 01:45:15 great party game if everyone knows how to play 01:45:15 complicated board games are german, but there is something american about the lengthy character-building process 01:45:15 citadels is aight 01:45:42 i think i started the wrong conversation... i'm off now 01:45:47 coward! 01:46:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 01:46:17 the last german board game i played was terra mystica 01:46:24 which i enjoy, but it is far from elegant 01:46:24 I'll try to nail down the newbie learning resource question, and the online/offline question split in the next week or so 01:46:36 then i'll ask a few friends who play the game to take it and see how they do 01:47:29 !lg * recentish s=month(end),src x=sum(dur) -graph:area 01:47:35 2096883 games for * (recentish): https://shalott.org/graphs/3465883d807bf1c2b96928b288a05420e394cd50.html 01:47:54 hrm, not using it 01:47:59 chequers: overall looks pretty cool to me. it can use fleshing out, but it's promising 01:49:18 !lg * recentish s=month(end) cwz x=sum(dur) -graph:area 01:49:20 401865 games for * (recentish cwz): https://shalott.org/graphs/4fa3de00d449507be3aedda3d8702ded161acc9a.html 01:50:51 !lg * recentish s=month(end) cxc x=sum(dur) -graph:area 01:50:54 192196 games for * (recentish cxc): https://shalott.org/graphs/48f32bda18bcfc7bfcd6b205d17cc2fbb28ddc1f.html 01:51:42 not really sure that there was a major increase on cwz in the last year, but maybe 01:51:50 !lg * recentish s=month(end) cwz x=cdist(name) -graph:area 01:51:54 401867 games for * (recentish cwz): https://shalott.org/graphs/6bb534c37ba1f27008976a660198ee84f420482c.html 01:51:58 -!- owl has quit [Quit: owl] 01:52:17 looks like some kind of uptick 01:57:14 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:17 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: magistern] 02:07:43 !learn add fada see {faerie dragon armour} 02:07:43 fada[1/1]: see {faerie dragon armour} 02:08:36 wouldn't it be better to just redirect? 02:09:06 ??sorry? 02:09:06 sorry? ~ sorry[1/1]: see {forgiveness} 02:09:11 er, sorry? 02:09:14 that's exactly what I just did 02:09:19 ??fada 02:09:20 faerie dragon armour[1/2]: A randart mottled dragon armour with fixed appearance, worn by the Enchantress. Has between 0 and +8 enchantment, can have some properties not allowed on other randarts. 02:09:24 oh, my mistake 02:09:30 or rather, that's how you redirect 02:09:33 yeah 02:09:49 ??forgiveness 02:09:49 I don't have a page labeled forgiveness in my learndb. 02:09:55 no forgiveness..! 02:10:10 !learn del sorry 02:10:10 Deleted sorry[1/1]: see {forgiveness} 02:17:32 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:20:09 @??giant newt 02:20:09 giant newt (03l) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 1 | HP: 1-3 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 3 | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 12drown | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 02:20:13 RIP 02:33:05 -!- MaBunny has quit [Quit: Bye guys hav a good time :)] 02:35:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 02:36:47 -!- Ruka has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:38:29 rip musu, I guess 02:38:48 what about musu? 02:40:29 it's dead, unwinnable 02:40:44 just ask Lightli 02:40:54 it isn't :v 02:40:59 woah... 02:41:07 what new tech was invented?! 02:41:18 new sif probably being better than oldsif in general 02:42:03 Brannock: the joke is basically with every "nerf" to foo, Lightli declares foo to be "RIP" 02:42:47 I rarely actually mean it's legit dead and dusted though 02:43:04 dead and dusted, going to remember that phrase 02:43:17 You render Menkaure dead and dusted. 02:43:20 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:43:22 musu are perhaps literally dead and dusted, when you think about it 02:43:59 yes 02:44:09 You dust Menkaure like a high counter top!!!!! 02:45:34 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:45:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:54:45 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3 02:55:00 @??frilled lizard 02:55:00 frilled lizard (07l) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-3 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 3 | cold-blooded | XP: 1 | Sp: sprint [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 02:55:26 I'm excited for the tile for this one 02:55:36 giant colorful frills... 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:09 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:00:33 is the current tile same as giant newt? 03:00:50 the placeholder one, I mean 03:02:31 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:06:08 -!- Zet has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:06:12 -!- Bammboo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:06:35 -!- Smashy54 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:07:29 -!- DaneiTHREEPOINTF has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:10:18 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:10:30 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 03:11:21 wait 03:11:31 if a giant newt was so weak 03:11:38 how small is a regular newt 03:14:19 smaller than your hand 03:14:28 (ignoring the tail) 03:15:32 ...and even smaller because only the juveniles come out of the water 03:16:47 well, "adolescents" as it were 03:18:38 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:23:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25:20 -!- DaneiTHREEPOINTF has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 03:25:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:27:18 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1553-g64c24c3 (34) 03:28:08 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:28:34 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:47 @??bat 03:28:47 bat (15b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-4 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 1 | see invisible, fly | Res: 08blind | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 03:28:54 wow, it has so little hp 03:29:04 -!- nxtlvl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:29:12 @??giant newt 03:29:12 unknown monster: "giant newt" 03:29:16 giant newt (03l) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 1 | HP: 1-3 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 3 | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 12drown | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 03:29:16 %??giant newt 03:29:30 @??frilled lizard 03:29:30 frilled lizard (07l) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-3 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 3 | cold-blooded | XP: 1 | Sp: sprint [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 03:29:48 wow, the buffs are real 03:30:03 -!- Klaymen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:43 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34:55 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 03:42:02 -!- lvh has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:42:37 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:51:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:55:44 -!- escu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:55:44 -!- Pyryhyry has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:58:18 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04:12 -!- XVar has quit [Changing host] 04:17:30 -!- kogasa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29:39 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:29:47 sprint is a huge change =p 04:29:53 but it's not amphibious! 04:30:02 how will they be a threat in sewers? 04:38:30 -!- hpm_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:07 sprint seems like it will have no actual effect aside from more messages 04:42:23 -!- airwolf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:48:55 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 04:49:05 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 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GREATEST GIFT OF ALL." 06:00:10 Brannock: this played twice in my game 06:00:26 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:27 yeah i think on a tougher enemy it would matter 06:00:30 @??jackal 06:00:30 jackal (07h) | Spd: 14 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-7 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 3 | XP: 2 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 06:05:31 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:05:43 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:06:56 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:07:48 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:07:56 10:00 < chequers> "WORSHIP ME, MORTAL," Xom booms, "AND I SHALL GRANT YOU THE GREATEST GIFT OF ALL." 06:07:59 10:00 < chequers> _"WORSHIP ME, MORTAL," Xom booms, "AND I SHALL GRANT YOU THE GREATEST GIFT OF ALL." 06:08:02 10:00 < chequers> Brannock: this played twice in my game 06:08:05 in case you missed it 06:16:45 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:18:59 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping 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something weird 10:03:41 <|amethyst> elliptic: look at beam.cc:4883 10:03:54 <|amethyst> oh, never mind, I see 10:04:33 <|amethyst> disable_attack_conducts is initialising that array, not reading it 10:05:08 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:05:16 <|amethyst> did the smoke from the first cockroach maybe block vision to the second one? 10:05:28 <|amethyst> I guess you wouldn't have gotten the right message 10:05:54 <|amethyst> but if it blocks view to some ally, that would explain the "forgiveness" message 10:06:25 I think both cockroaches were adjacent to me, but I'm not certain 10:06:38 <|amethyst> hm 10:06:53 honestly I sort of think that spellbinder causing penance like this (summon + fireball) is a bug itself 10:07:46 or creating hostile 1s to kill low-level characters as in that famous tv 10:07:46 <|amethyst> possibly 10:08:06 <|amethyst> what if the fireball is from an actual miscast? 10:08:18 if it was possible to make spellbinder just not create any summons that might be okay 10:09:05 <|amethyst> I don't know, I kind of think changing the ethical calculations would be better 10:10:02 maybe, yes 10:10:32 the logic determining when allies will be angered by things is pretty confusing, at least to players 10:12:16 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:44 <|amethyst> elliptic: one problem is that "fairness" and "simplicity" are in conflict here 10:13:58 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:14:17 <|amethyst> elliptic: people have an innate (or trained, doesn't matter) ethical logic, so expect certain things to be punished and others not to 10:14:24 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Place it in bed with the fellow who coded constrict. 11:45:15 -!- xcourier has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:00 -!- Kranix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:06 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:49:35 -!- xcourier has quit [Client Quit] 11:59:47 -!- Kranix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:53 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:56 -!- Kranix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:07 -!- xcourier has quit [Quit: || ~~ ||] 12:10:43 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:11:58 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:17 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:29 -!- adibis is now known as aditya 12:14:01 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:43 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:19:42 -!- protopulse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:20:31 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:04 could split that into you do not fit into body armour, helmets cannot fit your strangely shaped head 14:03:53 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:53 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:23 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:15:05 -!- Smashy54 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:53 -!- Kranix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:35 -!- Kranix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:35 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:24:14 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:29 I think it should be developed into a professionally-designed, real-time game. The devs should probably listen less to the core gamers-- they keep saying the game is too easy-- and stop adding silly races. I think Crawl could be a major release although major changes would need be required, like real time. 14:27:29 wat 14:28:10 i'm skimming through the list of player suggestions from the 2012 survey, on and off 14:28:12 it's a very long list 14:29:34 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30:55 well, the devs did start removing silly races, like mountain dwarves 14:31:15 clearly that user wants more blood 14:31:17