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Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 02:37:43 <|amethyst> %git c04c3c1 02:37:43 07edlothiol02 * 0.12-a0-423-gc04c3c1: Webtiles: Do animations on the client and, optionally, in real-time. 10(4 years ago, 5 files, 127+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c04c3c159f4e 02:37:52 <|amethyst> I said 02:37:53 <|amethyst> %git c04c3c1 02:37:53 07edlothiol02 * 0.12-a0-423-gc04c3c1: Webtiles: Do animations on the client and, optionally, in real-time. 10(4 years ago, 5 files, 127+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c04c3c159f4e 02:38:00 Take it easy... 02:39:05 <|amethyst> rip F10 02:39:50 gonna add it back to webtiles-changes to encourage adoption of the branch 02:40:09 along with realtime 3D animations 02:40:34 You see the Sphere of Zot 02:44:48 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:48:55 -!- chan20 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:49:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 02:53:44 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1498-g0b85ae9 03:03:37 hmm 03:03:49 does poisoning still cause fog with dith 03:08:29 -!- Telnaior has quit [Client Quit] 03:08:41 -!- Taraiph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:17 freenode's having "fun" tonight 03:25:57 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1498-g0b85ae9 (34) 03:27:00 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 03:28:41 -!- TuxQmooob has quit [Changing host] 03:30:04 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:30:20 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:31:04 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:31:12 geekosaur: know what's going on? 03:31:20 beem seems to be not getting responses 03:32:26 no, aside from observationally. all the server connections seem to be slow, and there's still at least one server that disconnected from the network but still has users on it 03:32:40 you may want to restart beem to get it to connect to a different server 03:33:09 yeah just did 03:33:24 well just did for cbro 03:33:37 hrm, not really a way for me to detect this in-server 03:33:51 -!- TuxQmooob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:33:56 I'm assuming if a server was disconnected, ping/pong etc would still work 03:34:08 so I'd never see a problem 03:37:12 yep 03:37:28 I've been watchimng folks notice and reconnect for the past couple hours 03:37:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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Also probably branch endings with the portals (Lair:6 -> Hell and Orc:2 -> Pan) should be mentioned too. 06:00:12 Ge0ff: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:00:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:54 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:03:03 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:32 -!- Ge0ff has left ##crawl-dev 06:09:39 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:10:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:13:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:25:06 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:39 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:29:04 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:30:00 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:33:28 -!- ScarCow has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:40:54 -!- eb_ has quit [] 06:41:03 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:53:32 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:54:29 that's a nice graph, but I think you could simplify it 06:54:37 no need to explain hell stairs with a dedicated line type 06:55:20 and perhaps compressing the display a little would help, so rather than drawing a box per level, just draw one box per branch and label the level ranges for applicable stairs on the connecting line 06:55:52 the abyss stuff is a nice touch 06:57:42 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:58:10 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:54 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:58 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 07:08:41 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:16:39 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:16:40 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:58:02 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:05:54 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:12:35 -!- protopulse_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:05 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:22:51 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:50 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:51:34 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:42 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:14 -!- protopulse_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:09:32 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:10 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:15:45 -!- TuxQmooob has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:18:15 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:26:18 -!- HarryHood has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:27 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:38:59 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:41:29 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:45 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:42:20 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:58 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:52:38 -!- Lasty1 is now known as Lasty 09:54:27 -!- protopulse_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:36 !source artefact.cc:526 09:54:36 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc#L526 09:55:01 hmm i guess line numbers work properly on vim too 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:55 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:01:54 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:05:28 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:07:45 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:01 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:01 -!- Kenran has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:29 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:16:18 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:40 -!- ScarCow has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:32:10 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:36:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:10 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:42 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 10:43:18 hey, is it possible to run a single line of code on vim? 10:43:39 im trying do :! but its not exactly doing what i want... 10:44:30 binomial(7, 30) has me stumped. i think it must be a crawl only function and defined somewhere on one of the # files. 10:44:54 usually with binomial distribution you want to enter 2 parameters, n and p, but 30 is not a probability 10:45:08 it is a crawl function, yes 10:45:08 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:45:17 !source binomial 10:45:17 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/random.cc#L258 10:45:49 no wonder i couldnt find anything on it 10:45:52 was looking forever 10:46:20 anyways can i run like one line of code on vim? 10:46:26 i just want to see what it outputs 10:46:38 no 10:46:48 c++ isn't python or lisp 10:47:03 can i...compile one single file? 10:47:06 nope 10:47:11 and then put like a printf sort of command? 10:47:17 how do people program in c++ then? 10:47:27 if they dont know if what they wrote will execute or not 10:47:34 like say i add in 100 new lines of code 10:47:36 then i try make 10:47:38 and it breaks 10:47:41 how will i know where it broke at? 10:47:48 <|amethyst> breaks how 10:47:55 <|amethyst> if it doesn't compile, you have an error message 10:48:06 it'll tell you where the error is at? 10:48:09 <|amethyst> otherwise, you can set a breakpoint and use a debugger 10:48:22 <|amethyst> yes, error messages from the compiler give you a file and line number 10:48:30 by compiler you mean just msys2 make function? 10:48:37 <|amethyst> the compiler is g++ 10:48:42 you aren't going to make your computer explode, so the best way to learn this sort of thing is to just break things and watch what happens 10:48:42 <|amethyst> which is called from our makefile 10:48:56 <|amethyst> btw, re typing single lines of code 10:48:58 <|amethyst> https://github.com/vgvassilev/cling 10:49:32 codepad could be useful for some things, but not e.g. binomial 10:50:28 so cling can execute code on the spot? 10:50:35 <|amethyst> yes, but 10:50:43 yea i tried something like codepad and found out it didnt run 10:50:46 because binomail wasn't defined 10:50:53 thats when i started suspecting it was a crawl-only function 10:51:14 https://www.codechef.com/ide was what i was using 10:51:20 <|amethyst> you'd probably have to paste in the definitions of binomial, x_chance_in_y, random2, most of pcg.cc 10:51:39 gotcha 10:52:02 <|amethyst> and probably other things I am forgetting 10:52:15 is there a program that can see how all the cc files are linked? 10:52:20 like say i right click on binomial 10:52:22 it tells me oh 10:52:29 its defined in so and so file over here 10:52:31 i think it was random.cc 10:52:39 !learn s branches[3 http://i.imgur.com/7yRZ8Pz.png (credit /u/SuperDuckQ) 10:52:39 branches[3/4]: http://i.imgur.com/7yRZ8Pz.png (credit /u/SuperDuckQ) 10:52:40 like a programming environment 10:52:40 <|amethyst> in vim? 10:52:45 or in vim yea 10:52:57 could use msvc.... :) 10:53:14 would you...recommend it? 10:53:30 just seems weird that i have all these files and they aren't linked 10:53:37 honestly your life might be a lot easier if you were using msvc (assuming it builds), since it'll actually give you warnings about bad code as you write it 10:53:41 well until you compile it anyways 10:53:45 which should be helpful wrt yr code anxieties 10:53:49 what do you mean by "linked" 10:54:02 like hmm 10:54:08 <|amethyst> with vim and such, ctags is what you want 10:54:16 library? 10:54:20 <|amethyst> you run ctags on your source code directory 10:54:40 <|amethyst> then in vim you press ctrl-] while on a function name to jump to its declaration or definition 10:54:43 like you have a little scrolly thing int he left 10:54:46 <|amethyst> :tn to cycle through other occurrences 10:54:46 and all of your files are there 10:54:49 and they talk to each other 10:54:52 haha 10:54:57 kids these days, spoiled by IDEs! 10:55:15 <|amethyst> what do you mean by "talk to each other"? 10:55:17 ctags.. 10:55:34 like what iw as saying before 10:55:34 i can right click something 10:55:34 and it tells me where its defined 10:55:36 if its not in the current cc file 10:56:04 <|amethyst> yeah, it sounds like ctags is the Unixy thing that you want 10:56:09 <|amethyst> but MSVC can do it as well 10:56:11 yea i can try ctags that sounds like what i want 10:56:18 or that 10:56:34 <|amethyst> also, you can edit with visual studio even if you don't compile with it 10:57:02 <|amethyst> intellisense really has no equal in the Unix world, at least for C++ 10:57:21 so install visual studio then? 10:57:32 im not unix 10:57:33 <|amethyst> IMO learn to do it the hard way 10:57:35 on* 10:57:43 <|amethyst> msys2 is close enough to Unix :) 10:57:49 kk 10:57:49 what is considered the hard way? 10:57:55 just using vim and ctags? 10:58:00 <|amethyst> ctags and an editor probably 10:58:14 and yea pleasingfungus, i mostly programmed in matlab 10:58:22 everything was all nice and tidy 10:58:28 a little spoiled 10:58:36 matlab........ 10:58:47 <|amethyst> matlab is an interesting language 10:58:48 my condolences for yr mats 10:58:58 yr mats? 10:59:51 but yea, a lot of the time i look at the code and i don't trust that i understand it properly 10:59:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: have you used matlab before? it's super-weird 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:04 like max_properties = 4 + one_chance_in(20) + one_chance_in(40); 11:00:21 thats 3/40 chance of greater than 4 11:00:30 and certainly rarer than what ive personally experienced 11:00:41 so i feel like im missing part of the picture 11:00:53 what do u mean its super weird... 11:00:54 i like it 11:01:08 5/40* 11:01:11 1/8? 11:01:29 |amethyst: i have, though not heavily 11:01:39 <|amethyst> 859/1600 11:01:44 <|amethyst> err 11:01:56 protopulse_: some things use up multiple props, iirc? 11:01:59 <|amethyst> sorry 11:02:03 <|amethyst> 59/800 11:02:32 wait.. 11:02:38 59/800? 11:02:42 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:51 1/20+1/40 = 3/40 11:02:54 <|amethyst> (19/40) * (39/40) chance of both of those one_chance_in returning zero 11:02:55 i think i can math 11:03:09 <|amethyst> err 11:03:14 <|amethyst> (19/20) * (39/40) 11:03:35 wait.. 11:03:38 19 out of 20? 11:03:42 its 1 chance in 20 11:03:45 1/20 11:03:53 protopulse_: you're calculating the average number of extra props above 4 that a randart gets 11:03:54 <|amethyst> 1/20 chance of being true means a 19/20 chance of being false 11:03:55 1/20 chance of returning 1 11:04:04 protopulse_: |amethyst is calculating the odds of a randart NOT getting a fifth prop 11:04:11 right so its really really rare than it'll return a 1 11:04:15 meaning you'll never get over 4 properties 11:04:21 oh 11:04:32 yea ok 11:04:47 92% or so 11:04:48 both are 0 11:05:10 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:05:23 <|amethyst> yeah, 1/20 + 1/40 is a reasonable approximation here, but 11:05:40 <|amethyst> one_chance_in(2) + one_chance_in(2) + one_chance_in(2) 11:05:59 <|amethyst> has a 7/8 chance of being > 0 11:06:10 <|amethyst> but 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 would say it has a 150% chance 11:06:52 oh i was looking at expected value 11:06:56 <|amethyst> yeah 11:07:08 which would be 4 + 1/40(1)+ 1/20(1) 11:07:16 but yea 11:08:20 <|amethyst> re that seeming lower than what actually happens, I would see if there is anything that adds properties and doesn't count againt max_properties 11:08:45 thats what i was thinking too 11:09:26 <|amethyst> also, something like rF++ only counts as one property here 11:09:59 <|amethyst> at least as far as the maximum number of properties goes 11:10:01 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:06 <|amethyst> see the comment just above that line 11:10:31 !source artefact.cc:821 11:10:31 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc#L821 11:10:47 +twister was like two or three properties, iirc... 11:11:03 what is twister? 11:11:06 is that trunk only? 11:11:16 it was, like, 0.17 trunk only 11:11:18 i just compiled trunk this morning 11:11:20 o 11:11:29 rest in peace, twister.... 11:11:38 <|amethyst> ??twstr 11:11:38 twstr[1/2]: +Twstr. A property on some randarts that allows you to evoke the item to summon a hostile twister for a short time. 10 MP, chance of failure is 100 -4*Evo. 11:11:42 <|amethyst> ??twstr[2] 11:11:42 twister[1/2]: Free-flying {tornado}, fortunately confused and low power. Has 10000 HP, but you'll only ever encounter summoned twisters so you can just abjure it or run away and wait for it to time out. 11:12:27 <|amethyst> !learn edit twstr[1] s/randarts that allows/randarts once upon a time that allowed/ 11:12:27 twstr[1/2]: +Twstr. A property on some randarts once upon a time that allowed you to evoke the item to summon a hostile twister for a short time. 10 MP, chance of failure is 100 -4*Evo. 11:13:27 btw, in that binomial function you linked, it takes 3 arguments 11:13:29 err variables 11:13:38 but in the one in the artefact.cc it only gives 2? 11:13:47 int binomial(unsigned n_trials, unsigned trial_prob, unsigned scale) 11:13:57 <|amethyst> !source binomial 2 11:13:58 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/random.cc#L258 11:13:59 <|amethyst> !source binomial 3 11:14:00 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/random.cc#L258 11:14:01 <|amethyst> hmm 11:14:08 <|amethyst> anyway, look at random.h 11:14:16 <|amethyst> int binomial(unsigned n_trials, unsigned trial_prob, unsigned scale = 100); 11:14:38 hm 11:14:39 <|amethyst> in C++ you usually write default parameters in the declaration (in the header file) 11:14:41 i see it says default is 100 11:14:44 but i dont see where its defined 11:14:47 oh 11:14:49 .H 11:14:59 <|amethyst> the reason it works that way is 11:15:03 .h stands for header 11:15:06 -!- tigertrap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:15:10 .cc stands for code 11:15:14 <|amethyst> yeah 11:15:36 <|amethyst> If you had the default value in random.cc, then the compiler would only see it when compiling random.cc 11:15:56 <|amethyst> but in the header, the compiler sees it when compiling any file that does #include "random.h" 11:16:07 <|amethyst> which is (directly or indirectly) every file that would be using the function anyway 11:16:21 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:24 header files don't need to get compiled each time? 11:16:43 <|amethyst> they get copy-pasted into every file that #includes them 11:16:53 <|amethyst> so they get compiled over and over again 11:17:13 so if i really wanted to 11:17:15 <|amethyst> there are compiler options like "pre-compiled headers" that avoid that 11:17:18 .h and .cc files are interchangeable 11:17:20 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:23 its just .h files are shorter 11:17:24 <|amethyst> no, because 11:17:48 <|amethyst> if you define something in a header file, like a function 11:18:09 <|amethyst> then it will be compiled each time that header is used 11:18:37 ".h and .cc files are interchangeable" is right, ".h files are shorter" is wrong 11:18:53 <|amethyst> if that's a regular function (not a template and not inline), that means the linker (which takes all the compiler outputs and combines them into one executable) would see two definitions of the same thing 11:18:57 <|amethyst> which isn't allowed 11:19:02 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:19:41 so ideally...you wouldn't put functions into .h files then 11:19:44 and only put stuff like 11:19:45 <|amethyst> right 11:19:48 default values of things 11:19:48 e.g 11:19:51 scale = 100 11:19:59 <|amethyst> not even that 11:19:59 so basically global variables 11:20:21 -!- Dingbatt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:20:21 <|amethyst> if it's a const, then a header is fine 11:20:48 <|amethyst> but if you have a global variable like int BestGlobal = 100; 11:21:14 <|amethyst> that line is a definition, and actually allocates space for the variable 11:21:14 oh right 11:21:28 .. 11:21:28 <|amethyst> meaning if you put it in a header, each source file would get its own variable, then the linker would complain 11:21:38 that just brought up terrible memories 11:21:38 <|amethyst> instead, what goes in the header is 11:21:39 -!- Greenflame has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:21:43 <|amethyst> extern int BestGlobal; 11:21:45 of when i programmed in c and had to deal with memory allocation 11:22:09 <|amethyst> fortunately, in C++, you don't have to explicitly allocate memory anywhere near as often 11:22:24 yea 11:22:49 ok so 11:22:53 you define the constant 11:22:56 but you do not give it a value 11:22:57 in .h 11:23:18 <|amethyst> constants are fine 11:23:21 <|amethyst> for non-constants though 11:23:32 <|amethyst> you "declare" the variable in the header 11:23:38 <|amethyst> and "define" it in one source file 11:23:47 <|amethyst> whether you give it a value isn't what makes the distinction 11:24:01 <|amethyst> it's the "extern", which says "this is only a declaration, not a definition" 11:24:10 <|amethyst> "it's defined somewhere else, let the linker deal with that" 11:24:38 gotcha 11:24:44 <|amethyst> const is different because it doesn't change, so it doesn't matter whether there's one copy or many 11:25:06 oh you did say get its own variable 11:25:08 not constant 11:25:10 i mixed up the 2 11:25:47 <|amethyst> even with const 11:26:05 <|amethyst> in theory you get one copy of the constant for each source file 11:26:27 <|amethyst> *but* on a global, "const" implies "static", which means the linker doesn't even see it 11:26:36 <|amethyst> so there's no one to complain about the multiple copies 11:26:58 you still have to declare static constant though? 11:27:01 <|amethyst> in practice, linkers might or might not eliminate the duplicates in that case 11:27:04 <|amethyst> you don't 11:27:08 really? why does const imply static on a global? 11:27:22 <|amethyst> amalloy: so that you can define constants in headers 11:27:40 hm, i see 11:28:33 btw difference betwen emplace_back and push_back? 11:28:38 or is that pretty arbitrary? 11:28:51 <|amethyst> protopulse_: on a vector : 11:28:58 <|amethyst> protopulse_: push_back takes a Widget 11:29:08 <|amethyst> protopulse_: emplace_back takes whatever Widget's constructor takes 11:29:30 <|amethyst> so avoids having to copy or move the Widget around in memory---it constructs it in-place 11:30:13 widgets are just vector members? 11:30:44 <|amethyst> was an example, but yes, vector means a vector whose elements are of type Widget 11:31:16 gotcha 11:31:29 <|amethyst> for something like vector, push_back vs emplace_back doesn't matter 11:32:27 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:46 i guess it would have to be a structure... 11:32:52 or something that deals with memory and pointers 11:32:53 <|amethyst> yeah, usually 11:32:53 to matter 11:33:20 whew you weren't kidding 11:33:23 if i want to compile code 11:33:31 i need to copy like the entire random.cc over 11:33:42 i thought i could just pick a few select ones and it would run 11:33:47 <|amethyst> and pcg.h and pcg.cc, which it uses 11:33:48 everything references something else 11:34:30 return _random2(max, RNG_GAMEPLAY); 11:34:36 i guess rng_gameplay is from there 11:35:05 <|amethyst> actually, that is in enum.h, which you probably don't want to pull in entirely because it's huge 11:35:10 <|amethyst> RNG_GAMEPLAY is 11:35:10 <|amethyst> but 11:35:30 <|amethyst> uint32_t get_uint32(int generator) 11:35:30 <|amethyst> { return rngs[generator].get_uint32(); 11:35:30 <|amethyst> } 11:35:38 <|amethyst> that's where it ends up being used 11:35:41 ^ which exists to support the UI RNG vs. the game RNG 11:35:43 <|amethyst> and rngs is 11:35:48 <|amethyst> static FixedVector rngs; 11:36:05 <|amethyst> so you'd also need FixedVector to get things going 11:36:19 * bh starts reading scrollback 11:36:26 <|amethyst> honestly, to test out things like this, you probably just want to do whatever in the source directly 11:37:20 <|amethyst> e.g. somewhere in main() add something that does what you want to test, prints the result, and exits 11:37:22 so with the ctags thing? 11:37:38 where is main()? 11:37:43 <|amethyst> I mean with regards to testing out what a single line of code would do 11:37:46 <|amethyst> in main.cc 11:37:55 so something like add a single line 11:37:57 then break? 11:38:39 wait but i'd have to execute make.. 11:38:43 each and every time 11:38:49 <|amethyst> yes, but 11:38:59 <|amethyst> make is smart enough not to recompile everything 11:39:14 alright 11:39:17 ill give it a try 11:39:20 <|amethyst> only the things that changed, and in the case of headers, things that #include those headers (directly or indirectly) 11:39:58 <|amethyst> so a change to main.cc would require Make only to recompile main.cc and maybe version.cc, and then to link 11:40:54 <|amethyst> unfortunately, the linker does have to re-link everything, not just that file 11:41:33 -!- Svalin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:44:31 <|amethyst> amalloy: btw, cppreference states that rule (internal linkage for consts) as "Any of the following names declared at namespace scope have internal linkage: [. . .] non-volatile [non-inline (since C++17)] const-qualified variables (including constexpr) that aren't declared extern and aren't previously declared to have external linkage." 11:46:07 -!- Implojin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:58 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:59:48 oh, cool 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:43 pleasingfungus (L24 HEAE) ASSERT(col < MAX_TERM_COLOUR) in 'options.h' at line 614 failed. (Vaults:3) 12:00:50 headshot! 12:02:18 List Hep frail HP with mutations. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10667 by Implojin 12:03:54 <|amethyst> hm 12:04:08 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1499-ga55bd9c: Warn for bad rcfile boolean options 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 26+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a55bd9c2b4d1 12:04:08 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1500-g0d7b9fc: Improve curses option error reporting 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0d7b9fc7d5e0 12:04:08 03Implojin02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.19-a0-1501-g5362668: List Hep frail HP with mutations 10(21 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5362668c93ae 12:04:13 |amethyst: ? 12:04:43 <|amethyst> maybe we should have a value for god_passive::rank that says "you get this passive if you're under penance even if you don't worship the god anymore" 12:04:58 we have two cases right now? 12:05:09 i'd wait until we get at least three... 12:05:11 yes that looked ugly but i was assured it was done for reasons 12:05:25 what looked ugly? 12:05:35 oh, the under penance thing 12:05:43 yeah... hm 12:05:56 <|amethyst> it's because there are a lot of positive things that you keep under penance, but lose on abandonment 12:06:11 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:19 <|amethyst> e.g. Zin's rMut 12:07:10 <|amethyst> probably more of those than passives which apply to followers and apostate penitents 12:07:49 <|amethyst> s/probably/almost certainly/ 12:11:22 green seems like a weird colour choice for frailty 12:12:18 <|amethyst> maybe lightred, since that's what we use for Ru sacrifices? 12:12:45 i assume the green was because it's a hep colour? 12:12:53 red seemed bad because it was difficult to distinguish from negative muts that could be removed with !cmut 12:12:55 yes 12:13:02 -!- protopulse_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:13:11 lightgreen, lightblue, lightcyan 12:13:11 <|amethyst> we do use green for Jiyva muts 12:13:19 jiyva muts are usually good, tho 12:13:19 used green because it was used for beogh's waterwalk 12:13:32 not sure what the logic for the temporary (non-mutation) things being listed there really is, water walk is also a weird one to be listed there 12:13:33 although yes, it did seem a bit wrong for a negative 12:14:02 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: DUR_FIRE_SHIELD is there even 12:14:29 yeah true, that one seems the weirdest 12:14:36 MarvinPA: the logic that led me to apply the patch was "people kept getting confused by the frailty only being listed in ^" 12:14:53 maybe the players are the real problem... 12:15:04 solution: remove players 12:15:09 we're doing our best! 12:15:42 PleasingFungus: sure, i don't see that applying to the other things though really 12:15:56 yeah idk about those 12:16:01 could remove em and see who complains 12:16:36 <|amethyst> I think water walk falls under the same category as frailty though 12:16:47 <|amethyst> it otherwise would only show up on ^ 12:16:54 water walk gets an explicit message when you gain it at least 12:16:58 which frailty doesn't really 12:17:14 can't believe you people hate Flavour 12:17:28 <|amethyst> I like having passives on A 12:17:31 clearly the players hate Flavour too, otherwise they wouldn't be confused! 12:17:59 <|amethyst> IMO list all passives on A, maybe giving some a flag to prevent that 12:18:02 but yeah maybe having passives consistently on A would be reasonable 12:18:09 then i... hate the Players 12:18:21 <|amethyst> I think there isn't currently anything that uses the description thing 12:18:50 <|amethyst> and I only vaguely had an idea of how the string should be interpreted 12:20:26 <|amethyst> I think "GOD" is supposed to be replaced with your god name, and ones that start with a lowercase letter would be prefixed with either "You " or "You no longer " 12:21:01 <|amethyst> but not everything follows that 12:26:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30:03 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:00 -!- DarkwingDuck has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:44:47 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:36 -!- protopulse_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:12 uh weird question, is it possible to un-make? 12:46:16 ??? 12:46:18 i accidentally used just regular make 12:46:24 instead of make TILES=y 12:46:32 then i ran make TILES=y after make finished 12:46:35 and it was giving me errors 12:47:00 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:47:15 https://gyazo.com/6527ba4103d471e178914146945eac0c 12:48:20 and is there anything after make i can tack on to make it run faster? it goes through a lot of .o files and also through the tileset each time, a lot of which seems redundant 12:51:21 the srgb thing is known, afaik 12:51:21 -!- Jebus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:51:24 it does that for me too 12:51:38 are you using multiple threads to make right now? 12:52:56 like make TILES=y -j5? 12:52:57 ya 12:53:11 that's something 12:53:22 wrt unmaking, you can't unmake, but you can limit the impact by using ccache 12:53:24 i believe 12:54:48 just looked up ccache 12:54:55 and it seems like the solution to my other problem? 12:54:58 making make run faster? 12:57:58 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:58:09 protopulse_: does msys have `nice`? you could try nice make -j8 12:58:41 "use up to 8 CPUs, but run at a low priority [so i can still browse the web in peace, or whatever]" 12:59:23 oh i dont have that many cores 12:59:27 ccache is mainly so you don't have to remake everything after switching branches or changing compile flags (TILES=Y) or w/e 12:59:28 ccache will speed up only things that are pretty rare IME, but of course you can try it and see 12:59:58 just tack ccache after the make? 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:04 so like make TILES=y ccache? 13:00:11 none of those things 13:00:20 you need to install ccache 13:00:26 o 13:00:46 at which point it will stand "in front of" your compiler, caching stuff 13:00:58 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:15 i might just hold off a bit, going to get a new machine soon 13:01:20 this one is actually 7 years old 13:01:39 it still works fine, quad core and all 13:01:45 ccache really helps if you are recompiling 13:01:49 but for compiling dcss, it took a surprising amount of time 13:04:27 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 13:09:09 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1501-g5362668 (34) 13:11:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:19:44 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1502-gd9e467d: Remove the zombie HP colour option 10(55 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d9e467d4bcd3 13:19:44 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1503-g206c045: Refactor player hp/mp/stat colour options 10(3 minutes ago, 4 files, 113+ 139-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/206c0457c30d 13:19:57 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:59 -!- debo___ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:59 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:11 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:25:58 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1501-g5362668 (34) 13:26:44 woah what 13:26:47 that compiled instantly 13:26:52 idk why it took so long last time 13:28:49 -!- sysice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:32:04 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:35:53 hm 13:36:00 !source actor.cc:127 13:36:00 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/actor.cc#L127 13:37:06 %git 5ec915305 13:37:06 07ChrisOelmueller02 {Grunt} * 0.16-a0-972-g5ec9153: Convert most old-style MR multipliers to new specifiers 10(2 years, 6 months ago, 1 file, 414+ 417-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5ec91530503a 13:37:25 i feel like ^ probably made that hack obsolete? 13:44:10 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:10 :o 13:47:15 i brought rmut back 13:47:40 haha 13:47:44 ice 13:47:46 *nice 13:48:01 fair warning, it's weaker than it used to be... 13:48:13 ive never played before 0.18.1 13:48:17 so im not sure what to compare it to 13:48:23 %git 333d9320e68b31075a9bcf03844546c7b04a1274 13:48:23 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1515-g333d932: Simplify rMut 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/333d9320e68b 13:48:24 it's 66% protection right? 13:48:28 ya 13:48:30 used to be 90% 13:48:34 oh 13:48:41 when was the change? 13:48:42 0.18? 13:48:55 apparently! 13:49:07 someone told me once 0.13 was a really fun patch 13:49:21 well at least he was playing felid with nemelex 13:49:26 so i went to spectate 13:49:33 only a while later did i realize it wasnt a recent patch 13:49:40 might you know why that is? 13:50:00 ? 13:50:10 why he thought 0.13 was a special patch in particular? 13:51:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1504-g818868b: Improve hex power debug messaging 10(35 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/818868bf92d2 13:51:06 oh, who knows 13:51:06 people are weird 13:51:17 heh 13:51:21 btw what does this line mean? 13:51:22 { "*Corrode", ARTP_VAL_BOOL, 25, // ARTP_CORRODE, nullptr, []() { return 1; }, 0, 0 }, 13:51:35 damn 13:51:36 lemme just 13:51:40 link it the right way 13:51:57 !source artefact.cc:708 13:51:58 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc#L708 13:52:14 i see the struct being defined elsewhere 13:52:27 so that line []() { return 1; } 13:52:41 should be referencing function gen_bad_value; 13:53:17 that's defining a function 13:53:36 oh 13:53:37 it's equivalent to saying "static int gen_bad_corrode_value() { return 1; }" 13:53:48 equivalish 13:54:00 er 13:54:04 so what would that mean? 13:54:12 ? 13:54:21 its the empty bracket empty parenthesis then return 1 with a empty semicolon that just looks so odd 13:54:33 like normally right, if im understanding this correctly 13:54:36 like if you look at slay 13:54:40 <|amethyst> it's a "lambda" 13:54:47 its using one of the random functions to generate a random slay value 13:54:49 one for good 13:54:51 one for bad 13:54:55 <|amethyst> a way of creating an anonymous function 13:55:12 anonymous = doesn't have a name 13:55:16 []() is lambda? 13:55:21 or that whole thing? 13:55:24 []() { ... } 13:55:27