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Use !messages to read them. 01:18:21 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 01:19:01 i've had games with way too much cmut, and also games with an amount that felt uncomfortably low 01:19:04 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:19:16 probably not any games with way too little cmut. so maybe it's fine as is 01:19:23 god bless high-variance distribution 01:19:51 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1268-g6c5d9f8 (34) 01:19:55 i've expressed my own opinion on the matter and if dev consensus is elsewhere, that is how it is! 01:20:19 pf: have you seen the reddit thread for salt? https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4zwuh5/desolation_of_salt/ 01:20:32 no and i'm asleep 01:20:35 !!! 01:20:37 i'll open it to read tomorrow i guess 01:21:23 sleepy retired fungus... 01:21:23 thank you!!! SOMEONE remembers 01:24:03 i read the thing. "almost too much self-consistent flavor" is very apt 01:24:17 !lg * br=desolation s=killer 01:24:18 14 games for * (br=desolation): 3x a crystal guardian, 3x a peacekeeper, 2x a saltling, 2x an alligator snapping turtle, 2x a ragged hierophant, 2x a halazid warlock 01:24:25 oh, warlocks did something! 01:24:35 !lg * killer="halazid warlock" 01:24:36 2. jumbajumba the Brawler (L17 TrVM of Cheibriados), blasted by a halazid warlock (ghostly fireball) in Desolation (desolation_of_salt; desolation_ruin_cross_wrecked) on 2016-08-28 19:47:50, with 185848 points after 27333 turns and 1:56:12. 01:24:37 !lg * killer="halazid warlock" -2 01:24:38 1/2. alcopop the Blinker (L19 SpEn of Ashenzari), blasted by a halazid warlock (ghostly fireball) in Desolation (desolation_of_salt) on 2016-08-28 11:26:13, with 278802 points after 61037 turns and 2:04:46. 01:24:45 nice 01:24:54 !lg * killer="halazid warlock" x=dam 01:24:55 2. [dam=67] jumbajumba the Brawler (L17 TrVM of Cheibriados), blasted by a halazid warlock (ghostly fireball) in Desolation (desolation_of_salt; desolation_ruin_cross_wrecked) on 2016-08-28 19:47:50, with 185848 points after 27333 turns and 1:56:12. 01:24:56 !lg * killer="halazid warlock" x=dam -2 01:24:56 1/2. [dam=17] alcopop the Blinker (L19 SpEn of Ashenzari), blasted by a halazid warlock (ghostly fireball) in Desolation (desolation_of_salt) on 2016-08-28 11:26:13, with 278802 points after 61037 turns and 2:04:46. 01:25:10 hm, ASTs may be excessive 01:25:11 how do you feel about "more omni-resist monsters suck" 01:25:19 AST? 01:25:25 alligator snapping turtles 01:25:39 ah 01:25:53 !lg * salt s=killer 01:25:54 14 games for * (salt): 3x a crystal guardian, 3x a peacekeeper, 2x a saltling, 2x an alligator snapping turtle, 2x a ragged hierophant, 2x a halazid warlock 01:25:55 i recognized the problem with more omni-resist monsters, which is why i gave everything else in the portal almost no resists 01:26:01 ah, ty for shorthand 01:26:04 :) 01:26:12 !lg * killer=peacekeeper 01:26:13 4. Torious the Convoker (L18 DECj of Sif Muna), mangled by a peacekeeper in Desolation (desolation_of_salt) on 2016-08-28 20:26:50, with 225154 points after 28584 turns and 10:01:15. 01:26:16 !lg * killer=peacekeeper !salt 01:26:17 1. flyleaff the Slicer (L15 VSFi of Makhleb), slain by a peacekeeper on Spider:2 (portal_desolation_entry_twin_temple) on 2016-08-28 06:25:57, with 66031 points after 20827 turns and 1:31:49. 01:26:19 there's also !kw desolation if you are against this acronym 01:26:20 ouch 01:26:23 salt's good 01:26:54 i have a todo note to nerf that entry 01:26:54 !lg * kmap~~portal_desolation s=killer 01:26:54 2 games for * (kmap~~portal_desolation): a saltling, a peacekeeper 01:26:57 !lg * kmap~~portal_desolation killer=saltling 01:26:58 1. hellse the Brawler (L15 TrFi of Ru), mangled by a saltling on Lair:2 (spider_nest_entry_webs) on 2016-08-28 01:16:48, with 90498 points after 25649 turns and 1:06:48. 01:27:00 !lg * kmap~~portal_desolation killer=saltling -log 01:27:01 1. hellse, XL15 TrFi, T:25649: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/hellse/morgue-hellse-20160828-011648.txt 01:27:28 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:27:37 mm, ru 01:27:45 heh, he was at 1 hp 01:27:54 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:27:55 not sure saltling gets credit for that one really 01:28:07 "i really REALLY want to enter this portal" 01:28:12 "i really REALLY want to enter this portal" 01:28:13 oops 01:28:28 i do too 01:28:36 i guess i'll go check out elf and see if i can find salt 01:28:39 when i play again 01:28:50 !lg * salt s=xl 01:28:50 14 games for * (salt): 3x 18, 2x 15, 2x 17, 2x 14, 2x 16, 20, 19, 13 01:29:04 !lm * br.enter=salt s=xl o=. 01:29:05 No milestones for * (br.enter=salt). 01:29:10 !lm * br.enter=desolation s=xl o=. 01:29:11 109 milestones for * (br.enter=desolation): 27, 2x 25, 24, 3x 23, 3x 22, 5x 21, 9x 20, 12x 19, 17x 18, 12x 17, 21x 16, 13x 15, 9x 14, 13 01:29:38 entry might be a bit earlier than you intend 01:30:08 maybe 01:31:53 can we get a saltling player race 01:32:39 is it just me or does salt generate a lot of lag when resting there? 01:32:45 it does 01:33:08 is that because of cloud generation/handling function? 01:33:13 so plays can streak TeEn HOMo SaCK 01:33:16 players* 01:34:20 Naruni, yes 01:35:39 reflavour HO 01:35:48 and make beogh accept all comers 01:35:49 !!! 01:35:59 solving the big problems here 01:36:06 geekosaur, hmm maybe thats my next calling to improve the game, revamp the cloud handling 01:36:25 someone was already looking at it earlier in here, I think 01:36:47 ok ill leave it alone 01:37:14 the menu thing still gets at me, i'd really like to improve it but there is a lot of stuff that goes into that 01:37:57 i had vague thoughts on how to improve it but haven't started yet 01:37:57 wrt clouds 01:37:57 unfortunately I think the biggest problem is that cloud generators are lua 01:38:20 well 01:38:44 i think you can get a lot of mileage by optimizing delete_clouds 01:38:47 which isn't lua 01:38:53 moving them into dlua.cc is always possible 01:39:03 and then it's probably possible to expose enough functions to dlua to allow optimizing the cloud generators 01:39:40 chesterson's fence; why are they lua and not c++? 01:40:56 -!- sooheon has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:41:09 -!- sooheon- is now known as sooheon 01:43:36 i suspect 'to prove that they could be done in lua' 01:45:09 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]] 01:45:37 I suspect it was created for one or a small handful of vaults originally and grew from there, and nobody thought about switching it to C++ as its use increased 01:47:43 there was never a use which required high CPU usage, and it was easier to write in lua 01:48:22 the biggest cloud generator I can think of outside a small portal (eg cigotuvi) is early dith altars a few temple entries 01:49:00 compared to the size of clouds in salt, they're trivial 01:50:48 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:51:23 hahaha 01:51:31 ok, why does the portal out of salt use a big ? tile? 01:51:41 no tile yet 01:51:51 the ? means "the developers forgot to make a tile for this" 01:52:42 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:53:05 yeah, but why not use the same tile as every other portal vault? 01:54:32 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:54:49 -!- sooheon has quit [Client Quit] 01:55:12 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:56:16 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1268-g6c5d9f8 01:56:42 every exit portal is the same? 01:56:47 -!- FIQ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:52 i guess you could just copy the exit portal of another branch anyway 01:57:42 well, if it becomes a full blown branch they have unique ones 01:57:56 but portal vaults just have a swirly blue magical portal thing 01:58:03 also, this is rather difficult 01:58:14 for a spen with some mediocre summons anyway 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:10 oh yeah! I forgot this was a poral not a branch 02:01:13 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:09 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:24 what's -clouds status? 02:06:10 clouds are turned off 02:06:14 including Q clouds 02:06:24 I assume all the cloud spells also don'twork 02:07:39 ah 02:07:40 yeah the game won't let you even try to cast conjure flame 02:07:49 i assume other cloudy spells are the same 02:07:55 flavor text implies tornado still works though 02:08:41 no clouds but tornado 02:09:30 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:10:00 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:10:19 that was exciting 02:11:10 what caused that status? 02:11:10 i assume one of the more exciting bad guys 02:11:37 the wind mage dudes 02:11:48 i forget what they're called since everything there has fancy names 02:11:55 whisperers or something 02:11:58 the whisperers? 02:11:59 yeah 02:12:07 whisperer of secrets or whatever 02:15:00 dressed in blue 02:15:12 -!- VoxSomniator_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:15:28 yes 02:15:55 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:17:16 Brannock: did you see the dream sheep thread on reddit. well done 02:18:22 lol 02:20:39 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:20:59 river rats are even more boring than sheep. what monster can we replace them with to horrify reddit? 02:21:34 they are a top candidate for...something 02:21:37 they can be the introduction to tzistfiends 02:22:13 melee to surround player with mephtitic clouds 02:23:11 plague rats 02:23:22 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 02:23:28 like slime creatures except fast 02:24:14 merge together into a swarm 02:24:57 "rat king" 02:24:59 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_king 02:25:58 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:26:40 is that a rat which is a king, or a human who is king of the rats 02:26:46 Neither 02:27:11 amalloy: just looked at my last two wins that weren't 15 runes and I had 3 and 5 extra cmut pots 02:27:11 It's an actual thing, it's a gigantic mass of tangled rats. 02:27:44 this is with having done some mut roulette 02:27:44 is that how you spell that word 02:27:44 phew 02:28:27 my third one back did only have one extra, however 02:28:48 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:29:50 but four pots on average seems like a pretty good number for 3-rune; enough to mess around with mutations and do some curing for some malmutate that you let get through 02:30:44 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:13 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 02:32:12 oh, is the loot on salt supposed to be pretty mediocre, or is it not balanced yet, or what? 02:32:30 because it seems very underwhelming for a portal vault but about what i'd expect out of the first floor of a branch 02:33:16 I'm sure loot dist. will change 02:33:16 That's a rather easy thing to adjust 02:33:35 i figured it wasn't finalized 02:34:01 i thought it was mediocre when i did it too 02:34:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:34:06 i like most of the enemies, although i'm not quite clear on what resonance blast does 02:34:09 but i might've just gotten unlucky 02:34:12 or beam 02:34:16 or whatever it is called 02:34:17 i did appreciate the book with apport+blink in it 02:34:20 even if there were two of them 02:34:22 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:34:30 But I'm going to be honest with all of you players. You can't have nice things. 02:34:58 haha, you can't take my sweet robe from me! 02:35:04 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:35:13 >Going into a portal named after salt. >Expecting the salt portal to have loot. >mfw 02:35:19 robes are fluff 02:35:22 replace them with animal skins 02:36:49 for the most recent 24 trunk wins on CPO, the players finished with an average of 4 cmut pots 02:37:00 3-rune only wins 02:37:02 obviously the term "desolation" implies huge stacks of phat loot 02:37:11 yeah, objstat was reporting an average of 5 02:37:19 or maybe it was higher 02:37:21 ??objstat 02:37:21 objstat[1/2]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a build of crawl with EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L=-DDEBUG_STATISTICS in your make command (or full debug with "make debug") to generate item/monsters statistics. See crawl -help for the argument details. 02:37:21 two games ended with 11 though!! 02:37:26 ??objstat[2 02:37:26 objstat[2/2]: Latest spreadsheets for past releases and trunk (0.19-a0-594-g235f30c): https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 02:38:11 5.85 if you include all 3-rune stuff 02:38:12 !log alcopop ddne won 02:38:13 1. alcopop, XL24 DDNe, T:58994: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/alcopop/morgue-alcopop-20160827-070137.txt 02:38:47 i feel like they show up a lot more commonly in early d than they used to 02:38:47 look at that loot, ridiculous 02:38:47 I usually do get one or two early on, it feels like 02:38:47 hrm 02:39:08 those boots are just totally disappointing chequers 02:39:09 looks like average is about 0.08 for every D level 02:39:27 so yeah if you do 12 D levels, odds are good you get one 02:40:10 same rate in Lair, so even if you get early Lair and don't do D:10-12 or something, you'll probably have one by end of Lair 02:40:19 anyway, I can pull more stats if it's interesting, but it seems like most 3-rune games have plenty of cmut left over. I didn't check how mutated people were though, but I expect it means they were not mutated except for the orb run 02:40:47 6 (25%) of the games ended with only one pot 02:40:59 maybe those people were feeling legitimate cmut pressure 02:41:38 not having extra cmut in a win doesn't mean that there's a problem anyhow 02:41:53 If you want to use morgue stats like that, it'd be good to use no less than 50 wins, hopefully 100+ 02:41:59 -!- mibert has quit [Client Quit] 02:42:11 when was the cmut tweak put in? I just grabbed all of august 02:42:18 just today 02:42:24 so you can't see game stats for it yet 02:42:35 ah I meant the last one 02:42:44 so I can see what the old normal was 02:44:53 looks like the max number generated in a game for 1k iterations is 16 02:44:59 but that would involve cigutovi 02:45:19 which apparently can make up to 7 02:45:29 fun graph of the day, regional differences in trunk vs stable: https://shalott.org/graphs/1ca8a0353061af92e8fd8eb041189d7328b12cba.html 02:45:40 wow, and a game with 5 cmut pots on D:1 02:46:17 so the people least likely to understand trunk changelog play the most trunk 02:46:29 whereas those most likely closest to the community play the last 02:46:30 *least 02:46:44 Well, how else are they going to figure out what the changes are? :) 02:47:03 :) 02:48:13 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:48:34 well that statement isn't accurate really 02:49:03 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:49:09 cjr and cbro are hardly further away from the community than CAO 02:49:17 also lld might be not counted properly 02:49:51 due to people playing that jp port that I think dplusplus (and maybe others) made 02:49:51 cao is the first one listed under playing online 02:49:59 on the wordpress 02:50:02 perhaps it is counting as 0.16, but it may be counting as trunk 02:51:11 cao and cdo are the oldest servers, so I'd expect the oldest players to be more likely to play on those than newer ones 02:52:09 cbro gets about as many games as cao does 02:52:43 ya 02:52:47 and it got most of the cszo people who moved over 02:52:54 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:10 there might be a thing where EU and Russian players are playing more older versions 02:53:53 hrm, need to see one of these morgues 02:54:14 ah 02:54:16 !lg * lld s=cv% 02:54:17 40320 games for * (lld): 10276x 0.16-a (25.49%), 8233x 0.17-a (20.42%), 4816x 0.19-a (11.94%), 4262x 0.18-a (10.57%), 3906x 0.15-a (9.69%), 3417x 0.17 (8.47%), 2451x 0.16 (6.08%), 2359x 0.18 (5.85%), 340x 0.15 (0.84%), 260x 0.14 (0.64%) 02:54:23 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1268-g6c5d9f8 02:54:29 that would be the japanese language port, which is an alpha 02:54:36 !kw trunk 02:54:37 Keyword: trunk => alpha !experimental 02:54:43 so there you have the explanation for lld 02:55:23 the jp port is an alpha of 0.16, so that's not trunk 02:55:23 you probably want to use "current trunk" 02:55:23 nice 02:55:30 probably better to just discard lld as a special case 02:55:38 !lg * cwz s=cv% 02:55:42 391709 games for * (cwz): 147561x 0.18-a (37.67%), 106686x 0.19-a (27.24%), 92464x 0.17-a (23.61%), 14429x 0.18 (3.68%), 12983x 0.16 (3.31%), 8317x 0.17 (2.12%), 7019x 0.16-a (1.79%), 1641x 0.15 (0.42%), 363x 0.13 (0.09%), 245x 0.14 (0.06%), (0.00%) 02:55:47 heh 02:55:49 since there's a different dynamic going on with three potential candidates 02:55:49 that's great 02:55:54 cwz is also weird 02:56:02 oh 02:56:08 !lg * cwz week s=cv% 02:56:09 8419 games for * (cwz week): 8026x 0.19-a (95.33%), 384x 0.18 (4.56%), 4x 0.17 (0.05%), 2x 0.16 (0.02%), 0.15 (0.01%), 0.13 (0.01%), 0.14 (0.01%) 02:56:12 there we go 02:56:22 so yeah cwz is indeed trunk-centric 02:56:31 !lg * lld s=cv% month 02:56:32 2127 games for * (lld month): 1853x 0.19-a (87.12%), 258x 0.18 (12.13%), 12x 0.17 (0.56%), 3x 0.16 (0.14%), 0.14 (0.05%) 02:56:44 ok so for lld ...oh 02:56:53 is the lang port like a trunk version? 02:56:58 this is really weird 02:58:05 ah, never mind! the 0.16-ja games simply isn't tracked 02:58:20 that's kind of bad, but I guess it might break milestones or w/e 02:58:43 i guess irc isn't super friendly to asian countries 02:58:45 so we're probably missing a lot of lld games 02:58:58 huh 02:58:59 2/4 on lld right now playing that 02:59:11 just found my first cmut in elf:1 02:59:17 did you drink it 02:59:25 no 02:59:34 find some purple...go on... 02:59:37 -2 str isn't that crippling 02:59:44 I always assume late-identified potions are !xp and inevitably it's cancellation or something 02:59:44 i'm a spriggan, i can't eat purple! 02:59:48 It's a *game* *ending* mutation!!! 02:59:54 aiiieeeee 02:59:57 you're right!!! 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:04 fr: purple bark Sp can eat to mutate 03:00:07 purple fruit? 03:00:09 mmm 03:00:14 purple bark 03:01:02 spriggan air mages drop mutagenic bread 03:02:53 heh 03:04:56 ooo, now i'm up to 3 03:05:05 better go find all that !mut i left littered around the dungeon 03:08:02 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:12:05 is "game-ending mutation" a meme now? 03:12:46 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:17:32 gammafunk has decreed it so 03:18:38 nikheizen: it's a phrase that's used not infrequently 03:19:02 perhaps it's really a 0.18 meme and I'm just trying to keep it alive, but I do keep hearing it 03:20:56 !source sonic_damage 03:20:56 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc#L766 03:20:57 should dream sheep be able to put me to sleep when I'm invis if they can't see invis? 03:22:17 I think the idea is that it's the magical version of counting sheep to fall asleep, so if you can see them it's active 03:23:04 !source cheibriados_slouch 03:23:04 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc#L3705 03:23:04 Shard1697: it's the dust, do you not breath when you're invisible? 03:23:13 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:23:19 MAGIC! DREAM! DUST! 03:23:39 fr: sandman 03:23:46 those power cords.. 03:23:48 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:32 I remember playing a wad in the japanese doom community project, and I think one of the really weird creative levels had a rendition of smells like teen spirit 03:25:44 which wasn't the first place I expected to hear that 03:25:46 fair enough 03:26:15 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1268-g6c5d9f8 (34) 03:26:29 -!- eb has quit [] 03:26:33 You might have a point, re: them needing to see you to use it 03:26:40 How do they know to shed their dust, I guess 03:27:11 well its not like monsters can't see you when you're invisible 03:27:18 they just forget where you are sometimes 03:27:21 We have things like smite that have a reduced chance of effectiveness for unseen players, but I think that's justified under the rubric of "god power" 03:27:39 nikheizen: how do you mean 03:27:49 if you blind yourself you can't count the sheep! 03:28:03 it's not counting sheep! it's MAGIC! DUST! 03:28:37 does being unbreathing actually make you immune? 03:28:37 or is it a contact dust? 03:28:37 no 03:28:37 yeah seems to be contact dust 03:28:56 look, when dream sheep dust results come back from the chem lab analysis, we'll know more, ok? 03:29:08 we're also sequencing the dream sheep genome, which should yield more clues 03:29:09 why is the lab so slow!?!? 03:29:23 i want next day results! like in csi! 03:29:23 ProzacElf: run by Pakellas, so it's hit a bit of a downturn recently... 03:29:28 ah 03:29:30 sad, that 03:29:44 ProzacElf: the walls keep moving around and the staff can't find their way 03:29:45 he got drunk on hubris 03:29:51 and booze 03:29:55 but mostly hubris 03:30:04 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:31:08 his grant applications go unread in a file cabinet somewhere 03:34:25 sqlite> select count(*) from players; 03:34:25 65514 03:34:31 uh oh... crawl is about to overflow!! 03:36:19 -!- PElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:23 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:51:36 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:44 !lg * x=cdist(name) year s=src !ckr !cszo !experimental 03:52:03 1273352 games for * (year !ckr !cszo !experimental): 365239x cao [7584], 320990x cwz [3557], 224780x cbro [4382], 146887x cxc [2138], 129677x cue [2787], 38239x cpo [926], 18720x lld [547], 14672x cjr [556], 14148x cdo [218] 03:52:39 !lg * x=cdist(name) year s=src !ckr !cszo !experimental fmt:"${.} $x" 03:52:58 1273352 games for * (year !ckr !cszo !experimental): cao 7584, cwz 3557, cbro 4382, cxc 2138, cue 2787, cpo 926, lld 547, cjr 556, cdo 218 03:54:58 !lg * x=cdist(name) start>2013-08-29 s=src !ckr !cszo !experimental fmt:"${.} $x" 03:55:04 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:55:18 !lg * x=cdist(name) start>2013-08-29 s=src !ckr !experimental fmt:"${.} $x" 03:55:26 2493336 games for * (start>2013-08-29 !ckr !cszo !experimental): cao 21053, cwz 4321, cbro 6419, cue 5395, cxc 2976, cdo 887, cpo 1215, lld 840, cjr 556, rhf 291 03:56:18 3370210 games for * (start>2013-08-29 !ckr !experimental): cao 21053, cszo 10673, cwz 4322, cbro 6419, cue 5395, cxc 2976, cdo 887, cpo 1215, lld 840, cjr 556, rhf 291 03:57:45 the most important stats are beem stats anyhow 03:57:46 cao subscribers: 113 cbro subscribers: 157 cjr subscribers: 20 cpo subscribers: 25 cue subscribers: 41 cxc subscribers: 62 Total subscribers: 418 03:58:24 I should make the same data for unsubscribers 03:58:37 heh 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:52 isn't there a temporary sleep immunity after being put to sleep? 04:09:00 i just got put to sleep the turn after waking up 04:09:06 by dream sheep 04:10:13 yeah there is an immunity 04:10:35 i'm not sure it's working, then. how long is it supposed to be? 04:10:40 I haven't looked at the code in detail though 04:10:42 hrm 04:11:13 %git eb39ca940 04:11:14 07Brannock02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.19-a0-1245-geb39ca9: Transform sheep into dream sheep 10(3 weeks ago, 35 files, 238+ 77-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb39ca940e5a 04:11:17 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 04:12:01 you.set_duration(DUR_SLEEP_IMMUNITY, random_range(4, 8)); 04:12:19 you know, I wonder if that just wears off during the sleep 04:12:54 sleep duration is 5-20 turns 04:13:20 so I would suspect that would happen; it's just preventing you from getting...reslept? 04:13:31 which might not even be possible anyhow 04:13:45 yeah, i suspected that too 04:13:53 if it's set when you fall asleep instead of when you wake up 04:13:54 yeah it won't sleep you if you're already asleep 04:14:01 I wonder how para handles that 04:14:14 is that 4-8 turns, or auts? 04:14:17 i bet it's auts 04:14:40 !source set_duration 04:14:40 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-ench.cc#L2452 04:14:45 !source set_duration 2 04:14:46 2/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L7597 04:15:09 seems to be turns 04:15:18 void player::set_duration(duration_type dur, int turns, 04:15:18 int cap, const char * msg) 04:15:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23:59 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:33:13 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:34:25 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:35:03 gammafunk: i just fought some dream sheep in wizmode, and this happened: i was put to sleep; i was immediately awoken by a sheep biting me; i pressed . to skip a turn; i was put to sleep again 04:35:03 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:03 that's not 4 turns even if we assume the time you spend asleep counts 04:35:40 hm, maybe i spent more time asleep than i thought, actually. looks like a lot of misses happened while i was sleeping 04:36:59 so it could have been 4 turns 04:37:57 the magic of missing a sleeping guy 04:39:30 amalloy: sounds like a problem with the immunity, if you have the time to mention this to Brannock, he'd want to know; I can take a look tomorrow if no one else does 04:39:40 or could file a bug report 04:40:36 i think it's probably just the thing you said, where it applies at the start of sleep instead of the end 04:40:36 more testing with lower EV values i haven't been put back to sleep right after waking up 04:40:39 i think it would be good if it kicked in when you wake up rather than when you sleep 04:40:42 yeah, don't know if paralsysis immunity handles something like that properly 04:40:46 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 04:40:52 hm, good comparison 04:40:56 seems like it'd run into the same problem; banishment immunity would be set upon abyss exit, I think 04:41:29 paralysis does it right 04:41:41 when paralysis wears off, you get immunity starting then 04:41:50 in player-reacts 04:41:51 cool 04:42:00 seems we just put the immunity in the wrong place 04:42:01 i'll send Brannock a !tell 04:43:04 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:43:32 !tell Brannock sleep immunity should work more like _decrement_paralysis, where the immunity timer starts when sleep wears off, not when sleep starts; otherwise the player can get chain-slept because the sleep dur is longer than the immunity dur 04:43:33 amalloy: OK, I'll let brannock know. 04:44:08 -!- Medar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:44:27 -!- TuxQmooob has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:46:08 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:19 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:19:39 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:33:51 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Changing host] 05:36:24 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:36:55 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:45:30 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 05:45:43 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:58:24 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:58:48 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:06:01 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 06:07:32 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:30:17 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:31:23 -!- Victor is now known as Guest30646 06:31:43 -!- Guest30646 is now known as Victor``` 06:39:19 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:48:32 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:51:52 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:59 -!- TuxQmob has quit [Changing host] 06:55:34 -!- TuxQmoob has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:56:05 -!- cojito has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04:47