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You can easily autoexplore from outside view of the lake into the cateblepas/dire elephant trap, and then if you don't have ?tele or multiple blink scrolls and a haste potion you're screwed. 10:14:34 Lasty: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:14:59 !tell gammafunk I learned this the hard way yesterday, but I managed to just barely escape w/ 2x blink and !haste 10:15:00 Lasty: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:15:32 -!- phloomp has quit [Client Quit] 10:15:52 !tell gammafunk I feel strongly that it needs to be fixed so that it doesn't force us to make autoexploring shallow water disabled by default. 10:15:53 Lasty: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:20:35 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:57 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:32:09 enchanted_lake is that giant worm trap? 10:32:14 i mean giant leech 10:32:33 no, it's a catoblepas/dire elephant/lindwurm trap 10:33:22 well the 3x7 room with 20 giant leeches isn't any better 10:33:49 and they start appearing only if you come close 10:33:53 and it's shallow water as well 10:34:10 Fun 10:39:25 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:07 but this isn't ~60 tiles of shallow water in 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07:57 the game doesn't recognize a vampire in bat form is flying 11:08:16 and as the result you cannot autoexplore while batform if you're over deep water 11:14:30 What does "stat" in activity_interrupt_names mean? 11:17:24 -!- chan20 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:25 -!- jefus_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25:43 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 11:29:41 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:37:25 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:06 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:47:15 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:49:32 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:57:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:38 lasty: when i complained to gammafunk about that, he claimed that 'the player should know that a vault like that is an obvious trap', something along those lines 11:58:38 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:13 I wish there was a new race for me to try and win 12:08:22 I also wish I had an idea that wasn't garbage for one 12:08:35 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:12:25 PleasingFungus: bullshit; you can autoexplore right into the heart of it 12:12:35 by which I mean, bullshit to gammafunk :D 12:12:39 :) 12:12:51 i want to say it had electric eels around somewhere, if we're talking about the same vault 12:12:57 PleasingFungus: it can have eels 12:13:01 !vault gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake 12:13:01 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des#L1688 12:13:06 and if it does then there's a chance to not autoexplore right into the trap 12:13:12 but sometimes it doesn't 12:13:16 nice 12:13:54 you have to understand, if it wasn't a horrible autoexplore trap, it wouldn't have the highest kill rate of non-ending lair vaults! 12:14:01 haha 12:14:06 gamma is very proud of that stat 12:14:10 oh, I know! 12:14:26 if gammafunk doesn't appear and fix it by EOD I'm removing the vault entirely. 12:14:32 (EOD for recompiles) 12:15:19 lol 12:27:28 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:28:54 just sprinkle it with oklobs, autoexplore trap problems solved 12:29:04 no vault problem can't be fixed by adding oklobs 12:29:10 1learn add 12:30:24 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:35 MarvinPA: SUBST: x = 3 12:38:35 MarvinPA: MONS: electric eel, dire elephant, oklob plant 12:51:23 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:56 hm 13:03:01 we cap player ghost ev and hp and damage 13:03:15 should we cap ac in some way? 13:03:48 ghost EV is capped? 13:03:53 and HP? 13:03:55 and damage? 13:03:58 Never knew this before 13:04:11 it's true 13:04:18 what are the caps 13:04:45 50 damage, 60 ev, 400 hp 13:04:45 only the damage one is very meaningful, i think 13:05:05 yeah, you'd need to be robust 3 ogre or the like to hit 400 HP 13:05:06 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1207-g69d5fc3 (34) 13:05:11 ely vit, dragon form, zerk 13:05:18 i forget which of those still apply to ghosts 13:05:20 not dragon form 13:05:22 are those considered in for ghost stats? 13:05:31 that seems kind of dumb 13:05:54 ghosts are a little dumb 13:09:37 seems like capping ghosts wouldn't be a bad thing. No more D:5 ghosts with 35 EV 13:10:36 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:00 yeah those caps seem a bit high if anything 13:11:30 also that means if my Pakellas supercharge bug HO died and left a ghost he would be borderline unkillable (128 AC) 13:11:32 some kind of caps scaling with level might be reasonable 13:11:44 yeah 13:11:55 having it capped by the dungeon level seems good 13:12:18 what would be a good Zot:5 cap 13:12:26 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:13:05 100 EV/AC, mandatory firestorm and haste 13:13:19 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:34 no that sounds like a hypothetical ziglord 13:14:11 or if all the pan/hell lords combined into super Cerebov or the like 13:15:43 -!- Dracunos has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:57 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:46 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:50 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:27:54 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:29:25 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 13:29:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:04 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:05 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:33:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:33:57 -!- jooles has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:33:57 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:37:39 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:50:55 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:53:40 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:13 -!- royiv has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:58:13 -!- XVar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:58:58 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:37 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:35 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:30 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:01 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:22:18 What do eels have to do with autoexploring into that trap 14:22:18 gammafunk: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:24:01 I've seen so many weird characterizations of the discussion of this vaults and other vaults like it, that it's not really clear what people are arguing any more 14:24:19 gammafunk: if there are eels you can't autoexplore into the OODs at the very end without even seeing the vault first 14:24:33 has anyone actually looked at the vault though? 14:24:38 why "eels" in particular 14:24:42 actually, you probably still can, since they can end up in the lake instead 14:24:44 what is special about eels and autoexplore 14:24:44 statues maybe? 14:25:00 I was thinking eels because they tend to be stationary 14:25:01 that vault doesn't only place eels, it can place things other than eels in those spots 14:25:08 eels aren't stationary 14:25:37 they're just as mobile as any other flying/swimming monster, which that vault can place 14:25:38 right, so the problem is that the things in the vault often wander out and get killed far enough away that you can't even see the vault before autoexplore takes you right into the trap 14:26:10 and since there's a ton of water, eels can potentially have the same issue, tho they can only go as far as the edge of the vault 14:26:22 well I don't think this can actually happen, does autoexplore stop when you find a hatch? 14:26:40 if it doesn't then perhaps 14:26:44 I noticed this issue today because I literally autoexplored from outside the vault into the center of it 14:26:55 !lm lasty x=cv 14:26:56 17609. [2016-08-21 17:01:54] [cv=0.19-a] Lasty the Thrower (L8 DgHu) killed Menkaure on turn 6915. (D:6) 14:27:00 It didn't kill me 14:27:01 this char? 14:27:07 yeah I'm wondering what version though 14:27:08 er, not today, yesterday 14:27:11 this char -- 14:27:11 e.g. was it stable or trunk 14:27:29 because the vault changed in trunk 14:27:39 !lg lasty dghu xl>10 14:27:41 2. Lasty the Warrior (L21 DgHu), blasted by a shadow dragon (bolt of negative energy) on Depths:2 (grunt_profane_halls) on 2016-08-21 02:03:55, with 407312 points after 73559 turns and 3:00:26. 14:28:03 yeah, I'm just asking if it was trunk or stable 14:28:11 trunk 14:28:34 Stable? What kind of monster do you take me for? 14:29:20 well, probably the simplest thing, is to guarantee som monster placement closer to the catoble area 14:29:30 yeah 14:29:34 the loot area I should say, since it's not always catoble 14:29:40 sounds like you generated no monsters in the passage 14:30:00 either that or they all got lured out somehow 14:30:03 alarm trap or something 14:30:22 well that's why these discussions tend to reduce to hand waving ime 14:30:56 vaults do things like this all the time; it's always possible to have *some* configuration of monster movement that will be awkward for the player 14:31:25 and then claims of "but guaranteed consumable usage!" etc get bandied about and it's hard to know what we're really talking about 14:31:50 solutions are 1) runed door where there's currently a hatch or 2) place some guaranteed monsters near the chamber 14:31:58 so here's the deal -- the vault I encountered today was straight up just a trap that was set up to kill me. 14:32:22 like, either I used ?tele or a giant wad of other crap or I died. 14:32:22 if said monster get woken up and come out, it's hard for that happen to not happen in the loot chamber as well 14:32:35 And the only reason that I ended up in that situation is that autoexplore took me there without me noticing 14:32:42 which feelsbad(tm) 14:33:04 right but autoexplore is what it is wrt water, I'm simply saying that you cannot make a guarantee that autoexplore won't screw you that way 14:33:11 see for instance the entire branches of swamp/shoals 14:34:34 I think putting some monsters always (instead of only a chance) near the loot is probably going to solve the issue you describe, but like I said there just aren't guarantees. I could make a runed door before the long passage begins in the water, where the hatch is 14:34:53 sure, that can be a problem, particularly in shoals, but at least in that branch you know water's gonna be an issue. This vault is specifically designed to set up a huge swath of shallow water and monsters that can ignore it in an area where that's pretty much never a normal situation 14:35:37 a runed door would be huge here 14:35:37 does auto-explore avoid shallow water yet? 14:35:45 Doesnty: only if you set it to 14:36:02 that seems like a reasonable default tbh 14:36:19 it makes auto exploration in shoals/swamp really bad probably 14:36:24 disabling it 14:36:44 yeah 14:36:55 i know there's a vaults vault that has like 14:37:03 door, shallow water, door, room full of stuff 14:37:21 when i saw it i yelled from outside the first door and a warden came out 14:38:11 this is fine because in my commit message I can refer to "the kind of players who kill demigods in depths" and we'll all know who I mean 14:38:29 I can't deny it 14:38:50 grunt_profane_halls... 14:38:53 I'm probably the best dev at killing depths-through-vaults chars 14:39:06 ontoclasm_vaults_water_temple 14:39:27 ok it's not mean enough to have a fixed warden there but 14:39:27 one is very likely 14:40:03 .splatratio devteamnp 14:40:07 % of xl17 chars killed : 3/78x elliptic [3.85%], 4/50x amalloy [8.00%], 5/37x gammafunk [13.51%], 13/55x Medar [23.64%], 8/30x MarvinPA [26.67%], 4/12x doy [33.33%], 3/8x pleasingfungus [37.50%], 57/149x Lasty [38.26%], 16/34x dpeg [47.06%], 6/9x wheals [66.67%], 13/18x reaver [72.22%], 10/11x neil [90.91%] 14:40:21 n.b. I'm actually better than amalloy 14:40:38 Lasty: looks like dpeg and of course wheals have you beat 14:40:43 neil just doesn't count 14:40:48 57/149. Nice! 14:41:24 !cmd .splatratio 14:41:24 Command: .splatratio => !lg ${1:-.} $* title:"% of xl17 chars killed $*" !gfspeed !boring xl>=17 recentish s=name / !won o=-% ?: den.N>5 14:41:41 !lg devteamnp title:"% of xl17 chars killed $*" !gfspeed !boring xl>=17 s=name / !won o=-% ?: den.N>5 14:41:50 % of xl17 chars killed : 22/340x elliptic [6.47%], 7/56x amalloy [12.50%], 9/71x evilmike [12.68%], 15/77x gammafunk [19.48%], 33/151x Medar [21.85%], 33/103x itsmu [32.04%], 93/252x Lasty [36.90%], 29/73x doy [39.73%], 6/15x Keskitalo [40.00%], 29/68x pleasingfungus [42.65%], 347/807x 78291 [43.00%], 105/237x MarvinPA [44.30%], 11/24x Sage [45.83%], 45/95x pointless [47.37%], 14/27x ontoclasm [51... 14:41:59 !lg devteamnp title:"% of xl17 chars killed $*" !gfspeed !boring xl>=17 s=name / !won o=% ?: den.N>5 14:42:00 % of xl17 chars killed : 34/37x Neil [91.89%], 10/12x mumra [83.33%], 114/140x wheals [81.43%], 102/126x KiloByte [80.95%], 19/24x bookofjude [79.17%], 22/28x reaver [78.57%], 32/41x erisdiscordia [78.05%], 26/34x HangedMan [76.47%], 67/93x sorear [72.04%], 80/122x SGrunt [65.57%], 5/8x evktalo [62.50%], 68/110x dpeg [61.82%], 20/33x bh [60.61%], 6/11x haranp [54.55%], 63/121x rob [52.07%], 14/27x... 14:42:07 solid 81% 14:42:21 overall 14:42:35 finally past 1kb 14:42:37 congrats 14:43:04 looks like i have the most splats total too 14:43:33 !lg devteamnp !gfspeed !boring xl>=17 !won s=name 14:43:34 1475 games for devteamnp (!gfspeed !boring xl>=17 !won): 347x 78291, 114x wheals, 105x MarvinPA, 102x KiloByte, 93x Lasty, 80x SGrunt, 68x dpeg, 67x sorear, 63x rob, 45x pointless, 34x Neil, 33x Medar, 33x itsmu, 32x erisdiscordia, 29x pleasingfungus, 29x doy, 26x HangedMan, 22x elliptic, 22x reaver, 20x bh, 19x bookofjude, 15x gammafunk, 14x ontoclasm, 11x Sage, 10x mumra, 9x evilmike, 7x amalloy... 14:43:40 oh not quite! 14:43:42 you just had to steal that from me! 14:44:06 lol 14:48:59 !lairendkills lairtemple 14:49:00 Lair End kills (lairtemple): 44x gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple (20.56%), 41x evil_forest (19.16%), 20x grunt_lair_end_beastmaster (9.35%), 20x evilmike_catoblepas_cave (9.35%), 18x wormcave (8.41%), 16x hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers (7.48%), 15x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond (7.01%), 14x guppyfry_lair_end_dragon (6.54%), 14x hangedman_lair_in_review (6.54%), 12x minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest (5.6... 14:50:14 !source gammafunk_lair_ancient_temple 14:50:14 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des#L3062 14:51:00 actually going to put some dry land in that passage *just* to help people along 14:53:39 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:53:43 haven't seen the ancient temple yet 14:56:27 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:46 I already have a Lasty entry in .gfdevkills, but I'd certainly welcome another 14:57:03 .gfdevkills 14:57:05 5 games for * (((map=wizlab_lehudib || kmap~~gammafunk || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher)) @devteamnp): dpeg (a vault guard), Lasty (Asterion), wheals (Asterion), SGrunt (a lindwurm (gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake)), PleasingFungus (a spriggan air mage (gammafunk_depths_water_palace)) 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:45 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:09:44 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:12:57 amalloy: looks like I may have to edit one of my vids to outright remove two segments with song requests where the original copyright holder won't even let the audio remain if I don't claim monetization 15:13:44 apparently the copyright holders of the jimmy hendrix and david bowie catalogues are not very sharing 15:14:22 youtube says it can edit out only the audio, but using that does nothing, keeping the entire video muted, and I'm reading it wonly works on videos <2hrs 15:15:07 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:16:38 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:18:57 yeah 15:19:12 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:19:12 i'm surprised twitch doesn't edit it out of your highlights 15:20:08 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:17 well twitch mutes the audio segment of any copyrighted audio track it detects 15:21:07 youtube detects them but most holders allow you to just play adds and also not take monetization for the vids 15:21:39 but if a holder doesn't allow it, it mutes the entire video's audio :( 15:22:06 at least with twitch it's just that short segment with no audio, but no audio for the entire video is pretty awful 15:22:19 so if this youtube editing thing doesn't work I'll just edit out that segment of the video 15:27:06 gammafunk: i'm not saying david bowie was holding the fabric of the universe together, but *gestures broadly at everything* 15:28:31 oh 15:28:32 i was going to ask 15:28:45 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:50 minmay: back when victory dancing was possible, how much did people actually do it? 15:29:20 like, was everyone doing it, or only the skilled players, or...? 15:30:10 I believe it was extremely common to do, but before my time 15:30:11 i don't think most people bothered doing it for things like armour because that was awful, but it was definitely common for spells 15:30:49 finally, we learn that PF's secret project is to bring back victory dancing... 15:30:54 i was definitely not a skilled player at the time at least, and i did it a lot! 15:30:57 heh 15:31:05 i'm working on my talk for the roguelike convention 15:31:25 about problems caused by 'hypothetical optimal play' 15:31:50 victory dancing sounds like a good topic there. I never actually learned how it worked 15:31:52 ah yeah, that is a neat topic 15:33:44 PleasingFungus: just about everyone, yes 15:33:52 everyone who knew it existed, that is 15:34:02 -!- arcanemastermind has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:34:11 ok. 15:34:12 a lot of unspoiled players didn't understand that skill gain depended on experience at all, so they'd just cast magic dart at walls 1000 times with 0 xp in their pool 15:34:12 divination spells are a good one too if you go even further back! i think the first dcss youtube video i watched was someone who had cast borgnjor's to set their maxhp as low as possible and then clear zot by casting divinations basically every step and firestorming everything from out of los 15:34:19 fantastic 15:34:39 it was pretty common to victory dance armour and especially fighting BTW, despite how awful it was 15:35:12 any good examples of more recent problems caused by hypothetical optimal play - solved or not - would also be good 15:35:19 obvious unsolved problem: traps 15:35:33 solution: make traps trigger as soon as they enter LOS instead of when stepped on 15:35:56 i think the only skill people didn't really ever victory dance was dodging, because dodging would train ridiculously fast in normal play if you just left it on 15:36:48 that reminds me, why does TSO still have divine shield now that victory dancing is gone :P 15:37:09 i was thinking about that traps change earlier. wouldn't making them trigger when they enter LOS make pre-placed vault traps perfectly spoilery? right now, you can place 'known' traps, but you wouldn't be able to if they triggered on entering LOS. 15:37:35 i assume your solution is 'remove every vault trap', since that's a minmay agenda item anyway (iirc) 15:38:08 it's something that was supposed to happen already but whoever did it made exceptions for ossuaries and hall of zot for some reason 15:38:08 wouldn't making traps trigger on entering LOS cause issues with the Zot:$ perma-teleport traps? 15:38:09 also: what does divine shield have to do with victory dancing? 15:38:26 perma-traps wouldn't work at all in this scheme, yeah 15:38:27 PleasingFungus: victory dancing is the only reason to invoke divine shield 15:38:54 ??divine shield 15:38:55 divine shield[1/1]: TSO ability much like Condensation Shield, but made of piety instead of ice. Unlike condensation shield, it stacks with the shield you are wearing. The piety cost is minor. Gives 3 + Invo/5 SH. 15:39:13 maybe it could be buffed a bit? 15:40:30 "The piety cost is minor" 15:40:33 thanks learndb for saying absolutely nothing as usual 15:40:43 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:45 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:01 it's probably been changed repeatedly since that entry was written 15:41:02 !learn edit divine_shield[1] s/minor/randomly 2 or 3 15:41:02 divine shield[1/1]: TSO ability much like Condensation Shield, but made of piety instead of ice. Unlike condensation shield, it stacks with the shield you are wearing. The piety cost is randomly 2 or 3. Gives 3 + Invo/5 SH. 15:41:18 why are you referencing a removed spell in a learndb entry? seems kinda weird, minmay. 15:42:41 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:11 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:43:47 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:43:49 PleasingFungus, perhaps I would accept responsibility for writing the entire learndb if entries like ??joke and ??syraine didn't exist 15:44:23 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:44:38 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:44:40 !learn edit divine_shield[1] s/TSO.*wearing/The Shining One ability that temporarily increases your SH. Stacks with your actual shield if you're wearing one. 15:44:40 divine shield[1/1]: The Shining One ability that temporarily increases your SH. Stacks with your actual shield if you're wearing one.. The piety cost is randomly 2 or 3. Gives 3 + Invo/5 SH. 15:45:00 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 15:45:23 that SH formula is also totally wrong but I don't want to look it up because the ability is still crap 15:45:36 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:51 it's freeee buffs 15:46:02 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:46:12 -!- Torax_ is now known as Tiltorax 15:46:52 also i think it's exactly twice that much 15:46:55 not sure 15:47:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1208-g117139c: Adjust god descriptions 10(20 minutes ago, 2 files, 128+ 138-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/117139cce9d2 15:47:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1209-gc6b3456: Remove the rest of a reference to ammo enchantment 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c6b34561eb17 15:47:36 yeah, looks like it 15:48:11 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:48:24 hm, i feel like offlevel item eating is something that does deserve a note. high potential for player confusion 15:48:25 idk 15:48:31 it has a note! 15:48:36 just in the other section now 15:48:39 ahh 15:48:56 PleasingFungus: freeee except it costs almost half an angel 15:49:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:21 angels have diminishing returns, obviously 15:49:25 how many angels do you really need? 15:49:40 for my christian rock band? maybe three of four 15:49:43 well this light bulb isn't going to screw itself in 15:49:52 very good, very good. 15:49:52 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:50:19 I hate watching TSO worshipers in extended 15:50:32 max piety, *never* summon an angel 15:50:43 i hate watching, TSO, worshipers, and extended 15:50:53 hm 15:51:05 Okawaru is a dangerous and powerful god of battle. 15:51:08 lol 15:51:10 are either of these things true? 15:51:25 oka wrath pretty dangerous! 15:51:30 mm 15:51:34 teleporting into his one altar vault is pretty dangerous 15:51:39 if you try to steal something good from his attic he'll wreck your shit 15:52:01 okawarus_attic sounds like a vault that's already been made 15:52:11 probably by nicolae... 15:52:13 haha 15:52:14 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:52:29 it's like the staff closet, but there's an oka altar and a robe of misfortune instead 15:53:14 getting gifted robe of misfortune is my second proudest crawl moment 15:53:36 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:55:55 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Client Quit] 15:58:10 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:36 a - the +10 spear of Change (weapon) {venom, rN+ Dex+5} 15:58:42 literally the perfect gnollcrawl weapon 15:59:19 the rn is critical 15:59:35 there might be a gnoll with a draining halberd 15:59:47 isn't that just gonna one-shot you 15:59:57 not if I berserk 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:21 8) 16:00:24 and I already have elemental resists+rPois covered with rings, so rN+ is probably actually the most useful one to get on a weapon lmao 16:00:26 -!- elan_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:39 well, except I don't have rElec. 16:02:38 hrm, actually I should watch this Lasty tv 16:02:59 oh jesus v5 just has 10 gnoll sergeants 16:03:05 lmao 16:03:23 slime seems like it'd be really easy in gnollcrawl 16:03:23 hm 16:03:31 except that you wouldn't be able to get the rune, at all 16:03:39 i need a lot of angels for my pin head dance routine 16:03:44 you can 16:03:49 I changed the des to rock 16:03:53 o 16:03:58 then, the first thing i said 16:04:10 And currently it's easier because I haven't like hand placed any tougher monsters there 16:04:24 Most of extended should be pretty easy provided all my bug fixes for non gnoll spawns are robust :p 16:04:41 Because only zot has the special gnolls, besides like one or two des vaults 16:04:56 Plus the gnolls kill themselves on the slime walls :p 16:05:05 Because PF didn't code that into their pathfinding 16:05:08 place a special gnoll named THE ROYAL GNOLL with a corroding weapon in slime 5 16:05:11 Tsk tsk tsk 16:05:18 hey, since when am i responsible for pathfinding? 16:05:21 http://i.imgur.com/08j0BY5.png lmao 16:05:31 haha 16:05:32 THE WALL 16:06:37 well, I'm going to used a runed door even though this vault doesn't really require it, since it's nice theme for the kind of slightly hidden cave it has 16:07:27 but looking at it I don't think you can really get everything to come out unless you're already in the water section, given the 3-tile thick wall 16:07:40 MarvinPA: haha, you left the chei wrath description untouched 16:08:38 hm, the problem with describing beogh wrath as 'orcish warriors' is that Orcish Warrior is a specific monster type 16:08:52 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1209-gc6b3456 (34) 16:09:08 orcish sword and board toons 16:09:18 ! 16:09:28 could just say "orcish fighters" since that's not an actual monster type 16:09:31 "faithful orcs" instead maybe 16:10:12 how about... This is crazy, now.. 'orcs' 16:10:17 oo 16:10:22 Shorten it to 'Beogh sends orcs' 16:10:25 orcs or orcish veterans, maybe 16:11:55 the orcish SWAT team 16:12:51 -!- Telnaior has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:13:31 beogh should send elves sometimes just to mix things up 16:13:55 isn't that cutting in in oka's turf, really 16:14:39 well, okawaru creates orcs... 16:14:58 fr merge beogh with okawaru 16:15:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:09 beoghawaru 16:15:27 orcish heroism, orcish finesse 16:15:31 orcish gifts (they're orcs) 16:15:34 the armour skill thing will make a lot more sense 16:16:34 do you ever miss racial armour 16:17:21 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:08 imo racial armour = racist armour 16:19:10 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 16:21:12 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:21:19 the very concept of armour is racist. Are felids and octopodes not people? 16:22:16 1. People can wear armour. 2. Felids and octopodes cannot wear armour. 3. Felids and octopodes are not people. 16:26:50 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:20 do you ever miss racial armour 16:28:29 was this question addressed to me because I can't imagine that you don't already know the answer 16:29:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:32:06 03gammafunk02 07* 0.19-a0-1210-g5c1aa26: Add a runed door and make other adjustments to a vault (Lasty) 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5c1aa26253d8 16:32:48 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:54 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:37:33 gammafunk: thanks 16:37:51 np, I have to help out the players some times, as much as I hate to do it 16:44:02 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:44:04 and in return, now you can have your family back safe and sound 16:44:52 btw, where can I see gnollcrawl morgues 16:50:14 Shard1697: not sure if cpo has those publicly available, ask chequers 16:56:00 Lasty: You monster, you knew I would do anything for my pet cactus 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:20 -!- owl has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:04 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:08:49 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1210-g5c1aa26 (34) 17:16:04 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:19:44 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:22:35 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:23:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:11 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:55 Shard1697, we did it! :D 17:24:55 Too bad I fell asleep 17:26:05 Shard1697, your runs in all their glory https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/Shard1697/ 17:34:54 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 17:42:27 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:42:42 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:49:44 thanks 17:50:04 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:04 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01:48 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1210-g5c1aa26 (34) 18:06:26 -!- arcanemastermind has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:09:41 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:02 -!- adibis has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:13 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:08 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:17:15 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:47 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:18:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:26:35 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 18:36:22 -!- morgenmantel has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:44:02 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:48:33 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:49:19 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:50:17 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:54:22 -!- Dracunos7 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:57:04 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:04:06 ??sting 19:04:06 sting[1/1]: Level 1 spell in {Young Poisoner's Handbook}. Deals up to 1d8 poison damage and has a 66% chance of inflicting {poison} on non-resistant targets. VM starts with this spell memorized. To-hit: 8+power/5. 19:04:16 ??magic dart 19:04:16 magic dart[1/1]: Level 1 conjuration spell that always hits if successfully cast. Does 1d8 damage at max power. 19:05:27 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:10:13 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:13:31 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:57 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:19 -!- Cacophony has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:07 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:07 can mottled draconians get a buff of some sort? 19:20:50 they seem noticably worse than the other draconian colors (no relevant resist, their breath is range 1, barely any improved apts) 19:21:04 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:21:50 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Client Quit] 19:26:07 yeah. gnollcrawl isn't hooked up into sequell, but everything is publicly available. it also uses your trunk rc file. If there's sustained interest i might change this 19:26:32 can mottled drac breath miss? 19:27:04 They have the best resist in the game tho 19:31:42 I still think my draconian/dragon tweaks, aka change mottled dragons into acidic dragons and then merge golden/mottled draconians, would be good 19:32:23 because mottled dragons are harmless, rSticky sucks, and having yellow draconians be acidic while golden dragon's aren't is weird/confusing 19:32:38 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:32:48 but tavern didn't like it as much as other, worse ideas of mine, so ymmv 19:38:50 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Quit: *ollies out*] 19:39:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:19 chequers: Yes 19:40:20 it can miss 19:52:54 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:51 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 19:54:39 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:55:52 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:59 -!- bob_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:58:12 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:46 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:03:57 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:08:42 so the worst overall breath because it doesn't give you a ranged option (contrast the other breaths), no relevant resist, barely any apt boosts and the one apt it does boost is boosted more by another draconian color... 20:08:47 come to think of it 20:08:56 why the hell is mottled draconian breath melee-only 20:09:59 To balance the rNapalm 20:10:35 rSteam is somehow more relevant 20:11:49 -!- nezrel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:11 Hrmmm... 20:16:14 Napalmcrawl 20:16:27 You can only pick draconian as a race, and every creature is given a mottled breath weapon 20:16:32 And you just hope and pray for mottled drac 20:17:01 and mottled breath stacks in this version of course 20:18:05 dracunos: make oofcrawl 20:18:07 Or maybe you just have 'Fire' as a permenant status effect until level 7 20:18:12 you start at xl 27 with appropriate skills 20:18:16 And you start with a stack of 200 hw pots 20:18:17 all enemies are orbs of fire 20:18:34 skills and equipment 20:18:36 Ha, that's kinda interesting actually 20:18:45 no, equipment is unchanged 20:18:47 rip FE 20:18:54 Maybe I would turn all the spawns off on the first floor, and you start with like a stack of exp pots 20:18:55 rip non-TrBe then 20:19:16 but if everything is an orb of fire 20:19:16 Always gotta find the lazy way to do it 20:19:19 what would be Zot:$ 20:19:23 Gnolls 20:19:23 Duh 20:19:29 meatlord 20:19:40 What the heck is meatsprint, anyway? 20:19:50 Are you supposed to just move and then die and start over? 20:19:59 it's a sprint where you start worshipping makhleb and you have an axe that instantly kills everything 20:20:03 yeah 20:20:06 Ohhh, yeah, the god part 20:20:07 you worship Makhleb asap 20:20:10 I skip that sometimes 20:20:12 I forget 20:20:21