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01:47:09 <Naruni> %watch
01:47:13 <Naruni> #watch
01:47:13 <Sequell> https://crawl.project357.org/watch/Naruni
01:47:19 <Naruni> bah wrong one
01:47:29 <Naruni> on cao, im in a game that is missing 2 altars
01:48:08 <Naruni> should i file a bug report or am i missing something?
01:48:08 <chequers> check for unexplored staircases
01:48:12 <Naruni> chequers, check
01:48:31 <chequers> you could back up your save and let a dev take it offline
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01:48:42 <chequers> it's always possible they didn't generate, or they generated in a disconnected portion of the map
01:48:52 <Naruni> all levels 2-9 have been fully explored, level 6 says partial explored cant reach some areas, yet there is no way in
01:50:24 <Naruni> and i don't even know where the spot where I can't reach is at
01:50:36 <|amethyst> Naruni:  Xo
01:50:50 <|amethyst> though it only seems to work sometimes
01:51:00 <Naruni> |amethyst, that didn't seem to do anything
01:51:04 <|amethyst> hm
01:51:16 <|amethyst> and you've taken all upstairs on D:7 ?
01:51:33 <Naruni> yes, and all downstairs on 5
01:53:45 <|amethyst> yeah, save backup would be useful
01:53:55 <Naruni> how do i do that?
01:54:35 <|amethyst> oh, you're on CAO?
01:54:39 <|amethyst> I can grab it
01:54:57 <Naruni> do i need to quit?
01:55:55 <|amethyst> no, I have it
01:56:06 <|amethyst> Pakellas is missing because Pakellas is disabled
01:56:42 <Naruni> vehumet?
01:57:15 <|amethyst> travel to the Usk or Xom altar on D4 and you'll find it
01:57:37 <|amethyst> the stair is marked as known because you've seen both ends of the staircase, but you've not actually taken it
01:58:38 <Naruni> pfft
01:58:40 <Naruni> thank you
01:59:01 <Naruni> how come when i pressed 'o' on 4th floor it said it was fully explored?
01:59:31 <|amethyst> good question
01:59:58 <|amethyst> also, I still think stairs shouldn't be marked as seen if you've only seen them through glass, but I can see the arguments both ways there
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02:01:21 <chequers> level 1 can have overflow altars cant it? or are d:1 altars just random chance from the level builder
02:01:36 <ontoclasm> i think not
02:01:42 <ontoclasm> d:2 on iirc
02:01:47 <chequers> ook
02:02:01 <chequers> |amethyst: +1 to needing to see a path to stairs before they get marked as 'known'
02:02:41 <|amethyst> hm
02:02:58 <|amethyst> what would be nice is if it were internally marked as known, so you could X[] on the stair properly
02:03:11 <|amethyst> but still rendered in white
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02:05:24 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-1187-g68a4807: Correct 'your' in Mara messages (#10616) 10(65 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/68a4807f74a8
02:05:24 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-1188-g4c2e17c: Hide Pakellas in ctrl-o (Naruni) 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c2e17c36f00
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02:07:29 <chequers> i think it might get confusing if you split out the logic like that
02:07:32 <chequers> (re: stairs)
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02:08:20 <chequers> actually, was the problem here the vault with a glass window and a staircase + a few altars
02:08:27 <chequers> because that vault is *always* a problem
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02:09:07 <|amethyst> it was
02:09:42 <chequers> just knock a hole in it already :P
02:10:30 <|amethyst> IMO turn it opaque
02:10:46 <|amethyst> (maybe not)
02:11:09 <|amethyst> err, opaque in the "can't see through the walls" sense
02:11:38 <|amethyst> not in the KMASK: opaque sense
02:13:01 <|amethyst> oh, huh
02:13:18 <|amethyst> re pakellas, it looks like they do exist in your game
02:13:31 <|amethyst> I guess you started it before the removal?
02:13:37 <ontoclasm> rip pakellas
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02:16:52 <chequers> if you made the vault a few tiles longer it would guarantee you get the 'not fully explored' message, right
02:17:06 <|amethyst> chequers:  apparently not
02:17:44 <|amethyst> chequers:  since Naruni's was not fully explored (several spots showed as explore horizon, and the Veh altar was behind one)
02:17:49 <|amethyst> but it did not give that message
02:18:25 <|amethyst> without looking at the exploration code, I would guess that it doesn't give that message if you know the area is not reachable
02:20:47 <chequers> dang. i'll submit a PR for opaquing the wall tho
02:21:23 <|amethyst> I don't know, there are good arguments against that
02:21:47 <|amethyst> but
02:22:11 <|amethyst> given that there are other, less-important, vaults that are opaque and disconnected
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02:43:24 <gammafunk> "Your vault is opaque and disconnected!" sounds like good a good insult to say to a vault maker
02:43:40 <gammafunk> maybe extends to topology, so you could insult a topologist as well?
02:44:11 <gammafunk> I'm familiar with dense sets, but haven't heard of opaque sets/spaces, though
02:46:02 <chequers> your set is too dense, like your mom last night
02:46:05 <chequers> ?
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02:47:08 <|amethyst> your dungeon is so disconnected, it has the discrete topology
02:47:18 <ontoclasm> "opaque and disconnected" team name for next tourney
02:47:36 <|amethyst> hm
02:48:29 <ontoclasm> afaik opaque doesn't have a mathematical definition sadly :(
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02:55:27 <gammafunk> my vaults are compact and perfect, like my sets
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02:57:57 <ontoclasm> mmm
02:58:07 <ontoclasm> simple and open
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03:03:59 <Siegurt> ontoclasm: was that another "your mom" joke?
03:04:07 <ontoclasm> :J
03:04:45 <ontoclasm> yo mama so fat she can't be embedded in R3
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10:03:02 <FIQ> hmm let's look into it
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12:02:16 <amalloy> MarvinPA: you mentions changing sprint temples recently, right? https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4yd1rg/linesprint_is_broken_on_cbro/
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12:03:21 <PleasingFungus> lol, there's a permarock wall where pak's temple was
12:04:28 <PleasingFungus> ...or, hm, possibly where xom's was
12:04:51 <PleasingFungus> yeah
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12:08:09 <PleasingFungus> eyeballing the others, should be fine
12:08:16 <PleasingFungus> seem to be in a quick test, anyway
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12:50:16 <MarvinPA> whoops
12:51:10 <MarvinPA> i had a similar thing in one of the others in reverse, where i turned a load of fountains into duplicate trog altars
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13:22:06 <xormask> PleasingFungus, I was thinking about the library system more and I think we should reconsider the PR I have up now. If you allow (M)emorization out of books or your library, I think there is very little inconvenience from the occasional extra r step, especially given that books are rare
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13:23:54 <PleasingFungus> it's so pointless
13:24:05 <PleasingFungus> it's just an additional button press that we're giving people for no reason
13:24:21 <PleasingFungus> *that we're making people do
13:24:21 <xormask> Well you're not making them
13:24:40 <xormask> if they don't want to hit the button they just have the same system that is there now and they have to deal with inventory pressure
13:25:37 <MarvinPA> there's literally no reason to not hit the button though
13:26:19 <Lightli> ??mantis
13:26:20 <Sequell> mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php
13:26:21 <xormask> Unless you're a Trog worshipper or are going to convert to Trog in the future
13:27:14 <MarvinPA> yes, and this has been discussed previously at great length as not being a factor worth making the whole system more complicated for
13:29:10 <xormask> No, I believe the last thing PleasingFungus said was that he didn't think the library had enough advantages to justify the loss of Trog book burning
13:31:39 <PleasingFungus> that's not quite what i said. i said i was torn.
13:32:03 <PleasingFungus> undecided, if you would.
13:32:21 <xormask> My bad
13:33:14 <xormask> Regardless I think being torn qualifies as the Trog discussion (despite being discussed at great length) as perhaps not being over.
13:34:43 <PleasingFungus> i mean, i feel like we have two reasonable systems being discussed right now: the status quo & the goldified book library system. the latter trades a neat little gameplay subsystem for somewhat better UI.
13:34:50 <PleasingFungus> Is that a good trade? I don't know. I could argue it either way.
13:34:55 <PleasingFungus> So, I'm torn.
13:35:31 <PleasingFungus> I'd like a third option, but nothing that anyone's come up with so far has been viable.
13:35:36 <PleasingFungus> Myself included.
13:36:07 <xormask> Can we discuss the requirements for a third option so I can think about it in more structured fashion?
13:37:44 <xormask> What I've gathered is this: 1. No user interaction to add to library. 2. Trog book burning preserved. 3. No useless books cluttering inventory for non Trog users.
13:39:54 <PleasingFungus> well, i think you need to be more specific about point (2).
13:40:36 <PleasingFungus> the interesting thing about trog book burning isn't just that "trog lets you burn books". it's that it's a system that has both flavor, tactical, and potentially strategic implications.
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13:43:03 <xormask> By 2 I meant Trog can burn books in the same way he can now, you seem to be saying there is a little more wiggle room than that
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13:44:06 <PleasingFungus> Yes. I don't particularly care about Crawl Tradition or whatever.
13:45:12 <MarvinPA> i don't think any strategic implications really exist in practice
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13:49:40 <Doesnty> book burning is very good for blocking hallways so you don't get killed by things you could just berserk through anyway
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13:53:28 <ontoclasm> if trog needs conjure flame she should just have it as an ability
13:53:33 <ontoclasm> imo
13:54:04 <PleasingFungus> fine
13:54:12 <PleasingFungus> ok, no book burning, move forward with library. whatever.
13:55:45 <xormask> I seem to recall that adding an inventory screen specifically for books is a no no right?
13:56:04 <PleasingFungus> What would the justification be?
13:56:26 <xormask> Make the library more concrete, have a screen with all the books you've picked up
13:56:31 <xormask> but they don't take inventory space
13:56:49 <PleasingFungus> What does making the library "more concrete" mean?
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13:57:11 <xormask> IE the library is actually a collection of all the books you've picked up
13:57:17 <PleasingFungus> When will a player want to look at this book-inventory screen? What information will it provide them?
13:57:28 <xormask> book descriptions or Trog
13:57:57 <PleasingFungus> So, never.
13:58:34 <xormask> :(
13:59:07 <PleasingFungus> I like book descriptions too. But you can't bend the game around backwards to fit them in.
13:59:12 <PleasingFungus> It makes no sense.
13:59:44 <xormask> I know
13:59:51 <PleasingFungus> OK.
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14:01:28 <xormask> I don't think there is any cleaner way to do the described library system than goldifying books, so I was trying to think of a way to change the library system to allow for more creativity
14:02:16 <PleasingFungus> I know.
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14:27:37 <minmay> this tavern pakellas salt is low quality
14:30:55 <MarvinPA> reddit had a good "why is dcss constantly being streamlined and simplified, that's what's ruining all games these days"
14:31:10 <MarvinPA> but yes, mostly disappointing!
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14:32:57 <Lightli> I think the whole "planning to overhaul rather than remove" thing in the commit might have dispelled most of the rage
14:33:44 <PleasingFungus> now we quietly let them forget...
14:34:19 <minmay> I do like how everyone pretends the devs never considered improving X feature instead of removing it, though
14:37:35 <PleasingFungus> that's a classic crawl community meme
14:37:37 <PleasingFungus> evergreen
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15:23:19 <MarvinPA> is this a bad hacky way to fix fedhassprint for cloakless races: j - the ring of invisibility {+Inv}.
15:23:25 <MarvinPA> (answer: yes, very)
15:24:55 <MarvinPA> surprised that +0 rings are allowed, i guess there should be a ring of nothing like for amulets to do it properly
15:25:05 <koboldina> couldn't the cloakless races just worship dith
15:25:08 <koboldina> and go shadowform for invis
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15:25:19 <koboldina> ??fedhassprint
15:25:20 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled fedhassprint in my learndb.
15:25:34 <koboldina> ??fedhas mad dash
15:25:34 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled fedhas_mad_dash in my learndb.
15:25:35 <MarvinPA> i mean i imagine it's probably still winnable in various ways
15:25:55 <koboldina> wow fedhassprint looks like ass sprint
15:25:56 <MarvinPA> but evocable invis for all was at least always intended to be an available thing
15:26:15 <koboldina> why not just drop a stack of invisy potions
15:26:22 <Shard1697> fed has sprint
15:26:45 <MarvinPA> no xp investment required! for all that that matters in sprint
15:27:03 <MarvinPA> also i'd have to figure out a reasonable number
15:27:22 <MarvinPA> i guess however many oklobs there are
15:29:35 <MarvinPA> "This immature oklob plant seems to be mumbling some orisons... er, what?!?"
15:29:40 <MarvinPA> sprint descriptions are the best
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15:32:35 <MarvinPA> did you know: having quad damage prevents you from becoming fully invisible
15:33:00 <minmay> okay I take it back this pakellas complaining post is amazing https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=286032#p286032
15:34:29 <Shard1697> "maybe pakellas could be a completely different god"
15:34:44 <MarvinPA> YOU BECOME MORE TRANSPARENT, BUT THE GLOW FROM YOUR !!!QUAD DAMAGE!!! PREVENTS
15:34:44 <MarvinPA> YOU FROM BECOMING COMPLETELY INVISIBLE.
15:34:59 <MarvinPA> what a good message
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15:35:06 <gammafunk> that post is hardly the definition of salt
15:35:12 <gammafunk> or the definition of amazing
15:35:31 <gammafunk> nice quad damage message
15:35:51 <minmay> it's not salty, it's amazing because of how vague and existential it is
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15:39:37 <gammafunk> the only amazing thing on tavern right now is that PleasingFungus' trunk updates brought a mod back into playing the game
15:45:46 <koboldina> where's all that amazing tavern drama I've been lead to believe exists
15:47:46 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: ?
15:47:47 <gammafunk> players are staging a revolt! They can't find thematic, crawl-related attire to purchase anywhere on the internet!
15:47:57 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21178
15:48:05 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: you brought back a slug, typical of you
15:48:20 <PleasingFungus> MarvinPA: i refactored that code at some point
15:48:24 <PleasingFungus> otherwise i'd have had no idea
15:48:29 <gammafunk> oh I guess you brought back gastro specifically
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15:49:24 <gammafunk> I don't think I'd seen joellercoaster post since I joined tavern, but maybe I missed it
15:52:37 <MarvinPA> PleasingFungus: i'm very glad that the messaging there can turn into a ridiculous list of all the different reasons you can't be invisible
15:53:15 <MarvinPA> "YOU BECOME MORE TRANSPARENT, BUT THE GLOW FROM THE HALO, MAGICAL CONTAMINATION, CORONA, LIQUID FLAMES AND !!!QUAD DAMAGE!!! PREVENTS YOU FROM BECOMING COMPLETELY INVISIBLE."
15:53:44 <MarvinPA> was a good puzzle to set up!
15:55:12 <gammafunk> !!!QUAD DAMAGE!!! is exactly the sort of inscription I had to make on things like my special bag to hold a wand of cancellation in nethack
15:55:23 <gammafunk> except it was !!!CANCELLATION!!!
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16:01:51 <koboldina> hey pleasingfungus when did the hepl hp penalty come in?
16:02:19 <PleasingFungus> like a week ago?
16:02:34 <PleasingFungus> ish
16:03:25 <koboldina> I thought you already nerfed the ancestors themselves, was he winning too much or something
16:03:37 <PleasingFungus> ya
16:04:13 <PleasingFungus> winning so much we'll get sick of winning
16:04:20 <PleasingFungus> ^ meme
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16:09:00 <gammafunk> %git :/frail
16:09:00 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-1178-gcc2d2a7: List some god conducts on the ^ overview 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 16+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc2d2a76e037
16:09:08 <gammafunk> !gitgrep 2 frail
16:09:09 <Sequell> %git HEAD^{/frail}^^{/frail}
16:09:09 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.19-a0-1123-g80501f5: Make Hep give innate frail 1 10(8 days ago, 5 files, 44+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/80501f5a4e5c
16:09:17 <gammafunk> koboldina: looks like 8 days ago
16:10:31 <koboldina> donald trump is my ancestor memory fragment
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18:03:22 <Lantell> Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1189-g9dc3488 (34)
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18:09:55 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1190-g22e6b5a: Don't mark some magical staves as useless under Trog 10(25 hours ago, 2 files, 10+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/22e6b5a7eddc
18:09:55 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1191-g95e84de: Remove jelly loot vaults from Ziggurats (minqmay) 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 4+ 148-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/95e84de78b33
18:09:55 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1192-gd715d3d: Change Fedhas sprint's cloak of invisibility to an amulet 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 11+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d715d3d86807
18:09:55 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1193-g2641e52: Remove monster stealth 10(82 minutes ago, 6 files, 4+ 86-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2641e522481c
18:11:26 <gammafunk> wow, jellies no longer eating zig loot
18:11:29 <gammafunk> these are heady days
18:12:09 <amalloy> jiyva nerf
18:12:32 <gammafunk> why I remember when you couldn't even use firestorm/ice storm near the loot pile lest you destroy scrolls/potions!
18:13:01 <MarvinPA> god
18:13:13 <MarvinPA> the number of times i have shattered literally every potion in my stash
18:13:25 <MarvinPA> good memories
18:14:07 <gammafunk> I remember seeing a scroll of acquirement on my last level of pan, as I was about to exit, then after killing a demon or two it was gone
18:14:23 <gammafunk> spent 15 minutes looking for it...until I realized that Ring of Flames destroyed scrolls....
18:14:38 <MarvinPA> :')
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18:15:35 <Ladykiller69> Hello
18:15:42 <Ladykiller69> where do I report a glitch
18:16:02 <gammafunk> you can mention it here, but to make a bug report
18:16:03 <gammafunk> ??mantis
18:16:04 <Sequell> mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php
18:16:24 <gammafunk> register there and you can report a bug
18:16:31 <Ladykiller69> well it seems like the int drain demons can reach into step from time or something
18:16:49 <gammafunk> hah, like neqoxecs?
18:16:57 <Ladykiller69> those ones, yes
18:17:11 <gammafunk> hrm, so you had one in LOS, did step from time, emerged with more int drain?
18:17:21 <Ladykiller69> i think so, yes
18:17:28 <gammafunk> let me see if I can recreate
18:17:40 <Ladykiller69> was in .18
18:17:50 <Lightli> random thought: Just how strong is poison magic supposed to be?
18:19:02 <gammafunk> I can't seem to recreate in trunk
18:19:05 <gammafunk> let me try 0.18
18:19:46 <Ladykiller69> the thing was they seemed to get turns after I had cast step from time
18:19:46 <MarvinPA> i can repro it if you stand at 1,1
18:19:59 <MarvinPA> looks like they don't care about you being out of bounds
18:20:04 <gammafunk> ahhh
18:20:07 <MarvinPA> i wonder if other spells have that issue
18:20:26 <gammafunk> yeah right, the thing where step moves you to 0,0?
18:20:26 <MarvinPA> yeah
18:21:12 <Ladykiller69> should I still post in mantis?
18:21:50 <gammafunk> well, with 6 neqos, standing at 1,1
18:21:51 <MarvinPA> yes please, so it doesn't get forgotten in case it doesn't get figured out/fixed now
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18:22:00 <gammafunk> my resulting int after a single step from time was -75
18:22:15 <gammafunk> good chei bug
18:22:27 <gammafunk> starting from 25 int, I might add
18:23:04 <MarvinPA> nice, it's definitely a general issue
18:23:15 <MarvinPA> orc priests will smite you while you're time-stepped (for 0 damage)
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18:23:24 <gammafunk> oh, why zero?
18:23:54 <MarvinPA> !source ouch
18:23:55 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ouch.cc#L848
18:24:06 <MarvinPA> you specifically can't be hurt while timestepped!
18:24:55 <MarvinPA> Corr (-220)
18:24:55 <MarvinPA> etc
18:25:04 <MarvinPA> this is a fun catch
18:25:38 <Ladykiller69> and thus I sacrificed my fo on the altar of science.
18:26:04 <gammafunk> Ladykiller69: what int did you have after step from time?
18:26:12 <Ladykiller69> just 0
18:26:19 <gammafunk> could be worse, I guess
18:26:34 <Ladykiller69> I died to mnonlegeleg in a somewhat resigned fashion
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18:28:25 <MarvinPA> i don't really know what the right way to fix this in general would be
18:28:31 <MarvinPA> step from time is weird
18:28:55 <gammafunk> I guess there should be some "within bounds" test that all abilities use
18:29:16 <gammafunk> but if the only function for that is detecting step from time...
18:29:40 <Ladykiller69> how do I generate my dump file?
18:29:47 <gammafunk> hit #
18:30:00 <Ladykiller69> does that work when im dead
18:30:05 <gammafunk> no
18:30:12 <gammafunk> !lg ladykiller69
18:30:13 <Sequell> 593. Ladykiller69 the Executioner (L27 FoFi of Cheibriados), mangled by a large abomination (summoned by Mnoleg) in Pandemonium on 2016-08-18 22:11:59, with 812690 points after 58916 turns and 7:54:06.
18:30:16 <gammafunk> !lg ladykiller69  -log
18:30:17 <Sequell> 593. Ladykiller69, XL27 FoFi, T:58916: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Ladykiller69/morgue-Ladykiller69-20160818-221159.txt
18:30:36 <gammafunk> for that you can use irc queries, or look on your CAO score page
18:30:49 <gammafunk> the latter doesn't update right away though
18:31:00 <Ladykiller69> and I just put that link in the bug report?
18:31:16 <gammafunk> Yeah it's helpful to include that in your report
18:31:32 <MarvinPA> yeah, although this seems to be easily reproducible at least so it doesn't matter so much either way
18:31:38 <MarvinPA> but a good habit generally!
18:34:12 <Ladykiller69> alright
18:34:13 <Ladykiller69> reported
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18:56:19 <gammafunk> amalloy: thanks for updating the link, btw, I'll not change video platforms again until like 2060, when holotube.com is online and we have holograms
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18:56:45 <amalloy> gammafunk: yeah /r/dcss actually used up the last of its flash drive's writes, so i'll be unable to change it ever again
18:57:20 <gammafunk> I always suspected that reddit was just a usb drive on some dude's laptop, now I know...
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22:46:27 <Shard1697> https://i.gyazo.com/7e4ef04668001c931ae08ea9274e1385.png the graceful and elegant process of a new tile's rough
22:46:59 <gammafunk> the heck is that
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22:53:43 <amalloy> donkeygnoll
22:53:50 <amalloy> new tile for gnollcrawl to replace jackals
22:54:32 <CanOfWorms> not death gnoll?
22:54:37 <Shard1697> very early gnoll yes
22:54:54 <Shard1697> trying n trying to get a head that looks properly doglike
22:55:31 <Dracunos> People don't like change
22:56:19 <ontoclasm> note: hyenas are not dogs actually
22:56:24 <ontoclasm> they're closer to cats
22:56:25 <CanOfWorms> ah, so that's why gnollcrawl exists
22:56:28 <Shard1697> they look like em though
22:56:30 <CanOfWorms> the ultimate stasis
22:56:37 <Shard1697> and the crawl description calls gnolls doglike
22:56:38 <Shard1697> iirc
22:56:56 <Shard1697> either way I don't like the current old gnoll tiles
22:59:23 <gammafunk> are they that old?
22:59:38 <Dracunos> I think they are beautiful
22:59:42 <Dracunos> !source gnoll.png
22:59:43 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/gnoll.png
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22:59:59 <Dracunos> beauuutiful beautiful.. horse-gnolls
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23:01:11 <CanOfWorms> yeah gnolls could use a rework
23:01:21 <gammafunk> seems they are, only commit in the repo I can see that touches them in back in 2011
23:01:28 <gammafunk> hrm, but when where they imported
23:02:02 <gammafunk> must have just been a directory reorg in that commit
23:02:10 <gammafunk> so it's masking what happened at the previous location
23:02:20 <ontoclasm> some new tiles for them are in some mantis thing but i didn't really like them so
23:02:54 <gammafunk> they kind of look like furry lizards
23:03:05 <Dracunos> My friend says he thinks it looks like a blaziken
23:03:09 <gammafunk> with white hair
23:03:09 <Dracunos> http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:257Blaziken.png
23:03:20 <Dracunos> I wanted like a fresh eye, someone who doesn't play crawl
23:03:41 <gammafunk> pokemon, that's what kids are into, right?
23:04:03 <Dracunos> I did like the last game
23:04:07 <Shard1697> they always kinda looked like, idk
23:04:10 <Dracunos> well, it's probably like three games ago by now
23:04:14 <Shard1697> weird worm people with feathers on their head
23:04:27 <Dracunos> the first 3ds pokemon in 3d
23:04:47 <Dracunos> But I think they look more horselike, personally
23:05:21 <Shard1697> I remember seeing those mantis gnolls and I sorta liked them, but
23:05:31 <Shard1697> they looked like crocodile people
23:06:28 <chequers> just keep the colour scheme
23:06:42 <CanOfWorms> what's the link to mantis gnolls
23:06:49 <chequers> crawl monsters in early d and lair all look similar, gnolls are nice and unique
23:06:57 <chequers> especially in colour, but also in silhouette
23:07:19 <Shard1697> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=3494&type=bug
23:07:24 <Shard1697> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=3513&type=bug
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23:08:13 <CanOfWorms> good mohawks
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23:19:09 <ProzacElf> they look like they could go into river city rumble
23:19:27 <ProzacElf> an underrated game
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23:46:45 <gammafunk> river city...ransom? that's the river city game I remember
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