00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:45 PleasingFungus: is there any possibility of removing the "no damage" thing from confusing touch(and then probably nerfing the success rate a bit?) 00:01:19 but it's still dispelled on success? 00:08:03 sure, why not? 00:08:17 i always felt the most disappointing part of it was the no damage part 00:08:21 here's an answer in form of a question. when would you not want to have that buff on? 00:08:39 and it apparently does no damage on a non-successful hit? 00:08:42 ok, fair point 00:09:05 maybe there's some way around that 00:09:06 idk 00:11:05 hm. transform() takes a spellpower number, not a duration, and forms can have a different spellpower->duration scaling factor 00:12:02 oh, this potion is using existing goodforms? 00:12:36 i wasn't planning to invent a new one 00:15:22 think of it as an opportunity to implement every ridiculous form idea that has popped up before though! 00:16:07 i'll leave that as an implementable 00:18:59 abstract it? Have a function which knows how to convert turns -> spellpower for any form 00:19:11 then make every use of the potion result in dragon form 00:19:28 AND activate gruntlang when you enter dragon form (long overdue fr) 00:22:15 i mean 00:22:24 it seems fundamentally okay if it follows the same rules as spellpower 00:22:40 it's okay if blade hand potion doesn't last as long as spider potion 00:22:52 -!- sysice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:23:42 it might be a good idea to create a new form(s) for this. like the various forms have different rules, and if you don't know which one you'll be transforming into it can get weird. like, the player can't be sure whether quaffing will reduce a stat to 0 00:23:53 for now i won't, but it's a possible follow-up 00:24:13 heh, i know the potion is supposed to give a UC boost, but spider form is probably going to feel like a punishment most of the time 00:25:05 really? 00:25:14 i mean, it usually feels like a punishment when xom doesn't, but you don't get a UC boost to go along with your now bad AC 00:25:16 compared to meleeing things as a mage? 00:25:17 er 00:25:19 when xom does it 00:25:23 not doesn't 00:25:30 and you get sick EV as a spider 00:26:34 it's probably ok in most situations since there's a uc plus involved 00:27:42 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 00:27:59 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:28:30 i think the stat modifications from transmutations were all removed, amalloy 00:28:42 right, but gear 00:29:04 when / how is this potion meant to be useful? 00:29:08 ahahahaa yes, i just quaffed a potion and got blade hands 00:29:21 👏 00:29:48 if this potion is like... a !lig competitor I feel any form will be a good form. But if it's meant to be good all 15-rune game long, yeah... 00:30:07 i think it's in between lig and might 00:31:41 heh. i do think it's fun how ludicrously powerful !lig is if you already have a bunch of UC though 00:31:53 assuming you're next to the thing you want to kill anyway 00:31:53 is it? 00:31:58 statue, blade would probably always be good (at least in most player estimations), dragon and lich are questionable. Ice is a maybe. The rest are probably problems 00:32:09 well, i've never used it much past lair 00:32:17 wouldn't recommend that 00:32:25 but you defintely do very good damage in tree form 00:32:27 if you have good UC 00:32:33 subject to change, but the current list is TRAN_SPIDER, TRAN_BLADE_HANDS, TRAN_STATUE, TRAN_ICE_BEAST, TRAN_HYDRA, TRAN_DRAGON 00:32:51 hydra form is usually p good too it seems like 00:33:00 although the lower defenses might be an issue 00:34:06 also, if this makes it in there is some code in xom.cc I am willing to update 00:34:11 ugh, a separate DUR_ for this is a PITA. i think i'll undo all the dumb stuff i did and just set a prop when you quaff this, and unset it when you untransform 00:34:30 (replace 'good act' transmutation with higher chance for potion good act with this in the list 00:42:10 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:11 The build passed. (polypotion - 6e10de1 #6350 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/152305149 00:42:11 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:43:27 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:41 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 00:48:19 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:04 03amalloy02 07[polypotion] * 0.19-a0-1170-gc0a36ff: Implement the transformation part of !prowess 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 25+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c0a36ffa1358 00:49:04 03amalloy02 07[polypotion] * 0.19-a0-1171-ge0da882: Implement the UC scaling for !prowess 10(20 seconds ago, 7 files, 10+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0da8829148b 00:50:03 wow, sounds like a pro potion 00:50:49 gnollcrawl is playable on CPO 00:54:05 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:56:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:57:27 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:07 zxc: 04:50 < chequers> gnollcrawl is playable on CPO 01:03:19 goodness me 01:03:20 ok 01:04:13 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:06:41 prowess?! ice beasts are not dainty creatures, amalloy! They are ice-cold killers. 01:06:45 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:09:39 03amalloy02 07[polypotion] * 0.19-a0-1172-gdf106ff: Don't transform yred players into a statue 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/df106ffcbd4b 01:09:39 03amalloy02 07[polypotion] * 0.19-a0-1173-gad4709c: Make potions of prowess spawn normally 10(66 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ad4709cfa1d8 01:11:49 hm so i guess it's time to look at the UC bonus formula for real. maybe it should just be like, player XL * 1.5, up to a maximum of 15? and if your base UC is higher than that you get no bonus 01:12:01 amalloy: have you found the other List Of All Consumables? 01:12:23 there's a completely separate list of (almost) every consumable, used for zig loot 01:12:36 it's called something like good_items (not the actual name) 01:13:50 is it in lua? 01:14:01 i don't see anything like that in c++ 01:14:06 let me grep around for a sec 01:14:21 or if so it doesn't include !might, in which case i am happy to not include !prowess either 01:14:52 oh, i lied, it was good_scrolls 01:14:58 which, as the name implies, does not include potions 01:15:31 !source dgn.good_scrolls 01:15:32 Can't find dgn.good_scrolls. 01:15:59 !source dat/dlua/dungeon.lua:641 01:15:59 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/dungeon.lua#L641 01:16:03 ^ check that baby out 01:16:03 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:18:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1168-g98094fc (34) 01:23:40 03amalloy02 07[polypotion] * 0.19-a0-1174-g62da168: Scale UC bonus for !prowess more reasonable 10(9 seconds ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62da1687b18f 01:26:32 okay, the state of that polypotion branch looks somewhat decent to me. does anyone want to look over it and see what i missed? like i'd be happy to just do some rebase cleanup and merge it in, but i'm sure it could use some improvement 01:27:41 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:27:51 dang, moving fast 01:28:25 is blade hands "a powerful beast"? 01:28:32 haha hm i guess not 01:29:10 "transform you into a shape more suitable for combat"? 01:29:15 sure 01:30:35 not a fan of the yred code 01:30:43 agreed 01:31:14 can't just use a while loop with god_hates_form or whatever it is, because zin hates everything 01:31:16 what i would suggest is a larger refactoring (and I can do the first part of this) 01:31:18 oh, haha 01:31:31 is there actually a god hates form? 01:31:36 i dunno. there should be imo 01:31:43 my suggestion was 01:32:00 (a) refactor the two current mappings from spell to form (in spl-cast.cc and xom.cc) into one helper function (probably in transform.cc) 01:32:52 03amalloy02 07[polypotion] * 0.19-a0-1175-g461fcb9: Blade hands is not a powerful beast 10(45 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/461fcb93303b 01:32:59 (b) make the effect choose a spell; build a vector of spells, filtering out those that your god hates, and then transform into the corresponding form 01:33:08 as you noted, (b) has the problem of zin 01:33:27 well, that's not a problem, because you can check that the list is empty 01:33:32 and then do what? 01:33:35 just use the base list? 01:33:37 imo 01:33:45 a simpler solution would be to just mark the potion as potentially dangerous for yred-ites 01:33:52 like wand of random effects for chei or dith 01:33:52 hm 01:34:00 well yred excommunicates you 01:34:01 or tso 01:34:10 not just penance 01:34:11 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:34:13 you drinks the potion, you takes your chances 01:34:32 as long as he doesn't do that when you drink the potion *un-id'd* 01:34:53 we already have was_known, so that should be doable 01:35:17 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:35:19 i don't think it's really fair to have this one interaction of "dangerous" mean "might excommunicate you", when all the others are at worst penance 01:35:47 that seems like a yred problem, not a problem with this potion 01:35:52 the same thing is true of the spell, after all 01:35:53 yes, i was about to say that 01:36:05 otoh the good gods exco for lichform 01:36:33 what's the messaging like if you quaff prowess and fail check_form_stat_safety(TRAN_SPIDER)? 01:36:40 or does that have its own messaging 01:36:54 it doesn't mention the form, i think. i'll double check 01:37:41 i'm just wondering if, like, you quaff the potion and it just silently aborts 01:38:42 right 01:39:00 it does message, supposedly, but i just tried it and got paralysed 01:39:04 so, some debugging to do 01:39:19 :) 01:39:53 oh, that function doesn't check equipped gear 01:40:00 only str/dex mods for the form itself 01:41:03 i see that currently casting spider form does not warn you 01:41:10 so i guess this potion shouldn't either 01:41:58 there's a patch someone submitted a while ago to try to fix those warnings 01:42:04 I can't believe you guys aren't getting in on the Big New Craze 01:42:07 but it was huge and also broken 01:42:13 and i never finished fixing it :( 01:42:32 I forgot what i was actually going to ask 01:42:40 Dracunos: was it why we weren't playing gnollcrawl 01:42:55 No, that I remembered and mentioned vaguely above 01:43:15 Zxc is demanding all these changes 01:43:15 You guys know what that's like 01:43:19 haha 01:43:25 rip 01:44:37 PleasingFungus: so mark it as actually red for yred, you're thinking, not just purple? 01:45:08 yes 01:45:17 i believe that's consistent 01:47:16 and it's already red for zin because it's chaotic 01:47:29 -!- Dingo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:48:27 -!- qwebirc28109 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:48:28 bikeshedding: I think you should use 'transmute' rather than 'transform' and possibly other words whenever possible in the description, so it's clear this potion is related to the spell school 01:48:32 03amalloy02 07[polypotion] * 0.19-a0-1176-gc7fd98b: Yredites will just have to risk statue form if they !prowess 10(19 seconds ago, 2 files, 4+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7fd98bd6bc8 01:50:26 <+amalloy> can't just use a while loop with god_hates_form or whatever it is <-- can't you just hardcode zin? 01:50:31 03amalloy02 07[polypotion] * 0.19-a0-1177-gb9da9fa: Fix a (quite reasonable!) compiler warning 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b9da9faedb21 01:50:38 chequers: yred was the problem 01:51:03 oh, that yred 01:51:28 hm 01:51:36 amalloy: surely it's also bad for zin? 01:51:47 or is that handled elsewhere 01:51:48 -!- gerrrmafank has quit [Client Quit] 01:51:49 chequers: like i said it's already red for zin 01:51:53 er, PleasingFungus 01:51:57 because it's chaotic 01:51:57 o 01:52:00 cool 01:52:51 i guess maybe we should be explicit about that? probably not 01:53:02 did you make it red or purple for tso? 01:53:07 otherwise we'd have to be about every chaotic item 01:53:13 oh dang, because of fuckin spiders 01:53:21 god this game is complicated 01:53:21 yeah 01:53:23 lol 01:53:40 i mean, i don't recall if he hates the spell, but he'll sure hate if you attack with it 01:54:23 it's marked as red but you don't get penance for casting it 01:54:31 makes sense 01:54:33 it would be mean to allow tso worshippers to transform into an UC-boosted spider, but tso worshippers deserve it 01:54:48 since it doesn't make you faster than speed 10 anymore, there's not much use in casting it 01:54:53 unless you're a naga of tso 01:54:56 what 01:54:56 i guess 01:54:57 about 01:54:59 ev 01:55:00 !!!! 01:55:04 !!!!! 01:55:04 you don't get a warning for casting the spell *or* for attacking a monster 01:55:06 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1168-g98094fc 01:55:08 it's just red 01:55:11 and then you get penance 01:55:17 hey, you found a bug! 01:55:19 heh 01:55:20 i wonder if that's my fault somehow 01:55:24 i changed some relevant stuff 01:55:30 a month or so ago 01:55:32 !blame PleasingFungus 01:55:32 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 01:55:53 i could take spider form out 01:56:04 it's the weakest one presently 01:56:29 it's cool to be a spider though 01:56:31 replace it with porcupine XD 01:57:36 So, my silly gnollcrawl idea 01:57:46 Apparently some people think it can actually be good 01:57:52 Which implies that I should put more effort into it 01:58:17 ?? 01:58:27 confusing 01:58:41 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:58:52 I'm in the wrong channel anyway :p 01:59:14 is there a wrong channel for gnollcrawl 01:59:17 the worst thing linley ever did was invent a second monster type 01:59:29 orb guardian, and done. 01:59:33 lol 01:59:39 monsters are all orb guardians anyway 01:59:46 true! 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:37 fr: the other orbs of power 02:00:56 gotta catch 'em all 02:01:06 not the neutral quokka which spawns in that one ely vault 02:01:08 "sorry, the orb of zot is in another dungeon" 02:01:11 did you know in wizmode you can pick up multiple orbs of zot, ProzacElf 02:01:20 i was not aware of that 02:01:37 nothing very interesting happens though 02:01:40 lol 02:01:44 too bad 02:01:50 you have double -ctele! 02:01:52 -!- sjl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:02 you don't get -cTele anymore, you get Orb 02:02:07 oh right 02:03:15 @??vault warden 02:03:15 vault warden (04p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 75-103 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 36 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 1684 | Sp: seal doors | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 02:04:22 would it be absolutely awful to just have gods which would have issue with the potion remove the chance for the forms they would have issue with 02:05:09 it wouldn't be. but as PF pointed out, it's currently awkward to do that in a clean way 02:05:23 and the precedent for stuff /random is that you take your chances 02:05:29 stuff like 02:06:03 flame with dith, yeah 02:06:10 you're throwing out part of your new item's potential userbase! 02:06:18 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06:19 oh... no.. 02:06:37 if TSO can subdue poison stings I think ~anything is possible~ 02:06:41 au contraire, chequers: i'm encouraging god-cconduct reform 02:07:38 * chequers recoils from the divine light bursting forth from around amalloy's suddenly-angelic head. god conduct... reform?!?!?! 02:08:41 removal of dith conduct would be great 02:09:04 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:24 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:11:19 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:14:01 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:23 03amalloy02 07[polypotion] * 0.19-a0-1178-g7fdd737: Fix prowess skill calculation 10(17 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7fdd737f6b96 02:18:21 classic 02:18:26 srsly 02:22:19 so 5-15 skill, right 02:22:36 yeah 02:22:55 -!- Cimanyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:22:55 based on your XL 02:24:08 PleasingFungus: what more do you think i should do on this branch? obviously clean up the git history, but in terms of actual code changes 02:24:36 code seems fine to me 02:24:47 i can't even recall a time i've added a new feature/item; i mostly just fix or improve existing things 02:24:51 heh 02:25:06 i personally would procrastinate on actually adding it to the game before more people than are on tonight can comment 02:25:17 but it's not gonna destroy the game one way or another 02:25:59 that's a good suggestion, of course. i'll mention it in here like 12 hours from now and see who pipes up 02:26:31 wait until minmay is on so they can tell you the incredibly niche way it breaks something 02:26:43 minmay is on 02:26:51 in ##dieselrobin at least 02:29:18 what's the difference between kmons: 1 = gnoll and kmons: 1 : gnoll? Anything? 02:29:49 ah, it's described in KFEATd 02:29:51 Dracunos: ^ 02:32:40 in the spirit of criticism, I might offer up 'more inventory clutter', 'too much overlap with lig', 'dilutes and weakens the tmut school' 02:32:54 off the top of my head 02:32:59 sorry, that was a bit of a gish gallop; i'm just brainstorming 02:33:12 'too much overlap with lig' is the only one of those i'm terribly concerned about 02:33:58 03amalloy02 07[polypotion] * 0.19-a0-1169-g9c3d784: Add "potion of prowess", a melee transformation potion 10(3 hours ago, 12 files, 78+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c3d78425ac5 02:34:16 amalloy squashes the commit like a bug!!! 02:34:32 i had several revisions that weren't just 100% squashed 02:34:44 but then each time it was like "actually this dumb mistake is not interesting enough to be a commit" 02:35:48 heh 02:40:35 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:36 The build has errored. (polypotion - 62da168 #6353 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/152312990 02:40:37 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:41:05 Any ideas on a score mechanic to replace exp gain? 02:41:47 what? 02:42:05 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1169-g4149f68: Seperate => separate 10(13 seconds ago, 4 files, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4149f6864661 02:42:11 a way to calculate score that doesn't depend on xp? 02:42:11 Gnoll crawl games seem to be stuck at 0 score 02:42:11 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:42:41 you could just adjust the formula for xp -> level 02:42:46 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:42:47 The build has errored. (polypotion - 461fcb9 #6354 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/152313693 02:42:47 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:42:48 i think those may literally all be r-i commits. the first few are, at least 02:42:54 so that you still gain xp, but never level up 02:43:25 I think I might have to change how score is actually being calculated 02:43:35 Dracunos: i feel like you should figure out what's causing the 0 score before trying to fix it 02:43:40 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:43:46 Well, setting max experience to 1 02:43:49 oh 02:43:51 that'd do it 02:43:51 Probably did it 02:43:55 haha 02:44:04 So if I bypassed exp gain another way, it would bring the scoring back? 02:44:11 if you just make it take like a billion xp to get to xl 2 02:44:13 yeah you'd have to change how score is calculated if you want players to get score before getting runes 02:44:13 or something 02:44:24 that should work, i think? 02:44:26 there's a function for the player gaining XP 02:44:29 you could just disable that 02:44:46 I mean, is score calculated referencing the player experience level? 02:44:50 probably after stuff like xp wrath and xp evokers fire, i guess 02:44:57 Yeah, that stuff still works 02:44:59 it's calculated referencing total player xp 02:45:07 Got wrath seems to work 02:45:16 Because that stuff doesn't check max exp 02:45:19 you're misunderstanding me 02:45:19 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:45:44 !source gain_exp 02:45:45 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-grow.cc#L154 02:45:49 oh, wrong one 02:45:51 !source gain_exp 2 02:45:51 2/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#L2644 02:46:10 ^ I was suggesting disabling this function, but keeping the xp penance, xp evokers, etc stuff working 02:47:10 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:47:20 so probably just deleting blocks of it; 2714-2726 is probably the bit you want 02:47:48 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:49 The build has errored. (polypotion - c7fd98b #6355 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/152314981 02:47:50 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:48:58 Yeah, I have that part edited out already 02:49:06 i simply don't believe you, travis 02:49:27 but don't set max_xp to 1 02:49:30 except you.exp_available is set to equal 0 02:49:36 I see, so that change was redundant 02:49:38 And caused errors 02:49:41 maybe! 02:49:42 So a good change 02:49:51 this code is complex; i'm not an expert myself 02:49:57 but that's what it sounds like 02:51:00 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1169-g4149f68 02:52:54 I think if I don't do something about the you.experience it'll display weird on the screen.. But disabling level_change should still prevent leveling Isuppose 02:53:24 just remove the xp display 02:53:29 output.cc 02:53:32 Yeah! 02:53:35 :) 02:53:40 replace it with the word "gnoll%" 02:53:48 Ha, what would that do? :D 02:54:04 display "gnoll%" in the top right at all times, hopefully 02:54:27 Oh, you mean gnoll percent experience 02:54:28 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:29 The build has errored. (polypotion - b9da9fa #6356 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/152315103 02:54:29 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:54:48 нф 02:54:49 *ya 02:55:27 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:51 wow, we have a russian spy in channel 02:56:40 нет! 02:56:59 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 02:58:56 replace all text with "gnoll" 02:58:59 also replace Hu-- with Gn 02:59:11 maybe you could rework buttlang into gnolllang 02:59:13 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:13 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:59:14 The build has errored. (polypotion - 7fdd737 #6357 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/152317806 02:59:14 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:59:26 make a pull request :O 02:59:45 amalloy's errors piling up... 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:06 travis is a filthy liar who wants me to fail 03:02:48 hm 03:02:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:02:59 elf_loot_randomisation sets e.kfeat("$ = $") 03:03:01 what's with that 03:05:44 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 03:07:45 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:09:59 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:10:15 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1169-g4149f68 (34) 03:11:45 Your rod of inaccuracy {!a} has recharged. 03:11:56 should I be able to tell when an unidentified rod has recharged? 03:13:22 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1169-g4149f68 (34) 03:37:57 -!- nepochal has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44:11 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:44:55 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:44:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:49:32 -!- Because has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:36 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:44 -!- Patashu__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:55:03 -!- Because has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:59:30 -!- eb_ has quit [] 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:38 WhatIsLove (L27 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 507: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 623 (Tomb:1) 04:02:59 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:08:05 WhatIsLove (L27 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 507: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 623 (Tomb:1) 04:12:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:23:00 Cases fall through to the next case without a break? 04:23:31 Duh 04:30:27 -!- PElf has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:43 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:41 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:35:56 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:36:14 -!- Patashu has quit [Client Quit] 04:36:29 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:10 -!- Patashu has quit [Client Quit] 04:41:27 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:38 cases without a break? call a union representative! 04:42:00 there are no unions in the dungeon 04:42:11 why do you think everyone is trying to kill you 04:49:02 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:22 -!- chan20 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:58:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:29 entry vaults need tweaking: http://i.imgur.com/fmfSwFv.png 04:59:29 cases falling through things sounds like a workplace hazard 05:00:02 yeah, those are plants :D 05:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:06 I hopefully already patched that 05:00:34 fr stationary gnolls 05:00:42 !tell amalloy i'm very unconvinced by the merits of a new potion just duplicating a bunch of spells, the commit justification doesn't seem great to me 05:00:42 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let amalloy know. 05:01:00 :D That wouldn't be super hard to do actually 05:01:12 !tell amalloy !might and !agility already do the thing it's supposed to do pretty effectively 05:01:12 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let amalloy know. 05:01:12 But I need to sleep 05:01:34 actually you can do it with a 1-tile moat because they have polearms 05:02:11 Wow, hunger is actually well abstracted? 05:02:24 Looks like I can just return this make hungry function and that's it 05:02:28 !tell amalloy and lignify also does it okay situationally/in the earlygame, without the downside of being a plain duplicated effect 05:02:28 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let amalloy know. 05:02:37 WhatIsLove (L27 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 507: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 623 (Tomb:1) 05:05:36 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:08:21 -!- sneakyness has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:08:45 oh and !berserk also qualifies i guess 05:08:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:12:20 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:12:31 If I set temple to spawn only on d:1 in branch-data, will the dungeon maker get all fumbled up with like, entry vaults being incompatible sizes or anything like that? 05:12:35 -!- Poncheis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:14:54 WhatIsLove (L27 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 507: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 623 (Tomb:1) 05:31:30 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:37:46 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:57 WhatIsLove (L27 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 507: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 623 (Tomb:1) 05:41:37 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:45:31 It worked, but no entry vaults 05:51:59 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:59:30 -!- PElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:18 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:05:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:13:17 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:15:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:36 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:46 -!- ig0rb1t has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:19:39 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:20:06 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:20:36 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:43 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:26:38 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:28:50 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:29:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:30:17 WhatIsLove (L27 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 507: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 623 (Tomb:1) 06:48:42 -!- mad0wl has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:51:18 -!- ig0rb1t has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:53:39 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:58:02 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:22:17 WhatIsLove (L27 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 507: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 623 (Tomb:1) 07:29:58 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:43:11 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:53:03 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:45 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:09:00 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:09:38 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:32 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:28:22 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:28:37 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 08:40:44 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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