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(www.adiirc.com)] 00:48:37 hm 00:48:54 a little silly, i suppose... 00:49:12 i guess you could use species names for the base type of named derived undea 00:49:14 *undead 00:52:32 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:07 i thought it used to be that way 00:53:18 either that or it just said "the skeleton" 00:54:01 it did that for everything 00:54:05 the human skeleton 00:54:07 but i'm pretty sure there was a unique whose species i hadn't ever really thought of until i saw them in zombie form 00:54:08 oh 00:54:08 heh 00:54:15 so you could have a centaur skeleton 00:54:23 and maybe it's a centaur warrior skeleton 00:54:33 and the only way you can tell is that it shows up a different color in the threat display 00:54:40 mega cunning 00:54:47 alternately, orc warlord zombies vs orc zombies 00:54:47 i remember that messed with me for a long time 00:54:58 before i was like 'oh, it's a centaur warrior skeleton!' 00:55:00 i'm pretty sure we had dev bug reports from that 00:55:14 anyway it's redundant for named characters, so we could probably go to species for those 00:55:28 but i'm in the middle of a huge pile of code 00:56:03 eh, it's not exactly a big deal 00:57:51 btw i implemented gnollcrawl for dracunos 00:58:00 he wanted a version where every monster is a gnoll 00:58:13 !!! 00:58:24 a masterwork 00:58:31 what did you actually do 00:59:01 %git 1524c7a 00:59:01 Could not find commit 1524c7a (git returned 128) 00:59:05 https://github.com/amalloy/crawl/commit/1524c7a 00:59:47 with proper funding we could fix some of the bugs 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:15 like skeletons remain unchanged for some reason. they don't even turn into gnoll skeletons 01:03:55 neat 01:04:07 presumably doesn't use that codepath 01:04:36 -!- qguv has quit [Quit: bye] 01:05:54 -!- eb has quit [] 01:10:42 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:04 fencer tech: riposting with axes applies cleaving 01:11:12 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:11:13 is this intended? 01:12:13 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:12:40 -!- kdrnic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:07 heh 01:13:56 wow 01:13:58 it probably shouldn't 01:14:05 so your damage scales quadratically with number of enemies 01:14:12 it was anticipated 01:14:14 we talked about it before 01:14:25 i don't think it's necessarily a problem 01:15:27 -!- sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:15:33 it doesn't seem that it should to me, personally, but obviously it's just one weird unrand, so not really a big deal 01:15:51 weird unrand, how redundant 01:18:53 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:19:38 i mean, the nice thing with fencing is that it's literally just a melee attack 01:19:42 er, riposte* 01:19:42 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1166-g02d67b9 (34) 01:19:46 with as few special cases as possible 01:20:05 axes already have a downside for cleaving priced in 01:21:35 redunrandant 01:22:41 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:27:08 this monster is currently at +200 LOC 01:27:12 i think i have made mistakes 01:30:56 oh yeah 01:31:01 !seen ontoclasm 01:31:01 I last saw ontoclasm at Sun Aug 14 02:39:46 2016 UTC (2h 51m 14s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 258 seconds'. 01:31:04 feh 01:31:36 also fencer untech: seems that riposte cleaving chops hydra heads 01:32:27 i thought i turned that off 01:32:33 i forget 01:32:54 yes, i did 01:33:35 maybe only for the riposte itself, and not for the cleave? 01:33:46 hi 01:34:11 hello, the first version of the ontoclasm AI 01:35:47 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:45:43 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 01:46:41 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:48:49 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:49:49 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:03 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1166-g02d67b9 01:55:27 ontoclasm1: wrt the green outline around friendlies 01:55:32 did you end up going with the bit in front, or not? 01:55:38 i guess i could probably look this up myself 01:55:54 i'm just wondering because of watching a guy trying to figure out if his makhleb balrug was friendly or not 01:55:56 tricky since it filled the tile 01:56:16 iirc i was against having a bit in front, but i think i was wrong 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:49 -!- adrogant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:54 -!- kdrnic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:08:47 @??salamander mystic 02:08:47 salamander mystic (08N) | Spd: 10 (swim: 70%) | HD: 10 | HP: 53-77 | AC/EV: 7/7 | Dam: 1004(fire:10-19) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 771 | Sp: mystic blast (3d15), b.magma (3d18), haste other | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 02:08:50 i.... don't remember 02:08:51 >.> 02:08:56 -!- ontoclasm1 is now known as ontoclasm 02:13:04 hm 02:13:06 i'll test 02:17:02 looks like 'sort of' 02:17:15 http://i.imgur.com/dyNCuIb.png 02:22:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-1167-g79b6552: --"Eustachio the Eustachio skeleton" (ProzacElf) 10(78 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/79b6552df9d4 02:26:41 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:29:15 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 02:33:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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What game is Kramin playing... 03:49:24 gloves 03:49:27 I mean 03:49:54 mixed up with stab boots 03:49:57 what's next 03:50:01 cleave cloak? 03:50:15 reach helmet 03:50:18 -!- chan20 has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 03:50:49 reach+cleave 4Head 03:50:55 5x5 cleave 03:51:21 The Lernaean Dis Serpent of Hell 03:52:28 hmm 03:52:37 what about riposte+dark maul 03:52:37 check out dis serpent 03:52:40 ??dark maul 03:52:41 dark maul[1/1]: +10 great mace of crushing with altered stats: 52 dam / -2 acc / 3.0 base delay / 1.65 min delay (with 27 m&f) 03:52:48 fr blink dagger unrand 03:52:49 riposte+dark maul is probably bonkers 03:53:27 dark maul on a formicid was already fun, fencer's gloves could have made that run way better 03:53:43 until they rebalance riposte to scale with weapon delay at least 03:54:01 although that takes the fun out of it 03:54:26 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:54:34 I wanna wield a triple sword with 0 skill just maxing dodging and using riposte to kill everything 03:54:47 that should be a challenge 03:55:02 win the game by only damaging things with riposte 03:56:39 monsters without melee attacks can't be riposted directly 03:58:18 but you could kill them by riposte cleaving tech!! 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:12:27 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:12:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:21 uskayaw+amulet of faith seems... strange 04:18:50 unless I'm not understanding something, swapping faith with this god has no real cost 04:19:12 especially if like: you're in a fight, gain piety, burn piety, then swap to rage or something 04:19:12 it has the cost that you won't be gaining piety as quickly mid-combat 04:20:36 but in an emergency, you could switch amulets and not have the lingering downside that you do with other gods 04:20:45 ex Rage in a pinch 04:21:19 sure, but you don't get the long-term benefits of faith either 04:21:30 it's as swappable as rage, and as short-term as well 04:22:08 I suppose! I guess both feel a bit weird though, next to how other amulets are now 04:22:52 "refl is the same 04:23:29 less powerful though 04:24:02 you won't really have a moment where you decide to swap to reflect during combat to turn it around, like with rage 04:27:26 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-1168-g98094fc: missilies -> missiles (Tamsk) 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/98094fc8768d 04:35:48 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:44:26 missilies? 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:50 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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RETRIBUTION: Random drains of your wands, rods, elemental evokers, or you if none of the above are possible. If abandoned, blocks MP regen for the duration of wrath, and 1/20 evokes will trigger a miscast (but the item still works). 07:30:44 ^ this is wrong 07:30:49 you can't evoke at all 07:31:02 could be wrong in more ways 07:34:14 !lm * god.mollify=pak 07:34:14 No milestones for * (god.mollify=pak). 07:34:17 !lm * god.mollify=ok 07:34:18 No milestones for * (god.mollify=ok). 07:34:20 !lm * god.mollify=oka 07:34:28 8579. [2016-08-14 11:17:23] jehirs the Slasher (L5 DsGl of Okawaru) mollified Okawaru on turn 4484. (D:4) 07:34:31 !lm * pak 07:34:45 124560. [2016-08-14 10:55:58] PATRIARCHY the Skirmisher (L7 CeSu of Pakellas) became a worshipper of Pakellas on turn 5657. (Temple) 07:35:18 !lm * god.mollify=Pakellas 07:35:19 67. [2016-08-09 18:59:28] georgeearnest the Cleaver (L11 HOFi of Beogh) mollified Pakellas on turn 10011. (Lair:1) 07:35:34 !lm * god.mollify=Pakellas s=cv 07:35:35 67 milestones for * (god.mollify=Pakellas): 45x 0.18-a, 19x 0.18, 2x 0.16-a, 0.19-a 07:35:55 !lm * god.mollify=Pakellas cv=0.19-a 07:35:55 1. [2016-05-02 13:45:44] namelastname112 the Executioner (L22 DDAr of Makhleb) mollified Pakellas on turn 47891. (Depths:2) 07:36:23 !lm * god.mollify=Pakellas cv=0.19-a x=gid 07:36:24 1. [2016-05-02 13:45:44] [game_key=namelastname112:cxc:20160401131456S] namelastname112 the Executioner (L22 DDAr of Makhleb) mollified Pakellas on turn 47891. (Depths:2) 07:36:45 !lm * gid=namelastname112:cxc:20160401131456S god.abandon=pakellas 07:36:46 1. [2016-05-02 13:29:55] namelastname112 the Executioner (L20 DDAr) abandoned Pakellas on turn 39980. (Temple) 07:47:41 https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/PATRIARCHY/PATRIARCHY.txt 07:48:03 !log * gid=namelastname112:cxc:20160401131456S 07:48:03 1. namelastname112, XL27 DDAr, T:62556: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/namelastname112/morgue-namelastname112-20160502-142730.txt 07:48:44 oh 07:48:58 does pakellas no longer actively wrath you? 07:53:37 %git 7140f5a2e 07:53:37 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-250-g7140f5a: Rework Pakellas wrath to passively block all device use 10(3 months ago, 7 files, 53+ 166-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7140f5a2ec98 07:57:12 ah, thanks 07:57:33 so how long does it take to mollify? 07:58:05 he's gone from lvl7 to 11 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:35 25 penance 08:03:19 and I was planning to aX pak this game... good thing there was another test subject 08:03:42 heh 08:04:02 any idea how to tell how long 25 penance is going to be if there's no active wrath? 08:04:13 how does that even work 08:05:05 for reference, ash aX is 50 08:05:19 and according to legend that is 2 xls 08:05:19 ash is 2 levels 08:05:29 he's gone 5 levels now 08:05:36 and pak is still angry 08:07:25 since that patch pak has never been mollified 08:07:39 it hasn't been that long since the patch, but I'm suspicious 08:07:58 that they forgot to make him lose penance count when they changed it to passive wrath 08:08:50 -!- Zeon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:11:07 well he died so I won't know for sure 08:13:35 -!- Jafet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28:24 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:26 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:58 Kramin: yeah it never expires, oops. that reminds me to disable pakellas anyway though :P 08:36:31 but can fix the wrath later today, needs some save compat handling too i think 08:37:18 right, thanks :P 08:43:05 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:11:14 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:20:07 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:04 -!- jeefus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:24:58 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:28 MarvinPA: Disabling Pakellas? Thanks! 09:41:34 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41:56 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:06 ??epic bugs[$ 09:46:06 epic bugs[28/28]: edsrzf the Devastator (L23 DsCj of Okawaru), blasted by an ancient lich (crystal spear) on Depths:3 (lemuel_river_lethe) on 2016-03-20 21:39:50, with 1859332704 points after 61543 turns and 5:46:14. 09:46:27 -!- chan20 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:06 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:08 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:43 -!- gressup has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:21:21 -!- Kranix has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:37:34 -!- cait has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:39:07 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:29 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:41:58 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:47:15 -!- fufumann has quit [Client Quit] 10:54:14 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I don't think I would have thought of that. But I think it makes sense. 12:41:03 -!- qguv has quit [Client Quit] 12:46:28 -!- qguv has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:07 nerfing the ancestor again would probably have been simpler, and may have been better. 12:48:09 but we'll see how this works out. 12:49:49 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:50:36 I actually like this better than an ancestor nerf 12:50:50 It feels like you're actually putting something on the line 12:50:54 heh 12:50:57 beyond the god slot, of course 12:50:59 Also: Maggie Smith remembers more of her old skill. 12:51:01 sure 12:52:22 i hope you're making her a knight 12:52:47 Battlemage in this case 12:52:54 I thought it would combo well with crossbows 12:52:59 but now I don't use crossbows 12:53:02 lol 12:56:13 -!- liquidsnake has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:58:20 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:21:28 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:24:16 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:32 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1168-g98094fc (34) 13:39:20 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:04 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:05:50 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I remember these brand tables 15:41:19 I thought this was for reading a brand scroll though.. 15:41:25 brand scroll is much simpler 15:41:42 !source _rebrand_weapon 15:41:43 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc#L2018 15:42:24 So I guess I need to make a special case for gnolls and just change their brand distribution normally to not affect floor drops 15:42:34 manually* 15:42:47 so now that there's no way for the player to interact with attribute loss, when will the mechanic be replaced with draining? 15:43:52 Dracunos: gnollcrawl? 15:44:10 And wands.. Gnolls don't spawn with wands, do they? They just pick them up off the floor? 15:44:15 you can force gnolls' brands to spwpn_normal, probably 15:44:21 yeah they shouldn't spawn with wands 15:44:25 Ah, thanks 15:44:31 i forget how i implemented things 15:44:33 let me check 15:44:59 !source mon-gear 15:45:00 Can't find mon-gear. 15:45:01 !source mon-gear.cc 15:45:02 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-gear.cc 15:45:08 do any gods besides tso or zin have piety that depends on holiness now, or is that mostly dead code 15:45:17 or unnecessary code, rather 15:45:19 yeah, looks like you should be able to do that 15:45:19 Like, what determines the total that the weapon type weights add up to? 15:45:20 wheals: they all do 15:45:24 all the kill gods 15:45:25 <|amethyst> different holinesses have different piety multipliers 15:45:29 ah 15:45:29 it's very weird 15:45:43 i would be happy if we could merge those conducts somehow 15:45:48 don't have a specific plan tho 15:45:55 Dracunos: the sum of everything listed 15:45:59 like, look at GOBLIN_WEAPONS 15:46:24 But I mean, it specifies that sum as though it's an important value, that if I were to make changes, it should still add up to the same total 15:46:30 nah 15:46:33 But it looks arbitrary 15:46:37 it's totally arbitrary 15:46:40 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, but you could have the handler calculate the multiplier itself, since the monster is passed in as an argument? 15:46:45 Haha, why write it in the comment, then? 15:46:58 makes it easier to do the math 15:47:05 Ah, you need that data later on 15:47:16 <|amethyst> well 15:47:21 so you can say "ok, this weapon is weight 40, and the total is 525, so there's a 40/525 chance of generating it" 15:47:33 rather than saying "okay, this weapon is weight 40, and there are, uh... what's the sum...?" 15:47:34 <|amethyst> it makes the math easier, *if* people remember to change the "// total" comment 15:47:34 I see 15:47:40 |amethyst: yes :) 15:48:03 weird funny things about mon-gear: there are either three or four separate cases for giving monsters ARM_ROBE 15:48:18 they're identical but broken up into separate cases because, presumably, people didn't notice the earlier ones 15:49:05 lines 1859, 1886, 1989, 2023, 2041, 2051... 15:49:09 also various other duplications, of course 15:49:21 but the six (!) different robe cases are the funniest to me 15:50:16 So, does it just shunt to the first case? 15:50:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: to be fair, 2041 and 2051 are fall-through targets 15:50:35 <|amethyst> so can't be moved/merged as easily 15:50:53 someday i will destroy the mon-gear armour code 15:50:55 as i did the weapon code 15:51:11 with a mighty hand i will strike it down. 15:51:23 But what if people complain 15:51:32 And they all go rushing to gnollcrawl, the cool new thing 15:51:39 hell, i'll be glad of it. 15:51:46 what exactly is your vision for gnollcrawl? i'm increasingly curious 15:51:48 How will you afford your yachts and private jets, then, eh? 15:51:59 i don't even know.. 15:52:02 Zxc complaining 15:52:07 about removing gnolls on d:1 15:52:10 turned into an entire game 15:53:00 Except you do get equipment upgrades and good loot and very slow piety gain if you get piety on kills it seems 15:53:10 Well, I dunno... oka piety might go pretty fast? They are all yellow 15:53:13 Trog piety seems really slow 15:53:45 haha 15:53:51 I dunno, it was just a joke, I wasn't meant to do all this work :p 15:53:55 ??gnollcrawl 15:53:55 I don't have a page labeled gnollcrawl in my learndb. 15:54:01 the curse of crawl dev 15:54:03 And as usual I know I did things in a much more difficult than neede way 15:54:06 even in jest! 15:54:13 But that's normal for me 15:54:19 imo you should've stolen chaoscrawl code 15:54:23 and just made everything look like a gnoll 15:54:31 Nah 15:54:40 I want he real gnoll experience 15:54:57 I dunno what I should do with brand weights though 15:55:12 When there's a lot of gnolls, 80 percent spawn with weapons, in high density areas that's a ton of bad brands 15:55:30 Zigs are pretty funny 15:55:47 They are all gnolls pretty early on, so I don't think they will get much more difficult as time goes on 15:55:53 As in a gnoll in every spot 15:57:23 I dunno, the more I try to actually balance this abomonation, the more people might think it's meant to actually be balanced 15:58:21 Maybe I'll keep the brands for now, maybe just remove traps, or make the trap check not check xl 15:59:58 replace all traps with shadow traps 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:19 someone else suggested alarm traps 16:00:22 gnoll traps 16:00:24 `rename them gnoll traps 16:00:37 a basket of gnolls drops from the ceiling! 16:01:05 I think traps are more pressing than the brands, honestly 16:03:48 like the legend of the phoenix, chaoscrawl will rise again. 16:03:52 i have forseen it. 16:04:00 What is chaoscrawl? 16:04:05 %git chaoscrawl 16:04:05 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1685-gfa9eca8: Merge branch 'master' into chaoscrawl 10(5 months ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fa9eca8d6cbf 16:04:07 hrm 16:04:28 branch that randomizes monster appearance/names/descriptions at the game start; each monster type is assigned another one 16:04:34 so e.g. all rats might appear as goblins, or wargs, or cerebovs 16:04:44 Hrmm 16:04:53 intended as an april fool's thing, but no one hosted it :( 16:04:58 maybe i'll talk to the cjr guys 16:05:04 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:05 it seems like their kind of branch 16:05:15 CJR seems like they would host fun stuff 16:05:20 We have no experimentals 16:05:27 We need little silly stuff like this to get bored of in five minutes 16:05:37 ya 16:05:39 !seen zibudo 16:05:39 I last saw ZiBuDo at Sat Aug 6 02:20:34 2016 UTC (1w 1d 17h 45m 4s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 260 seconds'. 16:05:43 PleasingFungus: well, that was an unintentional tiles bug a while back =p 16:05:44 who's the guy who's not zibudo 16:05:48 ProzacElf: the inspiration! 16:06:14 yes, it was also AWESOME 16:08:11 -!- koboldina has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:40 the guy who's not zibudo? I think only zibudo would set up something on cjr 16:11:51 As in he'd be the only one to know how, but 16:12:07 Dracunos: you can !tell zibudo to ask about hosting experimentals 16:12:22 chequers said he would try to host gnollcrawl 16:12:32 That's the only reason I decided to actually try to make it actually :p 16:12:42 I'm not sure how snark feels about putting outright forks and/or joke branches in sequell 16:12:59 I don't see the point, unless the fork got big 16:13:30 I don't see why that matters 16:13:49 It's mostly what snark wants his service to track 16:14:04 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:35 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:15:04 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:15:46 Do des files place traps, too? 16:16:06 yes 16:16:08 yes 16:16:09 sadly 16:16:45 but that shouldn't matter - there's going to be one place in the code where a trap is actually created, and you can just interject there with "oh actually it should be a gnoll trap" or whatever 16:16:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:06 gammafunk: i don't think chequers hosting something means that sequell has to track it? 16:17:19 env.trap[trap pos] = trap seems to add the trap 16:17:22 PleasingFungus: no, why would it? 16:17:25 I guess it's a setter? 16:17:42 idk, that seemed to be the basis of your objection. probably i was misunderstanding 16:17:46 I don't actually know c++, that's the problem 16:17:49 Heh 16:18:23 yeah, I'm not making any objection to any admin hosting whatever they want, it's their server after all; but if you'll like your fork/branch in sequell, snark runs that service 16:18:37 i don't think anyone knows c++ 16:18:41 hm 16:18:49 ....neil? 16:18:52 except stroustrup 16:18:54 dang 16:19:00 You can do what they did apparently in starbound 16:19:16 None of the devs seem to know how to actually change the game engine they made 16:19:20 They only work with the lua hooks 16:19:22 lol 16:20:03 starbound is a mess 16:20:27 I'm having fun 16:20:38 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:04 They just give everyone admin access so when there are bugs you can just re-spawn your items and stuff 16:21:42 Bethesda style 16:22:24 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 16:22:42 lua is so powerful, I mean you can use it to change tiles and swing bread! 16:22:54 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:26:28 also to crash the game with bots 16:27:32 So, tstbtto 16:27:32 Who was that, and where did it go 16:27:53 a true mystery 16:30:45 cotton eye tstbtto 16:33:11 -!- Kranix has quit [Client Quit] 16:35:11 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:35:23 -!- gammafunk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:49 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:36 -!- aredel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:39:44 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:43:44 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:03 I think I'm starting to understand this header and struct business 16:44:47 I wish I could easily just highlight and search every reference exactly in that file though 16:45:12 More complaints probably due to not using an ide 16:47:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:12 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:35 How cohesive are your changes? Like, if MarvinPA, for example, decided to change something like giving chei piety decay, should I assume you all agreed on that change and I should be angry at all of you, or should I only direct my anger to MarvinPA? 16:49:32