00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:05 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-1002-g674d22e (34) 00:02:33 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:10 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:43 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:10:12 -!- Elitist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:26:40 -!- belome has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:45:18 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:59 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:07:52 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:16:02 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:19:13 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1002-g674d22e (34) 01:20:43 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:25:04 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:33 ??cxc 01:28:33 cXc[1/2]: Server in France: CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM -- ssh port 22, username crawl, uses CAO key (available at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/keys/). Webtiles address: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM 01:28:35 ??cxc[2 01:28:35 cXc[2/2]: Announced by Eksell, which uses | as a prefix. Morgues, ttyrecs etc. are at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/. Maintained by Medar and zkyp. 01:28:41 !seen medar 01:28:42 I last saw Medar at Sun Jul 10 08:53:59 2016 UTC (1w 20h 34m 41s ago) joining the channel. 01:28:50 hey Medar, are you about? 01:29:41 somewhat 01:30:09 I added CXC to the beta of our score page https://crawl.project357.org/static/scoreboard/index.html 01:30:51 nice 01:39:50 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:20 !tell marvinpa i thought about the mummy/flyboot/sac evo thing and decided: it's dumb and doesn't matter 01:40:21 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 01:40:33 (will elaborate on request) 01:47:59 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:50:34 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 01:51:14 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:23 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:55:21 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1002-g674d22e 01:59:09 -!- category has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:31 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 02:01:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:01:45 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:13 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:40 -!- glaas has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 02:14:43 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:24:42 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39:27 -!- Mekire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:40:41 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:42:33 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:44:13 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:51:29 -!- Telnaior has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:52:22 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1002-g674d22e 02:58:55 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:12 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:06:46 -!- Zxpr2jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08:37 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:01 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus 03:11:45 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-1002-g674d22e (34) 03:12:21 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:13:33 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 03:17:35 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:25:34 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:29:38 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:30:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:37:43 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:39:42 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:40:48 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:42:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:57:16 -!- techieAgnostic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:15:51 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 04:34:02 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:41:42 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:48:28 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:49:22 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:20 !lg * muck 04:51:21 15957. PrincessZinnia the Cudgeler (L8 MuCK of Pakellas), slain by a phantom on D:6 on 2016-07-18 08:07:30, with 1328 points after 6559 turns and 0:10:45. 04:52:14 !lg * muck xom 04:52:15 13594. PrincessAster the Skirmisher (L5 MuCK of Xom), blasted by Grinder the hellion (damnation) on D:3 on 2016-07-18 08:50:59, with 233 points after 2224 turns and 0:04:19. 04:52:24 ^ the one i wanted. just watched that one 04:52:29 -!- vale has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:48 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 05:04:05 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:12:04 -!- Wahaha has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:16:13 good xom poly 05:17:05 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:19:44 i'm spectating low-level players on cao for fun. it is truly remarkable how aggressively most of them play. no wonder people think d:1 is impossibly luck-based 05:21:14 this "spaz" guy seems all right, except inexplicably drawing from a deck of escape against a single crimson imp at XL9 05:22:38 -!- GauHelldragon3 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:24:10 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 05:28:54 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:29:25 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:34:06 -!- Fabri has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:37:22 -!- Telnaior has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:47:05 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:59:10 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14:08 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:45 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:18:16 -!- Telnaior has quit [Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit:] 06:22:55 -!- sooheon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:31:51 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:38:38 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:41:22 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=280387#p280387 lmao at the placement of this bot's post 06:52:03 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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sort of silly appearing on things that can never be recited to anyway 13:50:54 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:21 i refactored recite a bit and then realised i hadn't made it any easier to fix because the description needs a monster_info and recite eligibility is a huge scary mess 13:56:04 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:58:27 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:47 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:06:05 -!- flappity_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:11:40 -!- wye_ has quit [] 14:12:04 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:06 man, that was weird. for like 5 minutes nslookup crawl.develz.org was returning NXDOMAIN to my laptop. i don't *think* anything was actually wrong with cdo, because i could access it starting from a different host, but i don't know what the deal was 14:17:10 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1003-gc171b95: Don't give wind drakes MR_RES_WIND 10(80 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c171b9516046 14:17:10 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1004-g1a72b78: Fix a warning 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1a72b7857e22 14:17:10 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1005-gf5a4b3b: Refactor some recite handling and clarify a message 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 58+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f5a4b3b2e2ca 14:17:14 -!- Homage_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:17:25 -!- Homage__ is now known as Homage_ 14:17:53 that probably doesn't break recite 14:18:12 also i'm not sure how good the messages are for "can never recite to these things" vs "don't have enough recite power" 14:18:37 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:39 that sounds like an invitation to build a bikeshed 14:20:48 oh no 14:21:27 MarvinPA: did you change what shows up on xv? i don't see that 14:21:51 nope, that was the bit that turned out to be literally impossible 14:21:59 nice 14:22:13 what about "Your audience is deaf to the Word of Zin?" 14:22:22 (instead of "ignoring" the recitation) 14:22:24 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:22:57 hmm, that sort of seems like it could refer to either case 14:23:24 yeah i guess 14:23:34 maybe more so the case of "this thing is never valid for recite", even 14:24:58 -!- wye_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:22 (although there's currently no distinction between "no audience at all" and "entire audience can never be affected", i wasn't sure whether that was worth doing) 14:25:36 oh. that is actually what i meant to replace, because that's what i thought "would ignore" meant 14:25:49 haha 14:25:59 so uh 14:26:01 well i guess that proves my point that the messaging is no good :P 14:27:00 -!- dudeguy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:29:16 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:30:32 This audience might react to a more zealous priest of Zin 14:30:49 but that doesn't really emphasize 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TIL i'm old 17:13:42 !lg . 1 17:13:43 1/407. amalloy the Chiller (L3 FeIE), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2014-08-08 02:41:12, with 51 points after 2342 turns and 0:11:24. 17:13:46 and i've only been playing for like two years 17:14:31 maybe "you are not devout enough", since it depends on both piety and invo and devout seems vague enough that it could mean either/both 17:15:08 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:28 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:36 to me it leans rather closer to piety than to skill 17:22:02 that's why i like zealous 17:22:22 higher and higher invo makes Zin worshippers froth at the mouth while they should divine condemnations 17:24:43 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 17:27:23 -!- cait has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 17:30:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:04 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38:28 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:16 -!- removeelyvilon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:45:12 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:46:31 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:50 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:24 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:53:13 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:54:04 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:54:29 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest19332 17:56:03 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:32 Hi folks. There are some pretty good suggestions on tavern, I don't really have time to bring them up here :( Should I send a list of links via c-r-d? 17:57:23 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:58:33 -!- AndChat|29841 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:01 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:59:33 -!- Guest19332 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:06 the summoner highlighting thing is very "patches welcome", there might even be an mantis implementable up for it already? i know i vaguely looked into working on it a long time ago and didn't come up with a good approach 18:05:44 MarvinPA: yes, that is one of them 18:08:33 what does crawl.sendkeys accept? a character? wanting to send space or esc (toggle off a map) 18:08:39 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:54 curious if I can send ansi codes 18:13:36 <|amethyst> shmup: it takes one or more strings or tables containing strings 18:14:39 <|amethyst> shmup: you can embed ASCII codes into the string, like "i\27" for 'i' followed by escape (n.b. it uses decimal, not octal) 18:15:13 -!- tksquared has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 18:15:25 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.19-a0-1005-gf5a4b3b (34) 18:16:31 <|amethyst> also, I see a bug in the code implementing sendkeys, but it might not be fixable 18:17:07 <|amethyst> it is intended that you can pass in a number to have it treated as an ASCII (or more generally unicode) code 18:17:11 -!- Amphouse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:17:17 <|amethyst> but that doesn't work, because lua_isstring is true for numbers 18:17:51 <|amethyst> and checking for a number first wouldn't work, because then the string "27" would mean Escape rather than '2' followed by '7' 18:17:58 right, yeah 18:18:05 <|amethyst> because lua_isnumber returns true for a string convertible to numbers 18:18:29 <|amethyst> re ANSI sequences, I doubt they would work 18:18:49 -!- AndChat|29841 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:19:08 <|amethyst> and even if they did, a particular sequence would only work on certain terminals 18:24:07 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:25:10 -!- Zekka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:37 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:38:29 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:15 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 18:43:04 hm |amethyst, trying i\27 18:43:18 just made simple function that sends i\27 18:43:30 it's still registering as a 2 w/ map open, moving me 18:43:58 <|amethyst> what's your function? 18:45:13 mm, if this is in lua, do you need to escape the \ to prevent lua from expanding it prematurely? 18:45:23 <|amethyst> you *don't* want to escape 18:45:31 <|amethyst> you want lua to turn that into ASCII 27 18:45:34 function toggle_map() 18:45:34 crawl.sendkeys('i\27') 18:45:34 end 18:45:52 heh, tabs to spaces should have been on 18:47:17 okay it's def working 18:47:20 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:22 it just doesn't fire the same when the map is open 18:47:43 but pressing 2 (bound to macro ===toggle_map) flashes screen when outside of map (showing esc is firing) 18:48:18 <|amethyst> do macros work in the map? 18:48:50 <|amethyst> e.g. in map mode does something other than running ===hit_closest 18:49:06 good point 18:54:14 -!- Homage_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 18:55:07 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:56:37 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:58:04 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:58:39 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:54 -!- not_robot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:59:11 can you assign macro targets in keymaps? 18:59:23 or will that only take other keys 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:00:20 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 19:02:28 <|amethyst> hm, looks like, no, keymapping to ===function doesn't work 19:02:56 <|amethyst> hmm 19:03:07 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:03:14 <|amethyst> no, it's more complicated than that 19:03:31 <|amethyst> a default-mode keymap does work 19:04:17 <|amethyst> but level-map-mode does not 19:06:27 <|amethyst> or at least not a level-map-mode keymap bound to a function that does crawl.sendkeys() 19:06:31 <|amethyst> I didn't test other things 19:06:41 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:06:42 <|amethyst> s/things/functions/ 19:08:39 -!- AndChat|29841 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:34 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:02 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1006-g6b21fdf: Adjust wording for a recite message 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b21fdfe5085 19:14:02 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.19-a0-1007-g133f65f: Adjust descriptions for partially-irresistible spells 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/133f65f22dc9 19:15:08 updating that makes me wonder yet again why ghostly fireball is so weird 19:16:19 should clearly just let the mechanics follow the name and make that 30% resistible by rF since i still don't like any of the proposed name changes for it :P 19:16:37 <|amethyst> Ectoplasmic Burst 19:16:37 -!- MadCoyote is now known as FunkyBomb 19:16:54 <|amethyst> sounds like a kid's drink from the 90s 19:17:04 <|amethyst> s/kid's/kids'/ 19:17:22 I think it actually was.. 19:17:32 <|amethyst> you're thinking Ecto Cooler I think 19:17:47 gushers && ecto cooler = ??? 19:17:48 is ghostly fireball the same as that fog that makes spectres? 19:17:54 ??ghostly_fireball 19:17:54 ghostly fireball[1/1]: Like a fireball, except partially resistable by rN and checks only half AC. Heals undead caught in the blast instead of hurting them (3d10 for monsters, 2d9 for players). 19:17:58 no!!!!! 19:18:22 although they have been trying very hard their whole lifetimes to make that as confusing as possible 19:18:30 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:04 by having overlapping names and beam types despite doing totally different things (and originally they did do some overlapping things also i think) 19:19:14 <|amethyst> to be fair, fireball isn't the same thing as a cloud of fire 19:19:14 yeah I don't exactly see why ghostly fireball needs to exist. I suppose they were really going for "this blast hurts you, not the hostile undead summons around you?"? 19:19:35 maybe it could really just be a pure negative energy explosion if anything, yeah 19:19:50 right 19:19:55 <|amethyst> hm 19:19:56 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:21:10 i think the idea with it on revenants and josephine is that it damages you and heals the summons but i'm not sure it really merits its own damage type for that 19:24:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:49 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:41 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:33 <|amethyst> I wouldn't worry about whether it merits its own damage type, since those are cheap relatively speaking. Is the effect (heal X creatures and harm Y creatures in a single attack) a worthwhile mechanic to have? 19:27:52 It could be called damnation! 19:28:06 <|amethyst> as opposed to, say, making it do zero damage to X creatures and giving the existing users ally-healing spells, too 19:29:10 -!- GauHelldragon3 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:29:33 I think it's pretty tough for the healing aspect to be relevant, especially since you're going out of your way to not fight the summons, but the summoner 19:29:47 Josephine (00@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 58-83 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 11 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 13neg+++ | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1068 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d16), vampiric draining (4-29), dispel undead (3d18) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 19:29:47 <|amethyst> %??josephine 19:29:59 <|amethyst> in josephine's case, they're not summons 19:30:01 just chiming in to say that it's rare for the healing to even happen, and super ultra rare for it to be noticeable 19:30:01 |amethyst: right, i meant more in terms of it being a worthwhile mechanic vs the extra complication/new thing to learn it adds, not in terms of code complexity 19:30:36 usually all the monsters on screen are at full HP except one 19:30:39 I think "negative energy explosion" would be novel enough, to be honest 19:30:40 <|amethyst> does pure negative energy damage exist elsewhere? 19:30:54 unless you're a fireball/bolt/storm spammer yourself in which case you aren't in range of ghostly fireball anyway 19:30:57 bolt of drain isn't that? 19:31:00 |amethyst: every bolt of draining? 19:31:07 <|amethyst> doesn't that drain HD? 19:31:10 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:31:27 clouds of negative energy? 19:31:33 well, it doesn't need to be only an rN check 19:31:47 are negative energy damage and Drain not intrinsically related? 19:31:49 oh, if by "pure negative energy damage" you mean it also can't have drain attached to it, maybe that doesn't exist 19:31:51 or i guess you mean damage that checks rN but doesn't have the Drain mechanic 19:32:07 <|amethyst> adding draining to ghostly fireball seems like it would be a pretty significant change 19:32:24 since pain and vamp draining don't really check rN in the way you'd expect 19:32:32 well it'd be a signficant change, but not an unmanageable change 19:32:35 -!- Amphouse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:32:37 damage numbers are adjustable etc 19:33:14 would maybe be worth reducing the damage a bit if it did become standard negative energy, yeah 19:34:23 <|amethyst> Drainblast? ("the plumber's helper") 19:34:44 <|amethyst> Doomburst 19:34:45 pure negative energy damage without drain attached sounds cleaner 19:34:58 NegaBom 19:35:14 it's French 19:35:40 sounds like something out of space opera >.> 19:37:01 <|amethyst> minmay: it's cleaner in some sense, but removing one unique negative energy damage type just to add another doesn't significantly reduce complexity or cognitive load 19:37:12 The ShadowLord of New Seville 19:37:42 <|amethyst> hm, I guess removing a damage type that does two things and replacing it with one that does one thing isn't exactly insignificant 19:37:43 would that actually be a unique damage type? wow 19:37:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:38:01 never mind then, drain away 19:38:17 i'd been thinking of it as pure negative energy with no draining when i first suggested it (but hadn't thought about whether that exists or not already), yeah 19:38:28 neg energy always drains currently, yeh 19:38:34 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:42 dare I ask what damage type pain and vampiric draining are 19:38:53 <|amethyst> pain is BEAM_PAIN 19:39:06 <|amethyst> guess what else is BEAM_PAIN? 19:39:09 iirc most rN checks you just get immunity at one level 19:39:11 agony? 19:39:14 <|amethyst> (not Vampiric Draining; it's not a beam) 19:39:18 for everything except torment and regular negative energy beams 19:39:24 oh no, that's a torment thing isn't it 19:39:26 I thought monsters got immunity at one level and you got immunity at 3 levels 19:39:56 also known as "why is this orc warrior killing me, oh, it has rN scale mail and i used vamp drain on it 5 times which did nothing" 19:40:05 minmay: i think you're immune to Pain and to pain brand at rN+ 19:40:06 <|amethyst> (Agony is the other BEAM_PAIN, btw) 19:40:13 I was right! 19:40:22 gammafunk: don't let it go to your head 19:40:35 amalloy: I should have known, I've literally never been wrong 19:41:12 i know there used to be like 100 distinct behaviours of rN-resistible stuff and i changed it to be less than 100 types 19:41:25 gammafunk: you should see if you can get a job implementing quantum bogosort 19:42:28 maybe pain/vamp draining/vampiric brand should all scale with rN like the beam, then there'd just be 2 behaviours? torment and normal? 19:42:51 that doesn't already exist? look at the quantum foam, if it created the thing in order then it's done otherwise look at it again >.> 19:42:52 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:43:09 what monsters even have rN+/++ 19:43:25 orcs with scale mails of positive energy 19:44:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:44:20 perhaps it is time for rN to join rElec and rPois?! 19:44:30 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 19:44:37 <|amethyst> that would be a big player buff though 19:45:03 <|amethyst> well, I guess "like rPois" could work 19:45:21 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:45:23 that doesn't seem like a big player buff at all 19:45:43 <|amethyst> i.e. if you can rN+ with equipment, but rN+++ only from species/form 19:45:58 there's so little relevant rN-checking stuff 19:46:31 in a 3 rune it's: Bolt of Draining casters, Shadow Dragons, Lich melee?? 19:46:52 Then torment has the wierd -5%/level thing going on 19:47:38 draining weapons are fairly relevant actually- by fairly I mean more than lich melee 19:47:40 <|amethyst> wights 19:48:43 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:51:36 the times i remember getting relevant Drain are mostly from like invisible orc wizards with daggers of draining 19:52:01 sonja as a newb 19:52:02 Ru 19:54:15 does the amount of Drain you take from an attack scale with attack damage? i thought the answer was yes for attacks you make, but given how dagger wielders seem to drain the player much more efficiently than wights, i wonder if that's true 19:55:14 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:15 The build has errored. (master - 133f65f #6200 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/145689878 19:55:15 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 19:58:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:34 -!- AndChat|29841 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:45 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-1007-g133f65f (34) 20:13:04 -!- cojitoo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:14:32 amalloy: I'm pretty sure it does for player draining attacks. I do know I value an early dagger/whip of draining very highly though. 20:15:46 -!- Wahaha has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:53 drain brand also drains you far more than drain attack flavour 20:17:35 also monsters wielding low delay weapons are wierd because they get their base damage tossed in 20:20:21 they also get a damage penalty for wielding a weapon 20:20:35 and only use half of the weapon's attack delay 20:21:34 -!- CatFancier has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:53 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:26:15 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:30:57 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:36:10 -!- Chasesp has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:38:30 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:41:56 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:42:40 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:46:20 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:46:33 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:46:47 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:52 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:05 -!- Chasesp has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:59:19 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:16 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:42 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:11:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:25 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:14:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:21:38 -!- Leszczynek has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:21:40 -!- AndChat-60249 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:25:12 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:25:15 -!- gressup has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:11 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:30:55 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:12 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 21:36:27 Lasty: MarvinPA: I reported a GDD post, if you're around to take a look at tavern right now. Didn't want to act without someone else taking a look. 21:37:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:38:18 gammafunk: can do 21:38:18 Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:38:25 gammafunk: I assume it's about how great I am 21:40:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:43:42 -!- Gmork has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:44:00 I can't take any more "Here's another 27 reasons why Lasty is amazing" threads when they're all clearly pandering to prevent ranged combat reform 21:44:20 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:48 they're worried it'll have a Lasting effect 21:45:17 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:25 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 21:51:41 gammafunk: it's hard to take, but they're all that gets me out of bed in the morning 21:52:14 gammafunk: is this the Xom thread? 21:52:59 Lasty: no, the reported one about formicids and GSC 21:53:05 ah 21:53:32 yeah, good report, I think 21:53:49 is that the weird art thread 21:54:01 update: yes 21:54:18 that thread became extremely cyc before the end of the first post 21:54:38 pretty much 21:54:43 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:55:04 if someone wants they could split out the thread into cyc/gdd posts. it's not a very exciting thread tho 21:55:31 imo formicids are much more interesting now that they're a cool shields race rather than 'ogres, but better' 21:55:45 hrm 21:55:48 <|amethyst> also, the abstracting weapon thread doesn't need to be moved necessarily, but has devolved into a flamewar 21:55:52 this is a hard one to take action on without completely removing it 21:56:37 Unless I move almost everything to CYC 21:56:52 <|amethyst> Lasty: the first three posts, other than the image, are on-topic 21:56:52 and leave a tiny post here about GSCs 21:56:58 |amethyst: yeah 21:57:09 But do I split the image or just remove it? 21:57:31 I'm not sure if it's against tavern rules 21:57:36 Personally it's not the image that bothers me, it's more the language in the original post 21:58:02 and the fact that it's apparently trying to troll GDD 21:58:25 yeah 21:58:27 i guess i just skimmed it 21:58:33 people seemed to be taking it seriously 21:59:02 ... taking the art seriously? 21:59:03 :D 21:59:34 Is there a way to split a post into two posts? 21:59:52 I guess I can copy topic and then edit 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:05 first two replies were serious 22:00:14 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:00 <|amethyst> Arguably the second fell for one bit of bait, "axes are objectively best" 22:01:26 lol 22:01:26 yeah most of that post was the OP trying to be "funny" as they've done in the past 22:01:40 it's completely indistinguishable from sincere gdd posting 22:01:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I was about to say something along those lines 22:01:51 i guess the art was supposed to be a 'tell' 22:02:02 i dont think the OP would mind you just removing the image 22:02:07 which would be better in a CYC post; I think the original suggested change is serious, but probably not a good change 22:02:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02:17 that might be falling for the ruse though, which is taking an obvious troll suggestion seriously 22:02:25 just move the entire thread to cyc 22:02:32 hardboiledgargoyle will be happy 22:02:37 and you can't lose face on the internet!! 22:02:56 the key is to keep arguing until everyone admits that you're right... 22:08:29 -!- AndChat|29841 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:12 Awright, fixed-ish 22:11:40 -!- home has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:01 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:13:34 ruining such a beautiful troll... sad! 22:19:34 -!- RobocopTellem has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:20:53 Lasty: thanks 22:21:58 that image has been posted like 50 times, i think everyone would be surprised to learn it's against the rules 22:22:36 i hope no one said it was? 22:22:51 is it yours originally? it looks like your style 22:22:53 -!- Amphouse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:23:04 no 22:23:13 i have no idea who made it 22:23:46 huh 22:23:55 i wonder what the picture in the pictureframe is supposed to be 22:24:01 everything crawl related i've drawn is covered in https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17873 + https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=20399 + balls comic i think 22:24:02 begs the inevitable question about the nature of the divide between "art" and the "artist" as in can it really be real if art is real? 22:24:04 PleasingFungus: it's the orb of zot 22:24:05 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the Orb 22:24:13 er 22:24:21 i'll take your collective words on that. 22:24:22 <|amethyst> not sure about the green background though 22:24:31 PleasingFungus: I thought you were a tiles player 22:24:40 only on weekdays 22:25:09 <|amethyst> I guess this means minmay's style isn't so much a style as a medium 22:25:21 it seems pretty rare to me. 22:25:25 yeah minmay definitely has no style 22:25:39 though i suppose some of them are well done. 22:27:38 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:28:12 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:18 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 22:28:57 I don't consider any of my drawings well done 22:30:35 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 22:34:18 -!- Chasesp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:05 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:52:43 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:10 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:54 -!- Tickenest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:02:41 "A core developer of Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup talking about the eternal war against the Hypothetical Optimal Player: how to avoid players' worst instincts and make a game that's fun to play well" 23:03:17 fools think that they can defeat the HOM?! They will never prevail... 23:03:28 obviously 23:03:40 also I meant to say HOP, but isn't HOM also a thing? 23:04:16 probably 23:04:23 i think i usually see HAM 23:04:27 hypothetical autistic man 23:04:36 ah, that must have been it, yeah 23:04:36 not a classy phrase 23:04:56 right, I had it vaguely in my head that what I inadvertantly used was offensive 23:05:11 -!- grisha5 has quit [Client Quit] 23:06:02 it's because of the sexism. 23:06:31 @??hog name:HAM 23:06:31 HAM (13h) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 27-39 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 14 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 196 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 23:07:50 I enjoyed living in SF for a while, but I'm glad I live in the type of place that bh likes to make fun of 23:08:45 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:49 ? 23:14:55 -!- AltReality has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 23:26:57 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:27:48 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 23:29:35 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:31:03 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:21 is that PF's talk quote gammafunk ? 23:33:04 yeah 23:33:09 https://roguelike.club/schedule.html 23:36:29 -!- DevlanMud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:38:37 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 23:40:32 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:50:05 -!- contrafett has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:51:21 Halls of Mist is pretty tough 23:54:28 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:54:49 um 23:54:59 it appears the manual still says DD cannot restore drained stats