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(master - 41de211 #6114 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/142356816 00:53:33 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:54:03 that sounds like a good bug 00:54:05 hm 00:54:23 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think 10525 is not exactly a bug, but definitely not a feature 00:54:23 heh 00:54:28 there was some player who got completely ruined by vaults when trying to play a 'batform-only' vp... bcadren, maybe? 00:54:29 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: "unintended but forseeable consequence"? 00:54:40 what's the current system for monsters disappearing after their summoner dies? 00:56:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-908-g77c7a9b: Make mons Black Mark fade over time! Yay! (10470) 10(84 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77c7a9b7307a 00:56:21 <|amethyst> in _pre_monster_move it checks whether its summoner is dead or no longer exists, and if so deletes ENCH_ABJ 00:56:35 <|amethyst> hmm 00:58:06 <|amethyst> so I guess I don't understant the behaviour in that bug report after all 00:58:26 <|amethyst> unless "you kill the orc high priest!" happened on the OHP's turn 00:58:47 i know i've seen it myself 00:59:12 -!- _dhm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:59:59 <|amethyst> I guess the OHP must have died on a monster's turn 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:06 <|amethyst> so after all the _pre_monster_move calls 01:05:35 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 01:05:52 -!- VoxSomniator_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:32 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-908-g77c7a9b (34) 01:10:38 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:19:44 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-909-g0f4174d: Make rpois give immunity to meph breath (9723) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0f4174d31a4d 01:20:22 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:26:00 meph bref 01:26:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-910-gd3f9c40: New treasure trove quote (10441) 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 14+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d3f9c4075eb5 01:26:29 gammafunk: i hear people in central california have a lot of meph breath........ winky face...... 01:26:36 it is a drug abuse joke 01:26:38 daaaang 01:27:19 as an aside 01:27:27 typical norcal elitist scum 01:29:30 i say that only in the most sympathetic way, of course. 01:34:34 -!- Pekkekk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:35:21 -!- Harudoku has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:15 10521 is worrying 01:38:21 no idea how to investigate it really 01:41:32 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:41:51 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:28 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:02 !bug 10521 01:43:03 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10521 01:43:51 PleasingFungus: can't recreate it? 01:44:00 I wonder if it would be halo related 01:44:10 i don't think it was 01:44:18 i've done it twice now 01:44:20 hm 01:44:51 no halos either time, anyway 01:45:33 -!- jefus- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:45:42 -!- techieAgnostic has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 01:45:43 -!- jeefus is now known as jefus 01:47:33 also I found out that my pakellas cloud vault is brokey 01:47:39 ? 01:47:46 I'll look at that after I give recreating that bug a shot 01:47:54 it didn't kill the dragon in the cloud chamber! 01:47:57 the clouds never changed 01:48:14 sad... 01:48:40 the message from pak appeared but no damaging clouds dropped, ice dragon got off scot-free 01:48:41 wish i had some advice for recreating the bug - i think both times were just after a load, but that doesn't seem to be enough to recreate the bug in itself 01:49:39 hrm 01:49:46 I really doubt this could be webtiles-related 01:50:02 but I'll test in that just to be sure 01:51:22 it showed up in local tiles 01:51:35 haven't tried console 01:52:00 agreed it seems unlikely to be a tiles vs console thing or w/e 01:54:23 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:57:37 does grey smoke block sight? 01:57:38 ??smoke 01:57:38 smoke[1/2]: Two tiles of smoke on the same line will block LOS mutually (like trees). Certain kinds of smoke (like black smoke) spread to adjacent tiles, others just stay put. 01:57:56 yes 01:57:58 it should 01:58:26 !source enum.h:914 01:58:26 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/enum.h#l914 01:58:36 check out CLOUD_OPAQUE_FIRST 01:58:39 ah, I just recreated it I think 01:58:45 any idea how? 01:58:48 hrm..not really 01:58:50 it was grey smoke for me too i think 01:58:52 hm 01:58:54 got grey smoke 01:58:55 maybe 01:59:22 two smoke clouds to south of me for like two tiles in either dir 01:59:50 but in one diagonal there was only one tile, but it showed tiles where the ray was definitely going through two clouds 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:07 oh yeah 02:00:09 just read again 02:00:13 after resting 02:00:18 I can see through all the clouds 02:00:45 maybe I should screenshot it for you, not that it will help a lot 02:00:58 -!- techieAgnostic has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 02:01:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-911-g9051774: Don't crash on Veh/Makh wrath (10483) 10(33 seconds ago, 1 file, 10+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/90517748f97b 02:01:44 oh, another weird thing is my monster list is stale? 02:01:48 interesting 02:02:53 http://i.imgur.com/AQ8nofB.png 02:03:03 I went a bit overboard on recreating the bug reporters setup 02:03:11 found a similar layout, similar char etc 02:04:03 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:04:05 heh 02:04:07 yeah it was that cloud 02:04:09 but that's not grey smoke 02:04:11 i think 02:04:27 hm, maybe it is 02:04:29 idk 02:04:31 it says grey smoke 02:04:34 in xv 02:04:34 god damn it i got it 02:04:37 first action after loading 02:04:42 read the scroll of fog and it's busted 02:05:03 if it's always that, at least you can recreate reliably 02:05:09 nope 02:05:13 it's not always that :( 02:05:22 ah, is this Tiles? 02:05:27 yes? 02:05:42 webtiles redraws are different maybe 02:06:11 as in maybe you could try testing in webtiles 02:06:20 I guess that's hard for you to debug 02:06:48 what would i be testing for 02:07:19 like, if i reproduced it in webtiles, what would that tell me? if i didn't, what would that tell me? 02:08:00 well I can take a stab maybe tomorrow, but if I can recreate I'd do some debugging; I'm just not familiar with all the checks 02:08:13 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:08:17 still not sure when this happens, is it always after rest for me? 02:08:40 seems not always, wonder if I have to move to reset it 02:08:51 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-910-gd3f9c40 (34) 02:09:11 i have no grasp of the vision code, yeah 02:09:15 which is part of why this bug worries me 02:09:21 interesting, it seems to have issues with every fog 02:09:35 after a few turns it did fix itself 02:09:59 -!- squidcat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:10:29 yeah, when the smoke spreads, it seems to often fail to update visibility of los 02:10:51 -!- Goblin1989 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:11:21 -!- techieAgnostic has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 02:11:31 grey smoke is maybe always just messed up; magical cond. never spreads, but seems to be always correct when the scroll is read 02:12:30 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:30 yeah it seems that grey smoke is a problem every time 02:12:31 The build has errored. 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love it? 12:50:32 sounds like you just want to be able to see the rest of your inventory. can you hit * in the ?id menu? 12:51:46 well i don't want to see *all* of it, i don't think. i don't think anything but wands really impacts what i want to id 12:51:47 -!- pyrotecnix has quit [Quit: all] 12:51:52 yeah but like 12:51:55 they're the only thing you can have unidentified duplicates of 12:51:59 being able to see your inventory would solve the problem 12:52:31 oh 12:52:33 this is a solved problem 12:52:51 you can already hit \ while in the id menu to view known items. there's a toggle at the top 12:52:52 and you can't use * to view your whole inv 12:53:13 hmm, maybe that is good enough 12:53:15 but i guess \ doesn't tell you which wands you've actually burned ID on 12:54:06 03|amethyst02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.19-a0-922-gae50766: Display CTRL/SHIFT on pending input with * and / prefixes (#298). 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 1 file, 24+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ae50766ee8b3 12:54:41 oh, you're right 12:59:21 -!- pyrotecnix has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 12:59:23 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:58 -!- pyrotecnix has quit [Client Quit] 13:08:11 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:08:58 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-922-gae50766 (34) 13:11:41 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:14:48 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:17:13 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:32 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:27:34 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-922-gae50766 (34) 13:28:13 -!- mrm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:33 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:38:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:39:49 So, I think the piety cost for Sif's new channel magic is too high, at least for extended. 13:41:00 (the commit mentioned some tweaking with play testing) 13:41:58 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:18 Honestly, I think either hunger or a timeout for the ability would be a better choice, unless the intent was specifically to nerf sif in extended. 13:43:46 I'm just comparing Sif in hells currently vs before. 13:44:35 -!- excalibur03 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:45:23 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:45:37 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:38 The build has errored. 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ZZZzzz…] 14:36:06 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:42:33 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:42 -!- removeelyvilon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:46 Suggestion: Simply make Sif * "Store Magic": Your next spell is stored for later use (like delayed fireball). Works with everything except delayed fireball. 14:46:49 why 14:47:13 because it would be silly to delay a delayed fireball obv 14:48:32 that is not quite what i was asking. 14:48:34 :p 14:51:03 dunno it seemed nice and clean so I felt like sharing it for no apparant reason 14:51:18 -!- excalibur03 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:53:39 ok. 14:54:10 Suggestion: change piety cost for channel magic to either hunger or a time out, for above reasons. 14:55:06 i feel like gammafunk and/or marvinpa are the people you want to talk to about that. 14:55:30 i have no position on sif. 14:56:05 PleasingFungus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxK_nA2iVXw 14:58:56 -!- removeelyvilon_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:24 This is some weird order of messages: 15:00:25 _You can now stomp with the beat. You stomp with the beat, sending a shockwave through the revelers around you! The yaktaur is heavily wounded. The vault warden is heavily wounded. You feel somewhat more hungry. You can no longer stomp with the beat. The vault warden hits you but does no damage. The yaktaur closely misses you. _You can now stomp with the beat. 15:00:53 mrm: people in https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=20576 argue that newsif is infinite mp, which doesn't sound like it needs buffing. 15:01:16 Yermak: what's weird about that? 15:01:28 it's one turn 15:01:30 i guess that the 'can now stomp' message is after the miss, not the hit? 15:01:35 other than that it all seems reasonable 15:01:44 PleasingFungus: It's a pretty big nerf in extended, though it's a buff on D4 or so. 15:02:39 A guy used piety, stomped, dealt damage. Then game said he can no longer use stomp. Then dudes missed him and game said he can use stomp. 15:03:13 yes? 15:03:26 Piety is given only for the damage you deal, isn't it? 15:03:34 i thought it was also for taking damage? 15:03:37 ??usk 15:03:38 uskayaw[1/4]: God of ecstatic dance. Piety raises very quickly as you deal damage and drops very quickly over time. *: Stomp for AOE damage. **: Teleport through a line of creatures, confusing them. ***: on reaching this piety level, briefly paralyze all enemies in LOS. ****: On reaching this piety level, monsters share damage. *****: Telefrag any monster in LOS. 15:03:40 hm 15:03:56 mrm: huh? sif changes were an early game nerf 15:03:57 Old sif was infinite mp, new sif is occasional 1mp per turn regen rate, and an emergency regen button. 15:04:16 apparently not 15:04:26 I think it should be like: Stomp is used - message about lower piety - message about damage dealt - message about higher piety. 15:04:58 minmay: I think the Divine energy is arguably a buff, since it more or less lets you act like you have 1mp per turn regen when you are out of mp. 15:05:03 i think you'd have to rewrite the way that all abilities work to get the lower piety message to show up before the damage dealt thing 15:05:23 and i don't think it's very important 15:05:35 in general, the costs of abilities are applied after the effects 15:06:07 think about what would happen with trog abilities 15:06:21 mrm: I'm not sure about your claim about "enough piety gain in extended" 15:07:09 as in, what kind of invocations did you have, how were you using this piety, what (if anything) where you training skill wise, and in what context did you lack piety 15:08:09 This is in Hell, 27 in all relevant skills but training charms. 15:08:18 heh 15:08:36 so, zigs basically 15:09:02 More or less. I would prefer if there was a way for the same sort of playstyle to be viable. 15:09:42 yeah that's not really a big concern I have; I mean you get piety from kills still, and if you're killing a ton of things, you're probably gaining enough piety 15:10:02 what you probably want to consider is using some cboe as a suplement 15:10:17 you have vastly more xp available to train evo high 15:10:27 and you can use sif's abilities as a supplement from the mp drain 15:10:41 That still seems like a really unjustified nerf. 15:10:48 unjustified nerf? 15:10:51 nerf to what? 15:10:55 No one was arguing Sif was Op before. 15:11:00 we don't really balance gods around zigs, you know 15:11:11 This was just decending through hell. 15:11:28 I lost a pip of faith using channeling really moderately, while killing entire crowds. 15:11:55 You're not really going to run into piety issues of the sort where you'll lose access to channel doing hell 15:12:01 The same thing applies to pan. 15:12:17 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:32 For better or worse, sif has a unique piety gain mechanic still 15:12:32 I mean, if you say so, I suppose I'll mistrust my lying eyes. 15:12:47 so if *really* think you're running out of piety, you can always exploit this 15:12:59 and train skills to gain even more piety 15:13:40 that's one of the choices you can make under such a system; we could simply do full piety on kills which would prevent issues like this but then any decision making aspect to piety gain is lost, and some people find that interesting 15:13:41 A DE maxes out magic skills like crazy during extended. 15:14:09 right, if you really can't stand losing a * of piety for a while, what I'm saying is you can train other magical skills 15:14:14 possibly just wear "faith 15:14:15 piety occasionally going down from max as a result of using god abilities seems fine and a total nonissue 15:14:19 right 15:14:36 i feel like half the complaints about balance we get come from DE players 15:14:37 Yes, but that's during what was, to me, fairly conservative use. 15:14:45 PleasingFungus: probably, yeah 15:14:50 you can't use the new channel ability like the old one 15:14:51 you can't spam it constantly 15:14:55 that's the whole idea, presumably 15:15:00 PleasingFungus: it's all DE and Mu, all the way down... 15:15:04 p much 15:15:07 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:15:26 So, could you just remove those races so you don't have to code for playstyles you dislike? 15:16:04 no? Our point is people do some relatively extreme builds on specific races, but expect any changes *not* to affect those extreme builds/races in any way 15:16:14 which is not reasonable from a design perspective 15:16:17 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:16:26 anyhow, the secret tech will be: train other magiacl schools if you need extra piety 15:16:28 DE is one of the most commonly played races. 15:16:30 *magical 15:16:39 it also lends itself to extreme builds 15:16:51 the combination of those two things is probably why we get so many complaints about them! 15:17:01 then you can gain even more piety, and if you've maxed all your usable magical schools, you have extra XP to put into, say air 15:17:04 !lg * recentish s=crace 15:17:05 and you can enjoy some tornado 15:17:08 1812173 games for * (recentish): 250073x Demonspawn, 128591x Minotaur, 123253x Octopode, 107207x Deep Elf, 104507x Gargoyle, 97742x Draconian, 81247x Formicid, 75580x Vine Stalker, 73026x Hill Orc, 69036x Troll, 68764x High Elf, 67581x Spriggan, 66965x Mummy, 55048x Merfolk, 53076x Human, 51121x Ogre, 46670x Naga, 42489x Tengu, 41568x Vampire, 33858x Kobold, 32937x Felid, 32567x Deep Dwarf, 31382x... 15:17:15 wow, those octopodes 15:17:20 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:17:20 optm! 15:17:21 who is playing that many octopodes? 15:17:23 !lg * op s=crace 15:17:26 So, you've been getting complaints that DEs are overpowered? 15:17:26 298035 games for * (op): 298035x Octopode 15:17:33 lok 15:17:33 er 15:17:33 *lol 15:17:33 oops 15:17:33 mrm: what? 15:17:34 !lg * op s=cls 15:17:36 298035 games for * (op): 61028x Transmuter, 28238x Wizard, 23741x Assassin, 22330x Wanderer, 21870x Monk, 15126x Fire Elementalist, 14219x Fighter, 14000x Conjurer, 13171x Venom Mage, 12004x Ice Elementalist, 11221x Earth Elementalist, 7522x Berserker, 6657x Artificer, 6532x Enchanter, 5048x Abyssal Knight, 5013x Summoner, 4783x Chaos Knight, 4555x Gladiator, 4501x Necromancer, 3598x Hunter, 3020x... 15:17:41 yeah, optm 15:17:43 !lg * recentish op s=name 15:17:46 123253 games for * (recentish op): 2352x M4edhros, 2135x petzl, 1848x Svalbardcaretaker, 1656x hydragon, 1264x Uberwunderbarhen, 1201x hong, 1170x pmiller623, 1080x jw, 1035x joon153, 1018x penismuncher, 1009x melek, 993x runewalsh, 770x sscrono2, 694x silentsnack, 693x MolaMola, 645x comborobin, 605x Piginabag, 543x DickyLongcocking, 538x AlienJ, 533x edsrzf, 533x laz, 532x Clownie, 503x bombasti... 15:17:53 hong... 15:18:05 huh, it's that guy who files a bunch of mantis bugs. le_nerd 15:18:08 aka svalbardetc 15:18:19 !lg bot name=jw 15:18:20 1150. jw the Sneak (L6 OpBe of Trog), slain by an orc wizard (a +0 dagger of venom) on D:4 on 2015-11-23 02:04:53, with 347 points after 4902 turns and 0:13:25. 15:18:26 good to see both penismuncher & dickylongcocking represented here. 15:18:28 wonder what jw is 15:18:32 ??jw 15:18:32 I don't have a page labeled jw in my learndb. Did you mean: *w, ew, gw, hw, j, jr, qw, rw, tw, w, xw. 15:18:38 ??tw 15:18:38 are all those demonspawn games from startscummers or what? 15:18:38 tw[1/1]: It actually means "kill everything" 15:18:43 mm 15:18:53 nikheizen: it's legit popular, but also, yes 15:18:57 hrm 15:18:58 !lg * recentish / quit 15:19:00 !lg * recentish ds / quit 15:19:02 150879/1812183 games for * (recentish): N=150879/1812183 (8.33%) 15:19:06 54770/250073 games for * (recentish ds): N=54770/250073 (21.90%) 15:19:09 youch 15:19:11 ayyy 15:19:14 !lg * recentish dr / quit 15:19:18 6091/97743 games for * (recentish dr): N=6091/97743 (6.23%) 15:19:18 !lg * recentish wn / quit 15:19:21 woah 15:19:21 16083/77990 games for * (recentish wn): N=16083/77990 (20.62%) 15:19:26 This is a pretty heavy nerf end game for more or less my most common build. MP is no longer a plentiful resource under sif, but instead an emergency thing. That means a pretty heavy reduction to average amount of mp generally available. 15:19:28 dr less quits than average 15:19:59 Even mid game, when you have to choose between losing piety from channeling and getting enough for more spellbooks. 15:20:00 I have to point out that endgame and post-end are two entirely different things 15:20:16 !lg * recentish !ds / quit 15:20:19 mrm: It's not a nerf when it comes to 'winning the game'; if you are defining 'nerf' here to mean 'I have less mp than before in hell with my DE given my particular MP usage', that is not a definition of nerf that we use 15:20:20 96109/1562114 games for * (recentish !ds): N=96109/1562114 (6.15%) 15:20:29 looks like just about average for non-ds 15:20:40 I feel like everyone involved in this conversation is overvaluing MP 15:20:45 !lg * recentish s=crace / quit o=-% 15:20:51 150879/1812187 games for * (recentish): 0/1x Sludge Elf [0.00%], 1883/41568x Vampire [4.53%], 3339/69037x Troll [4.84%], 2847/55049x Merfolk [5.17%], 2207/42490x Tengu [5.19%], 6818/128593x Minotaur [5.30%], 1801/33858x Kobold [5.32%], 6580/123253x Octopode [5.34%], 5875/107208x Deep Elf [5.48%], 3728/67581x Spriggan [5.52%], 3809/66965x Mummy [5.69%], 4178/73026x Hill Orc [5.72%], 6035/104507x Ga... 15:21:03 minmay: i'm more of an hp guy, myself 15:21:05 recentish SE, nice 15:21:06 well I've told minmay to not overvalue MP so much, but he doesn't listen, nothing I could do 15:21:08 !lg * se recentish 15:21:09 !kw recentish 15:21:09 Keyword: recentish => cv>=0.16 15:21:10 1. domi the Reanimator (L9 SENe of Sif Muna), blasted by Maurice (wand of cold) on D:8 on 2015-09-23 15:24:06, with 2808 points after 8707 turns and 1:25:40. 15:21:17 sad! 15:21:26 !gamesby domi 15:21:27 domi has played 1435 games, between 2012-03-06 16:53:01 and 2016-03-24 13:06:13, won 0, high score 1479166, total score 5184292, total turns 5448533, play-time/day 0:17:42, total time 18d+4:42:39. 15:21:32 aww 15:21:36 !hs domi 15:21:38 1435. domi the Cruiserweight Champion (L27 NaFi of Cheibriados), blasted by an orb of fire (bolt of fire) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2012-06-03 17:09:53, with 1479166 points after 178717 turns and 1d+1:50:01. 15:21:42 generally you have more than enough MP without using items/gods at all 15:22:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:22:09 Not really. You never have enough MP. 15:22:41 %git 15:22:41 07|amethyst02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.19-a0-922-gae50766: Display CTRL/SHIFT on pending input with * and / prefixes (#298). 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 1 file, 24+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ae50766ee8b3 15:22:42 and the one period in the game where you maybe don't is before you reach *** piety 15:22:47 nice mantis bug number disguised as a PR number there 15:22:55 hey, don't blame me! 15:23:21 just because my name's on the commit doesn't mean i want to take any responsibility for it 15:23:32 or anything, generally 15:24:00 Well sif gives you access to more MP before *** so that's pretty nice 15:24:10 glad that patch got merged, now everyone who matters will get feedback with * and / 15:24:10 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:24:13 !messages 15:24:14 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (12h 26m 46s ago): odds that 8490 will ever happen? 15:24:39 Did anyone who understands LOS update code see the bug/discussion that PF brought up last night? 15:24:47 !seen siegurt 15:24:48 I last saw Siegurt at Mon Jul 4 09:12:38 2016 UTC (1d 10h 12m 10s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'. 15:24:50 !seen seigurt 15:24:51 Sorry wheals, I haven't seen seigurt. 15:24:52 !seen keanan 15:24:53 I last saw Keanan at Sun Aug 17 00:31:53 2014 UTC (about 1y 46w 2d 18h 53m ago) joining the channel. 15:24:56 I'm able to recreate this fog/los problem reliably with grey/black smoke 15:25:05 looks like siegurt is around occasionally 15:25:08 which bug is this? 15:25:21 poop, let me go find it 15:25:44