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quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:15 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:01 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:23:31 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:23:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:46 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:24:07 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:24:41 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:25:18 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:25:35 PleasingFungus: re ancestor kills giving full xp: shouldn't all allies do that now 00:25:55 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:02 all perma-allies? 00:26:20 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]] 00:26:29 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:26:54 all allies 00:26:55 honestly i'd be fine with all allies doing that straight up, but i feel like people would complain about 'summoning OP' etc 00:27:08 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:27:13 well it was introduced to keep summoning from being OP and it...didn't do that 00:27:42 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:28:18 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:33 I'm sure someone else would be willing to argue about this for longer, but regardless of the other issues with half xp, it's very odd that some allies give full XP and some do not 00:28:57 i think allies giving part xp encourages players' worst and least fun habits 00:28:59 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:29:04 it's bad 00:29:14 but i think i would get yelled at if i removed it without some kind of compensating summoning nerf 00:29:31 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:29:34 getting yelled at is basically the worst thing that can happen to a person. 00:30:10 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:30:42 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:30:53 ooh I can think of summoning nerfs! 00:31:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:31:19 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:31:53 if it rhymes with 'replooval', i'm not sold 00:31:53 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:57 make allies disappear immediately when out of LOS 00:32:19 remove whatever the highest option is from BiA and shift the others up 00:32:33 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32:34 i don't understand the advantage of the no-los ally thing. 00:32:37 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:32:42 make batty independent of player action speed so that monstrous menagerie harpies don't completely wreck everything's shit if you spam ' 00:32:44 what problem is that solving? 00:32:49 heh 00:33:01 yeah we should fix batty 00:33:08 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:30 i can't remember, what was the proposed fix? make their battiness last some fixed aut or # of monster actions? 00:33:44 http://puu.sh/pwO7a/7e3051cadf.png 00:33:45 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:48 DOUBLE 00:33:49 TROUBLE 00:34:21 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:34:22 shorten the duration on ice beast, hound 00:34:52 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:34:59 apply a global summon cap in addition to the per-spell one 00:35:18 have a summon cap on box of beasts/sack of spiders 00:35:35 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:35:50 remove webs from sack of spiders (okay this isn't a direct nerf to the ally part but webs from sack of spiders are extremely OP) 00:36:06 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:21 make malign gateway an actual summon so you can't cast it and then walk away and it kills everything out of los 00:36:44 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:36:47 beastbox and spidersack both got nerfed very hard, so i don't think they need anything more for a while. nor do i think changing xp would have a meaningful impact on them. 00:37:01 (admittedly that makes malign gateway pretty much useless but that's better than malign gateway being overpowered, like it is now) 00:37:15 i'm still confused about why you suggested making allies vanish when outside the player's LOS. 00:37:23 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:46 that was a joke 00:38:01 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:38:28 hm 00:38:28 since I said clouds should vanish out of los so many times, and now it's been mostly implemented 00:38:29 heh 00:38:29 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:36 the rest of these suggestions are not jokes 00:38:36 ok, i will accept this 'joke'. 00:38:37 for now... 00:39:00 the ice beast/hound nerfs & global summon caps seem like the most plausible changes 00:39:07 and i guess malign gateway 00:39:08 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:16 the malign gateway one is practically urgent 00:39:32 but least relevant to 'universal full ally xp' 00:39:43 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:05 these nerfs would be good regardless of what happens to ally xp btw 00:40:24 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 00:40:49 also rename rod of shadows because right now it tries to sound like it copies shadow creatures but it doesn't 00:41:03 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 00:41:21 and nerf kiku by making corpse delivery use invocations 00:41:36 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:41:55 it sort of copies shadow creatures 00:42:06 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:17 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-12-june-2016#comment-2527 00:42:41 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:42:48 iirc mps is also against the existence of branches 00:43:05 iirc mps is also against the existence of branches 00:43:10 wow mps has an opinion that isn't stupid, that's surprising 00:43:13 lol 00:43:25 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:43:37 Pakellas experimental 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10511 by Siegurt 00:44:01 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:44:09 i can formulate some pretty good arguments against branches, but not for "gods should use skills for things unrelated to what those skills normally do" 00:44:32 "against the existence of branches" i would like to see an argument supporting this 00:44:36 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:45:06 creates "no-brainer choices" and "newbie traps" 00:45:13 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:45:16 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:45:20 "tedious" 00:45:43 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:59 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:19 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:46:57 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:47:20 wow that's a lot of power words 00:47:20 iirc the actual argument complained that it encouraged players to avoid nasty situations in one branch by just going to another and coming back later 00:47:23 ty 00:47:33 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:48:09 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:48:46 Gods (Okawaru at least) give gifts based on enhanced skill levels 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10512 by Barberik 00:48:46 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:48:55 maybe I am "degenerate", but I like that if you run into something you can't deal with you can take a jaunt in the hyperbolic time chamber for a bit and come back to deal with it properly 00:49:22 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:49:44 i wonder... 00:49:49 nikheizen: yeah no i think that's a feature 00:49:56 and one of the skills that crawl teaches you 00:49:57 I guess my sentence about mps sounds even meaner to most people here since they haven't seen the gamergate BS he used to post on tavern 00:49:59 -!- scummos| has quit [Client Quit] 00:50:05 oh, yeah, i missed that entirely 00:51:22 I don't really keep up on tavern. and I'm not a good enough player to easily recognize good/bad features. I wouldn't have ever guessed that anyone could make a serious case against the existence of branches since that seems a huge component of crawl strategy 00:51:58 johnstein: some people just really REALLY don't like nethack :p 00:52:04 also, now I want a hyperbolic time chamber portal branch :) 00:52:14 (not really!) 00:52:21 we already have that, it's called lair 00:53:55 maybe a wizlab where there's a permanent slow effect and a carefully curated set of enemies (though I bet it would be very very difficult to make that setup work, esp with chei) 00:54:14 !bug 10509 00:54:14 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10509 00:54:18 not sure how i feel about this one 00:54:34 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55:04 my feeling is that this is solving a problem that doesn't exist 00:55:14 since i don't think it's even theoretically optimal to try to destroy every web trap 00:55:35 and encouraging you to do the same thing by leading monsters into them seems... dumb 00:55:54 what's gained from web traps being destructible at all? 00:56:07 It's less tedious to backtrack? 00:56:11 and I've deliberately destroyed them quite a few times 00:56:12 (In spider at least) 00:56:12 something about luring monsters into terrain 00:56:26 but maybe that's fine 00:56:37 i guess i'd rather just make them not destructible at all then make them exclusively monster-destructible 00:56:50 -!- somebody_ is now known as somebody 00:57:15 the player should be destroying webs if they're in the way of a path along the stairs 00:57:20 like a 1-tile corridor 00:57:35 there aren't that many one-tile wide corridors in spider, usually. outside the rune vault 00:57:43 otherwise if you need to retreat you run the risk of walking into it 00:57:44 and the rune vault doesn't have much in the way of webs usually 00:57:59 I liked the tavern suggestion that if you have permawebs, then they don't entangle you 00:58:01 well it doesn't have to be a corridor 00:58:18 just something like #.# where it's faster to walk through the . 00:58:21 but then it's just shallow water that can attact spiders 00:58:53 spider water 00:59:14 does a square have a web trap on it? would you prefer that the square not have a web trap on it? then you should probably destroy the trap 00:59:27 this situation occurs several times every time I do spider 00:59:53 -!- Poncheis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:12 !source dat/des/branches/spider.des 01:00:12 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/spider.des 01:00:22 bring back 'disarm trap' button for superior trap-destruction ui, obviously 01:01:02 alternately, just remove the coinflip and make removing yourself from a web always destroy it 01:01:21 so you trade a little time and some 'web-sense noise' in exchange for destroying a trap 01:01:34 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01:40 which, if you're doing it a few times per trip to spider, doesn't sound particularly 'tedious' 01:02:56 nerf summons by making them all start out webbed 01:03:02 lol 01:03:04 minmay: if you get summons ruined I'm going to start with removing demigods and go down the list removing things you love 01:03:06 patch in 5... 01:03:21 gammafunk: did you read any of the 'full xp for ally kills' chat? 01:03:32 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:03:49 I can't rehash that discussion right out, but allies out of los poofing is probably going to be annoying 01:04:00 I just wanted to put minmay on notice 01:04:15 something bad could happen to the duvessa unique, who can say 01:04:20 the allies out of LOS mechanics are already kind of annoying and tedious imo 01:04:40 well, removing duvessa would get rid of those gross incest stories, so it might be a net positive 01:04:58 s/out/now/ 01:05:17 always disarm webs when you escape and it causes a temporary debuff 01:05:45 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:48 the ally out of los thing is, i am informed, a 'joke' 01:05:50 canonically 01:05:50 "webbed" which causes the player to periodically "freak out" trying to get the web off their body 01:06:01 you are free to write it however you want in your fanfiction, of course. 01:07:06 gammafunk: surely you at least admit that malign gateway shouldn't be able to attack out of los 01:10:14 it's bad that it does this, but isn't even worse how permanent allies do this? 01:10:23 since those are like super prevalent compared to that spell 01:10:50 those are very bad too yes 01:10:54 and I'm not sure people really want to remove that for them, I guess given how many you can get? I've never really thought about it 01:11:35 the downside for permanent allies attacking out of los is traditionally 'permanent allies dying outside los' 01:11:48 whereas there's no such downside for malign gateway 01:12:15 I'm thinking of trying to use malign with the restrictions about los, and it's seeming like something I'm going to avoid 01:12:36 I'm not sure if you could maybe relax some placement retrictions or something 01:13:26 it'd make the spell basically useless, yes, but that's better than it being super op and inconsistent like it is now 01:13:33 but I'm not super attached to that spell like I am my waifu XXX so w/e people feel 01:14:05 I think summon forest has the same issue 01:14:08 about working out of los 01:14:53 summon forest is so weird I straight up forgot it was in the game until now 01:15:05 -!- jetnerd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:15:28 like half your elf picture collection could be summon forest related cosplaying, how could you forget that 01:15:37 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:16:33 I don't really have much of an elf picture collection, just like 5 with blue hair 01:16:52 plus that dowan stock photo 01:18:19 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-687-g35db334 (34) 01:19:29 i tend to forget about both 01:19:31 -!- circ-user-YZn1c has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:23:23 buffing permanent allies by removing the xp thing is probably note a huge deal since beogh is yred but worse, and yred actually gives worse allies than kiku 01:23:32 not* 01:23:41 though kiku allies really need to be nerfed... 01:25:18 -!- DevlanMud|Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:25:37 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:25:42 so what summons/allies don't need nerfs 01:26:00 I didn't like the thing about summons poofing based on what they can see because that's just super annoying 01:26:10 puffing based on what you can see might work I guess 01:26:20 -!- rchandra1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:24 but then summons interaction with invis things gets weird 01:26:51 I think I'd not even like them poofing based on what you can see though 01:28:32 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:29:14 -!- rchandra1 is now known as rchandra 01:30:50 Is there any non-bug related reason that death channel would create hostile spectral enemies instead of friendly ones 01:31:00 sacrifice love? 01:31:15 worshipping a good god? 01:31:26 neither 01:31:35 kiku worshipper 01:32:14 then I'm out of ideas 01:32:36 tornado 01:32:36 it started happening a bit after I went down to V5. no clue what's causing it 01:32:37 amalloy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:32:52 !tell amalloy You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:32:53 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let amalloy know. 01:34:06 oh 01:34:07 PleasingFungus: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 01:34:10 oh god 01:34:22 Shard1697: are there enemy necromancers nearby 01:34:23 PleasingFungus: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them. 01:34:27 jesus christ. 01:34:32 what did i do to deserve this 01:34:42 %git :/ungus 01:34:42 07regret-index02 * 0.19-a0-645-gfd18b6f: New unique: Bai Suzhen, dragon lady 10(4 days ago, 13 files, 171+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fd18b6f9c73e 01:34:49 no, it's just been vault guards I think 01:35:09 !tell PleasingFungus You have 15,000 messages. Use !messages to read them. 01:35:09 amalloy: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:35:09 whyy 01:35:09 PleasingFungus: You have 7 messages. Use !messages to read them. 01:35:25 %git 708bd0eedabcd9ed9d3efc902d8f7f6cf0449991 01:35:25 07wheals02 * 0.19-a0-682-g708bd0e: Give necromancers the ability to make monsters revive as spectral things. 10(35 hours ago, 11 files, 89+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/708bd0eedabc 01:35:59 ??death channel 01:35:59 death channel[1/1]: Level 6 necromancy spell in the book of Unlife. Gives you the temporary status of "channeling the dead" (check it in @ or %), during which anything killed by you or in your LOS comes back as a temporary friendly spectral thing (and can still leave a corpse, too). 01:36:04 !tell pleasingfungus read your messages 01:36:04 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:36:05 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:08 PleasingFungus: i was sad to discover that !recur 2 !messages doesn't work 01:36:12 lmao 01:36:13 PleasingFungus: You have 8 messages. Use !messages to read them. 01:36:29 though on reflection if it had worked i'd probably lose a message forever 01:36:46 Shard1697: i would guess it might be something about that wheals commit 01:37:07 rchandra: glad you enjoyed it! that ending is a good reminder of what (not) to do with ru's powers 01:37:34 just checked to be sure 01:37:35 http://i.imgur.com/z9GJvSY.png 01:37:42 http://i.imgur.com/75wBG6D.png 01:37:48 the funny thing is I had the feeling you didn't use ru's powers preemptively enough in general 01:37:49 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:38:01 the weird part is it was making friendly ones earlier in this same play session 01:38:40 I take the view that using one soon gives less time for something bad to happen, and you should get exh back in time (I wouldn't have used one leap to lure a scorpion up stairs, though) 01:39:39 but then I probably also would have killed most of the stuff you fled from, if not right away than shortly after, for exp/sanity. and probably your paranoid way is better there 01:39:48 Shard1697, guessing that earlier you didn't have a necromancer in range? 01:40:06 no, not as far as I know 01:40:18 unless another enemy can do the same thing 01:40:30 but no necromancer 01:42:52 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:42:57 checked once more: http://i.imgur.com/YhNQKI8.png http://i.imgur.com/IwyLHed.png http://i.imgur.com/jW9UNzR.png 01:46:22 amalloy: you can definitely make a sequell command to multiple-read messages 01:46:35 grunt and I had to do this 01:46:40 when we sequell bombed each other 01:46:55 I think I had to have it read 100 messages he had sent me 01:46:59 what has cyberwarfare has become 01:47:03 yes 01:47:04 *become 01:47:33 it was just like applying map to an integer sequence from 1..100 that called !messages iirc 01:48:26 -!- Limulus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:48:27 or map a function calling messages that ignored its argument, mapped to a sequence of 100 integers 01:50:16 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:51:04 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54:43 %git 0e4a2ca61a56822 01:54:43 07dpeg02 * 0.8.0-a0-3971-g0e4a2ca: Remove a number of temple maps. 10(5 years ago, 1 file, 1+ 365-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0e4a2ca61a56 01:55:09 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-687-g35db334 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:12 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:29 -!- Laptop__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:04:22 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:05:12 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05:23 -!- wobwob has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:07:50 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:09:27 ENCH_BOUND_SOUL, 0, mons, INFINITE_DURATION 02:09:29 interesting 02:09:58 Shard1697: can you make a save dump? 02:14:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:14:40 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:18:31 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:19:43 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:32 ugh, i typed 'dialogue' when i meant 'dialect'. how embarassing... 02:31:38 PleasingFungus, I haven't been able to reproduce Shard1697's issue on dbro wizmode yet.... 02:31:50 neither have i 02:31:51 hence req for save 02:32:22 cast dchan a bunch. worked fine. created a necro and waited till it created a spectral enemy. then used dchan again, and it's working OK still 02:32:30 yea. 02:32:44 necro thing may be a red herring 02:32:58 unfortunate timing 02:33:17 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:35:15 !lm Shard1697 x=src 02:35:16 25455. [2016-06-18 05:28:35] [src=cbro] Shard1697 the Impaler (L23 HOSk of Kikubaaqudgha) killed Margery on turn 60260. (Vaults:4) 02:35:39 !lm Shard1697 x=src,cv 02:35:41 25455. [2016-06-18 05:28:35] [src=cbro;cv=0.19-a] Shard1697 the Impaler (L23 HOSk of Kikubaaqudgha) killed Margery on turn 60260. (Vaults:4) 02:35:57 !lm Shard1697 x=src,v 02:35:58 25455. [2016-06-18 05:28:35] [src=cbro;v=0.19.0-a0] Shard1697 the Impaler (L23 HOSk of Kikubaaqudgha) killed Margery on turn 60260. (Vaults:4) 02:36:02 !lm Shard1697 x=src,vlong 02:36:03 25455. [2016-06-18 05:28:35] [src=cbro;vlong=0.19-a0-684-gf760df0] Shard1697 the Impaler (L23 HOSk of Kikubaaqudgha) killed Margery on turn 60260. (Vaults:4) 02:37:01 he posted that he's stopping for the night 02:37:08 since bug 02:37:23 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:46 %git 02:38:46 07Lasty02 * 0.19-a0-687-g35db334: Make entropy weavers into formicids 10(8 hours ago, 2 files, 16+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/35db3344b618 02:38:52 &versions 02:39:01 CAO: 0.19-a0-684-gf760df0, CBRO: 0.19-a0-684-gf760df0, CDO: 0.19-a0-683-g5f2401d, CPO: 0.19-a0-682-g708bd0e, CSZO: none, CUE: 0.19-a0-684-gf760df0, CWZ: 0.19-a0-664-g51fd293, CXC: 0.19-a0-687-g35db334, LLD: 0.19-a0-607-g42021f0 02:39:12 ah, I'm still in here actually 02:39:16 what did you want me to do? 02:39:22 don't worry I got it 02:39:23 :) 02:39:33 Shard1697: sit back, and watch the magic... 02:39:35 apparently 02:40:02 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/saves/Sharda1697-crawl-git-f760df0.cs 02:40:04 should work 02:40:38 PleasingFungus^ 02:40:52 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41:07 (Sharda1697, it won't work for you since you don't have dev access to cbro) 02:41:25 hm, crashes on load 02:41:41 I just did a straight copy 02:41:42 -!- Jetnerd has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:42:41 yes, same 02:42:42 http://sprunge.us/WKMK 02:43:12 failure when unmarshalling a monster 02:45:57 PleasingFungus, I can load it on dbro 02:46:04 weird 02:46:13 dbro is current 02:46:14 %git 02:46:15 07Lasty02 * 0.19-a0-687-g35db334: Make entropy weavers into formicids 10(9 hours ago, 2 files, 16+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/35db3344b618 02:46:22 but cbro is a couple commits behind 02:46:56 unfortunately I don't have that version in debug mode 02:48:08 not sure if it's useful, but I copied it as PleasingFungus.cs if you wanted to log in and try (but figure you'll prefer getting it working locally) 02:48:22 hrm 02:49:22 (has wizmode at least) 02:50:36 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-687-g35db334 02:55:02 can you reproduce, anyway? 02:55:22 yes 02:55:28 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:55:41 killing things without dchan on seems to create hostile spectral things 02:56:01 oh, interesting 02:56:21 oh lol i bet i know what it is 02:57:55 update: i didn't know what it was 02:58:27 haunted save file 02:58:33 5spoopy... 02:59:01 PleasingFungus, it's happening after Kiku piety I think 02:59:08 oh. nm 02:59:19 Kikubaaqudgha accepts your kill. 02:59:21 A glowing mist starts to gather... 02:59:26 but... that's just the death message. nm 02:59:52 ? 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:31 this happens for all monsters, including freshly spawned ones? 03:00:43 it's happening right after I kill monsters. not every monster 03:00:48 -!- olscumpy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:00:56 happening on V:5 and V:4 03:01:00 does it ever happen for freshly spawned ones? 03:01:06 like &m 03:01:28 there *is* a necromancer on V:5 but not sure if he's the cause or not since I couldn't see him till just now 03:01:35 I haven't tried for &m ones. I will 03:02:31 it sounds like it's just weirdness with BOUND_SOUL having, for some reason, INFINITE_DURATION 03:02:59 ^vps 03:02:59 CBRO disk usage=84% | RAM usage=21% | uptime/CPU= 03:02:57 up 582 days, 12:21, 5 users, load average: 2.07, 0.89, 0.48 03:03:32 nice disk usage 03:03:47 yea. plenty of space 03:04:05 -!- Pekkekke has quit [] 03:04:11 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:04:57 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:06:07 PleasingFungus, hmm. I made about 30 vault guards via &m and none of them turned 03:06:30 went back down to V:5 and killed a handful of enemies (5? 8?) and got a spectral dragon 03:06:57 and just got another one 03:07:26 are you e(x)aming any of them to check for the bound soul enchant? 03:08:19 I haven't been. I just did. didn't see anything 03:08:59 http://dev.berotato.org:8081/watch/testsharda 03:09:55 i wonder 03:11:21 oh, i needed to rebuild 03:11:31 will try again 03:12:06 hm 03:12:43 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-687-g35db334 (34) 03:13:43 ??bound soul 03:13:44 I don't have a page labeled bound_soul in my learndb. 03:13:50 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:13:51 ?/bound 03:13:52 Matching entries (3): deep_dwarf_death_knight[1] | explore_mode[1] | multizap[1] 03:14:00 ...and now shard's game crashes with a floating point exception 03:14:01 nice 03:14:02 %git :/[Bb]ound 03:14:02 07regret-index02 * 0.19-a0-129-g2caaceb: nicolae- vaults- (10069, 10388) 10(5 weeks ago, 9 files, 880+ 174-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2caaceb77f76 03:14:03 (on launch) 03:14:14 %git :/[Ss]oul 03:14:14 07MarvinPA02 * 0.19-a0-422-g2ee921e: Disable some Elyvilon and Yred abilities under sacrifice love 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 19+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ee921eedf9a 03:14:20 I suck 03:14:20 johnstein: 708bd0eedabcd9ed9d3e 03:14:32 i pasted it like two pages up in the log 03:14:34 %git 708bd0eedabcd9ed9d3e 03:14:34 07wheals02 * 0.19-a0-682-g708bd0e: Give necromancers the ability to make monsters revive as spectral things. 10(2 days ago, 11 files, 89+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/708bd0eedabc 03:16:00 yea 03:16:05 was being lazy I suppose 03:17:34 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:44 PleasingFungus, I don't think it's a bug 03:21:04 now that I know what Bound Soul does, there's a ton of monsters in V:5 who are bound 03:21:07 ok 03:21:14 just poor ui and a bizarre infinite duration? 03:21:21 yea 03:21:24 !tell wheals why on earth does Bound Soul have DURATION_INFINITE? 03:21:24 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 03:21:50 I barely use 'x' to examine monsters. I'm a dirty tiles player who assumes that all pertinent info is visible 'at a glance' 03:22:19 the obvious solution is a 'green' dot, or some other color that hasn't been appropriated yet 03:22:38 (for some definition of obvious, obviously) 03:22:48 yeah, a little corner icon is a good idea 03:23:22 neat 03:26:32 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:32:18 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:37:37 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:47 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:51:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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I've recolored them all in my rc because they blend in too much for me. 08:48:58 <|amethyst> Lasty: in console? 08:49:00 All of them have other, lighter colors that they could easily switch to. 08:49:01 |amethyst: yes 08:49:12 <|amethyst> Lasty: what terminal emulator? 08:49:17 PuTTY 08:49:34 -!- doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:49:53 <|amethyst> Lasty: Configuration -> Window / Colours -> in the scrolldown list pick ANSI blue 08:49:54 Is this the sort of thing that most people address by adjusting how BLUE displaye 08:49:58 <|amethyst> then click Modify 08:49:59 displays in their console? 08:50:11 <|amethyst> probably not most people 08:50:25 <|amethyst> but if someone has problems seeing one of the colours that's my first advice 08:51:12 <|amethyst> 14 colours already limits the amount of information console can show, going down to 13 would make things worse IMO 08:51:22 fair! that's better than trimming the color list 08:51:31 like you said :) 08:52:13 <|amethyst> you'll probably have to adjust blue bold too 08:52:21 <|amethyst> so you can tell the difference with LIGHTBLUE 08:53:01 <|amethyst> I use #597aff for blue, and #aba9fd for bold blue 08:54:47 <|amethyst> ??colours[4] 08:54:47 colours[4/4]: for y in {0..7}; do for b in 0 1; do for x in {0..7}; do printf '\e[%1d;4%1d;3%1dm%1d/%1d ' ${b} ${y} ${x} $((x+8*b)) ${y}; done; done; printf '\e[0m\n'; done 08:55:19 <|amethyst> might be useful to tell which colours will show up on which backgrounds 08:55:21 when is bold used as opposed to standard blue? 08:55:31 <|amethyst> bold blue is what Crawl calls LIGHTBLUE 08:55:36 ah 08:56:13 <|amethyst> you also need another setting to use that; I think it's on by default but it's had two different names 08:56:29 <|amethyst> currently I think it's Indicate bolded text by changing: * The colour (or * Both) 08:56:52 <|amethyst> It used to be a checkbox "Bolded text is a different colour" 08:57:06 I think I may have disabled that . . . 08:57:14 <|amethyst> if you see someone who can't see darkgrey things, that's why 08:57:18 yeah 08:57:20 I had that issue 08:57:20 <|amethyst> (most likely) 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:29 Item_slot not working properly 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10514 by Yermak 09:10:22 |amethyst: I think your blues are too light for me -- they blend into lightgrey. I'm gonna tone it down a bit. :) 09:16:47 <|amethyst> Lasty: yeah... every change you make ends up needing another change 09:17:58 <|amethyst> I still have problems reading lightblue on brown, magenta on red, cyan on green with my colour set 09:19:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:24:28 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:25:27 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:25:55 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:57 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:31:26 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:53 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:47:50 -!- Demise_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:50:36 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:29 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:00:09 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:43 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:09 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:25:11 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:27:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:16 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:56 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:54 -!- sky_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:43 <|amethyst> hm 11:03:51 <|amethyst> monk recommendations should probably be updated 11:04:37 <|amethyst> at least HO -> Mo makes sense 11:05:41 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:08:14 !apt inv 11:08:14 Inv: DD: 3!, HO: 3!, Ds: 3!, Fo: 2, HE: 1, Mf: 1, Dr: 1, Ce: 1, Na: 1, Og: 1, Op: 1, Gh: 1, Gr: 1, DE: 1, Ko: 1, Hu: 1, Ha: 1, Mi: 0, VS: 0, Sp: 0, Fe: 0, Dg: N/A, Te: -1*, Vp: -1*, Tr: -1*, Mu: -1* 11:11:21 so I guess currently we have Mo -> HO Tr Mi Gr Gh Mf Vp 11:12:08 and Gh Gr Mi Tr Vp VS -> Mo 11:12:10 <|amethyst> and Gh Gr Mi Tr Vp VS -> Mo 11:12:19 <|amethyst> doh :) 11:13:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:14:03 for comparison purposes we have Gl -> DD HO Mf Mi Gr Ce and Fi -> DD HO Tr Mi Gr Ce 11:14:40 though Mo has a less good D:1-2 so we should take that into account 11:16:18 maybe something like Mo -> DD HO Ds Gr Mf Ce 11:16:56 (same as Gl except Ds instead of Mi because invo apt) 11:20:19 in the other direction, Gh -> Mo seems fine (should maybe add Gh -> Fi somewhere though) 11:20:39 <|amethyst> VS -> Mo seems a little weird with their 0 invo aptitude 11:20:39 Gr -> Mo also fine 11:20:43 <|amethyst> not that all gods use invo 11:20:56 the invo apt isn't really that important (not all gods care), but yeah 11:21:22 I think Mi -> Mo is fine for instance 11:21:34 (since Mi is so magic-averse) 11:22:39 <|amethyst> hm 11:22:42 Tr -> Mo fine too I'd say (I even considered leaving Mo -> Tr in, since Tr is so good at compensating for bad D:1) 11:23:12 <|amethyst> for which races would Mo be better than Gl? 11:23:15 Vp -> Mo is bad though 11:23:43 |amethyst: stuff with good D:1-2 like Tr 11:24:11 <|amethyst> hm 11:24:19 <|amethyst> does the stealth matter much? 11:24:28 not really 11:24:45 maybe Sp -> Mo is worth considering I guess 11:24:50 <|amethyst> starting skill level differences are +1 fighting -2 throwing +2 stealth 11:25:09 <|amethyst> from Gl -> Mo 11:27:04 anyway I'd say that Vp VS -> Mo should be replaced by other combos and maybe also replace Gh -> Mo with Gh -> Fi 11:28:06 <|amethyst> what would replace Mo for VS? 11:28:08 and on further thought, maybe Mo -> DD HO Ds Gr Mf Ce Tr (Tr adds enough variety to be worth including despite the bad invo apt being a bit weird) 11:28:26 !lg * recent won VS s=char 11:28:27 421 games for * (recent won VS): 96x VSMo, 90x VSFi, 54x VSBe, 42x VSAs, 20x VSGl, 13x VSCj, 11x VSEn, 10x VSFE, 9x VSCK, 9x VSWn, 8x VSSk, 7x VSAE, 7x VSAr, 6x VSWz, 6x VSTm, 6x VSAK, 5x VSNe, 5x VSWr, 4x VSIE, 3x VSSu, 3x VSEE, 3x VSHu, 2x VSVM, 2x VSAM 11:28:45 !apt vs 11:28:46 VS: Fighting: -1, Short: -1, Long: -1, Axes: -1, Maces: -1, Polearms: -1, Staves: -1, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 3, Shields: -1, UC: 0, Splcast: 0, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 0, Evo: -1, Exp: 0, HP: -3, MP: 1 11:29:00 maybe VSFi 11:29:03 <|amethyst> berserker, since that takes pressure off MP? 11:29:08 <|amethyst> fi sounds good 11:29:14 or Be yeah 11:30:06 I didn't realize Be wasn't on the list, could maybe replace IE or AE with it as well 11:30:06 <|amethyst> what would it replace for spriggan? 11:30:12 <|amethyst> artificer? 11:31:00 not sure, Sp recommendations are pretty good 11:31:18 <|amethyst> could leave that alone then 11:31:22 and it already has AK as a zealoty background 11:31:23 yeah 11:31:40 that leaves Vp 11:31:56 <|amethyst> hm 11:32:06 !lg * recent won Vp s=char 11:32:07 194 games for * (recent won Vp): 58x VpEn, 13x VpNe, 12x VpMo, 11x VpAs, 10x VpGl, 10x VpVM, 7x VpAE, 6x VpSu, 6x VpFi, 5x VpWr, 5x VpWn, 5x VpTm, 5x VpEE, 5x VpAM, 5x VpWz, 5x VpAK, 4x VpBe, 4x VpIE, 4x VpAr, 4x VpCK, 3x VpSk, 3x VpFE, 2x VpHu, 2x VpCj 11:32:32 <|amethyst> !apt vampire vm 11:32:33 Could not understand "vm" 11:32:33 !lg * recent won !tall Vp s=char 11:32:35 131 games for * (recent won !tall Vp): 38x VpEn, 9x VpMo, 9x VpGl, 8x VpNe, 7x VpAs, 5x VpWn, 5x VpSu, 5x VpFi, 5x VpWr, 4x VpWz, 4x VpEE, 4x VpAE, 4x VpBe, 4x VpAK, 3x VpAM, 2x VpVM, 2x VpHu, 2x VpCK, 2x VpAr, 2x VpTm, 2x VpFE, 2x VpIE, 2x VpCj, VpSk 11:32:38 <|amethyst> !apt vampire poison 11:32:38 Vp (SK_POISON_MAGIC)=-1 11:32:56 <|amethyst> !apt vampire air 11:32:56 Vp (SK_AIR_MAGIC)=0 11:32:56 <|amethyst> !apt vampire earth 11:32:56 Vp (SK_EARTH_MAGIC)=0 11:32:56 !apt vp 11:32:56 Vp: Fighting: -1, Short: 1, Long: 0, Axes: -1, Maces: -2, Polearms: -1, Staves: -2, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: -2*, Armour: -2, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 5!, Shields: -1, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: -3*, Hexes: 4!, Charms: 1, Summ: 0, Nec: 1, Tloc: -2, Tmut: 1, Fire: -2, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: -1, Inv: -1*, Evo: -1, Exp: -1, HP: 0, MP: 0 11:33:06 I'd say just VpMo -> VpGl 11:33:11 to keep a melee option 11:33:11 <|amethyst> they only have 6 right now 11:33:18 could add one too, sure 11:33:30 I think for species we aim for 6-8 options? 11:33:38 <|amethyst> I think so 11:33:43 though I guess minotaur only has 5, weird 11:33:52 <|amethyst> Should HO->Mo replace HO->Gl ? 11:34:16