00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:07 which is used by both objstat and mapstat 00:00:08 ohhhh nice 00:00:34 ??objstat 00:00:34 objstat[1/2]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a build of crawl with EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L=-DDEBUG_STATISTICS in your make command (or full debug with "make debug") to generate item/monsters statistics. See crawl -help for the argument details. 00:00:49 not sure if crawl -help makes this clear, but it's in the help 00:01:16 yeah it mentions a few options below 00:02:36 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:02:37 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n48f-wt36iYd-ige6bcvD5JZEYofcj-oaunE7QCBp9s/edit?usp=sharing here's data from 5k temple placements 00:03:36 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 00:04:34 -!- JStrange_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:18 so it appears about half the temples didn't place once in this sample?! 00:05:22 grep NAME dat/des/branches/temple.des | wc -l 108 00:06:51 oh, that counts temple entries too 00:06:55 yeah 00:07:17 there are 66 temples i think 00:07:23 and 67 placed! so good job 00:07:34 wow, we invented a temple? 00:07:35 -!- JStrange has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:07:44 crawl is strong AI i guess 00:07:52 finally, I can retire 00:08:02 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:08:11 anyway, I know old approach was varied weights to keep some vaults 'rare', but I think when you have 60+ vaults for a single level the weights could be flat 00:08:15 bbl 00:08:18 is it possible we need bigger temples now that the god count has increased somewhat significantly over the past couple years? 00:08:40 possibly 00:09:03 chequers: well, it may not be that simple, since not all temples support all numbers of altars 00:09:44 I'm not really sure how we do weighting for temple levels, maybe r-i understands that better 00:10:51 it's been much too long 00:10:56 -!- aaa_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:11:10 "we group these by some terrain feature" oh, ancient crawl 00:14:32 plunging another sword into my back, a bunch of base temple shapes could be combined and modified to go for certain caps, but I have no idea what said desired caps are 00:15:23 at the very least I could go for that "some temples are too huge" thing 00:16:51 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalie 00:16:53 -!- Kalie is now known as Kalir 00:16:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:17:55 <|amethyst> gammafunk: you have the results of a recent objstat run handy? 00:18:11 <|amethyst> gammafunk: how do vorpal weapons show up in the "All Hand Weapons" row? 00:18:34 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that's the case that's crashing for me, and I have a fix, but I wonder how it's showing up when it doesn't crash 00:18:47 |amethyst: is 0.18 not recent enough? 00:18:52 I just uploaded those today 00:18:57 <|amethyst> ??objstat 00:18:57 objstat[1/2]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a build of crawl with EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L=-DDEBUG_STATISTICS in your make command (or full debug with "make debug") to generate item/monsters statistics. See crawl -help for the argument details. 00:18:58 I'm actually running a 0.19 right now 00:19:01 <|amethyst> ??objstat[2] 00:19:01 objstat[2/2]: Latest spreadsheets for past releases and trunk (0.18-a0-1324-g13589fb): https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 00:19:06 see the 0.18 folder 00:19:28 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:46 <|amethyst> ah 00:19:51 <|amethyst> they all show up as crush there 00:20:08 oh, yeah that has different names 00:21:02 <|amethyst> my change will have it labelled "vorpal" in that row (and that row alone) 00:21:15 -!- RedFeather_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:21:25 <|amethyst> rows for specific weapons will still use the correct name instead of vorpal 00:21:37 sounds good 00:22:11 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-451-gaf442a0: Avoid a crash in objstat. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/af442a0399fe 00:22:36 -!- RedFeather_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:23:05 -!- RedFeather has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23:19 -!- RedFeather_ is now known as RedFeather 00:23:28 <|amethyst> is_range_weapon -> is_ranged_weapon_type was the bit that failed, as it would out of bounds of the Weapon_index array 00:24:00 yeah that hacky use of the final enum value as "all of this type" 00:24:04 <|amethyst> and then use whatever int it happened to grab there as the index into another array 00:24:08 not sure if there's a way around that usage 00:24:31 I could forsee that causing other crashes, but I guess they'd only be objstat crashes 00:24:31 <|amethyst> which explains why it didn't always crash 00:24:38 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:24:45 <|amethyst> gammafunk: actually, the same convention is used in the \ menu 00:24:49 heh, good 00:24:53 <|amethyst> gammafunk: for the "unidentified" entries 00:25:12 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but no weapons in \, and the unidentified entries wouldn't have brands anyway 00:25:22 <|amethyst> which is why this crash never turned up there 00:25:41 -!- Frank2368 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:26:46 -!- RedFeather has quit [Client Quit] 00:26:46 -!- regret-index has left ##crawl-dev 00:27:07 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:27:38 <|amethyst> I'm kind of surprised I'm the only person who's seen the crash, though 00:27:38 <|amethyst> maybe I'm the only person on 32-bit 00:28:06 <|amethyst> or because I use -Og instead of -O0 00:28:16 yeah I just ran 10 iterations of all levels and no crash 00:28:23 without having your fix 00:28:58 I just use debug-lite on 64-bit 00:29:01 <|amethyst> gammafunk: with my local build it crashed every time the all weapon stats included vorpal 00:29:27 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but it makes sense---if the next word after the end of Weapon_index happened to be 0 00:29:57 <|amethyst> gammafunk: then you'd just end up using WPN_CLUB 00:30:05 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-450-g98b348d (34) 00:30:05 <|amethyst> gammafunk: which is probably where the "crushing" came from too 00:30:10 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but since I'm 32-bit, structs can be packed a little tighter, so it probably butts up against another variable 00:31:08 ah, neat 00:31:40 -!- destrovel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:31:44 clearly we need 32-bit and 64-bit travis builds that also run objstat 00:32:09 <|amethyst> 32-bit travis runs would be nice 00:32:14 <|amethyst> also -Werror :) 00:39:32 Sif Muna's Almanac of the Crushed Lies. 00:40:20 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:43:04 it'd be pretty trivial to turn -Werror on for travis builds 00:44:28 !polytheist 00:44:34 Unwon gods for Lightli: Ukayaw 00:44:35 !lg . won ukayaw 00:44:36 No keyword 'ukayaw' 00:44:43 !lg . won god=ukayaw 00:44:44 1. Lightli the Rhythm of Life and Death (L27 MiFi of Ukayaw), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-02-13 20:11:09, with 1729318 points after 72625 turns and 1:56:35. 00:48:30 it's pretty confusing how there doesn't appear to be any message for a shifter casting blink allies encircling 00:48:35 bug? 00:49:08 oh, i guess they "mumble some strange words" 00:49:24 but if you couldn't see the monsters originally, you don't get any message beyond that 00:49:25 -!- Amphouse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:49:35 probably it should mention something 00:51:56 |amethyst thanks for fixing the binding issue, works great now! I assume binding it via macro is a separate issue or do I need to use the UTF character code? 00:52:06 eh via init file 00:53:22 <|amethyst> JStrange_: there were actually two separate fixes 00:53:33 <|amethyst> you should be able to do bindkey = [ř] CMD_DISPLAY_RELIGION now 00:54:17 <|amethyst> and you should be able to macro ř now, either by pressing ř at the macro key prompt or by entering \{345} 00:54:37 <|amethyst> err 00:54:45 I can macro it, yeah 00:54:53 <|amethyst> sorry, you can't actually type \{345} there 00:55:08 <|amethyst> but that's how it shows up, and if you edit your macro file by hand I think that's what you'd use 00:56:01 when does cbro rebuild? 00:56:07 <|amethyst> ??rebuild[2] 00:56:07 rebuild[2/2]: Trunk update start times in UTC (second number during summer time): CAO: 1700; CDO: 0600/0500; CLAN: 2300/2200; CBRO: 0800/0700; CXC: 0500/0400; CPO: every 15 minutes 00:56:24 I don't think the init file binding method works, though, it stil displays the error upon starting a game 00:56:27 <|amethyst> 2 hours or so? 00:56:28 thanks 00:56:45 <|amethyst> JStrange_: hm, it worked for me 00:56:57 like this, right? bindkey = [ž] CMD_DISPLAY_RELIGION 00:57:06 <|amethyst> yeah, that looks right 00:57:08 <|amethyst> oh 00:57:17 <|amethyst> hm 00:57:46 says Invalid key "(garbled characters)" in bindkey directive XXX 00:58:11 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 46.0.1/20160502172042]] 00:58:42 <|amethyst> hm 00:59:33 <|amethyst> what does ?V say? 00:59:36 <|amethyst> as the top line 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:27 <|amethyst> also, what exactly are the garbled characters? 01:00:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:41 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:44 gimme a sec 01:02:14 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:02:18 <|amethyst> it's weird because that error message means now there were two or more code points 01:02:26 <|amethyst> but what you pasted is just one 01:02:52 <|amethyst> it would cause an error like that one if your config file had the composed version of ž rather than the single code point :( 01:03:10 <|amethyst> or if there were a ZWNJ character in between that and the [ or ] 01:04:19 <|amethyst> err, by "composed" version I mean the z + ˇ version, not the precomposed one 01:08:54 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:09:10 sorry it's taking so long, internet in China is goddamn terrible 01:09:23 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-451-gaf442a0 (34) 01:10:38 -!- JStrange has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:41 here http://imgur.com/a/9VE6I 01:11:58 -!- ZiBuDo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:12:08 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:12:18 <|amethyst> JStrange_: oh 01:12:40 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:13:35 -!- JStrange_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:14:17 <|amethyst> JStrange: try converting your init.txt to UTF-8 01:14:49 hey, why did my stones start off in d instead of b? 01:14:50 I'm using Notepad2 to view it, it says it's already in UTF-8 01:14:51 as an EE 01:14:53 <|amethyst> hm 01:15:11 <|amethyst> JStrange: can you upload the file somewhere? the init.txt file itself rather than a screenshot 01:16:11 <|amethyst> %git 8c5b975a3 01:16:11 07wheals02 * 0.19-a0-349-g8c5b975: Keep the a/b slot open for EE/AM, respectively. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 21+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8c5b975a3d20 01:16:18 <|amethyst> sounds like a bug there 01:16:53 <|amethyst> er, hm 01:16:57 |amethyst, https://www.dropbox.com/s/f8h2bbvebkhqid4/init.txt?dl=0 01:17:10 <|amethyst> I guess it changed since then, moment 01:17:39 <|amethyst> %git a768fe62 01:17:39 07wheals02 * 0.19-a0-352-ga768fe6: Simplify. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 17+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a768fe62ef26 01:19:25 <|amethyst> aha 01:19:48 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-451-gaf442a0 (34) 01:24:14 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: Op or Dr or Fe ? 01:24:14 dr 01:32:45 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:47 well i might submit a patch to flatten temple weights 01:37:18 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:37:22 regret-index: any desire to help rework certain temple vaults that have too few altars these days? (I don't know if any such maps exist or what the threshold should be) 01:37:58 <|amethyst> JStrange: that's very strange, that file works for me 01:38:18 no errors? 01:39:14 <|amethyst> JStrange: I get errors about the HDA stuff since I don't have those 01:39:24 <|amethyst> but the ř and ž bindings work for me 01:39:25 <|amethyst> hm 01:39:40 that's really weird 01:40:10 <|amethyst> and utf8towc there wouldn't be using your locale 01:41:00 <|amethyst> double check the crawl version 01:42:48 http://i.imgur.com/aJtTKd4.jpg 01:42:54 the version should be correct 01:43:26 <|amethyst> yeah, that looks right 01:43:28 <|amethyst> hrm 01:44:14 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:45:14 <|amethyst> yeah, I have absolutely no idea why it's doing that 01:45:49 alright, I'll try in on Linux later and see if the problem occurs there, too 01:45:55 try it* 01:46:06 thanks for your help 01:46:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:46:35 even if the init file binding method doesn't work I can still use it via macros, so it's all cool 01:50:16 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-452-g66803c5: Ensure even Op/Dr/Fe EEs get stones in slot b (ProzacElf) 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/66803c54729e 01:50:16 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-453-g7eaa1ff: Don't bother moving slot b for throwing AM. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7eaa1ff9ea7e 01:51:07 lol 01:53:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 01:55:17 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-451-gaf442a0 01:55:31 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:57:01 -!- lordfrikk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:03 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:59:12 -!- JStrange has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:32 thank goodness speedrun_rest.lua has good swing slot detection now 02:01:43 no more poor musu having to move their book of calling to slot c 02:02:23 of course I need to implement autodetecting the slowest swinging item and just use that 02:02:53 <|amethyst> that's why you have to kill sigmund 02:02:57 heh 02:03:15 alas he's dangerous to take on most times 02:03:24 but it's true he has an excellent breadswinging item 02:03:30 even if it's not made of wheat 02:03:37 good for harvesting wheat, at least 02:04:04 <|amethyst> +1 dire flail "meat thresher" 02:04:47 <|amethyst> I guess you need a better enchantment than that to effectively thresh meat 02:05:19 <|amethyst> special ability is that it does the disintegrate chunk think whenever you kill a monster with it 02:05:24 <|amethyst> thing 02:05:50 <|amethyst> it's much more effective at chunk farming than normal weapons 02:07:05 <|amethyst> on-wield message "It's time to separate the meat from the chaff!" 02:09:23 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-453-g7eaa1ff (34) 02:12:53 |amethyst: can it also give the chunks returning ego that triggers with 100% success? 02:13:04 maybe it even has a special meat sack attached to it 02:13:19 all the meat is caught into the meat sack, which has a special inventory slot 02:13:45 maybe better yet it just goes right into your mouth, the meat 02:15:05 yes, the game needs better meat-delivery systems 02:16:48 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:25:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:30 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:23 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:24 The build has errored. (bee-priestess - bc87167 #5717 : regret-index): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/134346352 02:29:24 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:33:00 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:33:05 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:39:23 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:40:37 <|amethyst> gammafunk: a - a +6 drinking straw (weapon) 02:44:27 double damage versus shake monsters 02:44:54 ??sid vicious 02:44:54 I don't have a page labeled sid_vicious in my learndb. 02:45:14 there's a sid vicious in monspeak.txt 02:46:23 oh, that's a comment, nvm 02:53:57 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-453-g7eaa1ff 02:56:37 -!- hellmonk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:57:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 46.0.1/20160502172042]] 02:57:46 so are we removing beogh in favor of hep 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:14 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:49 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:12:46 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:16:51 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:16:52 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:19:04 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:23:23 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.19-a0-453-g7eaa1ff (34) 03:25:03 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:32:51 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:33:06 -!- bgiannan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 03:33:13 New branch created: pull/287 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/287 03:33:13 03fixit_friend02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/287 * 0.19-a0-454-g68bfe44: add some speech lines 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 24+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/68bfe44f2778 03:33:36 -!- Laptop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:40:17 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:01 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 03:41:23 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 03:53:17 -!- olscumpy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:55:41 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:42 The build has errored. 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(#285) 10(8 seconds ago, 1 file, 24+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/75e07853774d 08:03:01 -!- JStrange_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:43 Area spells default target broken 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10467 by nubinia 08:06:38 -!- JStrange has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:13:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:22:02 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:23:13 -!- Woasha has quit [Client Quit] 08:40:13 -!- Yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:42:24 -!- SurpriseTRex__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49:16 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:17 The build passed. (master - 75e0785 #5721 : Alex Jurkiewicz): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/134426470 08:49:17 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 08:54:11 -!- Amphouse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:58:00 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:58:23 <|amethyst> tavern estimates about half a day of work for one person to convert Crawl to a real-time game 08:59:45 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:16 sounds reasonable 09:00:56 huh 09:01:05 does cancellation get rid of your stored delayed fireball? 09:01:18 if not i can't think of any other reason it would have gone away 09:01:40 <|amethyst> it does 09:02:03 ah 09:02:07 fair enough 09:04:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:04:34 -!- JStrange has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:36 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:07:31 -!- JStrange_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:09:24 |amethyst: somehow implement a loop that auto-presses the wait key every 2 seconds of no input 09:09:26 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-454-g75e0785 (34) 09:13:59 -!- Doll has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:16:49 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 09:18:04 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:18:11 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 09:20:19 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:01 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:21:22 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:21 -!- Rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:30:59 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:41 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:40:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:44:06 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:27 -!- syllogism has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:52:37 -!- maxonian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:54:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:07 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:17:47 -!- Dracunos-m has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:19:33 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:20 -!- PoisonMushroom has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:28:07 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:08 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:35:56 -!- Dalwyn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:41:27 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:42:16 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:25 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:29 -!- Woasha has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:10:45 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14:04 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15:45 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:24:32 -!- hong has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:41 hello 11:25:23 i have two question need your help! 11:25:50 what are they? 11:25:52 if can i use termcast.shalott.org site about cwz's ttyrec file 11:26:09 what is correct path ttyrec folder 11:26:43 or Is exist another configuration way? 11:26:47 -!- JStrange has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:27:10 that's...stuff even I don't know actually 11:27:46 okey. thank 11:27:49 then next questions 11:28:05 do you know jettyplay.jar? 11:28:40 no, never heard of it 11:28:46 sorry for not being of much help 11:28:57 oh sorry to 11:29:02 (stay in the chat and hopefully someone more helpful will arrive soon) 11:29:14 could also try the regular ##crawl channel 11:29:49 what is difference ##crawl or this 11:30:46 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:31:10 ##crawl-dev is where the devs usually are 11:31:16 ##crawl is where the players tend to be 11:31:49 oh 11:32:09 i will going to there 11:33:06 just as a warning, the chat seems to be slow in general right now; if you can't get any help now, try again in an hour or two 11:34:28 oh i know this. ha ha. i will just opend this tab and doing another work. or sleep 11:35:06 k 11:37:03 ##crawl will probably not be helpful for the ttyrec question; unfortunately I don't think many people other than |amethyst can help with that currently, unless it's in the dev wiki somewhere 11:40:48 -!- Kenran has quit [Client Quit] 11:44:23 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:38 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:53:50 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:28 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:37 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:11:38 -!- nezrel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:37 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:00 -!- lukano has quit [Quit: brb] 12:17:17 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:18:28 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:18:43 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:34 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:25 Note on new green circles for friendlies: you can hardly notice this circle around wyvern. 12:28:40 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:29:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:31:33 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:49 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:33:59 !lg -tv 12:33:59 No games for -tv. 12:34:04 !lg 12:34:05 2840. hong the Nimble (L10 OpCK of Hepliaklqana), mangled by a hill giant (a +0 giant club) on D:8 on 2016-05-31 03:33:09, with 3724 points after 7544 turns and 0:17:46. 12:34:37 !lg hong -tv 12:34:38 2840. hong, XL10 OpCK, T:7544 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:37:02 !lg hong -tv 12:37:02 2840. hong, XL10 OpCK, T:7544 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:37:58 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:38:05 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:49 !tell ontoclasm ' Note on new green circles for friendlies: you can hardly notice this circle around wyvern.' 12:38:49 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 12:43:10 Btw, how about eating mutagenic chunks from the ground? One still has to pick up them to eat. 12:44:25 a reasonable FR 12:45:34 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:45:51 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:46:04 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 12:49:37 -!- lukano has quit [Quit: brb] 12:49:49 the best bugs are the one that require a net line loss to fix 12:50:02 03wheals02 07* 0.19-a0-455-gce57c30: Check that the explosion target is actually valid (#10467). 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ce57c302253b 12:52:47 nice 12:52:53 was worried that one might be mine somehow 12:57:28 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:25 "So I decided to do trunk zig sprint and this thing decided to appear in one of the fixedart piles." http://puu.sh/pbHl7/500b56b00a.png 13:00:26 pleasingfungussssssss 13:00:30 greetings 13:01:51 not trivially reproducible 13:02:05 gotta be shillyshalleagh, right? 13:02:31 presumably the level already generated the unrand in another room before devasator? 13:02:38 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:40 huh 13:02:46 hadn't considered that possibility 13:03:14 hrm 13:03:39 &% devasatator after it's already generated just gave me a crash on trying to identify the runed club 13:03:46 yep 13:03:52 since it has a brand for which there's no tile 13:04:42 -!- jinn has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:40 -!- olscumpy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:33 -!- jinn has left ##crawl-dev 13:07:45 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:08:20 -!- regret-index has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:08:41 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:00 surely there should be an emergency case for that 13:09:27 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-455-gce57c30 (34) 13:09:50 -!- lukano has quit [Quit: brb again] 13:12:57 i can see it being reasonable to crash there 13:13:01 not the root problem, in any case 13:13:07 yeah 13:18:28 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:19:38 has the increase in god count made d:1-3 altars more common? certainly more are taken these days, that could also be a change in player habit 13:19:49 !lm * god.worship s=cv o=cv / place~~d:[1-3] 13:20:00 probably 13:20:11 need bigger temple vaults 13:20:13 370826/1140624 milestones for * (god.worship): 4656/12476x 0.19-a [37.32%], 11778/28717x 0.18 [41.01%], 43732/113741x 0.18-a [38.45%], 33214/81085x 0.17 [40.96%], 50293/129015x 0.17-a [38.98%], 23311/63774x 0.16 [36.55%], 26471/79841x 0.16-a [33.15%], 16242/48581x 0.15 [33.43%], 19914/61769x 0.15-a [32.24%], 8697/31339x 0.14 [27.75%], 22304/76592x 0.14-a [29.12%], 7684/26968x 0.13 [28.49%], 15139/... 13:20:43 in 0.5 it was at 3.42% 13:21:14 players have gotten better, clearly 13:23:29 -!- Kenran has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:41 rchandra: 0.5 didn't have overflows iirc 13:23:59 there were a few altar vaults, but temple always had all the altars 13:24:08 ah, that explains the big jump (15% for 0.6) 13:24:44 then a more gradual increase to present's 35-40% 13:25:33 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-456-gb74f522: Fix unrand fallback for Devastator 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b74f522642e2 13:25:38 -!- ZiBuDo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:22 i suspect some of that is the conventional wisdom becoming that you should take one of the first altars you see 13:27:36 yeah 13:29:04 I think smaller temples are also more common too (in addition to there being more gods total) 13:29:17 not sure exactly when that changed or how it works 13:29:19 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.19-a0-455-gce57c30 (34) 13:29:41 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-457-gbba3dae: Fix species_mock for dracs of colour (rchandra) 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bba3daeb0fe7 13:29:47 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:29:47 walkerboh's hyper account has the restriction that it takes the first god, always - only reached temple once in 56 gods, and that back in 0.12 13:32:46 -!- Kenran has quit [Client Quit] 13:32:47 !tell gammafunk from floodkiller: http://pastebin.com/TSFwz8Gi wrt server auth stuff 13:32:48 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 13:32:56 !tell |amethyst from floodkiller: http://pastebin.com/TSFwz8Gi wrt server auth stuff 13:32:57 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 13:33:39 -!- lukano has quit [Quit: again brb] 13:33:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:38:00 "link account" will need to be (b) or both 13:38:38 i'm scared of words and reading so i haven't gone through it yet 13:38:48 but people were asking what floodkiller was up to 13:39:28 ah, he had two methods for linking accounts - (a) required webtiles login, which won't work for CDO and is a nuisance for console players 13:40:04 the rcfile check (similar to tournaments) works for both types 13:42:06 reasonable! 13:43:04 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:34 @??black mamba 13:47:34 black mamba (02S) | Spd: 18 | HD: 7 | HP: 33-45 | AC/EV: 4/15 | Dam: 2008(poison:14-28) | cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(20), 03poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 457 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 13:47:49 Why not make temples bigger in advance to reserve space for future gods? I think there will be nothing wrong if some altars occur twice in the Temple. 13:48:16 waffling on meliai now that they're done- there's a lot of fast swarming monsters around now, and "Lair vault / late D black mamba with 0.6x health + poison moved to a second 10 damage hit + smiting + queen bee berserk possibilities" is pushing it regardless of how the flavour works mythologically or whimsically 13:49:02 ...next project is temple god averages, huh 13:49:20 it's the talk of the moment! 13:50:03 Yermak: the underlying assumption there is that we're gonna keep increasing the # of gods. 13:50:55 grunt's not really around anymore, which cuts the new god rate in half at least :P 13:51:56 also: 13:51:58 ??missing gods 13:51:58 missing gods[1/1]: IW 13:52:20 when we run out of letters, old gods will be revamped instead 13:52:28 finally, changes to... sif 13:52:38 that's probably not gonna require more altars in Temple, though :P 13:55:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:55:42 -!- dalwyn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:56:43 I understand that the desired goal is 27 gods. And some of the temlpes were supposed to have all the gods with few exceptions like Jyiva, Beogh, Lugonu (are there any other?). Why not make such temples have 24 altars? And while there are not enough gods to fill them all, some altars could be duplicate. 13:57:03 i don't think that's the goal 13:57:04 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:57:14 !messages 13:57:14 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (1h 18m 25s ago): ' Note on new green circles for friendlies: you can hardly notice this circle around wyvern.' 13:57:43 welp, time to redraw wyverns 13:59:23 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:11 @??wyvern 14:00:11 wyvern (09l) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 22-33 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 20 | fly | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 206 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:00:19 l? 14:00:30 huh 14:01:20 they're basically buffed newts 14:01:49 but they can't swim! 14:01:55 what a horrible nerf 14:02:02 they fly, that's like buffed swimming 14:02:13 buffed clinging 14:02:19 sure 14:02:33 no that's geckos 14:03:27 giant newt (03l) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 1 | HP: 1-3 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 3 | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 12drown | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 14:03:27 %??giant newt 14:03:29 giant gecko (08l) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-7 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 5 | cold-blooded | XP: 3 | Sz: little | Int: animal. 14:03:29 %??giant gecko 14:03:39 i guess they're more like geckoes anyway since they're fast 14:04:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:07:04 27 gods is the limit! 14:07:26 imo in 0.19 we should remove like 3 gods >.> 14:07:48 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:08:12 like dpeg, let's be radical. start by removing trog 14:08:33 -!- Yermak has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:45 nobody wants to consolidate 14:08:58 rip crawl 14:09:02 combine oka and trog 14:09:06 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 14:09:23 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-457-gbba3dae (34) 14:10:20 if you combine zin and ash, do you get a god of bindage and discipline? 14:10:25 *bondage 14:11:26 # Following Oka by itself gets repetitive, so does Makh. What if we combine them?... 14:13:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:13:22 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:13:58 OMakhRog? 14:13:59 !lg * cv>=0.18 place=Lair:8 kmap!~uniq s=kmap 14:14:00 558 games for * (cv>=0.18 place=Lair:8 kmap!~uniq): 276x, 44x evil_forest, 31x evilmike_catoblepas_cave, 31x hangedman_lair_tendril_chambers, 27x hangedman_lair_in_review, 26x minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest, 22x wormcave, 22x grunt_lair_end_beastmaster, 21x guppyfry_lair_end_dragon, 15x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond, 10x hangedman_lair_caniforms_friends, 6x slime_altar_2, 5x special_room; special_ro... 14:14:35 still at the bottom 14:15:17 just put new gods on the rest of the numbers. it will work perfectly for my plans to introduce 2tankhamun 14:16:07 if we were going to have a 2 god, i'd want it to be some kind of dual god, Foo and Bar 14:16:07 except probably not called exactly that 14:16:16 http://comicsalliance.com/files/2010/11/2tank.jpg 14:16:23 dooroklohe 14:17:13 -!- breadbocks has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:16 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:43 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:22:58 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:29 eronarn's door god idea was two gods 14:27:10 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:48 ??wyvern 14:28:48 wyvern[1/1]: Fast flying {yak}. 14:28:48 -!- Poncheis has quit [Client Quit] 14:30:26 surely a terrible example, wyverns don't come in bands at all 14:32:34 -!- Laptop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:34:12 @??hound 14:34:12 hound (08h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 3 | HP: 14-19 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 6 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(10), 08blind | XP: 42 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 14:34:18 @??wyvern 14:34:18 wyvern (09l) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 22-33 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 20 | fly | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 206 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:34:53 clearly they're jsut big flying hounds 14:35:33 @??yak 14:35:33 yak (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 33-45 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 204 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:36:01 -!- JimmahDean has quit [] 14:36:59 @??crocodile 14:36:59 crocodile (07t) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 5 | HP: 22-33 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 20 | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(20), 12drown | XP: 105 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:37:34 wow, very close 14:38:57 lair has a lot of pretty redundant monsters 14:39:06 @??elephant 14:39:06 elephant (03Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 56-79 | AC/EV: 8/2 | Dam: 2007(trample), 5 | Res: 06magic(60), 12drown | XP: 481 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 14:39:13 @??death yak 14:39:13 death yak (08Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-89 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30 | Res: 06magic(100) | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 873 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 14:43:22 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:44:03 still, there's _some_ appreciable difference and flavouring, whereas the only thing that prevents me from folding crocodile appearances into wyverns is the former's sewer appearances :P 14:47:02 regret-index: btw, i had an actual serious FR 14:47:33 ? 14:48:00 an ai command that is "follow when no enemies are in view; otherwise wait" 14:48:27 as is i find myself pressing tw -> let my guys kill stuff -> tf 14:48:29 all the time 14:48:49 "fire at will" 14:48:52 possibly reasonable but beyond my purview :P 14:48:57 amalloy: yes 14:49:04 ah 14:49:06 hong: hi, are you there? 14:49:06 gammafunk: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:49:15 i don't really understand why that's not the default friendly-ai behaviour 14:49:18 i mean, if that existed, i would set it to that and then basically never press t 14:49:36 since 95% of the time that's what i want them doing 14:52:08 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52:19 elephants are very noticably harder to kill than yaks 14:52:57 Lightli: i compared them to death yaks 14:53:19 oh in that case yeah they're ridiculously similar 14:53:20 death yaks are very-slightly-more powerful elephants 14:53:30 trampling is scary though 14:53:32 but without trample 14:53:37 but also with much more MR 14:53:48 yeah idk what the heck is up with the mr 14:53:50 really? elephant/dyak have similar MR i thought 14:53:55 @??death yak 14:53:55 death yak (08Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-89 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30 | Res: 06magic(100) | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 873 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 14:53:57 @??elephant 14:53:57 elephant (03Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 56-79 | AC/EV: 8/2 | Dam: 2007(trample), 5 | Res: 06magic(60), 12drown | XP: 481 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 14:54:00 no they have a lot more mr 14:54:03 thanks, hd 14:54:05 DYs have 14 hd because ___ 14:54:14 because they're death yaks! 14:54:17 accuracy 14:54:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:54:33 shapeshifter cantrip 14:54:36 see: why the Lernaean Hydra is HD 30 14:56:13 delephyak (Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-89 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30(trample) | Red: magic(100) | Chunks : noxious | XP: 873 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 14:56:21 problem solved 14:56:52 not exactly 14:57:01 the issue is placement 14:57:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57:18 all those vaults 14:57:22 not sure what you mean 14:57:28 monsters have to place 14:57:36 so elephants have level placement, vault placement 14:57:41 they appear in the same areas 14:57:41 likewise death yaks 14:57:49 those placements aren't the same 14:57:52 maybe like a floor apart 14:58:04 how accurate do you think that statement is? 14:58:05 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-pick-data.h;#l219 14:58:11 pretty accurate 14:58:18 well you'd be wrong 14:58:20 i would say L:5-8 for both 14:58:42 ??objstat[2] 14:58:42 objstat[2/2]: Latest spreadsheets for past releases and trunk (0.18-a0-1324-g13589fb): https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 14:58:52 what quantities etc 14:59:17 -!- glaas has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 14:59:19 you could merge them but it'd be a question of making a placement that would have what desired level of balance 14:59:31 my point is that it's not merely as simple as "replace these monster stats" 14:59:35 ...yes, you have to write a new placement line 14:59:39 ...no 14:59:57 you have to write a new placement line and modify like many vaults, including branch ends 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:14 since 1 elephant != 1 delephant 15:00:36 it sort of is 15:00:43 slightly more powerful but not a lot 15:01:07 * regret-index rolls her eyes. 15:01:09 -!- regret-index has left ##crawl-dev 15:01:16 okay, jeez 15:01:16 it's significant enough; at a bare minimum death yaks are not very hexable 15:01:29 it's not just a "slap it on there" type change 15:01:52 well, if you say so; it certainly seems like it to me 15:02:00 elephants have stuff like the elephant graveyard vault 15:02:01 yeah I can't see how you think it would be 15:02:07 but death yaks are kind of iconic lair enemies 15:02:07 but difference of opinion I guess! 15:02:13 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:34 because in my experience the two monsters are basically indistinguishable aside from trample 15:02:41 that is not my experience 15:02:45 yeah no 15:02:58 elephants trample, death yaks basically laugh off MR checking spells 15:04:05 i guess those facets don't make a whole lot of difference in my eyes 15:04:23 it's like having two monsters who differ only in that one of them flies 15:04:34 I'd say combine them into death elephants, but dire elephants already exist 15:04:43 or has SInv 15:04:56 @??quoka 15:04:56 unknown monster: "quoka" 15:05:09 i.e. i'm sure it matters occasionally, but not enough that, imo, it warrants having both 15:06:30 which one would you remove 15:07:12 personally? i'd remove death yaks and buff elephants a little 15:07:24 MR/trample are a bigger deal than those things by a signficant degree, but I'm not saying you can't merge, just that you'd want to take a look at any vault placing either and say "will this be ridiculous" 15:07:35