00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:28 i guess i should have !tell him 00:00:35 oh well he'll get around to it sometime 00:00:50 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:02 he probably will 00:01:22 <|amethyst> you might have those commits out of order 00:01:40 <|amethyst> oh 00:01:41 <|amethyst> never mind 00:02:32 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:46 with elf's buffs pushing it later and later in whatever orders one chooses, does it still make sense to keep hard ice caves in elf? 00:03:45 elf got buffed? 00:04:11 I was about to say, I've been going there earlier... 00:04:11 swol-ass elves 00:05:12 ??order 00:05:12 hyperelliptic[1/1]: Lair -> D:12 -> Orc -> D:15 -> S:3 -> maybe other S:3 -> get rune -> Vaults:4 -> maybe get second rune -> Depths:5 -> get three runes -> Zot 00:05:28 probably after v:4 00:05:39 that's when I do it, at least 00:05:40 according to The Rules, don't go to elf. 00:05:49 well it is optional! 00:05:55 I've done games without elf for sure 00:06:14 hypertrapezoid has spoken. no rule breaking! 00:06:24 uh 00:06:46 I guess the elemental filler is probably comparable with old mages / fighter / priests, but there's still non-vault dancing weapons and archers 00:07:17 !lm . br.enter=elf t s=xl 00:07:18 5 milestones for elliptic (br.enter=elf t): 26, 23, 15, 16, 20 00:07:30 I actually prefer dealing with deep elf master archers over deep elf archers 00:07:31 wow that's fairly late 00:07:38 also, would someone accept https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/269 00:07:44 !lm . br.enter=elf !gfspeed t s=xl 00:07:45 6 milestones for gammafunk (br.enter=elf !gfspeed t): 2x 22, 20, 16, 18, 21 00:07:53 guess not super different actually 00:07:56 !lg gammafunk t hesu 00:07:57 No games for gammafunk (t hesu). 00:08:01 !!! it was a nchoice 00:08:15 lightli: they got nerfed 00:08:20 had a desu speedrun going, and I left it up to a worthy player to win one 00:08:22 yes, I had to win it in place of gammafunk 00:08:23 no more in-melee firing 00:08:25 ... 00:08:38 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:09:05 yyyup, that means they just punch people now 00:09:06 <|amethyst> chequers: I see one problem 00:09:10 good job pf :P 00:09:23 wham, pow. 00:09:31 regret-index, there's some incentive to go to elf somewhat early for weapons so maybe at least those players will be challenged by/want to do ice caves 00:09:51 that's a weird way to spell buckler 00:09:55 <|amethyst> chequers: "possesses the following sets of divine abilities" should probably be "possesses the following divine abilities" 00:09:57 doing elf:1-2 around the same time as lair branches is pretty reasonable on a bunch of chars 00:10:07 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:08 !lm * !boring br.enter=elf cv>=0.17-a s=regexp_replace(cv, "([0-9.]+)(-a)?", "\1") / lg:br=elf o=regexp_replace(cv, "([0-9.]+)(-a)?", "\1") 00:10:11 5638/35572 milestones for * (!boring br.enter=elf cv>=0.17-a): 81/480x 0.19 [16.88%], 2243/13654x 0.18 [16.43%], 3314/21438x 0.17 [15.46%] 00:10:18 keeping ice caves there it is 00:10:41 <|amethyst> chequers: maybe num_books > 1 ? "one of the following sets of" : "the following" 00:10:45 wish there was a mcv field or something 00:11:11 ??objstat 00:11:11 objstat[1/2]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a build of crawl with EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L=-DDEBUG_STATISTICS in your make command (or full debug with "make debug") to generate item/monsters statistics. See crawl -help for the argument details. 00:11:16 ??objstat[2] 00:11:16 objstat[2/2]: Latest spreadsheets for past releases and trunk (0.18-a0-1324-g13589fb): https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 00:11:31 I haven't run 0.18 stable yet, so that has a 0.18-a 00:11:51 gnu parallel didn't like my suspending the job on my laptop for some reason 00:11:51 christ, i forgot how whiny gdd was 00:11:59 remind me to not click on a gdd thread again 00:12:10 don't click on an SA thread again, PleasingFungus 00:12:24 there are people on sa who know how to make jokes 00:12:28 like, plural people 00:12:35 possibly three or more 00:12:37 hmm, 13 knights, 1/3 chances for bucklers each I guess 00:13:14 there's a table showing items generated as well 00:13:30 I've been in a buckler glut recently... 00:13:33 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.19-a0-188-ga21aea4 (34) 00:15:45 |amethyst: thanks 00:15:59 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:16:32 03Sandman25DCSS02 07* 0.19-a0-149-g487caf0: Update items.cc 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/487caf040d5b 00:16:32 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-190-g17c568c: Merge pull request #270 from Sandman25DCSS/patch-1 10(5 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/17c568c99818 00:16:55 hrm, that committer name seems wrong 00:17:18 <|amethyst> chequers: btw, does that wrap in terminal? 00:17:53 <|amethyst> chequers: because "possesses one of the following sets of divine abilities (which may be affected by silence)" is pretty long :) 00:18:16 |amethyst: it does 00:18:19 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/dollrobes.png 00:18:20 <|amethyst> cool 00:18:27 how's that look 00:18:28 lemme check 00:18:55 i feel that's sort of dressy/nightgowny 00:19:04 -!- Dracunos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:19:06 mm 00:19:24 what makes robes different from dresses, i guess xD 00:19:33 i guess it's going for a sort of ancient greek thing? 00:19:33 !seen mattias 00:19:33 I last saw Mattias at Fri May 20 11:20:02 2016 UTC (2d 16h 59m 31s ago) saying 'Just tried OneDeckDungeon. Awesome crawler :D' on ##crawl. 00:20:05 good question 00:20:17 anyone else check out the ansible webtiles server that mattias is working on? 00:20:56 I've been just giving various pointers, but no I haven't tried 00:21:52 my concern was his automating things that are very "official server" specific but it wasn't clear he was really targetting crawl admins as a user base 00:22:04 guess it would have to be a "try it and see what the issues are" thing 00:22:22 that's my plan. iterate towards something admins can use 00:23:12 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:23:27 I'm still not convinced it will work well for that, but mattias has been promising that Everything will work 00:23:48 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/spells.txt;#l1112 00:23:57 -!- eliot_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:24:21 |amethyst: actually there's no such things as sets except for spellbooks 00:24:28 |amethyst: the whole thing was a red herring I didn't factor out 00:24:37 ontoclasm: probably some kind of belt/sash thing would help 00:25:00 you know, like fancy wizard bling 00:25:04 fwiw regarding the ansible, I'm going to try it for CPO 00:25:12 i've been meaning to migrate hosts anyway 00:25:35 yeah, I think his stuff is very dgl-based 00:25:46 I just have to wonder if all the "mention antimagic and silence in for all monsters with invocations / abilities" can't be better specifically calrified in the descriptions for both 00:26:30 in the description for anti-magic brand, and silence spell/scroll? 00:27:24 in principle, i think it's reasonable to have duplicate info, for the sake of learning & reminder. in this case, i do worry about clutter 00:27:47 gammafunk: yeah, probably 00:27:59 in descriptions fo antimagic and silence, yeah 00:28:06 It disrupts the flow of magical energy around spellcasters and magical creatures (including the wielder), although creatures with innate abilities or divine invocations will not be affected." 00:28:18 -(creatures with) 00:28:27 hm 00:28:38 so a monster with innate abilities and wizard spells won't be affected by antimagic 00:28:49 in crawl code there's a clear distinction between "magical creatures" and "innate abilities" but I'm not sure it's clear to players 00:28:53 I'd like to complain about this orc 1 vault 00:28:56 PleasingFungus: hence my edit 00:29:07 i had to fly over to get here and now there's no way out 00:29:09 <|amethyst> the difference isn't about the creature 00:29:11 "although innate abilities and divine -(creatures with)" 00:29:14 <|amethyst> it's about the specific abilities 00:29:24 i had no idea what -(creatures with) meant 00:29:33 clearly should've used the traditional regex syntax 00:29:34 yeah, i figured 00:29:43 irc-hybrid-pcre 00:29:46 Rast--: screenshot? 00:30:14 chequers, yea I want to move to something newer than 12.04 00:30:17 !locate rast 00:30:18 rast was last seen on CAO (rast, L13 HaAE of Okawaru). 00:30:31 anyway, I think the description could do more to differentiate magical spells from innate spells 00:30:32 http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-rast 00:31:00 i wonder if that's a pool fixup issue 00:31:01 also thinking of moving to seattle. if cszo-nouveau comes back, that will give us all 4 corners of the US covered 00:31:01 hm 00:31:09 regret-index: lend us your vaulty aid 00:31:15 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:31:17 im OK with having to fly in, I guess 00:31:28 could use a hatch, yeah 00:31:28 but give me a hatch down you know 00:31:31 ya 00:31:31 hm, that vault is ancient 00:31:36 "It disrupts the flow of magical energy around both spellcasters and the wielder, although natural abilities and divine invocations will not be affected." 00:31:40 elliptic: what is it? 00:32:02 I don't remember the name at the moment 00:32:02 chequers: I might suggest "wielder. Natural abilities" 00:32:03 !vault giant_chief_lemuel 00:32:04 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/large_themed.des#l175 00:32:12 <|amethyst> hm 00:32:13 thus not implying that natural abilities are magical 00:32:16 but I think I got that vault in my very first game to enter Orc 00:32:17 PleasingFungus: better 00:32:19 <|amethyst> but that leaves magical abilities unspecified 00:32:25 elliptic, does it date back to when crawl philosophy was a little less gentle? 00:32:36 it dates back to flight spell :P 00:32:39 after all, i did choose to fly in knowing I had no way to fly out 00:32:59 oh hey it does have a hatch 00:33:00 ... 00:33:02 up :P 00:33:04 another case of "hatches up should turn into hatches down hen up-hatch is illegal" 00:33:05 |amethyst: i think it's specified by exclusion, "everything that's not natural abilities and invocations" 00:33:17 regret-index, a hatch up? 00:33:20 ah ok 00:33:24 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/206 00:33:39 <|amethyst> It reduces the magical energy of the wielder, and disrupts the spells and magical abilities of those hit. Natural abilities and divine invocations are not affected." 00:33:43 i implemented that at some point but i guess it never got in because of like...weird corner cases in some branches 00:33:48 the problem is thus just orc:1 00:33:54 currently 00:34:15 |amethyst: I am not against that, but I'm worried now you have to explain the difference betwen magical and natural "abilities" 00:34:41 ok this is awful 00:34:48 %git e34a8034242b180bb7108c9cab43c496c3354345 00:34:48 07amalloy02 * 0.18-a0-989-ge34a803: Make sure vault-produced escape hatches aren't erased 10(5 months ago, 3 files, 88+ 79-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e34a8034242b 00:34:50 teleport landed me in an area with no hatches in or out 00:34:50 I mean, the distinction does exist in crawl, so perhaps it's just an inevitability 00:34:52 I'll do a quick sweep of... three vault fixes?... when I'm done this ice cave work 00:35:01 <|amethyst> chequers: One is listed as a "magic ability" in xv, the other as a "special ability" 00:35:09 oh wow what 00:35:12 does this fix just not work? 00:35:14 no joke 00:35:16 same link 00:35:39 <|amethyst> chequers: I think "special ability" should be more explicitly "natural ability" instead though 00:35:53 randomized big sweeping walls, I guess 00:36:24 gammafunk: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/dollrobes.png 00:36:30 |amethyst: sounds good 00:36:31 does that help? 00:36:42 (the red one) 00:37:52 |amethyst: imo pick a word for each type of spell and stick to them 00:38:02 arcane, demonic, divine, natural 00:38:14 then you can go: it disrupts arcane and demonic spells 00:38:19 ontoclasm: yeah that will probably help 00:38:43 not that demonic spells still exist, but 00:39:26 hm. |amethyst, do you remember when i was working on e34a8034242b180bb7108c9cab43c496c3354345? it should have fixed the issue Rast-- ran into, but it looks like that doesn't work 00:39:28 <|amethyst> we're close to that, except for natural/special 00:39:29 Remind me, how do I a make a save file so server admin has access? 00:40:02 because this is hilariously bad 00:40:17 for silence, "Innate natural or magical abilities (as opposed to spells) - such as those used by demons - will still be effective while silenced." 00:40:53 previously: "Certain monsters have innate magical or special abilities which will still be usable while silenced." 00:41:10 also, +1 for ontoclasm's suggestion and specific words 00:41:24 I really reallllly dislike the use of "magical" in crawl's context to mean "basically demonic" 00:41:32 <|amethyst> ? 00:41:41 <|amethyst> what do you mean "basically demonic" 00:41:56 "mostly used by spells in demon spellbooks" 00:41:59 I guess 00:42:40 gammafunk, I'll work on some neato post-tourney charts 00:42:49 unless someone is already working that 00:42:50 demonic orbs of fire 00:43:35 demonic organelles? demonic angels? demonic constructs? this doesn't really follow through 00:43:37 "eldritch" then 00:43:40 johnstein: yeah, I was sort of just helping for t on the side, like e.lliptic 00:43:48 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:54 I'm not sure about the tourney post; maybe I'll just make one when you finish some stats though 00:44:01 or some similar word that means "weird" 00:44:18 "extra dangerous spells" basically 00:44:22 it's easy to use the previous one I made as a template, and just point out the cool things, like demise's run and of course the highlight of the tournament 00:44:26 extra dangerous blink frogs 00:44:33 <|amethyst> electric golems, orbs of fire, prince ribbit, orb spider, basilisk, raiju, thorn hunter, vault warden, flayed ghost, phantasmal warrior, eyes, wisps, deathcaps, statues, wellspring 00:44:44 which was gamamfunk's 3rd-lowest-xl rune 00:44:49 <|amethyst> and I think I missed a few 00:45:02 "supernal" 00:45:28 a few of those should just be normal spells, IMO 00:46:16 a few more could be natural, like all the eyeballs and blinkers 00:47:56 spell, eldritch spell, divine invocation, natural ability 00:47:59 -!- destrovel has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:48:34 man, some very confused peaceful thorn hunter is making briars 00:49:05 ??save backup 00:49:05 save backup[1/1]: To get a Save backup, you have to log-ing via SSH (console), then select (T)runk -> (A)dvanced -> (B)ackup -> (N)ormal . This will give you a link that will allow developers to get a copy of your save and help find bugs. 00:49:07 and helpfully trapping monsters for me 00:49:08 Rast--: ^ 00:49:27 I'm not on trunk :P 00:49:37 it might work anyway, depending on your server 00:49:49 i think you just enter the correct version instead of trunk 00:50:00 ah yes 00:50:01 Ty 00:51:28 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 46.0.1/20160502172042]] 00:52:36 Orc:1 has areas with no escape 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10438 by Rast 00:52:52 er, actually 00:53:07 !tell amalloy https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/206 you should probably merge or delete this... 00:53:07 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let amalloy know. 00:54:21 oh 00:54:21 amalloy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:54:29 so the problem is it was never merged 00:54:39 :) 00:55:13 i'll confirm that it still works and fixed the problem, then merge it 00:55:27 A permanent, pre-spotted tele trap would be OK too 00:55:32 though perhaps a bit generous 00:56:04 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-191-g419341d: Call natural abilities "natural", not "special". 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/419341d0bb02 00:57:32 |amethyst: hopefully better now 00:57:44 ah ha nice timing. wonder if it still merges 00:57:52 <|amethyst> there is also something in monster_stat_description that needs to be fixed up 00:58:03 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:38 <|amethyst> but there's the same problem you ran into, that it's a pain to figure out from a monster_info whether something has magical or natural abilities 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:16 <|amethyst> since there's not a special prop for that like is_priest or is_actual_spellcaster 01:00:48 monster_info exists so you can have a data structure that hides some info from the player, right? 01:01:16 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/269 * 0.19-a0-97-g6cda638: Update wording for non-spellbook spell listings. 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6cda638776af 01:01:16 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/269 * 0.19-a0-98-gebbf4e3: Improve the wording for anti-magic brand description. 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ebbf4e3f5349 01:01:31 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-989-ge34a803: Make sure vault-produced escape hatches aren't erased 10(5 months ago, 3 files, 88+ 79-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e34a8034242b 01:01:31 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-990-ge2fea7a: constify a bunch of locals (|amethyst) 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 15+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e2fea7a71675 01:01:31 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-991-gf442c82: Document _fixup_branch_stairs 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f442c820b57c 01:01:31 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-992-gec2f06b: For single-floor branches, replace >/< with branch exit (PleasingFungus) 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ec2f06b3bbf7 01:01:31 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-993-g3156a68: Simplify escape-feature selection (|amethyst) 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3156a6896506 01:01:31 03amalloy02 07* 0.19-a0-197-gddc32c1: Merge pull request #206 from amalloy/escape-stair-fixup 10(6 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ddc32c1f7caf 01:01:37 <|amethyst> yeah 01:01:46 merging that old PR means that problem own't happen again, Rast-- 01:02:16 thanks amalloy 01:02:27 <|amethyst> I was worried for a bit when I saw the "0.18-" 01:02:31 is the information hiding still neccessary? 01:02:32 -!- eb_ has quit [] 01:02:52 I mean, I'm not totally sure how players could get access to the info that monster_info hides 01:02:56 via lua? 01:03:34 ... 01:03:37 eurgh 01:03:50 <|amethyst> chequers: e.g. you have a monster with an enchantment in sight 01:03:57 <|amethyst> chequers: you leave LOS 01:04:18 <|amethyst> chequers: then look at it a few turns later with out of sight xv 01:04:34 <|amethyst> chequers: you should not learn from that whether the enchantment expired yet 01:04:51 <|amethyst> chequers: that is currently done by storing a monster_info in the map 01:04:52 it's kind of going against the previous points of making there be only one branch exit to make hatches branch exits 01:04:57 ah, so monster_info lets you store a "snapshot" of the monster's state 01:04:59 orc isn't a one floor branch either >_> 01:05:07 <|amethyst> chequers: you could make it the same type as a monster then strip off information 01:05:13 amalloy: want to close 10438? 01:05:19 <|amethyst> chequers: that's what we do with items (item_info is just a typedef for item_def) 01:05:24 !bug 10438 01:05:24 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10438 01:05:43 that sounds like a lot of work (turning monster_info into another type) 01:05:50 I was going to suggest something hackier :D 01:06:03 -!- knu has quit [Quit: Reboot...] 01:06:05 just put the monster into monster info, so you can go backwards to the real thing in cases like this 01:06:13 <|amethyst> chequers: or maybe you could make monster_info and monster inherit from some common base 01:06:16 <|amethyst> hmm 01:06:26 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:06:47 <|amethyst> you mean a pointer to the monster, presumably? 01:06:50 PleasingFungus: yessir, issue closed 01:07:02 <|amethyst> that might be difficult across save/restore or changing levels 01:07:13 <|amethyst> but probably would be possible 01:07:13 -!- jeefus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:17 amalloy: o/ 01:07:25 that's the second thing today someone's asked for and i've been like "oops, i did that months ago, lemme just apply it" 01:07:26 <|amethyst> you could use mid to be sure of no collisions 01:07:43 |amethyst: I defer entirely to your expertise on how to implement it. It just seemed at a high level like the simplest solution 01:07:55 <|amethyst> in any event 01:07:58 now that you've mentioned save compatibility I feel my will sapping 01:08:00 <|amethyst> it's not necessary here 01:08:01 At work, when I report issues to the devs, the time it takes for them to acknowledge that there is a bug is typically measured in weeks 01:08:12 If the bug requires a code change, the time for that is also measured in weeks 01:08:14 <|amethyst> the monster_info has a copy of the spells, right? 01:08:16 ;) 01:08:57 |amethyst: just the spells iirc 01:09:11 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-191-g419341d (34) 01:09:34 -!- DevlanMud|Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10:05 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:10:47 <|amethyst> chequers: _monster_spellbooks in describe-spells.cc lets you find all the spells a monster has of a given category 01:10:55 <|amethyst> chequers: give a monster_info 01:11:11 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:12:10 regret-index: are you objecting to my hatch fixup change? i think you might be misunderstanding what it does 01:12:25 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:32 |amethyst: so use similar code to loop through all natural spells and see if they have the NO_SILENCE flag? 01:13:04 |amethyst: put that into a function _mon_has_silenceable_natural_abilities(mi) which is used to determine whether to mention silence affects the monster's natural abilities 01:14:43 <|amethyst> chequers: hm 01:14:44 regret-index: the idea is to replace < with > on floor 1 of a branch, and vice versa at the bottom. the only issue with that arises for single-level branches, in which case we generate a second branch exit as the lesser of two evils compared to an inescapable area 01:14:53 <|amethyst> chequers: I think you can maybe do it with just get_unique_spells 01:15:13 hm 01:15:14 (really those branches shouldn't ahve vaults with escape hatches in them, but in case that *does* happen we shouldn't strand the player) 01:15:51 <|amethyst> chequers: oh, hm 01:16:14 <|amethyst> chequers: it doesn't interpret multiple flags the way you'd want :/ 01:16:22 |amethyst: any idea if naruni is satisfied with their last patch on 10317, or are they planning to do yet another revision? i saw you were talking to them earlier 01:16:38 <|amethyst> chequers: I was going to say get_unique_spells(mi, MON_SPELL_NATURAL | MON_SPELL_NO_SILENT) but that returns true if either is true 01:17:10 <|amethyst> chequers: but I guess get_unique_spells(mi, MON_SPELL_NO_SILENT) ought to work? 01:17:47 <|amethyst> chequers: (also, magical abilities, not just natural, could also be no_silent) 01:18:06 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think so for right now 01:18:07 orly 01:18:11 OK 01:18:20 shouldn't the magical abilities just be normal spells then >_> 01:18:57 hrm 01:19:02 <|amethyst> no more than the no_silent natural abilities should be divine abilitites 01:19:08 <|amethyst> s/tites/ties/ 01:19:11 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-197-gddc32c1 (34) 01:19:19 anyway, technically, there were two forms of stranding, 01:19:25 hm 01:19:26 <|amethyst> but in some cases yes 01:19:44 <|amethyst> e.g. vault warden's seal doors could just as well be a spell 01:20:00 ooh, commented out code 01:20:02 nice 01:20:05 <|amethyst> not sure how people would feel about Rupert being a caster 01:20:07 regret-index: ? 01:20:19 in rast--'s game, with the moat 01:20:31 <|amethyst> and giving geryon a normal spell might be kind of weird compared to other demons 01:20:32 fixing it at the moment 01:20:46 ??rupert 01:20:46 rupert[1/1]: Not a crusader. Will "look more energetic" 2 turns after his berserk wears off (and promptly zerk again). Spells: paralyse, confuse, berserker rage. Is generated with a good two-handed weapon. For laughs, watch: "!lg * mfre killer=rupert 1 -tv:<0.5" or "!lg * kewn killer=rupert 1 -tv:<0.5". 01:21:20 lotta scroll work left undone here. w/e tho 01:21:23 oh, something to do with teleporting into an inaccessible closet or something? 01:21:34 <|amethyst> chequers: flavour-wise, MON_SPELL_NO_SILENT means "the ability works by sound" 01:21:34 no, that was what you fixed 01:21:45 I'm fixing being stranded beyond a moat 01:21:52 i don't really know what rupert is, thematically 01:22:02 Not a crusader. 01:22:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: a guy that shouts really loud, magically 01:22:11 haha 01:22:18 |amethyst: it's the magic that confuses me 01:22:27 he can berserk. but, magically 01:22:37 <|amethyst> well, you couldn't just have him *naturally* shout so loud that he paralyses you 01:22:37 casts berserk rage 01:22:40 <|amethyst> that would be silly 01:23:13 rupert, louder than fire storms and shatter 01:23:18 hm, there doesn't seem to be any particular reason to apply this patch yet 01:23:20 since it does nothing 01:23:30 except possibly introduce bugs i haven't noticed 01:23:33 oh, just in the sense that we don't want to have the vault require flying to access at all 01:23:37 !source get_unique_spells 01:23:38 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc#l2446 01:23:54 a wolf spider (clinging, fire blocked by a translucent stone wall) Some shallow water. 01:24:06 that's not how you put a spider in a specimen jar, nicolae-!!! 01:24:15 |amethyst: clearly should take the intersection of two get_unique_spells calls 01:24:30 a wolf spider (clinging, fire blocked by a translucent stone wall) Some shallow water. a wolf spider (clinging, fire blocked by a translucent stone wall) Some shallow water. 01:24:34 get_unique_spells(mi, MON_SPELL_NO_SILENT) ^ get_unique_spells(mi, MON_SPELL_NATURAL) 01:24:35 oops 01:24:42 or whatever intersection symbol is in cpp 01:24:57 no, no, in that anybody who 01:25:02 <|amethyst> chequers: would be & if you could intersect these things 01:25:04 <|amethyst> which you cannot 01:25:06 whatever 01:25:25 haha okay, i'll leave you to it. sounds like you know what's needed and it's not terribly important that i do 01:27:00 |amethyst: get_unique_spells won't work unless it's updated to support multiple flags, if multiple categories of spells use MON_SPELL_NO_SILENT 01:27:04 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:27:19 unless you're saying we can ignore the problem since no current monsters would be affected by this bug 01:27:39 (eg no monsters with natural and magical spells, one of which is NO_SILENT) 01:28:05 <|amethyst> chequers: what about monsters with just natural spells, some but not all of which are no_silent? 01:28:06 seraph :( 01:28:16 |amethyst: punt 01:28:21 delete monster 01:28:51 <|amethyst> no_silent really needs to be handled on a spell-by-spell basis 01:29:04 i guess for now I'll leave it as is. Unless you want to mark every spell individually (and you could do this on the spell info screen, I suppose) 01:29:17 but that has its own challenges 01:31:54 <|amethyst> yeah, ignoring the no_silent flag is fine for a first version 01:34:56 <|amethyst> you could use icons per-spell, maybe ⛧ for antimagicable, ☎ for silenceable 01:35:13 <|amethyst> (okay, maybe not) 01:36:13 I wonder if autofight can now be made to not automove towards unreachable monsters 01:36:30 like monsters behind transparent rock/stone 01:36:56 what's the first emoji 01:37:24 🙉 for silence clearly 01:38:07 <|amethyst> U+26E7 INVERTED PENTAGRAM 01:38:07 🔇 01:43:45 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:43:59 -!- Idolo has quit [] 01:45:31 ...is this an abyssal rune vault on lair:7 01:47:19 okay, that just seems to be a rather corrupt wizmode save property 01:50:05 !vault erik_1 01:50:06 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#l1104 01:50:13 someone justify this to me 01:50:36 it has a good name? 01:50:41 does it? 01:51:03 i wouldn't mess with a guy called Erik 01:51:08 probably a swedish bodybuilder 01:53:08 well, you see, pleasingfungus, it contains humans and their dogs and their sheep, in a cave. 01:53:25 specifically only placing in areas where they aren't threats 01:53:35 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 01:53:49 would you be happier if i moved it earlier or if i removed it? I live only to make others happy. 01:54:02 <|amethyst> it needs more variety in the 1s 01:54:09 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:54:12 I'm right about to push a fix for three other vaults, so at the moment I'll push it up 01:54:13 |amethyst: howler monkeys 01:54:22 regret-index: excellent, tyvm! 01:54:30 <|amethyst> so that it contains several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave and grooving with a Pict 01:54:38 is this a pun 01:54:45 <|amethyst> it's a Pink Floyd song 01:54:53 i've heard of those guys. 01:55:02 humans and their dogs and their sheep and their howler monkeys and 01:55:07 regret-index: were you planning to look at the legendary minmay vault dump after t ended? 01:55:19 i could look at them. i could learn to read vaults. 01:55:21 i HAVE the power 01:55:22 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-197-gddc32c1 01:55:53 I should be drifting off asap, but I also kind of want to suggest a bunch of tweaks to a bunch of those vaults 01:56:07 drifting off in the next few days I mean 01:56:10 ahh 01:56:15 i thought you meant, now 01:56:17 to sleep 01:56:17 noo 01:56:17 caught in a bind 01:56:46 is this a christine love thing 01:56:48 probably not 01:57:13 I am sorry for ever using phrases anybody else has used 01:57:51 !vault uniq_psyche 01:57:51 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des#l218 01:58:11 -!- oxeimon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:58:11 it seemed like a reference! 01:58:38 @??sheep 01:58:39 sheep (15Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-19 | AC/EV: 2/7 | Dam: 13 | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 28 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:18 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 46.0.1/20160502172042]] 02:06:25 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:09:09 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-197-gddc32c1 (34) 02:12:46 03regret-index02 07* 0.19-a0-198-gc02d5d8: Little vault fixes 10(3 minutes ago, 4 files, 79+ 81-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c02d5d8696ec 02:13:44 tourney scoring proposal: double the points for lowest turncount win 02:14:06 people got ~200 points for a 20k turn win, and demise got ~500 points for a 40min win 02:16:26 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest81557 02:17:41 oh is it scored by time? 02:18:39 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18:51 5,000,000/turncount points for each player's fastest win (by turncount). 02:18:51 1,250,000/duration points for each player's fastest win (by realtime, measured in seconds). 02:19:07 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:19:30 it's probably pretty sensible 02:19:35 250 points for a 20k win, 350k for a 1hr win 02:19:42 I mean that win was a WR but 20k turn win isn't even remotely close 02:19:47 to a WR 3-rune win 02:19:52 i agree 02:20:05 johnstein: ansible was made for system administrators. It is meant to handle complex infrastructures to the very detail. I don't think a crawl webtiles server is a problem at all. Everything can be automated :) 02:20:05 Mattias: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 02:20:08 !messages 02:20:09 (1/2) johnstein said (1d 2h 1m 31s ago): I got an error setting up the required ansible roles. said I needed permission to update some stuff in /etc/. so I ran as sudo. is that what you'd expect? 02:20:20 !messages 02:20:21 (1/1) johnstein said (1d 1h 50m 26s ago): here's what I get when I first try $ vagrant up. http://pastebin.com/3Rz4d9Dd I haven't configured anything yet. was hoping to get the basic server running first 02:20:30 I think it would be nice to emphasize turncount victories a bit more in the scoring 02:20:52 i guess there's also: 02:20:53 well, aren't they emphasized well enough already? 02:20:53 score/120,000 points for each player's highest scoring winning game. 02:21:05 I think there's more turncount stuff than there is realtime stuff actually 02:21:30 !tell johnstein read the note, edit /etc/ansible/ansible.cfg or equivalent in windows. /etc needs root, but you can change the role path to the homedir, $HOME/.ansible/roles 02:21:30 Mattias: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 02:21:48 actually, the last one is not worth so much. 300 points for a 40k 15-rune 02:22:07 gammafunk: empirically nobody really tried for turncount records in the tourney 02:22:11 300 points is pretty generous 02:22:11 but a few people tried for time 02:22:44 that's just variance, last tourney 4th arra nearly got a WR turncount 15 rune 02:22:50 or something like that 02:23:09 yes his PB was last tourney 02:23:09 !tell johnstein as for the second issue. it's a vagrant specific issue and I'd first try to do a vagrant destroy then a vagrant up again. But there might be something else causing issues. Which OS are you on? 02:23:09 Mattias: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 02:23:11 only just behind sapher's WR 02:23:32 I don't think you can really justify it quite so much on perceptions of what people went for 02:23:41 after all how many attempts were there? we don't actually know 02:24:04 it's more that it should be reasonable based on what's actually difficult to achieve and so that it doesn't drown out other interesting achievements 02:24:22 +1 on other more interesting achievements 02:25:09 like if someone matched 3-rune 10k they'd get 500 points 02:25:12 which seems just about right 02:25:28 I think a couple tourneys back someone got something very close 02:25:53 jeanjaques used to do those attempts a lot, sapher was the only other person I know of even trying, so it's just a pretty small community 02:26:01 probably since it's really hard to improve at this point 02:28:21 !hs * won urune=15 recentish 02:28:22 4219. Sapher the Executioner (L26 DDWr of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-04-14 11:22:20, with 75023051 points after 19063 turns and 12:08:08. 02:28:47 charly had a tournament run that was looking good, sadly he died 02:28:48 that would get 600 points from the "highest score" bonus 02:29:00 yeah, seems pretty good for a WR 02:29:14 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:29:33 i guess it's not bad 02:29:35 !tell johnstein Few possible solutions: Enable Intel virtualization in BIOS. Use the latest stable versions from the official sites. 02:29:36 Mattias: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 02:31:19 gammafunk: i realized later that what i was thinking of as the felid xp penalty is the numerous level-downs you get for dying 02:31:29 -!- Guest81557 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:31:37