00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:00:14 this is specifically to address *swinging 00:00:38 I don't think this really works with current hunger cost 00:00:48 ? 00:00:58 you don't want pressing 5 while worshipping sif to make you hungry that often, I think 00:01:15 <|amethyst> what you're describing is basically taking the mummy macro (and the 5 equivalent) and having everyone use it 00:01:23 mummy macro? 00:01:28 <|amethyst> . = aa 00:01:37 isn't that what you were describing 00:02:08 <|amethyst> I had been thinking lower hunger and regen numbers than that 00:02:11 the point is that non-mummies don't currently use the mummy macro usually 00:02:26 so why are we giving it to everyone 00:02:28 <|amethyst> I think my original suggestion was something like "Troll-level hunger" 00:02:49 <|amethyst> but I have no idea what MP regen scale would go with that 00:03:05 |amethyst: yeah, it could work with reduced MP and hunger amounts maybe 00:03:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:13 <|amethyst> troll-level hunger being IIRC a fair amount more manageable than pressing aa every turn 00:03:17 why not use piety instead and remove the hunger aspect? 00:03:39 <|amethyst> because that means you lose piety with sif for casting spells 00:03:40 the current system offers interesting tradeoffs, it's just awful in terms of ui 00:04:02 that's why I thought my always-cast+silence thing was cute 00:04:05 awful is maybe too strong, even 00:04:06 <|amethyst> oh, you mean with current channel, not passive channel 00:04:06 not sure people would love it 00:04:08 what was your thing? 00:04:22 you don't have channel, but you can always cast spells (and I guess use abilities) 00:04:30 but if you don't have mp to cast, the amount of mp you need to cast 00:04:39 means you get a duration of silence after the cast 00:04:43 based on the mp difference you needed 00:04:50 -!- VoxSomniator has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05:05 and if you have silence then you can't cast spells, of course, so you can't just chain cast when out of mp 00:05:26 I assume this is just single-square silence, or maybe even some -Cast status instead of silence? 00:05:30 yes 00:05:37 single-square, and possibly just -cast, right 00:06:06 sounds like a weaker ability, but a neat one 00:06:18 there are some wrinkles, like dragon's call is awkward, but probably addressable 00:06:21 just a question if people would enjoy it 00:06:22 possibly depending on the duration of the silence 00:06:38 i think people would enjoy it if there was a warning before using it, but idk if i'd replace channel with it 00:07:15 well if it didn't replace channel, that'd be bad, I think 00:07:17 -!- docnvk has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:07:24 I mean maybe you could have some high-tier "give mp" ability on top 00:07:34 I sort of like the ability, but I'm not sure how it would actually play 00:07:34 but it does feel redundant to have two "give mp" abilities 00:07:41 elliptic: good for summoners 00:07:49 I hope that's enough to make you happy 00:08:17 gammafunk: also good for apportation-based orb ninja when ghost moths steal all your MP first 00:08:17 haha 00:08:18 yeah maybe it's a bit unwise 00:08:27 it's a lot like delayed fireball 00:08:31 One Last Cast 00:08:34 desperation casting 00:08:53 I think it might also encourage a more hybrid approach 00:08:57 and yeah i agree that it probably shouldn't coexist with channel on sif 00:09:09 i want to say it should go to some other god, but i have no idea which 00:09:14 so that you can do things like cast a good spell every 4 turns and melee the other turns 00:09:33 yeah use those turns for something nice instead of hitting keys 00:09:39 er hitting aa keys, I guess 00:09:55 that will entail a lot of "run back" I'm sure, for conjurer types 00:10:01 veh is sort of better at supporting hybrids, but veh has too many passives already 00:10:03 that or just hitting . 00:10:19 gammafunk: yeah, kiting + using this might not be great 00:10:25 -!- friendfixit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:26 and, like, what other gods do we have that'd give a spell-specific ability? 00:10:37 elliptic: how different is that from kiting for natural mp regen? 00:11:03 <|amethyst> scrolls 00:11:06 i guess the idea is that this would be somewhat faster? 00:11:26 yeah it would indeed be faster 00:11:35 PleasingFungus: it would mainly just be faster, which might not be too bad I guess 00:11:45 the other idea was maybe "sif's hand" with piety-costed mp restore over duration, and some other sif ability perhaps 00:11:56 sif's foot 00:11:57 what if sif gave you a status every 5-10 turns or something which lets you cast a spell with no mp cost 00:11:59 eye of sif 00:12:00 I don't like this since sif's hand will be hard to use very extensively (extensively for me) 00:12:11 <|amethyst> make the top-level ability full-MP sublimation 00:12:17 also full hp 00:12:23 I think making the MP recovery ability use piety somehow would be good 00:12:57 -!- Beargit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:12:59 possibly if sif lost the magic training restriction for piety gain 00:13:06 something like "sif's hand" could be better 00:13:08 just xp on kills 00:13:13 piety on kills? 00:13:17 er 00:13:18 yeah 00:13:20 yeah, that restriction is annoying 00:13:28 but I know some like that theme of training schools dictating piety 00:13:46 i appreciate that it's distinct, and helps make sif appealing to different characters than veh 00:13:57 idk 00:14:03 <|amethyst> could do exploration piety 00:14:12 that does not even make the slightest difference 00:14:13 <|amethyst> or seeing-monsters piety 00:14:25 maybe it could be something like gain piety for training _any_ skill, but gain 2 or three times as much from magic skills 00:14:35 i'd be a little sad losing one of our very few non-generic conducts 00:14:38 letting you cast once at 0 MP is a lot like just giving you +9 MP to begin with, isn't it? 00:14:59 well it's not at 0mp 00:15:08 it's at whatever mp, but if you don't have enough you still get it 00:15:09 mp deb 00:15:12 *debt 00:15:16 <|amethyst> amalloy: those 9 MP regenerate at a different rate though 00:15:17 but no, still not like that 00:15:24 also, MP Deb, my representative in the house of commons 00:15:29 since yeah once the duration is done, you can use it again 00:15:35 mp regen is much slower 00:15:59 ah, and your ordinary MP is still regenerating at the same time 00:16:07 oh, yeah 00:16:08 so it's quite a bit more extra effective MP 00:16:37 you'd cast XXX and get like 8 turns of -cast/silence, say 00:16:46 gain piety when you train skills 00:16:57 oh elliptic said that 00:17:08 yeah, I guess that would be an interesting tweak to the conduct 00:17:17 would help prevent some of the annoyance 00:17:18 would it be? 00:17:24 what's the goal here? 00:17:30 yeah, I guess that would be a tweak to the conduct 00:17:31 <|amethyst> that's effectively piety for kills but with a different scale than most piety for kills conducts 00:17:35 wheals: yeah, I just think it would be better if it was less of an all or nothing thing 00:17:44 |amethyst: more piety for training magic skills 00:17:51 hep was going to be piety for skills, but then i was too lazy to implement it 00:18:04 <|amethyst> yeah 00:18:22 PleasingFungus: the big problem with it is "I'm training summoning so I can increase piety for gifts, I don't need more summonings right now though" 00:18:25 wrt the current situation 00:18:29 is that a problem? 00:18:42 well people are annoyed by this, they want to train the skills they want 00:18:52 players are annoyed by stupid things 00:18:53 PleasingFungus: well, we are bringing this up as a problem, so probably that means we don't like it 00:19:02 are devs annoyed by stupid things too?? 00:19:10 Devs Are Players Too 00:19:13 I'm too dumb to be annoyed by stupid things 00:19:41 PleasingFungus: anyway it actually isn't a big deal currently because sif piety is so useless once you reach gift piety 00:19:42 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:49 since it basically doesn't decay and doesn't do anything 00:19:59 i don't see how softening the conduct as you suggested would actually improve the situation 00:20:19 so all that it means currently is that you want to train magic skills primarily early on 00:20:32 since, presumably, if there were situations before where you felt compelled to train spell skills for piety before, you'd also want to do it after 00:20:41 since there's a piety delta either way 00:20:44 PleasingFungus: the point is that this will become more of an issue if we make something cost sif piety 00:21:11 <|amethyst> I think the issue is 0 piety gain if you're not training magic 00:21:18 <|amethyst> not low piety gain, but zero 00:21:19 possibly if sif lost the magic training restriction for piety gain something like "sif's hand" could be better 00:21:21 if piety decay doesn't exist, it doesn't matter 00:21:23 is where this started 00:21:32 like, i'd like to train fighitng, but summoning will give me three times as much piety, so i'm training that 00:21:42 how is that different? 00:21:50 PleasingFungus: ... this is a discussion about changing sif so that sif piety actually decreases when you use some abilities 00:21:56 yes. 00:21:58 i get that. 00:22:02 i am replying to that. 00:22:04 if piety decay doesn't exist, it doesn't matter 00:22:08 so why are you saying this 00:22:20 decay over time. also, that statement was wrong anyway, so scratch it 00:22:25 it doesn't matter with or without piety decay 00:22:27 <|amethyst> I do see PF's point 00:22:34 yeah, I'm not sure the conduct can surive if channel gets a piety cost though 00:22:57 *survive 00:22:58 <|amethyst> people under ash curse things they don't need skill boosts for, to get higher piety gain 00:23:03 PleasingFungus: it matters because piety is capped 00:23:16 as long as there's a meaningful delta in piety gain between training different types of skills, if piety ever matters, there will be times when you want to train a skill which would otherwise be less valuable to you for the sake of the piety. 00:23:27 PleasingFungus: so the order in which you train your skills matters a lot currently if you are going to use piety-intensive abilities at some point 00:23:37 your suggestion of changing non-spell skills from 0x piety to 0.33x piety does not change this 00:23:41 PleasingFungus: sure, and I have no problem with tha 00:23:42 t 00:23:45 so 00:23:47 why do it at all 00:23:58 if it doesn't solve the "i want fighting but i'm training summoning for sif" 'problem' 00:24:21 ' ' ' single quotes ' ' ' 00:24:23 I never said that was the 'problem' 00:24:23 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:24:28 I think it's just a compromise, PleasingFungus 00:24:36 the problem is <|amethyst> I think the issue is 0 piety gain if you're not training magic 00:25:15 Now people can at least eat some piety loss but get skills they really want, they have a decision they can make where the "less piety" option is more palatable 00:25:31 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:25:37 -!- FireSight has quit [] 00:25:41 well I guess they can still do this, tbf, it's just a bit easier to justify it with that change 00:25:57 <|amethyst> btw, it's not exactly all or nothing right now 00:26:00 the issue is that magic skills tend to be very low use once you get the spells you want to low fail 00:26:11 <|amethyst> since you can train 2/3 fighting and 1/3 summoning 00:26:16 right 00:26:18 so having to train them higher than that later on in the game doesn't feel great 00:26:18 <|amethyst> or 1/3 fighting and 2/3 summoning 00:26:39 (but you don't have to currently because sif piety never drops below ******) 00:27:09 in a spooky, halloween-styled voice: "it sounds like we're making a lot of problems to solve a small one" 00:27:19 PleasingFungus: how are we making problems? 00:27:43 in the hypothetical where we give sif piety costs, and then we have to revise sif's piety system to deal with that, and then 00:27:57 yeah, I think that problem being solved with sif channel changes 00:28:00 is not really about sif's conduct 00:28:06 it's about the UI/ability itself 00:28:21 as in it's key-spammy, the UI etc 00:28:25 +1 00:29:42 PleasingFungus: the point was that I was suggesting something that I think would be a fairly simple solution to these hypothetical problems caused by giving sif piety costs 00:30:02 ok. 00:30:05 PleasingFungus: I agree that this is all hypothetical, but I don't see how I'm making problems 00:30:21 giving sif piety costs is making problems. 00:30:50 -!- cut_lass has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:30:51 you don't have any fundamental problem with lack of use of sif piety? 00:31:03 <|amethyst> there's no use for veh piety either 00:31:17 i don't really, no 00:31:20 but veh is duuuuummmbbbb 00:31:24 I don't understand which side of this argument you are arguing... you seemed to be saying that you think sif's current piety gain system is totally fine 00:31:30 haha, magic god rivalry 00:31:41 elliptic: i do think that, yeah 00:31:48 so what are the "a lot of problems" caused by sif piety costs? 00:32:13 |amethyst: this is true, and I think that works somewhat better because veh piety is slower 00:32:18 i'm not going to relitigate this right now if there's not a specific change that someone really thinks should be implemented. 00:32:24 I don't think that every god needs to have piety costs 00:32:52 this argument feels like it's continuing for the sake of itself and i only enjoy peace, tranquility, and the friendship of my fellow devs. 00:32:59 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm, is it slower once you start getting sif gifts? 00:33:14 <|amethyst> elliptic: I know getting a gift eats lots of piety gain but I don't remember the details 00:33:22 |amethyst: veh gifts also eat piety gain 00:33:27 I guess I never realized how slow veh piety gain is 00:33:34 <|amethyst> elliptic: but you don't get any more of those once you hit 6* 00:33:53 sif gifts don't eat much piety gain since they happen after piety taper starts 00:33:54 <|amethyst> but I guess 00:33:54 and yeah, often you don't reach ****** on veh until post-lair 00:34:37 !lm * t xl<20 god.maxpiety=veh x=avg(xl) 00:34:38 223 milestones for * (t xl<20 god.maxpiety=veh): avg(xl)=14.74 00:34:40 !lm * t xl<20 god.maxpiety=sif x=avg(xl) 00:34:41 137 milestones for * (t xl<20 god.maxpiety=sif): avg(xl)=11.41 00:34:58 (xl<20 to hopefully rule out most lategame god switches) 00:35:39 &dump 00:35:53 https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/morgue/pleasingfungus/pleasingfungus.txt 00:36:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:36:21 lair:8 for this guy, apparently 00:36:27 which didn't feel out of line 00:36:44 yeah, late lair or shortly after lair is pretty normal 00:37:29 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:38:20 -!- dplusplus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:23 !lm . god.maxpiety=sif min=turns 00:38:32 Hi there 00:38:33 !lm . god.maxpiety=sif min=turns x=turns,xl 00:38:37 hi 00:38:59 364. [2015-08-23 01:54:57] gammafunk the Summoner (L10 DESu of Sif Muna) became the Champion of Sif Muna on turn 3327. (Lair:5) 00:38:59 364. [2015-08-23 01:54:57] [turn=3327;xl=10] gammafunk the Summoner (L10 DESu of Sif Muna) became the Champion of Sif Muna on turn 3327. (Lair:5) 00:40:00 !lm . god.maxpiety=sif x=avg(xl),avg(turns) gfspeed 00:40:01 350 milestones for gammafunk (god.maxpiety=sif gfspeed): avg(xl)=10.52; avg(turn)=7176.17 00:41:03 <|amethyst> btw, 00:41:17 <|amethyst> are we landing hep and uk after the tournament? 00:41:35 i'd lean weakly against hep for now, hopefully later in 0.19 00:41:35 <|amethyst> seems like they're far enough along that more playtesting would be beneficial 00:41:37 i think yes on uk 00:41:42 <|amethyst> hm 00:41:44 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:41:49 -!- Guest16080 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:52 !lm . god.maxpiety=sif s=turns 00:41:54 77 milestones for minmay (god.maxpiety=sif): 17912, 10894, 11890, 15259, 19283, 10690, 16246, 13807, 24196, 22835, 21684, 19278, 18483, 15046, 16243, 18597, 18200, 13126, 13779, 19260, 16602, 16154, 16164, 16661, 16200, 15376, 29487, 20701, 11939, 10415, 18227, 17488, 18191, 15236, 17271, 21936, 25778, 8889, 19938, 11781, 11205, 30463, 21311, 36237, 86380, 13714, 20845, 20426, 15220, 18720, 16872,... 00:41:54 i guess i could do more hep revisions during the remainder of t 00:42:15 i've been slacking for the last few months. sad! 00:42:15 <|amethyst> !lm . god.maxpiety=sif s=turns 00:42:15 18 milestones for |amethyst (god.maxpiety=sif): 11655, 10705, 23922, 14874, 19922, 14913, 11392, 9495, 11239, 18220, 12216, 15870, 12797, 12274, 13910, 16662, 10002, 14086 00:42:19 I read that as "are we landing hep in the uk", like he was getting a regional rollout, or something 00:42:20 <|amethyst> !lm . god.maxpiety=veh s=turns 00:42:30 !lm . god.maxpiety=sif s=turns 00:42:38 29 milestones for |amethyst (god.maxpiety=veh): 37647, 21732, 21980, 21280, 16587, 17888, 23647, 22744, 15692, 21363, 27358, 19821, 28476, 24360, 24369, 22883, 21085, 26154, 25308, 12664, 25080, 22361, 14987, 18901, 14252, 20493, 20191, 33967, 38206 00:42:39 18 milestones for elliptic (god.maxpiety=sif): 16104, 13855, 11421, 79728, 14854, 12100, 18045, 13733, 13424, 9634, 71403, 13960, 11052, 4249, 7087, 12480, 10516, 11838 00:42:44 <|amethyst> gammafunk: hep in the beat sense 00:43:11 <|amethyst> !lm elliptic god.maxpiety=sif min=turns x=gid 00:43:12 18. [2012-09-12 06:21:32] [game_key=elliptic:cdo:20120812030513S] elliptic the Summoner (L10 MuSu of Sif Muna) became the Champion of Sif Muna on turn 4249. (Lair:2) 00:43:24 <|amethyst> !lm * god.maxpiety=sif min=turns x=gid 00:43:25 20014. [2015-09-10 04:16:19] [game_key=tlatlagkaus:cwz:20150810035957S] tlatlagkaus the Geomancer (L9 DEEE of Sif Muna) became the Champion of Sif Muna on turn 1931. (D:8) 00:43:45 imo Su score should be awarded to the su of sif that gets max piety on the lowest turns 00:43:45 <|amethyst> !lm * god.maxpiety=veh min=turns x=gid 00:43:47 23358. [2015-03-07 10:27:12] [game_key=PurpleRed:cao:20150207080350S] PurpleRed the Thaumaturge (L13 DECj of Vehumet) became the Champion of Vehumet on turn 5455. (D:12) 00:43:55 -!- fixit_friend has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:11 !lm * su sif god.maxpiety min=turns 00:44:26 ProzacElf: this is many hours late, but i think it's possible to use lua to ignore a specific prompt (such as for walking into flame clouds) 00:44:33 i think elliptic added the functionality 00:44:34 oh 00:44:35 cool 00:44:46 for qw 00:44:51 far too late for it to do me any good 00:44:53 but worth knowin 00:44:54 g 00:44:55 rip 00:45:04 1932. [2015-08-24 08:20:13] timbw the Summoner (L10 DESu of Sif Muna) became the Champion of Sif Muna on turn 3013. (Lair:7) 00:45:10 dammit, timbw 00:45:14 someone asked me if there was a way to make autoexplore ignore sticky flame 00:45:18 which I thought was pretty funny 00:45:27 heh 00:45:43 I mean, if it can ignore poison past a threshold, why not 00:46:02 %git 192111199e09d267cb4ffbc5d1c20504663549f8 00:46:02 07elliptic02 * 0.17-a0-958-g1921111: Add a lua hook to answer simple yesno prompts automatically. 10(1 year ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/192111199e09 00:46:06 has the goods 00:46:32 sticky flame... 00:46:50 i had some ideas for tweaking it to be more meaningful, but i never implemented them 00:47:23 -!- JStrange_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:47:41 it's totally meaningful, it makes faerie dragon armor occasionally slightly cooler than it already is 00:47:53 lol 00:48:04 my last faerieda was +1 "dex+9" 00:48:14 sticky flame is already scary as hell if you get hit by it early enough in the game 00:48:24 yeah, but most sticky flame is late-game, i feel? 00:48:24 the problem is that mottled dragons are too deep 00:48:30 mid or late maybe 00:48:35 yeah, mottleds are weird in where they place 00:48:37 and something like a smoke demon having it is just poinless, yeah 00:49:03 <|amethyst> does sticky flame duration scale by power? 00:49:21 thinking about it now, i wonder if it'd be better if you increased damage and scaled duration such that later enemies were significantly nastier than earlier ones 00:49:31 <|amethyst> ah, by damage 00:49:31 elliptic has some pretty amazing fda I saw in one of his logs 00:49:35 +8, rf+++ 00:49:38 and something else 00:49:52 !source beam.cc:4054 00:49:53 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc#l4054 00:50:02 !source napalm_player 00:50:03 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l4701 00:50:26 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50:28 duration doesn't scale at all, looks like? 00:50:49 well, it shouldn't just be "fire poison" either 00:51:08 nessos flame... 00:52:21 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, how do degree and duration interact exactly? 00:53:01 <|amethyst> oh right 00:53:06 <|amethyst> that's just monsters anyway 00:53:57 <|amethyst> yeah, just random2avg(7,3)+1 turns 00:54:10 <|amethyst> with a 100-turn cap 00:54:28 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:32 speaking of mottled dragon depth 00:54:44 i ran into a steam dragon on d:3 00:54:48 that was impressively difficult 00:55:00 <|amethyst> did it leave a hide? 00:55:44 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-83-g442d268: Remove a leftover dprf 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/442d26836edb 00:55:49 hopefully he blew it up with disint 00:56:03 heh, i wouldn't know 00:56:10 i got murdered 00:56:14 !lg ProzacElf d:3 00:56:15 597. ProzacElf the Skirmisher (L5 DsAK of Lugonu), succumbed to Jessica's poison on D:3 on 2016-05-14 09:36:54, with 187 points after 2986 turns and 0:06:20. 00:56:21 !lg ProzacElf d:3 killer="steam dragon" 00:56:22 1. ProzacElf the Slasher (L4 VpCK of Xom), slain by a steam dragon on D:3 on 2016-05-12 03:05:46, with 74 points after 1723 turns and 0:03:58. 00:56:25 nice 00:56:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:56:37 yeah, it's funny to see otherwise unthreatening enemies at lower depths 00:56:42 e.g. the insubstantial wisp vault 00:56:45 yeah, i was hoping my chaos weapon would let me handle it 00:56:48 rip 00:56:48 rip 00:56:56 it might've! 00:57:01 i know! 00:57:04 and i wanted that hide! 00:57:44 right, sticky flame damage variance is insanely huge, for some reason 00:57:46 i forgot about that 00:58:37 i guess not really moreso than other damage spells 00:58:50 since it all goes 0-largenum 00:58:56 if you think damage spell damage variance is insanely huge, i wonder what you think of melee dmage 00:59:01 haha 00:59:16 <|amethyst> most spells use multiple dice at least :) 00:59:22 <|amethyst> s/use/add/ 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:03 I just got the worst two U floors so far 01:01:15 how many shrikes 01:01:18 1 01:01:25 the first floor had no walls in LOS of the entrance 01:01:29 and a bunch of monsters 01:01:38 the second floor was the floor with 4 staircase in the cennter 01:01:43 and a bunch of monsters around it 01:01:49 isn't that pleasuredromes? 01:01:52 evilmike 01:02:01 evilmike_ambush in particular 01:02:07 maybe? 01:02:17 I think pleasuredromes does the all staircases in center though 01:02:20 but yeah probably a few do 01:02:25 vaults, that is 01:02:38 mm 01:03:25 oh right, and for both floors 01:03:30 there's a zot trap in LOS of the stairs 01:03:46 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest39820 01:03:57 I think the second floor (four staircase in the center) has the zot trap between the four stairs by default? 01:07:12 <|amethyst> I recently had an interesting experience 01:07:19 <|amethyst> !lg . t hacj -log 01:07:20 1. neil, XL6 HaCj, T:2626: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/neil/morgue-neil-20160514-162741.txt 01:07:33 <|amethyst> that room had all three upstairs and all three downstairs 01:08:13 wonder how small the level really was 01:08:48 Unstable branch on crawl.jorgrun.rocks updated to: 0.19-a0-83-g442d268 (34) 01:09:03 <|amethyst> at least a little bigger than what I saw 01:09:21 <|amethyst> because the floor apparently had johnstein_pakellas_dig too 01:09:22 <|amethyst> oh 01:09:44 Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18.1-6-gd335043 (34) 01:10:15 Pre-release branch, interesting 01:11:10 New branch created: pull/264 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/264 01:11:10 03Yer mivvaggah02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/264 * 0.19-a0-84-gaec27fe: more fun randart strings 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 68+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aec27fe74150 01:11:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-84-gd098229: Make skills purple even if draining is lost in the rounding. 10(88 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d098229e9a1c 01:11:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.19-a0-85-g2cd376a: Don't allow shafting into the johnstein_pakellas_dig box. 10(77 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2cd376a7b9e9 01:12:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:13:38 03Yer mivvaggah02 {wheals} 07* 0.19-a0-86-gc472be2: more fun randart strings (#264) 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 68+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c472be216791 01:13:50 <|amethyst> of course, once I saw all the stuff in that room (six stairs, pikel, orc pack) I decided I should take the escape hatch from D:3 instead 01:14:02 <|amethyst> which landed me right in the middle of the same room 01:14:04 <|amethyst> so it goes 01:14:25 we can use the big green purple button without the merge commit now 01:14:27 rejoice 01:14:37 er, it's not green purple 01:14:45 but it makes it purple 01:15:23 <|amethyst> does it go by the diff? 01:16:01 <|amethyst> oh 01:16:05 <|amethyst> hm 01:17:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:31 -!- fixit_friend has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:58 -!- fixit_friend has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:47 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-83-g442d268 (34) 01:19:57 speaking of unfortunate things 01:20:57 http://i.imgur.com/nGFzRAa.png?1 01:22:14 <|amethyst> wonder what vault that is 01:22:28 the -3 war axe is a good touch 01:22:56 (curse) 01:23:06 |amethyst: i was guessing level gen 01:23:07 also the 3 ac on what is presumably an xl9 mibe 01:23:22 !gamesby meatpath 01:23:24 meatpath has played 249 games, between 2014-09-20 02:41:52 and 2016-05-14 22:32:26, won 9 (3.6%), high score 12577561, total score 34831285, total turns 3045545, play-time/day 0:20:38, total time 8d+15:27:44. 01:23:25 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:23:30 not an awful winrate, tbh 01:23:36 meatpath is a mod in my stream 01:23:39 because he donated 01:23:42 haha 01:23:45 shameless! 01:23:45 -!- Sprort has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:24:24 -!- eb has quit [] 01:24:26 its probably +0 leather of rpois 01:24:35 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:24:41 15 ev makes me think robe 01:24:45 or, uh 01:24:46 animal skin 01:25:13 <|amethyst> greensnark: https://loom.shalott.org/api/sequell/crawl-build/ has been 503ing for the last couple of days, according to the github webhook 01:26:27 https://steamcommunity.com/app/333640/discussions/0/530646080848194826/?ctp=7#c364041776187904317 this should be an inspiration for us all (last post) 01:27:56 class UseItemMenu : public KnownMenu, public InvMenu {}; still gives me expected class-name before ',' token, even with #include "itemname.h" 01:28:18 is that multiple inheritance 01:28:22 was discord spelled "dischord" in rand_wpn.txt on purpose? 01:28:33 -!- grisha5 has quit [Client Quit] 01:28:33 <|amethyst> I don't think you'd want to derive from KnownMenu 01:28:39 yeah, it's acting like KnownMenu is not understood 01:29:08 <|amethyst> since this menu is not really much at all like the \ menu 01:29:25 <|amethyst> KnownMenu only exists in itemname.cc 01:29:52 <|amethyst> if you really wanted to inherit from it you'd have to pull the class definition out into a header file 01:30:00 <|amethyst> but I think inheriting from it here would be a mistake 01:30:03 fixit_friend: looks like an 8-year-old typo 01:30:13 well fuck back to the drawing board 01:30:20 nice, PleasingFungus 01:30:21 dibs! 01:31:10 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-87-g96da15e: Fix an 8-year-old typo (fixit_friend) 10(14 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/96da15e77bfd 01:31:22 <|amethyst> what do you want from KnownMenu? 01:31:22 nooo 01:31:33 PleasingFungus: honestly i think it's imporessive an eight-year-old even knows what discord means 01:31:37 which chord? DIS chord 01:31:37 fixit_friend: i put your name in it! what more do you want? 01:31:46 I was doing it :P 01:31:49 amalloy: 01:31:49 it's fine 01:31:52 !bug 10418 01:31:52 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10418 01:32:04 yeah, i liked that one 01:32:07 totally agree 01:32:14 |amethyst, it can display a completely different vector of things when a keypress is made, not like a toggleable menu 01:33:12 <|amethyst> Naruni: it doesn't, actually 01:33:29 <|amethyst> Naruni: that's handled in the recursive call at the end of check_item_knowledge 01:33:46 <|amethyst> Naruni: if you press \ it exits the menu, then the caller (check_item_knowledge) creates a new menu 01:33:53 yeah i noticed that - i can't get that oh wait i can just redefine process_key 01:33:58 <|amethyst> Naruni: however, I think here it would be best not to have the toggle 01:34:02 in UseItemMenu 01:34:12 <|amethyst> Naruni: but to show both inventory and floor items at the same time 01:34:18 wait, youre saying list both ground and inv on the same screen? 01:34:22 <|amethyst> yeah 01:34:26 ooh boy 01:34:35 <|amethyst> would need to use different hotkeys for the floor items 01:34:39 well, my first hurdle i see is key assignment 01:35:18 <|amethyst> yeah 01:36:01 <|amethyst> I wonder what happens currently if you have more than 52 items on the ground and your screen is big enough to show more than 52 at a time 01:36:03 so one vector, with umm hotkeys reserved for inventory items, then the rest of the vector filled with floor items sequentially increasing int for slot? 01:36:21 New branch created: pull/265 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/265 01:36:21 03Yer mivvaggah02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/265 * 0.19-a0-88-g8dc182a: more fun randart strings 10(66 seconds ago, 1 file, 20+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8dc182ad1253 01:36:41 i would find it more... usable if 01:36:46 |amethyst, it gets paged 01:36:56 it listed both, but the hotkey for ground items were e.g. ctrl something 01:37:05 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: ctrl-something is difficult 01:37:12 or like 01:37:18 > and then a letter 01:37:24 jsut not a single letter 01:37:27 the hotkeys recycle on the next page is what im seeing 01:37:33 for pickup menu 01:37:49 <|amethyst> Naruni: yeah, I was wondering what happens if one page is big enough for 53 items 01:37:59 <|amethyst> Naruni: or maybe it just forces a page break anyway 01:38:13 my screen is, it stops the list at W 01:38:19 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: I would say 0-9 but of course there could be more floor items than that 01:38:30 lowercase a-z then A-W 01:38:57 <|amethyst> hm 01:39:35 i can scroll through it with arrow up and down or press space to page 01:39:42 <|amethyst> maybe a toggle is fine then, certainly makes this question easier 01:40:22 <|amethyst> you could probably do the toggle inside the menu, by having process_key clear out the menu, toggle the floor/inv flag, and re-load the menu 01:40:45 <|amethyst> not sure what that might break though 01:40:55 <|amethyst> you'd have to clear all selections too 01:41:31 <|amethyst> or, I guess you can do what KnownMenu does 01:41:31 this is another problem, this menu will be a MF_NOSELECT 01:41:34 <|amethyst> and exit the menu, and let your caller handle the loop 01:41:43 <|amethyst> why MF_NOSELECT? 01:42:15 -!- Guest39820 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42:21 because there should never be an action taken on more than one item. i plan to have the menu entry associate with a keypress and that will point to an item_def 01:42:41 <|amethyst> ? 01:42:48 <|amethyst> if you want an action on just one item 01:42:55 <|amethyst> why not the default flags? 01:43:03 <|amethyst> no MF_NOSELECT but no MF_MULTISELECT either 01:43:11 <|amethyst> oh 01:43:14 <|amethyst> MF_SINGLESELECT 01:43:19 <|amethyst> I guess it's not a default 01:43:38 in my last testing, with default flags when i pressed a key it would highlight the corresponding line, instead of acting on it 01:44:46 <|amethyst> Naruni: try MF_SINGLESELECT maybe? 01:45:22 <|amethyst> Naruni: you probably don't want to be reimplementing the hotkey stuff yourself, that's making more work and more duplicated code 01:45:34 03Yer mivvaggah02 {wheals} 07* 0.19-a0-88-g2d69e0c: more fun randart strings (#265) 10(8 seconds ago, 1 file, 20+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2d69e0cf1e15 01:46:27 does hotkey come from InvMenu or Menu? 01:46:58 !source menu_letter 01:46:59 1/3. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/menu.h#l38 01:47:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.19-a0-89-gbcf97f4: Vanish more terrain in Doroklohe lab (10419) 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bcf97f42b3ef 01:47:42 <|amethyst> the hotkey is in MenuEntry 01:47:52 <|amethyst> rather, the vector of hotkeys 01:49:42 <|amethyst> in particular, the thing that gives inventory items their letter hotkeys is 01:49:47 <|amethyst> !source InvEntry::InvEntry 01:49:48 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/invent.cc#l69 01:49:51 wtf how can a single menuentry have a vector of hotkeys? isnt a hotkey supposed to correspond to ONE key? 01:50:04 <|amethyst> Naruni: a single item can have multiple hotkeys 01:50:31 <|amethyst> Naruni: e.g. in a multiselect menu, a potion in slot f would have hotkeys 'f' and '!' 01:50:40 ahh 01:51:06 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:51:17 <|amethyst> the thing that gives non-inventory items their hotkey is 01:51:26 !seen wheals 01:51:26 I last saw wheals at Sun May 15 05:31:35 2016 UTC (19m 50s ago) saying 'which chord? DIS chord' on ##crawl-dev. 01:51:28 <|amethyst> !source invent.cc:826 01:51:29 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/invent.cc#l826 01:51:33 so that constructor, can i override the else add_hotkey(' '); part? 01:51:33 <|amethyst> (in InvMenu::load_items) 01:51:52 wheals: any opinions on my moving bugs into the "implementables" category for the sake of Chequers' List? Think there's a better way? 01:52:05 another option would be giving them a special tag 01:52:16 either way is good though 01:52:27 <|amethyst> Naruni: I think probably that's not the best place 01:52:30 !lm WildSam 01:52:30 imo 01:52:32 5998. [2016-05-14 22:58:29] WildSam the Brawler (L22 DsGl of Yredelemnul) was cast into the Abyss! (a lich) (Depths:4) 01:52:34 wheals: a tag? 01:52:50 issues in mantis can have tags 01:52:50 <|amethyst> Naruni: because the InvEntry has no idea which position it's in, so can't figure out its own hotkey 01:52:56 <|amethyst> Naruni: (if it's a floor item that is) 01:52:57 though we don't really use the system much... 01:53:32 <|amethyst> Naruni: instead you'd want to do that as you're loading your entries into the menu 01:53:45 <|amethyst> Naruni: the way InvMenu::load_items does if the hotkey is ' ' 01:54:05 <|amethyst> Naruni: it might even make sense to use InvMenu::load_items directly 01:54:41 <|amethyst> Naruni: (but then you're stuck with its "assign in order a-zA-Z" rule) 01:54:46 |amethyst, i dont see a filtering options to load_items 01:54:56 <|amethyst> Naruni: it takes a vector of items 01:55:04 oh yeah ive already filtered that 01:55:05 hmm 01:55:25 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.19-a0-87-g96da15e 01:56:23 wheals: where should i look for it in the uI? I don't see a field to edit... 01:56:31 oh wait i think i see 01:57:06 the last row, "attach tags" 01:57:23 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:05