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02:18:54 <minqmay> i do not understand the role of stone arrow in fen folio
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02:49:56 <Sequell> gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
02:49:56 <Sequell> I last saw |amethyst at Mon Apr 11 22:34:56 2016 UTC (1w 1d 8h 14m 59s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: leaving'.
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09:08:59 <TZer0> !messages
09:08:59 <Sequell> No messages for TZer0.
09:09:12 <TZer0> !seen |amethyst
09:09:13 <Sequell> I last saw |amethyst at Mon Apr 11 22:34:56 2016 UTC (1w 1d 14h 34m 17s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: leaving'.
09:09:19 <TZer0> Hmmmm
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10:35:01 <fixit_friend> does species_likes_water/lava encourage pathfinding through it preferentially? or does "like" just mean "can safely step"?
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10:37:18 <wheals> yes, it means that being inside the feature won't kill the player
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10:42:23 <fixit_friend> yes, but I wasn't sure whether "like" would also be "given equal distance, goes here rather than floor"
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11:02:39 <geekosaur> I think the only measure for that involves speed (e.g. merfolk in water)
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19:04:40 <gammafunk> Something made a bunch of bats and rats on depths:2
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19:05:30 <gammafunk> now porcupines
19:07:40 <amalloy> !vault lemuel_vampire_tower
19:07:40 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#l1316
19:08:00 <amalloy> gammafunk: ^?
19:08:02 <gammafunk> geeze
19:08:03 <gammafunk> yes
19:08:20 <gammafunk> !blame2 lemuel
19:08:20 <Sequell> llleeemmmuuueeelll
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20:20:37 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk shoals vlong>=0.18-a0-1494-g21fd751
20:20:40 <Sequell> 463. newbestfriend the Severer (L19 FoFi of Fedhas), slain by a merfolk (a +0 glaive) on Shoals:3 (hangedman_shoal_volcano) on 2016-04-20 21:45:10, with 206581 points after 35743 turns and 3:05:01.
20:20:50 <PleasingFungus> !lm * current trunk br.enter=shoals vlong>=0.18-a0-1494-g21fd751
20:20:51 <Sequell> 2143. [2016-04-21 00:00:52] klsh78012 the Alchemist (L17 DsMo of Gozag) entered the Shoals on turn 22420. (Lair:6)
20:21:07 <PleasingFungus> !lm * current trunk br.enter=shoals vlong<0.18-a0-1494-g21fd751
20:21:09 <Sequell> 4418. [2016-03-29 04:40:09] Runa the Bludgeoner (L16 GrBe of Trog) entered the Shoals on turn 29897. (Lair:5)
20:21:15 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk shoals vlong<0.18-a0-1494-g21fd751
20:21:17 <Sequell> 910. dhunt3r the Eclecticist (L16 HEWz of Sif Muna), mangled by a merfolk (a +0 trident) on Shoals:1 on 2016-03-09 11:53:22, with 126427 points after 37259 turns and 3:53:25.
20:22:01 <chequers> hoping for a bigger change?
20:22:06 <PleasingFungus> ?
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20:22:07 <PleasingFungus> there's no change
20:22:17 <chequers> thought you were looking to see if the deathrate changed
20:22:23 <PleasingFungus> And it hasn't.
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20:22:41 <amalloy> %git 21fd751
20:22:42 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1494-g21fd751: Make water nymphs more fragile 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/21fd751387e1
20:22:42 <PleasingFungus> Several people in the SA thread are fretting about water nymphs.
20:22:51 <chequers> !lm * br.enter=shoals s=month(start) / won -graph:area
20:22:54 <Sequell> 19777/71204 milestones for * (br.enter=shoals): https://shalott.org/graphs/ee4293033e3bd90aef500e12d0b16184a4e4bfe3.html
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20:23:16 <PleasingFungus> er
20:23:19 <PleasingFungus> that doesn't seem like the right query
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20:23:39 <PleasingFungus> surely you want to check to see if they died in shoals, not whether they died *anywhere*
20:23:44 <chequers> yeah
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20:23:49 <chequers> i forget how
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20:23:58 <PleasingFungus> there's some kind of lg: syntax
20:24:00 <chequers> !lm * br.enter=shoals s=month(start) / lg:shoals
20:24:00 <PleasingFungus> ??listgame
20:24:00 <Sequell> listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md
20:24:00 <Sequell> No keyword 'lg:shoals'
20:24:14 <chequers> !lm * br.enter=shoals s=month(start) / lg:br=shoals
20:24:16 <amalloy> make crawl great again. it was better before PF started messing with it
20:24:16 <Sequell> 13517/71204 milestones for * (br.enter=shoals): 0/1x 200711 [0.00%], 0/4x 200801 [0.00%], 0/5x 200802 [0.00%], 0/5x 200803 [0.00%], 0/10x 200804 [0.00%], 0/11x 200805 [0.00%], 3/13x 200806 [23.08%], 4/21x 200807 [19.05%], 0/1x 200809 [0.00%], 2/7x 200810 [28.57%], 0/5x 200811 [0.00%], 0/17x 200812 [0.00%], 2/12x 200901 [16.67%], 1/10x 200902 [10.00%], 0/8x 200903 [0.00%], 1/10x 200904 [10.00%], 7/...
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20:24:23 <chequers> !lm * br.enter=shoals s=month(start) / lg:br=shoals -graph:area
20:24:26 <Sequell> 13517/71204 milestones for * (br.enter=shoals): https://shalott.org/graphs/3077e9d371c34a5f178febebc3607ce3c5ca3f74.html
20:24:37 <PleasingFungus> there we go
20:24:49 <PleasingFungus> 2013 was a good year for shoals
20:24:51 <PleasingFungus> for players, anyway :)
20:24:53 <amalloy> !cmd !branchsuccess
20:24:53 <Sequell> No command !branchsuccess
20:24:58 <amalloy> !cmd !lairsuccess
20:24:58 <Sequell> Command: !lairsuccess => .echo Lair success rate for $(name_fixup $*). $(join ", " (map (fn (x) (!lm ${*:-.} !alive br.enter=$x / lg:place!=$x title:"$x" pfmt:"${.}${%}" )) (list lair spider swamp snake shoals slime)))
20:25:07 <chequers> i wonder what happened in 2013
20:25:10 <PleasingFungus> !lm * br.enter=swamp s=month(start) / lg:br=swamp -graph:area
20:25:14 <chequers> !lm * br.enter=spider s=month(start) / lg:br=spider
20:25:19 <chequers> beaten
20:25:21 <Sequell> 14730/88967 milestones for * (br.enter=swamp): https://shalott.org/graphs/7b244550ac1b036ff095c138fe4192a6dae64f8f.html
20:25:25 <PleasingFungus> let's not murder sequell
20:25:31 <Sequell> 11059/74474 milestones for * (br.enter=spider): 0/3x 201003 [0.00%], 0/14x 201004 [0.00%], 0/16x 201005 [0.00%], 0/21x 201006 [0.00%], 0/40x 201007 [0.00%], 0/109x 201008 [0.00%], 0/112x 201009 [0.00%], 0/117x 201010 [0.00%], 0/113x 201011 [0.00%], 0/131x 201012 [0.00%], 0/165x 201101 [0.00%], 0/199x 201102 [0.00%], 0/252x 201103 [0.00%], 0/318x 201104 [0.00%], 0/737x 201105 [0.00%], 0/566x 201106...
20:25:36 <PleasingFungus> looks like the game got easier
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20:25:53 <PleasingFungus> or... the players got better..!?
20:25:58 <chequers> impossible
20:26:13 <chequers> i wish you could cap graph dimensions
20:26:21 <chequers> make alt-tab comparisons much fairer
20:27:47 <PleasingFungus> er
20:27:49 <PleasingFungus> hm
20:27:50 <PleasingFungus> actually
20:27:56 <PleasingFungus> i got that backwards
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20:28:04 <PleasingFungus> that's a *higher* deathrate
20:29:18 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk killer~~nymph vlong>=0.18-a0-1494-g21fd751
20:29:20 <Sequell> 52. Zebra the Phalangite (L16 CeFi of Okawaru), blasted by a water nymph (the raging water) on Shoals:2 on 2016-04-20 12:16:07, with 128726 points after 41339 turns and 1:25:55.
20:29:30 <PleasingFungus> er
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20:29:36 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk vlong>=0.18-a0-1494-g21fd751 /  killer~~nymph
20:29:44 <Sequell> 52/116112 games for * (current trunk vlong>=0.18-a0-1494-g21fd751): N=52/116112 (0.04%)
20:29:51 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk vlong<0.18-a0-1494-g21fd751 /  killer~~nymph
20:29:59 <Sequell> 118/244703 games for * (current trunk vlong<0.18-a0-1494-g21fd751): N=118/244703 (0.05%)
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20:40:47 <nicolae-> well, well, well.
20:40:57 <PleasingFungus> ?
20:41:23 <nicolae-> oh, nothing, i just didn't want to not say anything.
20:42:41 <PleasingFungus> well, well, well.
20:42:49 <nicolae-> see?
20:42:52 <PleasingFungus> someday we should decide on a release date
20:43:02 <PleasingFungus> i think chequers is probably the key person to consult there tbh
20:43:04 <PleasingFungus> given
20:43:10 <nicolae-> what needs to be done for the release date?
20:43:19 <nicolae-> er, what needs to be done by then, i mean
20:43:49 <PleasingFungus> maybe tweak pak's magic potion gifting stuff, probably go through the open bugs and try to trim them down, definitely be ready for the tournament
20:43:54 <PleasingFungus> the last one is cheqs'
20:43:56 <PleasingFungus> iirc
20:44:21 <nicolae-> *nods* and vault submissions?
20:44:26 <nicolae-> , he asked, idly
20:44:39 <PleasingFungus> i don't know what a vault is.
20:44:59 <PleasingFungus> i feel like it's one of those things one of our former devs cared about, like grunt, or hangedman, or gammaidiot.
20:45:02 <nicolae-> it's an art form, kind of like painting or music, but more transcendent, and emotionally moving
20:45:03 <PleasingFungus> sorry i mean gammafunk
20:45:05 <PleasingFungus> weird typo there
20:45:23 <PleasingFungus> nicolae-: did you know i made a vault once
20:45:32 <chequers> consult me? if it's about tourney, I just need a weekend between the decision and date
20:45:40 <PleasingFungus> nice
20:45:42 <nicolae-> PleasingFungus: nice
20:46:11 <PleasingFungus> i'm contemplating may 6th
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20:46:26 <PleasingFungus> just in time for mother's day
20:46:47 <PleasingFungus> i guess may 6th would be tournament, release maybe a few days before... may 4th maybe? idk
20:46:57 <chequers> may the 4th be with you! yes please
20:47:07 <nicolae-> lol
20:47:09 <PleasingFungus> is that the star wars day
20:47:18 <PleasingFungus> if so, why may
20:47:20 <PleasingFungus> oh
20:47:21 <chequers> um that's from starGATE you fake nerd
20:47:21 <PleasingFungus> nvm
20:47:23 <nicolae-> also, if frostbite is going to stay in, who do i ask about making a tile that isn't soggy garbage
20:47:24 <PleasingFungus> god
20:47:27 <chequers> lol
20:47:32 <PleasingFungus> nicolae-: canofworms probably
20:47:45 <PleasingFungus> i keep forgetting frostbite exists
20:47:54 <nicolae-> yeah, i saw a thread on tavern saying it wasn't really exciting :(
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20:48:12 <PleasingFungus> way far from the least exciting unrand
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20:48:56 <nicolae-> also the freezing clouds getting in the way of autofight is an issue, i anticipated it and made the freezing clouds short-lived to help mitigate it but that doesn't seem to have worked
20:49:05 <nicolae-> is there a level of rC that will make the player immune to clouds, or no
20:49:18 <PleasingFungus> n
20:49:25 <PleasingFungus> ds have cloud immunity but that's different
20:49:28 <nicolae-> yeah
20:49:42 <PleasingFungus> rc+++ is basically cloud immunity w any decent ac
20:49:48 <PleasingFungus> that's a lot of rc ofc
20:49:52 <PleasingFungus> and won't help autofight
20:50:16 <nicolae-> yeah. i suppose it's okay if you're a qazlatrist.
20:50:18 <wheals_> you could have it give immunity to fclouds
20:50:25 <nicolae-> yeah, i was also thinking of that
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20:51:46 <nicolae-> maybe cut out the +Fly and replace it with rFrzCloud or however it'd be spelled
20:51:58 <PleasingFungus> at some point
20:52:00 <PleasingFungus> {special}
20:52:15 <PleasingFungus> not everything needs to be turned into a horrible inscription shorthand thing
20:52:19 <PleasingFungus> {nevermiss}... :(
20:52:25 <PleasingFungus> also, yeah, we probably don't need two +Fly unrand axes
20:52:51 <wheals_> new unrand: axe of flying
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20:53:00 <wheals_> chequers: are the tab issues still happening
20:53:06 <nicolae-> yeah, the original flavor was that it contained the power of polar winds, and those would help you fly, but then i cut back on the flavor since i tend to get real lengthy and verbose when i do flavorful descriptions (see: the spellbook descriptions that just got cut)
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20:53:22 <wheals> did i get messages
20:53:28 <wheals> no
20:53:35 <chequers> wheals: i haven't tested!
20:53:36 <gammafunk> !tell wheals You are great even without messages
20:53:37 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let wheals know.
20:53:41 <chequers> gammafunk: was complaining too
20:54:00 <wheals> !tell gammafunk that's very kind of you
20:54:01 <Sequell> wheals: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
20:54:06 <PleasingFungus> nicolae-: i am workign on bringing back the best of the spellbook descriptions
20:54:08 <PleasingFungus> and other things
20:54:18 <PleasingFungus> well, other spellbook descriptions.
20:54:22 <wheals> it's annoying we never see that gammafunk guy around anymore, gotta communicate via !tells
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20:54:41 <PleasingFungus> at least we aren't communicating through commit messages....
20:54:41 <gammafunk> he hasn't been around since he died...
20:54:42 <Sequell> gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
20:54:44 <gammafunk> !seend gammafunk
20:54:48 <gammafunk> !seen gammafunk
20:54:48 <Sequell> Sorry gammafunk, that person is dead.
20:54:50 <nicolae-> yeah, i was happy when they went in but tbh when i look at them now i mostly just think "damn those are wordy"
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20:55:05 <wheals> wow rip
20:55:27 <wheals> it's a good thing, he was a bad dev anyway
20:55:34 <nicolae-> the only one i really miss is the gag from i think the young poisoner's handbook, which said that the pages were somewhat toxic and that mages who lick their fingers to turn the pages will soon find themselves quitting the habit one way or another
20:55:48 <PleasingFungus> haha
20:55:52 <PleasingFungus> that sounds like a good one
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20:56:41 <PleasingFungus> %git b1fb4f34
20:56:41 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-14-gb1fb4f3: Update and improve item descriptions 10(2 years, 1 month ago, 1 file, 169+ 261-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b1fb4f348a90
20:56:46 <wheals> he never contributed anything of subtance
20:56:50 <wheals> but enough about me
20:56:58 <PleasingFungus> banana
20:57:00 <PleasingFungus> 
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20:57:01 <PleasingFungus> A delicious yellow fruit, probably grown and imported by some amoral multinational as the result of a corrupt trade deal.
20:57:06 <nicolae-> Political!
20:57:27 <wheals> that could be an eating message
20:57:28 <nicolae-> i also did the double/triple sword descriptions and reflavored harold into One Day From Retirement
20:57:37 <wheals> "That tasted like it was probably grown and imported by some amoral multinational as the result of a corrupt trade deal."
20:57:39 <PleasingFungus> aw, for heaven's sake
20:57:53 <PleasingFungus> my clever idea for the book of beasts' description is just a rip-off of what it had two years ago
20:58:21 <PleasingFungus> lol @ the book of clouds gag there
20:58:58 <nicolae-> given that what it had two years ago is what i wrote i give you permission to rip it off
20:59:19 <PleasingFungus> ??book of hinderance
20:59:19 <Sequell> book of hinderance[1/1]: Confusing Touch, Confuse, Gell's Gravitas, Petrify, Metabolic Englaciation, Yara's Violent Unravelling (0.18+)
20:59:20 <nicolae-> damn, yeah. some of those are flavorful but some of those are just... dial it back nicolae, damn
20:59:33 <PleasingFungus> ^ someone retheme this book for me
20:59:38 <PleasingFungus> since it's clearly not about hinderance
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21:00:24 <nicolae-> well, there's confusion, forced movement, slowing and petrification, and irradiation...
21:00:26 <PleasingFungus> book of control's description was good, so i'm tempted to just steal that
21:00:36 <PleasingFungus> though it's not a perfect fit
21:00:48 <wheals> book of hinderance :v
21:00:54 <PleasingFungus> feh!
21:01:10 <PleasingFungus> right now it claims to be "A spellbook dedicated to the art of slowing the minds and bodies of one's foes", which...
21:01:11 <PleasingFungus> enh
21:01:15 <nicolae-> how many of those are hexes?
21:01:30 <PleasingFungus> everything but petrify, probably
21:01:34 <PleasingFungus> ??gell's gravitas
21:01:34 <Sequell> gell's gravitas[1/1]: L3 (L5 in 0.16-) Hex/Tloc in the books of the Warp and Hinderance. Pulls creatures (excluding the caster) towards a target square (including where you're standing!), smashing them into each other. Affects a larger area with more spellpower.
21:01:38 <PleasingFungus> ??petrify
21:01:38 <Sequell> petrify[1/5]: Turns the target to stone after a brief period of slowness. While it's petrified it takes a lot less damage but can't do anything. Lv. 4 Tmut/Earth, in the books of Hinderance, Geomancy, and Alchemy.
21:01:58 <nicolae-> i wonder if those spells even need to be in the same book if there's no obvious theme
21:02:22 <PleasingFungus> oh god, the careful wording on the old book of geomancy
21:02:34 <PleasingFungus> "It feels quite dense, though no heavier than other spellbooks."
21:02:43 <nicolae-> yeah, lol
21:03:05 <nicolae-> a lot of my spellbook descriptions were worded awkwardly like that so players wouldn't think there was an actual mechanical effect
21:03:20 <PleasingFungus> Some wizards report a stiffness in their fingers while they read, which goes away when the book is closed.
21:03:34 <nicolae-> yep. there's another one.
21:04:45 <PleasingFungus> The spells in this book have been adjusted slightly so they can be sung to the tunes of popular drinking songs.
21:04:49 <PleasingFungus> ^ this is a real loss
21:05:02 <nicolae-> rip
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21:05:45 <amalloy> FR randbooks should have random descriptions, created by applying a markov chain trained on the old/removed spellbook descs
21:06:19 <PleasingFungus> amalloy: sounds like a fun project for you to implement :)
21:06:35 <amalloy> i don't think i'd accept my PR
21:06:51 <nicolae-> if you want i could take a swing at some sufficiently-generic but randomized descriptions
21:06:54 <PleasingFungus> rip
21:07:05 <PleasingFungus> oh no sprunge is down :(
21:07:07 <nicolae-> like a list of a few that would apply to most spellbooks
21:07:34 <PleasingFungus> could be fun!
21:07:40 <PleasingFungus> http://pastebin.com/nAeNvkHK here's what i have for book description rn
21:07:53 <PleasingFungus> i think i sort of ran out of energy, and there's at least one here that is a real stinker
21:07:56 <nicolae-> lol at book of air
21:08:01 <nicolae-> yeah that happens
21:08:14 <nicolae-> i wrote my spellbook descriptions on a real fucked up sleep schedule
21:08:32 <nicolae-> whoo, blade noses is back
21:09:26 <nicolae-> those all seem fine though
21:09:34 <PleasingFungus> i think i'll probably want to run this by marvinpa before pushing it, since he was the one who trimmed stuff in the first place
21:10:29 <nicolae-> a lot of the ones that got cut were real long
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21:13:41 <PleasingFungus> !tell marvinpa thoughts? http://pastebin.com/RjtNmKL8 ps rip sprunge :(
21:13:41 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know.
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21:17:13 <amalloy> !learn add qazlal_reasons A review of Qazlal found on tavern: Qaslal kind of suck btw, but in a sort of fun way.
21:17:13 <Sequell> qazlal reasons[4/4]: A review of Qazlal found on tavern: Qaslal kind of suck btw, but in a sort of fun way.
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21:18:16 <nicolae-> anyway, re: book of hinderance. book of misfortune? calamity? disorder?
21:18:23 <chequers> PleasingFungus: use dpaste
21:18:25 <chequers> fewer ads
21:18:33 <gammafunk> oh, sprunge is gone?
21:18:48 <PleasingFungus> it exceeded its hosting limit
21:18:50 <PleasingFungus> quote un quote
21:19:10 <gammafunk> Why did you send it so many bits?!
21:19:28 <gammafunk> I'll have to try dpaste
21:19:28 <nicolae-> too many killerbytes
21:19:28 <PleasingFungus> im a rud dude
21:19:42 <PleasingFungus> !learn s qazlal_reasons[4] From Tavern: "Qaslal kind of suck btw, but in a sort of fun way."
21:19:43 <Sequell> qazlal reasons[4/4]: From Tavern: "Qaslal kind of suck btw, but in a sort of fun way."
21:19:52 <gammafunk> oh dpaste has syntax
21:19:53 <gammafunk> that's cool
21:19:54 <PleasingFungus> possibly s/From //
21:20:05 <PleasingFungus> nicolae-: i quite like 'misofrtune'
21:20:08 <PleasingFungus> er
21:20:10 <PleasingFungus> i quite like spelling
21:20:13 <nicolae-> ha
21:22:14 <chequers> and an API
21:22:18 <nicolae-> Book of Befuddlement: confusing touch, confuse, mephitic cloud, alistair's intoxication, IMB
21:22:40 <chequers> s/IMB/mass confusion
21:22:54 <nicolae-> that was removed wasn't it
21:23:05 <chequers> oh yeah
21:23:38 <amalloy> i don't really get why you'd use sprunge, or dpaste, or any such thing, for a project that's already on github. just turn the diff into a commit, and link it on github
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21:23:52 <PleasingFungus> i'm lazy
21:25:06 <chequers> just commit it to trunk, if nobody likes it you can just force push to remove the commit :3
21:25:33 <nicolae-> that seems reckless!
21:29:13 <geekosaur> and crawl devs are never reckless >.>
21:30:00 <amalloy> my approach to github is the same as my approach to crawl
21:30:03 <amalloy> just hold down tab
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21:30:39 <PleasingFungus> committing to trunk got me in big trouble exactly once
21:30:45 <PleasingFungus> before amalloy's time
21:32:03 <amalloy> i don't subscribe to the notion that things before my time matter
21:32:19 <PleasingFungus> also i can't find it
21:32:23 <PleasingFungus> so basically it didn't happen
21:32:30 <amalloy> what happened?
21:33:49 <gammafunk> can't be worse than the first day basil had commit access and he broke crawl save compat
21:34:07 <nicolae-> amalloy: you've heard of chernobyl right
21:34:55 <gammafunk> the radiation fallout from that commit led several of us to grow new arms and legs
21:35:03 <gammafunk> basically a bunch of abominations at this point
21:35:29 <gammafunk> dpaste does support syntax, which is good
21:35:37 <gammafunk> for now I'm having my shell function just take an arg for the syntax
21:35:48 <gammafunk> but might be nice to have it guess by file type
21:36:12 <PleasingFungus> amalloy: iirc i pushed a thing where killing hell lords shut off their lords' hell effects, and then people shouted at me until i shrank into a corn cob
21:36:18 <PleasingFungus> *off their hells'
21:36:48 <gammafunk> honestly the dragon's call fiasco was bigger
21:37:14 <nicolae-> what was that one
21:37:18 <gammafunk> also dpaste has diff as a supported syntax, so even the old sprunge thing with diff urls can be had
21:37:21 <PleasingFungus> lmao
21:37:58 <PleasingFungus> nicolae-: i pushed a friend's cool commit that made dcall have a power boost when in dform, and then mpa reverted it, and then i argued with gammafunk and him for about an hour straight
21:38:01 <PleasingFungus> maybe two hours
21:38:32 <PleasingFungus> i'm still mad about that, btw.
21:38:34 <nicolae-> ouch
21:38:56 <Zibudo> Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone wanted to help me make my server official in time for the tournament?
21:39:10 <gammafunk> oh, yeah, I was hoping |amethyst would stop by again
21:39:16 <gammafunk> but he's still away
21:39:36 <miek_> what actually needs to be done to make it official? just add the servers to sequell?
21:39:39 <gammafunk> I don't really see any harm in making it an official server at this point
21:39:59 <gammafunk> well it needs to be able to do some things
21:40:08 <gammafunk> Zibudo: how are the rebuilds of trunk working, they're enabled at this point?
21:40:48 <Zibudo> yea it updates trunk and removes the hold ones fine, it checks hourly
21:40:49 <gammafunk> by enabled, I mean set to happen automatically, but it's important that you can rebuild easilly, and it's nice if you can do likewise for stable
21:41:03 <Zibudo> do i have to check stable too?
21:41:12 <gammafunk> it's good to do, since we backport fixes
21:41:16 <gammafunk> and there are point releases
21:41:17 <Zibudo> ah
21:41:24 <gammafunk> obviously most of the time there are no changes
21:41:25 <Zibudo> ill add it in to the script then
21:41:36 <gammafunk> Are you planning to set up console support?
21:41:50 <Zibudo> eventually, adding it in within a week when I get a chance
21:41:55 <gammafunk> that's great
21:42:27 <Zibudo> I know I had to enable wiz mode but was unsure how
21:44:23 <gammafunk> Zibudo: yeah, I forget how you set that in dgl
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21:44:42 <chequers> what's the server called?
21:44:47 <gammafunk> Zibudo: having the rebuild CGI script set up is a good idea
21:45:06 <chequers> should be added to learndb now regardless of if it becomes official
21:45:06 <chequers> ??cbzz
21:45:06 <Sequell> CBZZ[1/1]: http://crawl.buzz - NJ, USA. Run by syndicus.
21:45:06 <Zibudo> server is https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks:8081/
21:45:12 <gammafunk> Zibudo: trigger-rebuild.pl
21:45:22 <chequers> ??zibudo
21:45:22 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled zibudo in my learndb.
21:45:31 <chequers> !learn add zibudo runs {cjr}
21:45:32 <Sequell> zibudo[1/1]: runs {cjr}
21:45:45 <chequers> well, is that the acronym you want to use?
21:45:51 <Zibudo> gammafunk: I know of the file, but what do you want me to do with it
21:45:59 <Zibudo> chequers: that's good
21:46:02 <gammafunk> well to have it working
21:46:18 <geekosaur> [21 01:42] <PleasingFungus> [01:37:57] nicolae-: i pushed a friend's cool commit that made dcall have a power boost when in dform, and then mpa reverted it, and then i argued with gammafunk and him for about an hour straight
21:46:26 <gammafunk> Zibudo: step 12.5 in the guide
21:46:26 <geekosaur> at least you haven
21:46:39 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1789-gbeff17f: Changelog through 0.18-a0-1788-g92de1ac 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/beff17fe7e72
21:46:44 <geekosaur> at least you haven't had (or been subject to) some of 1kb's revert wars >.>
21:46:53 <PleasingFungus> technically
21:46:57 <PleasingFungus> i won the last 1kb revert war
21:47:08 <geekosaur> oh, you were here for that?
21:47:28 <gammafunk> I think geekosaur means forest dispersal
21:47:37 <geekosaur> (I... can't say I miss someone who thinks that's a good way to do things)
21:48:06 <gammafunk> or maybe not, since those changes weren't reverted, I guess
21:48:30 <chequers> Zibudo: where is it hosted again? Ottawa?
21:48:31 <PleasingFungus> i'm being a little silly
21:48:54 <Zibudo> chequers: I forget location, it's in french Canada near US border next to a great lake
21:48:57 <PleasingFungus> but also i forgot I got doy to do the find-replace, so my name isn't actually on the commit
21:48:59 <PleasingFungus> %git 739c3b2d43d850d62e6b88cac352ce53278405ad
21:48:59 <Cheibriados> 07doy02 * 0.16-a0-966-g739c3b2: re-insult anyone with the slightest clue about how RL weapons work 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 65 files, 117+ 117-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/739c3b2d43d8
21:49:09 <chequers> somewhere in quebec
21:49:49 <PleasingFungus> also
21:49:49 <Zibudo> I think this one is Toronto, the company is french tho ovh
21:49:50 <PleasingFungus> %git 8182b86013c63d1e608b77764b1699f4132bfdcb
21:49:50 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 {wheals} * 0.15-a0-434-g8182b86: Rename the bow of Krishna to the longbow of Vishnu 10(2 years ago, 8 files, 17+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8182b86013c6
21:49:53 <PleasingFungus> ^ this very dumb commit description
21:50:00 <chequers> https://www.ovh.com/us/news/articles/a1542.ovh-bhs-datacenter-it-quebec-canada
21:50:04 <chequers> Zibudo: I belive it's hosted in this DC
21:50:11 <PleasingFungus> %git 760fa4c071a23844d6418775934f0d9efbba724c
21:50:11 <Cheibriados> 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1541-g760fa4c: Bastardize double swords. 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 42 files, 60+ 203-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/760fa4c071a2
21:50:12 <chequers> based on your info and what I see with traceroute
21:50:41 <gammafunk> Zibudo: do you have public urls for the logfile and milestone file? We'll need to give those to green.snark
21:50:49 <Zibudo> chequers: probably right
21:50:50 <gammafunk> then there's cao scoring, which I don't really know how to mess with
21:51:51 <chequers> !learn add cjr https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/ Hosted in Montreal by {zibudo}
21:51:51 <Sequell> cjr[1/1]: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/ Hosted in Montreal by {zibudo}
21:51:57 <chequers> !learn set cjr https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/ Hosted in Montreal by Zibudo
21:51:58 <Sequell> cjr[1/1]: https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/ Hosted in Montreal by Zibudo
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21:52:03 <PleasingFungus> don't we already have a cj.
21:52:08 <chequers> there you go, I won't forget it now
21:52:13 <PleasingFungus> or am i confused
21:52:15 <PleasingFungus> ??servers
21:52:15 <Sequell> servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo}
21:52:17 <gammafunk> a server? no
21:52:20 <PleasingFungus> i am confused
21:52:25 <PleasingFungus> good
21:52:29 <chequers> used to be CKR
21:52:41 <PleasingFungus> remember the finnish server
21:52:43 <gammafunk> yeah, old south korean server was ckr
21:52:51 <chequers> RHF
21:53:07 <chequers> that was very old though. like 0.7 old
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21:54:38 <gammafunk> xaibudo: What's the public url for the logfile and milestone files for what we're now calling cjr?
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21:55:26 <gammafunk> maybe Medar remembers how to set up the admin stuff for dgl so devs can get wizmode and rebuilds
21:55:57 <gammafunk> I think you have to make us dgl admins and then there's a config.py change as well?
21:56:14 <xaibudo> do you have an example url for logfiles and milestones files?
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21:58:24 <chequers> xaibudo: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/logfile15
21:58:28 <gammafunk> xaibudo: for cbro: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/
21:58:55 <gammafunk> xaibudo: you'll need to have rcfiles, morgues, and ttyrecs available in general (esp rc files for tourney)
21:59:04 <xaibudo> i have those available
21:59:12 <gammafunk> xaibudo: here are cbros meta dirs: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/meta/
21:59:23 <xaibudo> i think i have the milestones and log files up too i just gotta get the url to work with perms
21:59:25 <gammafunk> a dir for each installed version (you see many exp. branches on cbro)
21:59:43 <gammafunk> xaibudo: what's the url I use to see the rcfiles etc on cjr?
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22:00:11 <xaibudo> currently this: http://www.jorgrun.rocks/rcfiles/
22:00:59 <gammafunk> nice morgue page
22:01:12 <gammafunk> "Here are all the times gammafunk was bad
22:01:14 <gammafunk> "
22:01:26 <gammafunk> note the listing is empty, as it should be
22:02:47 <xaibudo> oh your page isn't done
22:02:50 <xaibudo> check Gramm
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22:02:58 <xaibudo> I am making it nicer and adding server specific high scores
22:02:58 <gammafunk> yeah I know, I haven't played a game yet
22:03:11 <xaibudo> oh i mean the code is different
22:03:24 <chequers> nice job adding ssl cert too btw
22:03:36 <xaibudo> yea I think it's an A on ssl labs
22:03:42 <chequers> americans have been playing on CPO since no north american server has SSL right now
22:03:45 <xaibudo> I even have email at admin@jorgun.rocks
22:03:55 <chequers> email whats that
22:04:18 <xaibudo> what?
22:04:34 <xaibudo> http://www.jorgrun.rocks/meta/ is this it?
22:04:40 <xaibudo> log files and miles?
22:04:44 <chequers> yep
22:04:52 <gammafunk> yeah looks good
22:05:01 <chequers> i'm not sure what scores is though. looks like a hardlink to logfile
22:05:22 <xaibudo> they are just sym links from the guide
22:05:34 <xaibudo> step 13.7
22:05:42 <chequers> ah ok
22:05:42 <gammafunk> maybe one of the services uses that for some reason
22:06:13 <gammafunk> xaibudo: to give devs/yourself only wizmode access, we need to set up a dgl admin group, but I don't recall the details there
22:06:34 <xaibudo> as in a group on my server or a group in a config file?
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22:07:02 <gammafunk> I think in the dgl database that gets created? The one that holds the installed versions etc
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22:07:20 <gammafunk> and there is something that goes in config.py was well wrt launching the right binary, I want to say
22:07:31 <xaibudo> there are a few databases: do you mean this one? crawl-versions.db3
22:07:32 <gammafunk> this is less critical, but good to have eventually
22:08:06 <xaibudo> yea i have a few friends who play crawl micro managing me on everything i need to set up
22:08:13 <xaibudo> so i am getting a lot of small things done
22:08:53 <chequers> :)
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22:09:17 <gammafunk> !tell Medar Do you remember how to set up wizmode/rebuild/save access on dgl-based servers? xaidbudo is setting up a new server, cjr, and needs help there
22:09:18 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let medar know.
22:09:29 <gammafunk> and maybe TZer0 remembers?
22:09:37 <gammafunk> !tell TZer0 Do you remember how to set up wizmode/rebuild/save access on dgl-based servers? xaidbudo is setting up a new server, cjr, and needs help there
22:09:37 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let tzer0 know.
22:09:40 <gammafunk> he loves messages
22:10:00 <gammafunk> So I guess we can add you to sequell at any time, there's just the problem of cao scoring
22:10:08 <gammafunk> for the tourney you would also be fine
22:10:11 <xaibudo> I wish i knew how you did that lol
22:10:15 <xaibudo> I am currently parsing the morgue files
22:10:19 <xaibudo> with a script
22:10:24 <xaibudo> to add it into a databse
22:10:33 <gammafunk> oh, well sequell does this as well
22:10:35 <gammafunk> ??sequell
22:10:35 <Sequell> sequell[1/4]: The ##crawl bot, handling game statistics, the {learndb}, and more. Operated by greensnark. See http://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md  If you want the source, go here: http://github.com/crawl/sequell
22:10:37 <chequers> you're parsing morgue files??
22:10:42 <chequers> is the code for that public?
22:10:46 <gammafunk> yeah, parse the logfile
22:10:47 <xaibudo> I didn't know!
22:10:48 <gammafunk> not morgue files
22:10:53 <gammafunk> that's why the logfile exists
22:10:57 <chequers> so many people say they'll implement morgue files, then disappear without any code
22:11:08 <xaibudo> wait, does it exist?
22:11:11 <chequers> well, there's a lot of data in the morgue file that's not in logfile/milestones
22:11:19 <gammafunk> xaibudo: you just found it on your server, remember?
22:11:31 <gammafunk> http://www.jorgrun.rocks/meta/git/logfile
22:11:35 <xaibudo> no I understand that
22:11:37 <gammafunk> each line is a completed game
22:11:44 <xaibudo> but is it alright to parse the morgue?
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22:11:56 <gammafunk> well, do you need something that's not in the logfile?
22:12:07 <gammafunk> if the fields you want are in the logfile, definitely use that I'd say
22:12:21 <chequers> where's the crawl code that steps down skill points gained as you increase XL?
22:12:55 <gammafunk> !source exp_needed
22:12:56 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l3656
22:13:12 <gammafunk> chequers: ^ is probably what you want
22:13:47 <chequers> gammafunk: hm. what I mean is when I quaff !xp at XL27, the skill points I can gain seem smaller than if I quaffed it at XL1
22:14:58 <gammafunk> yeah, that's a known issue, but there are some complications with fixing it iirc
22:15:19 <xaibudo> yeah there are stats the log doesn't have so ill continue parsing the morgue file
22:15:35 <chequers> xaibudo: please post code for that, I'm interested
22:16:07 <xaibudo> chequers: it's kinda autistic cuz of the way I am doing it, but I'll post when done
22:16:12 <chequers> gammafunk: kewl
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22:16:27 <chequers> xaibudo: i don't think there's a sane way to parse a file format designed for humans
22:16:42 <xaibudo> chequers: very true
22:16:58 <chequers> xaibudo: I wrote some code to parse the actions table, maybe you'll find it helpful https://gist.github.com/alexjurkiewicz/2ff515578cda9a2d268b
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22:18:09 <xaibudo> chequers: similar way, mine will be in php so I can do mysql stuff more easily
22:18:21 <chequers> nobody's perfect
22:18:25 <chequers> :)
22:18:40 <xaibudo> ^
22:19:02 <minqmay> !vault hangedman_arrow_trap
22:19:02 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#l3808
22:19:41 <minqmay> i dont understand why this has @s
22:20:10 <chequers> maybe the idea is the arrow points to the rest of the level?
22:20:52 <minqmay> but it's float, won't it end up somewhere in the middle of the level most of the time?
22:21:43 <chequers> it's the only place you can actually get out -- the rest of the walls look diggable but aren't. I dunno, that's my interpretation
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22:24:36 <chequers> i wonder what the longest user name in sequell's database is
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22:26:20 <minqmay> huh? if the rest of the walls are undiggable then you certainly can't get out via the @s from inside the vault
22:26:34 <minqmay> you would have to dig walls to even reach them
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22:27:21 <chequers> what I mean is, to the player it looks like a lot of the walls are diggable. But only one place can truly get out of the vault
22:28:33 <chequers> so a player would enter this area, explore it, and realise that the arrow is pointing the way out, if they can dig
22:28:54 <chequers> anyway, I don't think the vault design fits modern crawl
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22:30:43 <minqmay> wow that's even worse
22:30:50 <minqmay> I thought they were just supposed to use different stairs
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22:32:19 <travis-ci> The build is still failing. (master - beff17f #5304 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/124637126
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22:44:32 <PleasingFungus> !lg * killer~~tzi
22:44:33 <Sequell> 104. tedric the Shatterer (L27 OgAM of The Shining One), slain by a Tzitzimitl (called by a doom hound) on Tar:5 on 2016-04-18 02:49:06, with 702245 points after 72348 turns and 7:17:37.
22:44:37 <PleasingFungus> !lg * killer~~tzitzi
22:44:37 <Sequell> 6. tedric the Shatterer (L27 OgAM of The Shining One), slain by a Tzitzimitl (called by a doom hound) on Tar:5 on 2016-04-18 02:49:06, with 702245 points after 72348 turns and 7:17:37.
22:44:50 <PleasingFungus> !lg * killer~~tzi killer!~tzitzi
22:44:52 <Sequell> 98. TunaFishCan the Chopper (L7 DsFi of Gozag), slain by Ketziah's ghost on D:6 on 2016-02-23 06:10:24, with 814 points after 5925 turns and 0:14:52.
22:44:55 <PleasingFungus> huh
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23:13:03 <regret-index> the undiggable portion of _arrow_trap is because of %git 89316f41220105
23:13:16 <regret-index> %git 89316f41220105
23:13:16 <Cheibriados> 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-648-g89316f41: Adjust select Depths vaults to try and reduce monster digging problems (minmay) 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 4 files, 663+ 656-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/89316f412201
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23:13:41 <PleasingFungus> ha, it's all minmay's fault...
23:14:04 <regret-index> the @s were attached to the vault before this. probably, they should be removed.
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23:15:08 <chequers> 30 seconds late
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23:21:50 <PleasingFungus> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-20-april-2016 blog post up
23:22:56 <minqmay> lol
23:23:15 <minqmay> i just found a bunch of vaults i made and never submitted
23:23:25 <PleasingFungus> awesome
23:24:15 <minqmay> no
23:24:23 <PleasingFungus> super awesome...?
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23:26:15 <minqmay> super no
23:27:00 <minqmay> apparently i actually started on that sprint map where you pick up the orb on turn 0 but the stairs up are under a diamond obelisk that you have to kill
23:27:08 <PleasingFungus> that seems
23:27:09 <PleasingFungus> difficult
23:27:40 <Cheibriados> diamond obelisk (008) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 8 | HP: 7830-10000 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind | XP: 0 | Sz: Large | Int: human.

23:27:40 <jefus> %??diamond obelisk
23:27:46 <jefus> np
23:28:09 <minqmay> nice to see their hp is randomized now
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23:28:34 <PleasingFungus> hrm, that's odd
23:28:39 <PleasingFungus> i wonder why it'd cap at 10k
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23:29:07 <PleasingFungus> average should be 96k...
23:29:15 <PleasingFungus> Not That It Matters, but!
23:29:16 <minqmay> oh hey this is where minmay_zot_titanic went
23:29:42 <minqmay> also the volcano with a hellion
23:30:12 <PleasingFungus> lol
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23:31:06 <PleasingFungus> probably a display thing, I guess
23:31:25 <minqmay> http://pastebin.com/y1inBH35
23:31:55 <PleasingFungus> rude comment, imo
23:33:39 <chequers> awesome
23:34:00 <PleasingFungus> chequers: i hope this is inspiring you...
23:34:30 <chequers> i'm going to create a shoals map, but you enter it underwater! And it's the titanic! and you have to exit the titanic to get to the altars
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23:35:29 <minqmay> i dont think a vault based entirely on a terrible pun has any place outside of zot
23:35:50 <PleasingFungus> why are there altars
23:36:28 <chequers> i was going to say temple, but then i realised you can't have sea monsters, but then i forgot to remove altars after I updated the start of the line
23:37:03 <minqmay> also i made that back when titans could airstrike through glass
23:37:22 <minqmay> but don't change it to grates
23:43:38 <johnstein> not sure what acutally uses the score files, but I always link them cos that's how I roll
23:44:38 <johnstein> I always meant to update the dgameluanch guide on how to set up the rebuild/save access. I should try to do that
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23:47:06 <gammafunk> johnstein: oh, yeah, if you remember how to set up admins, that would be great
23:47:22 <gammafunk> johnstein: isn't there some special dgl thing you have to set up, then config.py needs to know about wizmode?
23:47:44 <johnstein> reading through my notes
23:47:53 <gammafunk> I should have asked johnstein....but I forgot...that johnstein.....even existed.....:(
23:47:58 <PleasingFungus> rip
23:47:58 <Sequell> rip
23:48:02 <johnstein> rip
23:48:31 <johnstein> it's ok. I have no clue what I'm doing. I was just really good at asking |amythest questions and good at doing exactly what he suggested
23:48:50 <gammafunk> yeah, that is one of neil's superpowers
23:49:10 <johnstein> dgl admin add <name>
23:49:16 <johnstein> that's how you add folks as admins
23:49:18 <johnstein> well
23:49:23 <johnstein> let me give you a proper command
23:49:26 <gammafunk> ok, so it's something in the dgl script suite
23:49:28 <johnstein> ??dgamelaunch[3
23:49:28 <Sequell> dgl[3/3]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles
23:50:06 <johnstein> sudo /home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/bin/dgl admin add <name>
23:50:12 <johnstein> not sure if you need sudo for that
23:50:45 <johnstein> I think once you do that, the wizmode thing will work, assuming you have the right build flags
23:51:12 <gammafunk> oh, so there's no special config.py thing for wizmode
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23:53:04 <johnstein> trying to remember. looking through the stuff
23:54:28 <doy> rip randliches ):
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23:56:04 <gammafunk> sorry doy
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23:56:54 <PleasingFungus> they had a good run
23:57:27 <johnstein> gammafunk, the magic happens in dgamelaunch-config/chroot/bin/crawl-stable-launcher.sh
23:57:44 <johnstein> if user-is-admin; then
23:57:45 <johnstein> set -- "$@" -wizard
23:57:45 <johnstein> fi
23:57:45 <johnstein> if [ "${WIZ}" == "1" ]; then
23:57:45 <johnstein> set -- "$@" -wizard
23:57:45 <johnstein> fi
23:57:52 <chequers> doy: did you add randspellbook support?
23:57:59 <johnstein> so once the dgl is added, you should be good for wizmode
23:58:03 <chequers> doy: did you ever consider making the spells visible to the player?
23:58:27 <gammafunk> johnstein: true story, I'm an idiot and read that path as a url, and clicked to open it as a hyperlink from my terminal
23:58:31 <johnstein> the rebuild stuff is more convoluted and requires apache redirect magic, which I have copius notes and chat logs, but never went back and extracted the Good Stuff
23:58:44 <gammafunk> apparently it tried to run it as a shell command and gave me a new terminal window
23:58:47 <johnstein> gammafunk, well, that proves it's not real magic :C
23:59:13 <johnstein> I suppose I should update the wiki with these juicy nuggets
23:59:29 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1789-gbeff17f (34)
23:59:41 <johnstein> !tell xaibudo remember to updated the dgamelaunch wiki if you found errors or better ways to do this stuff! Thanks!
23:59:41 <Sequell> johnstein: OK, I'll let xaibudo know.