00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:05 -!- neurodan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:11:26 -!- Shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:11:48 -!- JChrist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:13:49 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:16:39 -!- Kipster has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:18:15 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:34 I ping most of the servers for my version of the tourney scripts, so yea, it would be a bit problematic for me at lease 00:18:35 least 00:20:24 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:25:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:29:43 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1747-g18c4181 (34) 00:29:52 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:25 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:18 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:23 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:34:29 elliptic: tourney question -- it seems the scripts attempt to add crash milestones to the tourney database, and I just had one where the noun was longer than the database column 00:34:45 what's the intended behaviour here? should these records be skipped? 00:35:16 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:35:19 the string being "ASSERT(range >= 0) in 'beam.cc' at line 613 failed. (beam 'puff of flame', source 'tengu conjurer', item 'none'; has range -1)" 00:35:26 and the column being VARCHAR(100) 00:35:37 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 00:38:03 elliptic: ah. I'm wondering if the tourney mysqld has a setting to silently truncate these columns 00:39:39 elliptic: i'm guessing the mysqld currently in use is not running strict sql mode, which is enabled in newer mysql versions 00:41:26 i guess i'll increase the max column length for simplicity 00:42:34 -!- jefus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:43:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:44:23 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:44:46 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:45:12 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:45:15 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:46:59 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:47 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:19 -!- EriktheRed___ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 00:54:19 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:54:47 -!- hellmonk__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:56:30 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:57:04 !tell johnstein re sso, here's a thing I wrote earlier today: http://pastebin.com/K5Stsfdf . User 'Floodkiller' is doing some planning: http://i.imgur.com/34SVhhf.png 00:57:04 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 00:57:32 !tell johnstein (that's all in the SA thread - not currently publicly accessible, but it's http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3750248&perpage=40&pagenumber=129#post458603749 if you have an account) 00:57:32 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 00:58:52 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:17 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:07:04 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:08:40 floodkiller was in this channel earlier 01:08:53 in fact, they're in it... right now 01:09:17 fwiw, I would vote to use the existing mantis auth as a backend 01:10:36 i think Floodkiller's design might be a bit overkill -- my vote is for users to own an account name across all servers 01:11:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1747-g18c4181 (34) 01:12:06 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:12:42 I suppose the design of name-per-server is very region-like, eg like blizzard regions 01:15:26 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:17:11 approx. how much disk space do cszo's ttyrecs add up to? 01:18:02 !lg * cszo 01:18:03 1263784. paul the Infuser (L7 DECj of Vehumet), slain by a hill giant (a +0 giant club) on D:6 on 2016-04-11 21:46:42, with 969 points after 6892 turns and 0:17:02. 01:18:03 !lg * cpo 01:18:04 32384. Balimanorgath the Grave Robber (L6 DDNe of Makhleb), slain by an orc warrior (a +0 war axe) on D:4 on 2016-04-12 05:00:58, with 360 points after 3907 turns and 0:45:00. 01:18:31 oh, hm, i don't have a good way to estimate it 01:20:40 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:22:03 ...probably more than the 4 TB I have available anyway 01:22:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:22:37 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:23:07 -!- flappity_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:24:59 it's cheap to mirror on s3 if you wanted to make a public backup 01:25:08 4tb would be like $40/mo 01:33:09 oh. 01:33:22 ??crawl servers 01:33:22 I don't have a page labeled crawl_servers in my learndb. 01:33:26 ??servers 01:33:26 servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cbro}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo} 01:33:31 apparently staves of power still give a 50% mp boost in circus animals 01:33:35 ??cue 01:33:36 cue[1/4]: European Crawl server, located in Germany. http://underhound.eu:8080/ or underhound.eu, port 22, username: terminal, key: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk See {putty} for Windows users. Runs 0.10-0.17 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut). Formely known as CLAN. 01:33:36 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:40 I'm now a proud hacj with 102 mp 01:33:44 ??staff of power 01:33:44 staff of power[1/1]: Gives 5 + 0.4*maxmp extra mp. The staff has its own supply of MP, which depletes rapidly when not wielded. So you can switch weapons without losing MP, but leave it in your backpack too long, and you'll find it empty again. In 0.17, gives a flat 15 mp instead and doesn't have its own cache. 01:33:57 minmay: looks like current cszo ttyrecs are about 260GB 01:34:29 Can I transfer my 0.17 cszo game to cao? or another server? (DEFINITELYNOTMATTIAS) 01:35:04 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:35:04 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:35:07 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 01:35:12 CanOfWorms: rings of magic do that too in dcss-ca 01:35:34 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:36:06 if you think that something would be incredibly silly in circus animals, it probably is 01:36:18 my favourite was root-on-will vine stalkers 01:37:09 I think there's talk of possibly coordinating save transfer Mattias, but we don't have a timeline and I wouldn't get your hopes up 01:37:38 saving my data from cszo now 01:38:55 ??cwc 01:38:55 I don't have a page labeled cwc in my learndb. Did you mean: coc, cwz, cxc, cyc. 01:38:57 ??cwz 01:38:58 cwz[1/1]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by hong on irc. http://webzook.net:8080/ 01:39:04 !lm * cszo lastweek x=cdist(name) 01:39:07 31599 milestones for * (cszo lastweek): cdist(name)=467 01:39:11 gammafunk: It would have been nice with a notification, started on cszo a few days ago and in over 3 years last night I finally got to almost 3 runes and a very strong character :( 01:39:18 what's silly in circus animals is that have a hacj with I think 60 spellpower magic dart 01:39:19 Maybe I missed the notice 01:39:48 Mattias: There was no notification because an incident was involved and the admin decided enough was enough wrt running the server 01:39:50 pretty sure it's like 1d20 damage darts at this point 01:40:05 gammafunk: oh, was it about the thing yesterday? Someone created an account? 01:40:22 https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4eczzm/sz_offline/ 01:40:30 you can read some details there 01:40:30 gammafunk: huh, well in that case I'm really tempted to press enter on this wget 01:40:31 yeah that's a good summary 01:40:33 Thanks :) 01:40:52 minmay: Oh, you just want a backup in case? they're still playable on footv 01:40:52 sad that this is happening 01:41:18 yeah I know they're still playable on footv but I'd like a local copy 01:41:31 guess the tourney goes back to cao? 01:41:49 It was really sad how all those cdo ttyrecs got lost, but I don't think we're going to lose the cszo ones any time son 01:41:52 *soon 01:42:55 Can't this happen on another server? And what about each account generating a unique key, and to see if the nick is identical, when create the same name on another server you can fill in that key there to say that this is me. 01:43:01 zxc: think of it this way, there are still more crawl servers around than there were when cszo was first added 01:43:10 minmay: still sad 01:43:47 Mattias: fixing the root problem has a bunch of possible solutions, all requiring a lot of time and effort 01:44:19 Great, I'll take a look at it. Need to see how that part of the code looks like first 01:45:15 !tell johnstein I'm running beem (see ??beem for the repo) on cbro and cao right now. It would be cool to run it from somewhere other than my machine, but I'd probably need shell access to pull repo changes and reconfigure as various bugs are still getting fixed 01:45:16 gammafunk: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 01:45:30 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:46:19 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: o7] 01:46:39 Mattias: unfortunately, a lot of the work is infrastructure work that isn't easily visible to people outside the dev team 01:46:57 eg, setting up the central auth system so it's reliable 01:47:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:48:08 chequers: I was thinking something easier at first, that unique code. Just need to see how the queries works, they'd have to take into account the nickname and unique code as well after that. 01:49:16 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:49:22 right, well you need a way to different servers to communicate, right? and how do you deal with existing users? and any cases where the same username is actively used by two people on different servers? 01:49:30 !tell johnstein But it can run from anywhere (e.g. dbro) that connect to freenode, and after it stabilized it wouldn't need much monitoring 01:49:31 gammafunk: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 01:49:48 not to dishearten you, because contribution is good, just that SSO might be one of the fiddliest projects to implement 01:50:19 I think the discussion there was to maybe pick the first server where the account was registered and a game was played 01:50:32 but what to actually do about the other username is a problem still 01:50:43 chequers: migration will take care of existing users, just set a unique code for all users. And yeah, I still haven't looked at the code for this so I might see another solution later on 01:50:54 We'd get to rename Lasty's account! We could hold a raffle 01:53:36 you might have to pay people to take tickets 01:56:03 Lasty has enough enemies that I doubt it 01:56:12 heck, I think all devs do 01:56:35 i'm universally loved 01:57:01 except i guess that guy i banned from /r/dcss for a week probably would kill me if he could 01:57:24 Taking old reddit is a bold move 01:57:30 s/old/on/ 01:58:55 banning someone from an internet forum for a week is certainly worthy of murderous retribution, yes 01:59:00 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:59:24 as is banning someone from cszo 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:07 streak murdering: punishable by death in the USA 02:02:38 gammafunk: are you back? welcome back btw 02:02:51 probly just a griefer, chequers 02:03:20 logging in to ruin gammafunk's streak of semi-coherent discussion 02:04:07 I don't think Cheibriados is a strong god, how's that for coherent! 02:04:29 doesn't make any sense 02:04:29 But I'm just "around and doing some things", I still don't have a lot of time for dev 02:04:31 let's see if he suggests HeSu as a god-tier combo or not 02:04:43 Su is a god-tier combo 02:04:57 -!- trillassmofugger has quit [Client Quit] 02:04:58 the power of S and the sleek elegance of u -- i mean, what? 02:05:20 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:05:42 Well unicorns are very sleek and elegant, I would think! 02:05:50 I'm glad to be around to hear more crawl strategy from chequers though 02:05:54 ??cao 02:05:54 cao[1/2]: Crawl server, located in Phoenix, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 02:06:00 ??cdo 02:06:01 cdo[1/4]: Crawl server (also running 4.1), located in Germany, crawl.develz.org, telnet port 345 or ssh port 22, ssh-username: crawl, ssh-key necessary: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key (openssh) or http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk (putty) 02:06:17 -!- FireSight has quit [] 02:07:00 i don't think i've prognosticated on crawl strategy for a while 02:07:11 but if you'd like to hear some of my thoughts... *clears throat* 02:07:24 -!- gammafunk has left ##crawl-dev 02:07:24 rip 02:07:24 this'll be good 02:07:26 demolished 02:07:30 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:55 I wonder 02:08:24 .splatratio devteamnp 02:08:26 % of xl17 chars killed : 3/61x elliptic [4.92%], 1/17x gammafunk [5.88%], 4/40x amalloy [10.00%], 9/42x Medar [21.43%], 3/13x MarvinPA [23.08%], 3/9x doy [33.33%], 44/119x Lasty [36.97%], 14/27x dpeg [51.85%], 5/7x wheals [71.43%], 13/18x reaver [72.22%], 9/10x neil [90.00%] 02:08:44 oh, amalloy has lost a few! 02:08:54 .splatratio Cheibriados 02:08:55 No games for Cheibriados (((name=gammafunk !gfspeed || name!=gammafunk)) !boring xl>=17 recent). 02:08:55 er 02:08:59 .splatratio chequers 02:09:00 % of xl17 chars killed : 49/59x chequers [83.05%] 02:09:05 that hasn't changed, I see 02:09:12 !lm . orb !won 02:09:13 1. [2015-11-08 00:51:24] amalloy the End of an Era (L27 FoAr of Qazlal) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 02:09:16 the true metric of failure 02:09:22 oh, orb run death 02:09:48 It's Q, that's always an excuse 02:10:00 it was my fault, of course, not Q's 02:10:10 !lm . orb !won 02:10:11 1. [2015-04-09 14:08:40] nikheizen the Impregnable (L27 FoEE of Makhleb) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 02:10:15 Orb tele? 02:10:18 !lg . foar 02:10:19 1. amalloy the Formicid Cataclysm (L27 FoAr of Qazlal), blasted by Qurch the pandemonium lord (chain lightning) on Depths:5 on 2015-11-08 00:55:02, with 637206 points after 76381 turns and 6:26:43. 02:10:22 I couldn't exactly call it a ninja 02:10:30 oh, right that was just the milestone 02:10:38 he killed me with chain lightning, using fulminant prism as the anchor 02:10:54 it was magnificent 02:11:10 My FoEE death had zot traps on both lung entrances; NOT magnificient. 02:11:25 I came somewhat close on an orb run a few games back, shadow fiend tormented me when I started to attack it with range 02:11:26 i died while walking up the stairs 02:11:37 and the turn it tormented me an unseen pan lord came into los and firestormed me 02:11:46 !lm gammafunk orb !won 02:11:47 4. [2015-11-19 04:03:02] gammafunk the Demonologist (L24 MuSu of Sif Muna) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 02:11:55 that was orb ninja hijinks 02:11:57 !lm gammafunk orb !won !gfspeed 02:11:58 2. [2015-03-05 02:51:24] gammafunk the Imperceptible (L25 SpEn of Ashenzari) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 02:12:04 as was that 02:12:11 I really need to practice those more offline 02:12:13 i remember the musu. i was watching 02:12:32 all avoidable deaths even given the "ninja", the spen was really silly 02:12:42 could have just walked out with disjunction 02:13:32 chequers: I think fields that are too long are truncated, but I could be wrong... I'm not really a (my)sql expert 02:14:24 yep, you're correct, I fixed it by changing tourney scripts to explicitly disable strict mode 02:14:32 chequers: I'd say that truncating is generally better than skipping those rows, but it shouldn't really matter... increasing the length is fine too 02:14:46 just about to put up a tourney demo of 0.17 with the new UI 02:15:05 unfortunately I didn't keep logs from ##crawl-tourney so I don't remember the unactioned feedback from last time 02:15:24 but there are a few commits from after the call was made not to use bootstrap, so hopefully they have all the fixes :) 02:15:49 -!- Alatreon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:15:50 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 02:16:22 Sounds like there's a bit more time to get feedback/tweak compared to last time 02:16:39 here's hoping! 02:16:45 we're still a week from the freeze I think 02:16:58 oh the date was picked? I need to get my vaults in!! 02:17:00 well not a week but we're not even at the freeze 02:17:10 I think either the 16th or 18th was mentioned 02:17:21 yeah I can take a look at those tomorrow 02:18:28 thank deity 02:20:56 my first Tzitzimitl sighting! 02:21:18 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:21:22 -!- Implojin has quit [Client Quit] 02:21:32 Did you pronounce the name correctly? Be honest. 02:21:44 i wish the tile was tweaked so I remember they're different 02:22:09 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 02:23:11 I'll get on that 02:23:19 after the howler monkey since those are easier to make 02:25:07 https://crawl.project357.org/static/html.tourney0.17/index.html 02:25:20 bootstrap tourney sample (some links broken, but all pages are there) 02:27:53 gammafunk: i pronounced it...guilty. its sentence is death 02:27:54 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:28:47 PleasingFungus & elliptic https://crawl.project357.org/static/html.tourney0.17/index.html 02:29:45 Cool! Funny contrast between the top banner & the title text below it. 02:44:29 yeah, ideally '0.17 tournament' would also be an image 02:54:16 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:55:25 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 02:56:21 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 02:58:12 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 02:58:18 so what exactly happened with czo? 02:58:36 i heard something about a dude that was breaking people's streals 02:58:38 streaks* 02:58:40 -!- glaas has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:58:59 https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4eczzm/sz_offline/ 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:20 so dude that was hosting it just got mad at the griefer 03:02:39 -!- zarath9 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:03:08 don't jump to conclusions. I'm sure it wasn't a hasty or simple decision 03:04:45 i'm not blaming or something 03:06:43 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:51 2 friendly battlespheres 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10356 by nubinia 03:10:53 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:12:03 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:22:42 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1747-g18c4181 (34) 03:23:00 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:24:15 -!- mopl_away is now known as mopl 03:26:29 namelastname112: i had a dream that i was swallowed by a toilet 03:26:58 minmay can you consider it a nightmare 03:30:42 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:43 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:39:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:42:09 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46:26 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:48:17 namelastname112: yes it was definitely a nightmare 03:48:39 my friend told me about a dream he had today 03:48:46 we was on a boat 03:48:57 and there lerny showed up from the water 03:49:16 and i said "don't worry, it isn't much of a threat" 03:49:24 and then he pissed his pants 03:49:26 well youre correct 03:49:50 -!- waat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51:04 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:59:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:36 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:13 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:14:52 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:17:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:23:42 !tell pleasingfungus http://i.imgur.com/Gcyhn1p.png 04:23:42 CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 04:24:26 canofworms is that a howler monkey tile 04:24:30 yes 04:24:36 it looks really good 04:24:55 current monkey tiles looks like a poop with a face 04:25:12 lol 04:25:52 CanofWorms hobby is making crawl look like notpoop 04:26:20 that's only because there's no poop item 04:26:35 that's actually quite a hobby 04:26:45 bring realism back to crawl, let the player find monster poop to learn about what monsters are on the floor 04:26:59 add a poop recognizing skill 04:27:00 canofworms can i request you something 04:27:08 monsters should be distracted when they walk near other monsters' poop 04:27:11 if it's for dcss then yes 04:27:24 can you make hats for dr tile 04:27:38 I forget, can dracs wear hats 04:27:41 they can 04:27:49 but they won't show up on a tile 04:28:07 well whenever ontoclasm gets around to remaking those drac tiles 04:28:36 cool 04:30:58 i had a dream once that i was pooping in a toilet 04:31:07 and then the toilet started overflowing with water while i was still pooping 04:31:19 and i couldn't get off the toilet because i was still pooping 04:31:43 i hope this is sufficient to make you stop talking about poop 04:32:11 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:49 you should make a dream call to your plumber 04:32:53 they'll fix that right up 04:33:13 i had a dream once where i was a plumber 04:33:24 CanOfWorms, are you interested in my norris tile idea 04:33:31 what's your norris tile idea 04:34:05 make his swim trunks have little ocean waves on them, or flowers or little yellow ducks or something like that 04:34:19 the plain red ones just look boring, especially since rupert exists 04:34:56 hmm, his tile might be too tiny for that 04:35:03 ocean waves might work 04:35:19 give norris unrand large shield "surfboard" 04:35:43 yeah I guess there aren't enough pixels for ducks 04:36:01 maybe polka dots? 04:36:19 ocean waves sounds good 04:36:34 I just feel like rupert's red speedo has norris out-fashioned, and norris needs something more 04:39:15 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:41:14 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:43:44 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:47:03 -!- Dingbat_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:48:19 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:07 -!- sneakyness has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:17 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:02:33 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:31 -!- sneakyness has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:08 -!- fixit_friend has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:05:15 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 05:05:34 -!- fixit_friend has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:38 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:09:04 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:12:09 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:13:38 Sphara (L14 OpAr) ERROR in 'chardump.cc' at line 1068: ASSERT failed: auxtype of 9 out of range 0 (0) .. UNAT_LAST_ATTACK (9) (Lair:8) 05:14:13 Sphara (L14 OpAr) ERROR in 'chardump.cc' at line 1068: ASSERT failed: auxtype of 9 out of range 0 (0) .. UNAT_LAST_ATTACK (9) (Lair:8) 05:14:50 Sphara (L14 OpAr) ERROR in 'chardump.cc' at line 1068: ASSERT failed: auxtype of 9 out of range 0 (0) .. UNAT_LAST_ATTACK (9) (Lair:7) 05:27:05 game crashes after save (CXC tiles trunk) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10357 by Sphara 05:48:30 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:49:39 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:51:29 -!- SevenDeadlySins has quit [Quit: Some folks are wise, and some otherwise.] 05:59:04 -!- Akett has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:20:43 Gruud (L27 OpTm) ERROR in 'chardump.cc' at line 1068: ASSERT failed: auxtype of 9 out of range 0 (0) .. UNAT_LAST_ATTACK (9) (D:12) 06:29:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:34:39 !crashlog sphara 06:34:40 17. Sphara, XL14 OpAr, T:25318 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Sphara/crash-Sphara-20160412-091429.txt 06:34:57 think that's an actions crash 06:35:07 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:35:11 !tell wheals Sphara (L14 OpAr) ERROR in 'chardump.cc' at line 1068: ASSERT failed: auxtype of 9 out of range 0 (0) .. UNAT_LAST_ATTACK (9 (Lair:8) 06:35:11 chequers: OK, I'll let wheals know. 06:47:28 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:49:57 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:16 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:56:20 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:19 -!- rockit_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:01:48 -!- ebonnov has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:16:16 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:16:51 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:17:59 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:18:16 -!- PigBenis has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:20:38 -!- dffdf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:51:03 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:52:54 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:07:32 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:35 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:11:51 -!- vermi is now known as vermifax 08:15:28 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:15:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:17:54 -!- } has quit [] 08:18:23 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:16 -!- SaintRoka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:21:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:53 hmmm 08:22:53 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:22:55 that bug is my fault 08:22:57 !messages 08:22:57 (1/1) chequers said (1h 47m 46s ago): Sphara (L14 OpAr) ERROR in 'chardump.cc' at line 1068: ASSERT failed: auxtype of 9 out of range 0 (0) .. UNAT_LAST_ATTACK (9 (Lair:8) 08:23:01 that bug too 08:23:27 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:29 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:25:51 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:26:09 oh 08:26:18 this is pretty simple to fix 08:26:42 i'm surprised this is the only occurence though 08:26:51 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:30:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(Orc:4) 09:21:20 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Client Quit] 09:25:01 -!- Rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:25:21 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:46 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1748-g7377c14 (34) 09:35:16 !crashlog ge0ff 09:35:17 2. Ge0ff, XL26 HOSk, T:63408 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Ge0ff/crash-Ge0ff-20160412-131956.txt 09:35:18 orc:4 09:40:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 09:43:09 i suspect monster_die is not reentrant 09:43:27 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:47 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 09:48:11 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:48:13 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:55:04 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 10:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:50 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 10:02:35 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:46 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 10:03:08 -!- LexAckson has quit [Client Quit] 10:03:15 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 10:03:51 at least it's reproducible 10:04:36 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. 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Maybe, if a build that can read the save file exists on CAO, and you have the account name on CAO. Is it logistically possible at this moment? No, because I don't have access to the CSZO save files. 11:44:00 Sorry. :( 11:44:23 (There are a couple of other things that would need to happen on CAO but I _think_ they'd be manageable. No warranty expressed or implied but I'd at least look.) 11:45:23 uh, i was just looking at the crawl.s-z.org main page and in the stuff directory is a file called Piginabag.cs 11:45:38 looks like a save file from a cursory glance 11:45:42 I have the account name on most if not all servers. and I think neil is willing to provide the save file? https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4eczzm/sz_offline/d1z96qf 11:47:12 so it's possible the structure of a save file has changed significantly since I last looked, but my historical experience is than you need more than just the one file (I haven't done much serious administration since like. 2010? 2011? "whenver grad school devoured my brain") 11:47:40 i had not read the reddit thread. send me an email at rax@akrasiac.org and i'll look in more detail when i'm not at work? 11:48:32 alright, I will. thank you! 11:48:53 no problem. hope i can help. 11:54:23 -!- halv has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:54:39 http://sprunge.us/WAVi proof-of-concept for the pakellas gift proposal from yesterday 11:55:34 i guess it should retain some of the acquirement-like behaviour of aiming for items you don't have already, but other than that it seems pretty functional 11:56:30 could re-organise the order/breakpoints at which you get things, this was mostly arbitrary, and i guess it needs a case for felids (give them another xp evoker/higher-level wand instead of the rod i guess) 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:26 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:31 -!- t4nk221 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:13:23 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:18:55 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:21:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:24:59 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:25:19 I have a complaint about Crawl: 12:25:21 Sojobo casts a spell. 12:25:21 Sojobo summons a great blast of wind! You are blown backwards! 12:25:37 IT should say that he "conjures" a great blast of wind 12:27:00 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:21 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:23 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest39894 12:28:01 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:29:11 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:00 -!- Guest39894 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:34:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:10 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:37:08 -!- Ququman_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:12 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:16 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:20 ??wind blast 12:41:20 wind blast[1/1]: Knocks you back, does no damage by itself but can hit for 40+ if it slams you into a wall. Used by wind drakes and Sojobo. 12:42:24 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:49:02 Wind Blast spell cast wording 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10358 by Rast 12:53:58 -!- halv has quit [Client Quit] 12:56:10 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Use !messages to read it. 14:04:06 oops 14:04:30 🐒 14:04:32 there we go 14:05:07 I thought there was a bug on my monitor 14:05:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:43 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:15:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:19:44 should you be able to worship pakellas with sacrifice artifice? 14:20:07 seems like a good way to get the demon of the infinite void to smile upon you a whole lot 14:20:34 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:00 i would say no 14:21:10 not even so much because of the gifting, just because the god's powers are literally useless 14:21:22 maybe someone can figure out a way in which it's not technically useless, if you use it to build up a stash of !magic to use all in one go under some weird circumstances 14:21:27 but yeah seems pretty safe to block it :P 14:21:30 lol 14:25:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:27:20 -!- Adum has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:27:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:28:03 -!- alvarops has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:28:44 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:29:01 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1756-g1f6b1ac: Don't allow worshipping Pakellas with sacrifice artifice 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1f6b1ac4cc6a 14:30:10 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1757-gffad214: Prompt on Yara's self-target (Piginabag) 10(53 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ffad21409ce2 14:34:42 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:40:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:41:05 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:42:38 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:43:57 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45:15 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:56:24 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:56:52 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:59:49 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:45 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:50 -!- timbw has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:06:50 cheers! 15:06:50 dpeg: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:06:52 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:06:54 !messages 15:06:54 (1/4) Bcadren said (11w 1d 15h 1m 56s ago): redrafted on the same theme again. https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=18989 I'm not sure enough of what the race -should- look like to make it. 15:07:00 !messages 15:07:00 (1/3) Bcadren said (6w 1d 6h 10m 50s ago): Idea I saw in someone else's god proposal that I thought I might "steal" for my active one. God-unique spellbook, which contains spells that act like normal spells (need to have their specific spellschools trained, use int), but have an associated piety cost and are automatically forgotten if you leave the god. Unsure if I like it do you? 15:07:07 3 months, 1.5 months, 15:07:12 !messages 15:07:12 (1/2) wheals said (4w 18h 14m 30s ago): !lg sanka d:1 ktyp=collision 1 -- a game for the book? the player was within sight of the exit, the panlord force lanced them over the exit into a wall, killing them 15:07:13 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:07:36 oh my god, what beauty -- thanks wheals! 15:07:58 excellent 15:08:43 !messages 15:08:43 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (1d 1h 53m 50s ago): What's up? 15:08:56 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:58 so much drama, and I didn't even have anything to do with it! 15:09:15 what a world, what a world 15:09:19 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:09:54 maybe we have to talk about this post release 15:10:03 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:10:55 i had a couple of thoughts 15:11:18 poor Neil, this must hurt so much... annoying humans 15:11:48 yeah 15:11:58 also, poor players! 15:12:05 lotta sad folks who had games on cszo 15:12:13 luckily i splatted my guy just before the great disaster 15:13:51 next-level play, PleasingFungus 15:14:05 8) 15:14:09 i saw it alll coming. 15:15:30 .gfgk 15:15:31 88. sigma658 the Crack Shot (L20 CeHu of Qazlal), slain by a moon troll in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2016-04-12 09:11:57, with 334298 points after 59485 turns and 6:13:40. 15:15:32 probably a good thing that my mfsk with a bunch of removed items is gone 15:15:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:15:45 although question 15:15:54 !lm . cszo alive 15:15:55 No milestones for gammafunk (cszo alive). 15:15:56 i figure there's a chance that |amethyst will change his mind and bring the server back up. but if not, well - Sad! 15:15:57 since I haven't killed that mfsk 15:16:07 does it count against my mfsk firstwin attempts 15:16:09 undead 15:16:27 I doubt that server is coming back up, but if the login situation gets fixed, we can add more servers 15:16:34 !lg . mfsk 15:16:35 3. wormsofcan the Poker (L4 MfSk of Makhleb), blasted by Jessica (wand of flame) on D:2 (nicolae_ru_sacrificial_ziggurat) on 2015-09-19 04:33:00, with 97 points after 2222 turns and 0:05:29. 15:16:36 There have been a few offers to make US servers recently 15:16:44 oh, I've killed a mfsk before anyway 15:16:55 !lm . 15:16:56 2583. [2015-12-06 11:46:04] wormsofcant the Fetichist (L20 SpEn of Gozag) reached level 3 of the Elven Halls on turn 59404. (Elf:3) 15:17:07 !lm . log 15:17:08 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest98900 15:17:08 wormsofcant, XL20 SpEn, T:59404 (milestone) has no matching game 15:17:15 hmm 15:17:50 We can also just add another US server (from one of said offers) and deal with the issues until logins get fixed 15:19:02 The only weird thing is that we're not going to see the full extent of the increased load on the US servers until tourney 15:19:08 would be bad to have things break then 15:20:03 true 15:20:04 Good news about the scoring wrt tourney is that the tourney scoring doesn't depend on CAO 15:20:15 so if CAO scoring breaks again, tourney can still be scored 15:22:38 -!- WildSam has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:24:03 -!- serq has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:13 i'd considered suggesting limiting players to a single server for tournament scoring purposes, which would prevent griefing of tournament scores (would require some script adjusment) - but my feeling is that the odds of more griefing is pretty low right now, and the odds of server load problems is quite high. 15:27:12 griefing tourney scores isn't that easy with current tourney streak rules anyway 15:27:32 since only the first game started after the last game finished matters for continuing the streak 15:27:43 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:27:44 ah, good point 15:28:32 that makes it difficult to do on a large scale at least, which makes repairing it manually by blacklisting games much more feasible 15:29:44 even now blacklisting games is relatively feasible, if we wanted to - it's been possible to do this for years, it's been a known problem for ~1.5 years and there've been... I think three cases of someone doing it? 15:29:58 *it's been possible to setup fake griefing accounts for years 15:30:35 multiple games per incident, of course, but still 15:31:05 well, it is more involved for scoring scripts/sequell than for just tourney 15:31:25 yeah 15:31:50 since you probably have to rebuild everything from the start and that can take a long time 15:31:59 -!- Piginabag has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:06 it actually might not be so bad for sequell but the scoring scripts probably would have to do that to get streaks and highscores and such right 15:34:00 -!- shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:34:03 people on SA are talking about using a tournament-style rcfile addition as a sort of band-aid anti-griefing thing 15:34:21 http://pastebin.com/QaPbxPqf 15:34:34 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 15:34:40 for what, the CAO scoring pages? in principle maybe, but the scoring scripts are already not really maintained 15:34:47 and have other issues with them 15:35:28 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:35:31 snark was saying that he was going to do something, "but realistically it's going to take a while :(" 15:35:47 "one of these weekends". 15:36:04 he was referring to something specific 15:36:07 wrt scoring scripts throwing up and dying, yes 15:36:12 namely blacklisting games in sequell 15:36:12 not wrt this suggestion 15:36:23 oh? maybe I misread 15:36:23 but that doesn't affect CAO scoring 15:36:31 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 15:36:50 anyway, kinda moot 15:37:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:38:55 -!- insouciance has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39:24 does anyone know why this line doesn't seem to work? runrest_ignore_monster += ^rat$:1 15:41:03 well it says "if the distance between you and monster is less than the specified number" 15:41:40 New branch created: pakellas_gifts (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/pakellas_gifts 15:41:40 03MarvinPA02 07[pakellas_gifts] * 0.18-a0-1757-g2517cf9: Rework Pakellas gifting 10(4 hours ago, 3 files, 152+ 63-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2517cf9e2688 15:41:44 so I guess that just means it'd never interrupt actually 15:41:55 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 15:41:58 ahhhh whoops 15:42:11 that also explains why my polearm user stabs butterflies 15:42:16 haha 15:42:34 any thoughts on the gift sets/ordering welcome (and on the stuff generally) 15:42:45 still a fan of the general concept 15:42:53 looking through the commi 15:43:03 i learned: felids and ru sacrifices make everything complicated 15:43:30 ahh, hence the earlier sac evocation question 15:43:45 perhaps: sac felids....!? 15:43:51 (0.19 feature) 15:44:58 the do/while wand gift pick code makes me very sad - do you mind if I hack up another approach real fast? 15:45:03 I sacced resistances on a felid the other day. white ugly thing 1 shot me for 46 damage 15:45:06 haha, sure 15:45:23 i thought there was probably a better way of doing it but that was the first approach that came to mind 15:45:31 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 15:45:35 hm 15:45:39 do we know what that crash is 15:45:43 ge0ff's 15:45:51 !crashlog Ge0ff 15:45:52 11. Ge0ff, XL27 HOSk, T:70281 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Ge0ff/crash-Ge0ff-20160412-194530.txt 15:46:11 it's also a bit awkward in that i guess ideally avoiding gifting enslavement under sac love should be more important than not gifting an already-seen wand 15:46:11 wow 15:46:30 insane corner case 15:46:36 i would be surprised if anyone ever encountered it 15:46:51 unless we make a race with sac love or s/t 15:47:00 i came across it in testing! when i had tries set to 5 or something :P 15:47:07 but 15:47:21 how many people are going to follow ru, sac love specifically, then abandon ru (!) and join pak (!!) 15:47:33 that is true 15:47:47 if Lasty and Grunt are both spectating me, I will 15:47:50 sounds like a killer move 15:47:55 still. handling weird stuff properly is important! 15:47:57 maybe 15:48:00 does lasty even spectate! 15:48:18 PleasingFungus, I am now that you suggested it 15:48:20 That while look to choose from the subsets...would love to see some kind of generalized chooser there 15:48:28 god damn it 15:48:33 this is the lava snake corpse debacle all over again! 15:48:36 gammafunk: I'm rewriting it 15:48:37 PF already said it was bad and was thinking of doing something better :P 15:48:39 nice 15:49:08 it's very Classic Crawlcode™ 15:49:18 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:23 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 15:49:23 hrm, is disint a good choice for the low wands? 15:49:43 we rate it as a mid-wand usually 15:49:48 technical term 'midwand' 15:49:57 but maybe poly is too?? 15:50:14 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 15:50:14 yeah hex wands are weird that way 15:50:24 i left disint out as maybe a bit too strong for the lower-tier ones and maybe a bit too weak for the high-tier ones 15:50:33 but yeah, not sure 15:51:02 it does have a lot of charges and each does a lot of damage, so that's probably right 15:51:15 since things don't have much mr early on 15:51:39 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:53:16 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:21 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 15:53:59 man, that is a weird crash 15:54:13 trying to remove something from a shopping list as a result of killing a monster, and then...? 15:55:08 oh, and then, while loading a level (possibly going back to the original level?), the game crashes 15:55:10 hell of a thing 15:56:04 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:56:47 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:30 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 15:59:36 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:22 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 16:03:33 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 16:03:55 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 16:06:28 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 16:07:19 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:36 uh 16:07:48 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:49 Ge0ff (L27 HOSk) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Orc:4) 16:09:02 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:12:48 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:38 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:14:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:45 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:25 03PleasingFungus02 07[pakellas_gifts] * 0.18-a0-1758-gcf71260: Rewrite Pak gifting 10(44 seconds ago, 1 file, 58+ 44-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cf71260ca94c 16:16:40 -!- tripout has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 16:17:25 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:17:54 might be fine to roll this out now and start getting it playtested - see if we can get pak into the release 16:17:58 aha, much nicer 16:18:16 yeah 16:18:21 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:18:34 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:37 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:19 hm. the tough decisions: squash my commit into yours, or not...? 16:19:46 %git HEAD~ 16:19:46 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1756-g1f6b1ac: Don't allow worshipping Pakellas with sacrifice artifice 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1f6b1ac4cc6a 16:20:15 %git pakellas_gifts~ 16:20:15 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1757-g2517cf9: Rework Pakellas gifting 10(5 hours ago, 3 files, 152+ 63-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2517cf9e2688 16:20:30 probably fine either way, can leave it as-is so people can enjoy the improvement of my ugly code :P 16:20:38 players love that. 16:20:39 yeah, agreed either way is fine 16:20:47 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:21:50 hm. i might take lightning out of the 'high wands' list 16:21:56 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:22:02 because it's bad? 16:22:24 bad is a stronger term than i'd use. but it's significantly weaker than the others in most circumstances, probably. 16:22:32 closer to disint, perhaps...? 16:22:54 maybe yeah, could also lose random effects from the low level list 16:24:00 i like random effects 16:24:06 i sort of wanted to include as many options as possible to keep the variation high 16:24:08 sure 16:25:54 I think iceblast/acid vs enslave/para is a reasonable set of options, tho 16:26:13 03MarvinPA02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.18-a0-1758-ge8d1387: Rework Pakellas gifting 10(5 hours ago, 3 files, 151+ 63-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e8d13878da4b 16:26:13 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1759-g46a37a9: Rewrite Pak gifting 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 57+ 43-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/46a37a9a8256 16:26:46 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 16:28:00 -!- Zibudo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:12 Hey people, I've been playing for a while and a server me and my friends liked went down so I thought I would try setting my own up, but I've come into two problems while setting up. The first problem is that while i run /home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/bin/dgl update-trunk it tries to pull the code from gitorious which I believe has shut down, and thus I am confused where to get the code from. I am following this guide 16:30:12 by the way 16:30:21 Any help is very appreciated thanks! 16:30:22 huh, i wonder what server you're talking about 16:31:25 people who might be able to help you, off the top of my head: elliptic, chequers, johnstein, gammafunk 16:31:49 https://github.com/crawl/dgamelaunch is probably what the gitorious thing should be pointing out now 16:32:08 but i have no clue on server setup stuff other than that unfortunately 16:32:10 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:13 pointing at* 16:32:20 i am terminally clue-deficient. generally. 16:32:59 I have the dgamelaunch which is what I assume that github repo is but it pointed at git://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch.git rather than the crawl user 16:33:27 because when i was making that repo I had to change the make file to uphold different dependencies 16:33:32 so I am wondering if that is newer 16:34:03 Zibudo: yeah, you can update that code to pull from the new repo 16:34:08 let me find where that is 16:35:25 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:43 when i update the dgamelaunch from the new repo should i remake it and copy the binaries to the proper places again? 16:36:03 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:22 Zibudo: in crawl-git.conf, change the CRAWL_GIT_URL 16:36:34 it is currently gitorious by default 16:37:08 set it to https://github.com/crawl/crawl.git 16:37:20 it's an https url, not a git:// one 16:37:21 -!- glaas has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:37:25 in addition to being on github 16:37:45 mhm so that's the new one cool thanks so much! 16:38:01 are we distributing something that points to gitorious? 16:38:19 this is in neil's repo 16:38:28 ahh 16:38:35 dgamelaunch-config 16:39:03 dgamelaunch itself is in our repo, but that's not the same repo as the config scripts 16:41:18 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 16:42:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:31 -!- Implojin has quit [Client Quit] 16:43:15 hey it seems to be working, but I had one other question 16:43:32 on the guide: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles its step 9.5 to 9.6 16:43:44 I assume I am copying the saves from the crawl-git to the versions I will support 16:43:50 but I don't understand 9.6 16:44:36 I think I am missing the part where it talks about a git repo but I dont understand which repo it would be refrencing 16:45:07 and if anyone is wondering the dgamelaunch repos are practically the same, maybe the only difference is in the crawl-git.conf file 16:45:08 the git repo is the crawl repo itself 16:45:17 those templates are WebTiles server templates 16:45:25 is it out of order then? 16:45:37 because don't I get the repo until 10? 16:45:41 no 16:46:01 hrm 16:46:09 you don't have the crawl repo at the location in that command? 16:46:18 10 is publishing config 16:46:19 s 16:46:28 e.g. copying them into the chroot 16:46:47 so shouldn't have anything to do with your checkout of the crawl repo 16:48:26 hmm it worked, I think i figured it out, but I can't recall why it wasnt working before anymore 16:48:46 I think what happens is 16:48:55 in 9.5, it's checking out the crawl repo for you 16:49:00 s/checkout out/cloning/ 16:49:14 at least that's what implied 16:49:28 but yeah it seems that the repo got cloned from earlier steps, so you should have that dir 16:49:32 from which to copy the templates 16:49:44 yea I think i messed a permission up so it didnt see it 16:49:58 and I just assumed I nevr got it because of step 11 16:50:12 yeah that's actually a different location 16:50:19 there's a "master repo" done in I guess 9.5 16:50:30 and those locations in 11 are the live copies that players use 16:50:54 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:50:57 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:05 well, actually I think it just uses one repo and copies the file, but the repo it uses is made in 9.5 16:51:16 it's been a while since I've run this 16:51:34 yea, i think you are right 16:52:17 the worst part of this guide is just finding all the dependencies because there are a few not listed, but the guide is relatively easy to follow 16:54:35 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:54:54 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(pakellas_gifts - 2517cf9 #5273 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/122608303 17:08:12 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 17:08:25 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:08:58 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:09:11 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:25 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 17:10:52 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:51 -!- Watball has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:12:53 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:13:07 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:13:30 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:24:33 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:24:48 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 17:25:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:03 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:46 what's up 17:32:05 ontoclasm: everyone is having a wild party, hunt for the grief's briefs 17:32:06 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:40 i got beefs with griefs 17:32:52 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:33:24 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:33:30 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:34:13 uh... huh 17:37:26 !learn add lasty_to_do[1 Don't allow summons to open doors 17:37:26 lasty to do[1/8]: Don't allow summons to open doors 17:38:28 hm 17:38:32 all summons? friendly summons? 17:38:32 !learn add lasty_to_do[1 maybe dismiss demonic guardians that you injure 17:38:33 lasty to do[1/9]: maybe dismiss demonic guardians that you injure 17:38:41 PleasingFungus: definitely friendly, maybe all 17:38:47 maybe all seems... hrm 17:39:12 PleasingFungus: it was correctly pointed out that you really never want your summons to open doors 17:39:33 in the great majority of cases, yeah. where was it pointed out? 17:39:49 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19664 17:39:53 i think it should be pretty hard to injure your own demonic guardians now? 17:40:01 frankly imo summons should stop existing the instant you can't see them 17:40:07 MarvinPA: yeah, much like fedhas -- static discharge, Ozo's. . . 17:40:13 they already stop doing anything remotely useful 17:40:15 ontoclasm: that would make corners very, very annoying 17:40:42 there was a suggestion of making them start rapidly expiring when out of los, possibly as a replacement for some of the other summon stuff 17:40:48 oh 17:40:55 no 17:41:01 the rapid expiry was wrt no *enemies* being in sight 17:41:10 (summoning is inherently awful and i imagine there's no way it'll ever work well) 17:41:21 summoning is good. 17:41:27 alternate answer: hi, 1kb! 17:41:34 >.> 17:41:39 * ontoclasm removes his mask! 17:42:53 Lasty_1: looking at that, it sounds like allies + doors is the problem, not summons + doors 17:43:23 Lasty_1: it also seems like it'd be plausible to extend fedhas/dguardian immunity to static discharge and other problem spells 17:44:06 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:44:39 !tell johnstein When you char dump on cbro, it doesn't show the dump url in chat for some reason 17:44:39 gammafunk: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 17:45:05 Yeah summons opening doors is really annoying 17:45:06 PleasingFungus: true! I did mean allies and not summons 17:45:07 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 17:45:17 Stop it you stupid ugly things! 17:45:20 and imps 17:45:30 PleasingFungus: I'm in favor of extending the immunity, but IIRC MarvinPA was not a fan of that idea 17:45:39 ah, "summoned allies shouldn't open doors, and maybe all allies shouldn't"? 17:45:44 I can agree with that sentence 17:45:45 no hrms at all 17:46:09 !learn set lasty_to_do[2 summoned allies shouldn't open doors, and maybe all allies shouldn't 17:46:10 lasty to do[2/9]: summoned allies shouldn't open doors, and maybe all allies shouldn't 17:46:17 It's silly when you close a door and your summon opens it 17:46:25 "Don't worry gammafunk, I got this!" 17:46:40 Arguably summons should only open doors if they can't get into your LOS w/o opening the door 17:46:48 er 17:46:49 allies 17:46:50 hrm, I guess there is pathing 17:47:02 %git 49704ef 17:47:02 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-299-g49704ef: Use the correct behaviour event for Refrig and OTR. 10(2 years, 6 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49704efeba30 17:47:19 i don't remember what my thoughts on it were before, but it seems like it'd get increasingly fiddly to make sure every possible way of injuring your guardian doesn't work 17:47:24 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:47:30 (side note on allies getting angry, mindless undead will get pissed if you meph them, even tho it does nothing) 17:47:48 (or is it poison needling them? in any case, something harmless)( 17:49:27 scrolls of curse foo don't exist any more right? 17:49:32 correct 17:49:57 unless they can be grandfathered in? 17:50:09 they certainly can't be generated in a normal game 17:50:36 probably they can be grandfathered in yeah, but seems fine to remove the descs in that case anyway 17:51:08 yeah 17:51:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1760-gbb863503: New vault checkwhite. 10(31 seconds ago, 5 files, 27+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bb8635034748 17:51:56 the desc of ?enchant armour is: very long 17:52:06 i'm glad that it explains the important use case of removing a curse on an artefact 17:53:27 if it didn't someone would have petulantly pointed that fact out the first time anyone mentioned it 17:53:31 bet that was added in response to a bug report 17:53:35 ontoclasm: o/ 17:53:55 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:53:57 fr ea/ew don't remove curses, so that these descs can be shorter 17:54:18 also maybe that's a real fr 17:54:59 -!- } has quit [] 17:55:00 we need to have things glowing silver. 17:55:19 alternate answer: finally, the buff the remove curse game needs...? 17:55:23 (but probably not) 17:55:31 MarvinPA: it can definitely be a useful aspect of the scrolls right now, but that's not necessarily a reason to keep it 17:55:47 it'd basically just make dealing with curses more of a pain in the early game 17:56:04 i'd be fine with not letting them be used on/do anything to artefacts, tho 17:56:06 curses or otherwise 17:56:43 i mean ignoring the merits of the curse game generally, it seems weird for it to have these two unrelated effects 17:57:23 that is true 17:57:24 wow 17:57:27 idk about unrelated 17:57:29 i'm looking at this lua stack overflow question 17:57:40 and the answer is by none other than the doomrl guy 17:57:42 it buffs your weapon/armour. 17:57:46 wheals_: is it a good answer? 17:57:55 it's lua, so my head still hurts 17:57:57 rip 17:58:08 lua isn't hard! 17:58:12 remove curse on ew/ea does feel like something taken uncritically from Other Roguelikes 17:58:19 angbandy, maybe 17:58:29 something where a curse would have actual negative effects 17:58:30 well it's in nethack 17:58:32 yeah, probably it is a nethack thing too 17:58:39 oh your mean rc on ew/ea 17:58:53 it's not the lua itself, it's working with the stack in C 17:58:55 yeah that's also nethack 17:58:55 ...as opposed to? 17:59:12 as opposed to ew/ea themselves 17:59:19 ahh 17:59:21 ok 17:59:46 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:47 The build passed. (pakellas_gifts - cf71260 #5274 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/122616869 17:59:47 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 17:59:51 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:59:52 great news 17:59:57 thanks, travis 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:10 congratulations 18:00:37 i believed in myself. 18:01:01 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:01:13 btw, I recall that we had draining past a certain threshold stop draining you and start dealing bonus damage for a while. I kind of liked that. 18:01:21 i forget the git magic to delete a remote branch, this is one of those things that i look up every single time 18:01:22 that was for about two seconds 18:01:30 MarvinPA: it involves git push 18:01:37 and a colon 18:02:00 oh, hey 18:02:07 they added a sane syntax 18:02:09 i think there's a simple way now but yeah, the old weird way was something like "git push origin :branchname"? 18:02:12 How would people feel about having draining attacks drain you and also deal bonus damage based on your drain level (no more threshold) making it much easier to die from extreme draining, instead of surviving with negative values in all your skills 18:02:16 yeah 18:02:27 git push origin --delete branchname is the new thing 18:02:29 i wonder what git i have. 18:02:49 i mean, that's... relatively sane 18:03:05 "You may want to dog-ear this page, because you’ll need that command, and you’ll likely forget the syntax." 18:03:36 Lasty_1: iirc there was some talk about just making extreme draining amount recover faster 18:03:42 i can't remember if that currently exists or not 18:03:50 there is 18:03:58 yeah, so we could always tweak that 18:04:02 if it seemed appropriate 18:04:20 i'd maybe prefer that to making it deal extra damage i think, yeah 18:04:35 PleasingFungus: I suppose it depends on how we want the story "I melee'd sonja and got crazy drained" to end. 18:04:59 simplicity has a virtue all its own 18:05:06 true 18:05:19 But consequences have virtue too 18:05:36 i feel like if you get down to 0 skills you'll probably die quickly enough that it's fine to let it happen naturally 18:06:30 In my experience, you don't have to. If you want to, you can scum it back pretty safely; if you don't want to, you can just play safer for a while. 18:06:44 (and yeah, I've come back from flatlining my skills a couple of times) 18:07:44 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 18:08:01 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 18:08:34 I always thought it'd be better to just make the drain effect change your mhp instead of skills 18:08:48 avoid the weird looking at the skill menu and spellcasting fail thing 18:09:07 xp rot 18:09:13 xp-timer rot? 18:09:15 w/e 18:09:35 PleasingFungus: you cannot quote that page "dog-ear" without giving us the *link*! :) 18:09:38 yeah then I guess we'd have to remove rot (such a pitty!) 18:09:46 *pity 18:09:58 dpeg: first google result for 'git delete remote branch' 18:09:59 -!- Ququman_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:06 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:14 not really all that interesting! 18:10:17 I like skill drain, though I'd be fine if most of the things that currently skill drain instead mhp drain 18:10:26 just thought that line was funny, given what MarvinPA said shortly before 18:10:32 PleasingFungus: some day a reply like yours will draw the ire of being Googlism 18:10:42 unlikely. 18:10:51 Lasty likes seen all those numbers! 18:11:01 in purple 18:11:34 and *seeing 18:12:01 gammafunk: I confess I don't, but I do like the effect 18:12:02 now, once more, with feeling. 18:12:19 gammafunk: often I wish that I could see Drain(2.3) or whatever on status instead 18:12:35 Yeah I'd love for some kind of just simplified display 18:14:31 i like seeing what my skills currently are 18:14:35 when drained and otherwise 18:14:50 ...which I guess is a vote against simplified display without changed mechanics, to be clear 18:15:00 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1760-gbb863503 (34) 18:15:30 Well what I'm saying is that it's just not a great UI to have to go into m and stare at each skill (possibly hitting _) when you get drained 18:15:39 But anyhow it's not the end of the world 18:15:53 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:16:04 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:16:06 Zibudo: sorry, I can't help with dgl, I run my server without that wrapper/management script 18:16:20 I helped him out, and he got it working 18:16:28 ya i think this is going well 18:16:36 we will see once it doesnt work or w/e at the end 18:16:44 :thumbsup: 18:16:48 it does entail quite a bit of setup 18:16:51 i'd be fine with drain(2.7) in addition to the current setup 18:17:19 yeah if that could work it would be an improvement, but drain doesn't affect each skill equally 18:17:28 ...I think? 18:17:36 It does, barring rounding errors 18:17:39 oh! 18:17:46 huh 18:17:57 i was sort of wondering why you were talking about 'looking at every skill' 18:18:11 yeah, you just need to figure out the difference between actual and current for one skill 18:18:14 well you kind of still need to 18:18:15 right 18:18:17 because it applies universally 18:18:24 but we could save people that step 18:18:25 bit it does help to know the amount I guess 18:18:38 Wanderer starts with 3 weapons 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10359 by RoGGa 18:18:44 nice 18:18:48 that's not a bug IIRC 18:19:13 currently there's nothing to stop wanderer from selecting 3 redundant skills to give gifts on] 18:19:25 ....triple-wielding... 18:19:28 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:33 it's not in the won't-do! 18:20:52 finally, it is the formicid's day to shine. 18:21:41 anyway, feel free to close it 18:21:43 does warding still exist for staves of summoning, or is it gone entirely? 18:22:05 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:22:26 ah, looks like the latter 18:22:28 staves of summoning never did that, afaik 18:22:37 they did! it even says so in their desc 18:22:41 what, really 18:22:53 whoa 18:22:55 huh 18:22:55 yep. they also used to abjure on hit 18:22:56 good lie 18:22:59 i knew the latter 18:23:09 with an evocations+summoning check, the most amazingly ineffecient way to get rid of summons 18:23:29 -!- Ultraviolent4 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:23:31 the warding existed before the abjure-on-hit i'm pretty sure 18:23:38 and after the abjure was removed, too 18:23:45 warding sounds more potentially useful 18:23:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:23:55 at some point i had some vague notion of making it summon imps or s/t on hit 18:23:58 summonstaff 18:24:20 %git fd6c2c91d3a31bbd09cefbe0e73c527fcb0ce1bd 18:24:21 07MarvinPA02 * 0.8.0-a0-5474-gfd6c2c9: Give the staff of summoning warding, sometimes abjure summons on hit 10(5 years ago, 5 files, 27+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fd6c2c91d3a3 18:24:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 18:24:46 youthful errors...? 18:25:06 so many of them! 18:25:29 MarvinPA: yeah, I felt like it wasn't interesting enough to keep 18:26:43 MarvinPA: dismissal was an attempt to make a more interesting way to combat summons, one that's also effective to some degree against other monsters, but I'm not sure if it's working like that right now 18:27:03 I think it may be teleporting away the summoner and not the summons... 18:27:07 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:19 !learn add lasty_to_do[1 make sure dismissal is actually teleporting away summons and not the summoner 18:27:19 lasty to do[1/10]: make sure dismissal is actually teleporting away summons and not the summoner 18:28:21 lol 18:28:53 also, the anti-summoning thing seems very peripheral to its current function 18:28:55 abjuration would be much cooler if you could abjure summoners 18:29:13 it's probably more effective against summons than other monsters? but there are way more real monsters than fake, and it's quite good against them 18:30:03 PleasingFungus: yes, that's precisely the intention 18:30:16 Something that's broadly useful, but perhaps particularly useful against summons 18:30:42 cool. your earlier phrasing threw me off 18:30:49 i'm surprised this code is working already 18:31:49 -!- Guest98900 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:01 "An small, axe-like item designed for throwing." 18:32:06 crawl descs are an exciting adventure 18:32:12 haha 18:32:14 always! 18:32:31 do we still use the word 'testudine', I wonder 18:32:34 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:43 yes! though that's a monster description 18:32:45 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:54 esp when you find some ridiculous misspelling and after fixing it you discover it's just how they say things in NZ or whatever 18:33:04 or whatever 18:33:06 :P 18:33:14 I still say we rename tomahawks to darts 18:33:17 luckily i'm used to spelling things right by default! 18:33:18 Bring Back Darts 18:33:27 why would someone try to use darts as a weapon? 18:33:29 it's ridiculous. 18:33:42 like, what are you gonna throw at people next, ping-pong balls? 18:33:50 we call them sling bullets 18:34:00 :P 18:34:20 Beer Sling Bullet Pong 18:34:29 i'm sure there's a mantis patch for the victorious return of darts somewhere, even 18:34:46 or a branch 18:34:56 probably along with dozens of types of darts 18:34:59 suddenly, gammafunk makes a dramatic reveal. 18:35:01 oh god 18:35:16 it's an eoc patch so probably not with dozens of types of new things 18:35:18 suggest that to the circus animals guy 18:35:19 speaking of which, I'm thinking of removing ranged ammo egos. :p 18:35:21 oh, it's real? 18:35:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:35:28 dang 18:35:38 the end of the off-brand ammo shop... 18:35:38 at least for arrows/bolts/bullets 18:35:41 yeah it's definitely a real patch! not sure if it is on mantis or just something i've seen linked 18:35:50 gotta keep those returning tomahawks. 18:35:51 I remember eoc pushing that a while back 18:35:57 also yes please, for ammo brand removal 18:36:09 is there an end-goal in mind for ranged weapons? 18:36:14 ??ranged_reform 18:36:15 ranged reform[1/1]: 1) give launchers their own equipment slot; 2) ammo always mulches; 3) keep skills the same (at least for now); 4) goldify ammo. Optional: overhaul throwing & blowguns & ammo brands; condense skills; maybe remove slings for ammo consistency in condensed skills. 18:36:30 i guess that's one kind of overhaul! 18:36:51 removing ammo brands seems like a solid improvement to the current state without any big overhauls being required 18:36:59 Apparently I'm starting with the optional end of the spectrum 18:37:01 MarvinPA: yeah 18:37:03 would also let us close, uh 18:37:21 shit, he didn't open another bug. anyway, bugs with exploding ammo 18:37:27 So, dispersal penetration would go? 18:37:28 except that maybe you can still get that with exploding throwing weapons??? 18:37:35 the ammo brand code seemed like it had some peculiarities to me so that would be one way of solving that! 18:37:47 throwing weapons could keep brands maybe 18:37:48 gammafunk: penetration could stay on launchers. Arguably both could stay on thrown weapons 18:38:10 we can never remove exploding because Hellfire 18:38:12 my opinion is that there should be exactly one brand that can appear on missiles 18:38:17 penetrating exploding returning 18:38:18 the main thing is removing it from bolts/stones/arrows, seems sensible in terms of better balance and less complexity 18:38:32 MarvinPA: agreed 18:38:36 it's like a weapon of penetration except it causes an explosion on every hit, and it returns and hits the monsters again on the way back 18:38:53 minmay: we added that, but called it rod of ignition 18:38:53 double-ignition... 18:38:54 rod of bouncing ignition 18:39:09 but who wants to train evo 18:39:14 everyone, sadly 18:39:22 seriously though, having brands on missiles and launchers both is like having brands on melee weapons, and then also making your gloves apply a brand to your melee attacks with weapons 18:39:23 evo is so bad we need a god to remind players to use it 18:39:32 we nerfed evo and now it's bad 18:39:34 two! 18:39:35 new meta 18:39:35 minmay: yep, we're on the same side of this one 18:39:36 try to keep up 18:39:50 PleasingFungus: I kind of wish you were right 18:39:51 Lasty_1, no i'm saying that there should be gloves of speed 18:39:57 -!- Lasty_1 is now known as Lasty_ 18:40:16 !seen chequers 18:40:16 I last saw chequers at Tue Apr 12 22:16:43 2016 UTC (23m 32s ago) saying ':thumbsup:' on ##crawl-dev. 18:40:24 minmay: not gloves of spikes? the tavern would love it. 18:41:04 I suppose if I really wanted to make tavern happy I'd make gloves that add acid brand 18:41:09 I'm pretty sure someone actually suggested that 18:41:41 can you make troll leather armour from all kinds of trolls now? 18:42:00 I thought so yeah 18:42:39 !tell chequers Ultraviolent4 has a CPO game that just loaded meatsprint. afaik this is the first time it's been caught in the act? they will hold off playing to let you look at the save 18:42:39 geekosaur: OK, I'll let chequers know. 18:42:44 I'm pretty sure that at least deep and normal trolls drop hides right now 18:42:45 cool 18:42:45 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:42:53 yeah, they have for ages 18:42:55 idk about iron trolls 18:43:14 !source _monster_hides 18:43:14 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc#l1223 18:43:59 hm, i think my comment on lines 1252-1255 is a bad idea 18:44:27 my god, these function comments 18:44:47 "canonical troll" 18:45:07 crawlcode is the canonical troll 18:45:15 agreed 18:46:23 Lasty_: i fixed ur bug status 18:46:33 wow, dcssca apparently gave mottled dr a gigantic buff for some reason: https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca/commit/7d09adf0a4f82a665214f2e6fac2ad711fc3a5e5 18:46:34 Failed to load map, reloading all maps (Map was built for a different version of Crawl (evilmike_mini_pan_corridor) (map: 0.0 us: 34.169)). 18:46:38 PleasingFungus: ty 18:46:40 Lasty_: update issue lets you edit things even without the usual workflow 18:46:44 oh, ah 18:46:47 amalloy: because old mottled was boring 18:46:55 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:46:57 see the dcss-ca philosophy section 18:47:02 amalloy: dcssca is pretty bonkers 18:47:26 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:47:28 so give it rC+ rF+ and add 4 to its apt total and increase the range of its breath? 18:47:56 at one point ogre had +9 hp apt and hu had +5 xp 18:48:00 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:27 i don't really see those changes as making it any less boring though, just stronger 18:48:40 +1 sticky flame range is arguably interesting 18:48:42 amalloy: guiding principle is big numbers 18:48:44 yeah, a lot of people seem to mistakenly believe mottled is weak 18:48:47 insofar as it's something you can't get elsewhere 18:48:53 other things you can't get elsewhere: 18:49:00 PleasingFungus: makhleb! 18:49:01 sticky flame that doesn't care about spell failure chance 18:49:06 MarvinPA: pfft. unreliable! 18:49:13 I actually think the draconians are pretty well balanced at this point, except yellow 18:49:21 also, The Piety Cost... 18:49:21 that's true actually. increasing its range is reasonable 18:49:32 anyway yeah 18:49:41 if you use up all your outrage on stuff like mottled drac buffs 18:49:52 how do you respond to, like, whatever the heck he did to movement speed? 18:50:05 you gotta pace yourself, man. 18:50:20 don't forget, none of the changes are ones that the dcss-ca developer is particularly attached to either 18:50:37 a lot of his changes he radically buffs something, then later it's scaled back 18:50:38 PleasingFungus: movement speed isn't so bad. You just need to look up a few things in the gregorian calendar before each move and then play like you worship chei 18:50:47 :P 18:50:50 I mean the game is significantly buffed overall still 18:50:51 i was going to say that i respected his speed of iteration, since i didn't see the diagonal move thing anywhere on the changelist page 18:50:56 but apparently it's still in 18:51:13 but being willing to move fast and break things is good, especially if you have no playerbase and are a lone dev. 18:51:15 Startup Reasons 18:51:28 gotta pull yourself out of trunk's shadow somehow 18:51:29 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:40 true 18:51:57 no one's gonna play your fork if it's "+2 xp for humans and also we brought back darts" 18:52:15 that's why you bring back MD 18:52:21 It's been done! 18:52:23 yup 18:52:31 When are we bringing back HILL dwarves? 18:52:34 that's what I want to know 18:52:45 hell dwarves 18:52:48 !!! 18:52:51 shit 18:52:55 someone suggest that to circus animals guy 18:53:01 i guess he already has, like, abyssal felids? 18:53:08 hm, maybe that's the circus animal 18:53:18 tome exists and has a huge player base 18:53:23 If you code it, they will come.... 18:53:27 abyssal kitties are crawl semi sprint 18:53:28 duh 18:53:39 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1761-g01f3dad: Reword item descriptions 10(3 weeks ago, 4 files, 294+ 397-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/01f3dad9f2e9 18:53:44 god 18:54:00 why did two people make forks at the same time? 18:54:05 this is so inconvenient for me. 18:54:09 yes, the movement changes are off by default, fungus 18:54:26 semi-sprint removed food, right? am i crazy 18:54:28 semi sprint was last updated in like... sept :P 18:54:31 or was that yet another proposed fork 18:54:34 now he wants to use some stamina system instead... as long as it's disableable, I'll stay for the 104 slot inventory ;) 18:54:38 well, I found out about it at the same time, so! 18:54:44 I have to assume that abyssal felids are a good idea 18:54:48 because they're not felids 18:54:51 lol 18:54:55 how could it possibly be wrose? 18:55:01 s/wrose/worse/ 18:55:04 don't tempt fate! 18:55:12 at least it's not raining 18:55:34 MarvinPA: oh no! the akashic record's description has shifted between planes and vanished! 18:55:45 truly tragic 18:55:50 it's raining a little bit, or it was when i was biking earlier. 18:55:58 what a world 18:56:41 i had a list of book descriptions that i was gonna make more flowery 18:56:47 what am i gonna do now? 18:57:30 imo there is room for a bit of floweriness! maybe you can find the perfect middle ground 18:57:41 heh, we never removed the highlevel book warnings? 18:57:51 maybe oklob plants can guard books that have the floweriest prose 18:58:11 well, at the very least, Fedhas should appreciate you reading the desc. 18:58:14 there used to be warnings that were generated in code i think, but yeah, extra stuff in the descs too 18:58:37 like, i feel like the the first two sentences of book of annihilations were mostly fine? the repeated sentence pattern is unfortunate and i'd have wanted to tweak that, but that's a small stylistic thing 18:59:10 a, b. a, b. <- pattern 18:59:42 book of beasts is probably about ideal (old book of beasts description) 18:59:51 A book of spells focused on the magical production of beasts, with pages made from animal skins and covers lined with teeth. 18:59:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:59:55 hm 19:00:02 maybe s/magical production/summoning 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:27 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:28 there was a point where practically every book desc was "a book of spells about , with pages made out of " 19:00:29 and also the way it uses "with" is unclear - looks like it could attach to "beasts" (beasts with pages made from...) 19:00:33 haha 19:00:36 that's cute, imo! 19:01:02 MarvinPA, the bane of all flavour! :) 19:01:09 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:01:17 imo it was bad and forced! but the beasts one isn't so bad maybe, as long as it's not something every book does 19:01:25 i'll make a note to go over current descriptions and see if i have a plan for them 19:01:38 A book of spells about , the glue binding the pages to the cover made out of 19:02:06 also i could complain about how much of a pain this is and oh what a sorrow i have so much to do but actually i live for this shit. 19:02:24 so ty :) 19:02:40 PleasingFungus: imo the comma in BoB makes it very clear that it's not the beasts that have pages 19:03:00 i guess i should put my proposed style guide somewhere at some point 19:03:05 whereas without the comma it would be the opposite 19:03:07 amalloy: it's clear-ish, but i end up doing a double-take while reading it 19:03:09 also finish writing it 19:03:22 https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/4eg8f7/informational_question_dcss_research/ 19:03:22 have to rewind the sentence 19:03:50 MarvinPA: that would be very good, indeed! 19:04:00 yeah, someone really needs to let this guy know about sequell 19:04:02 i don't like how almost all books are titled "book of [noun]" >.> 19:04:06 and the functionality there 19:04:12 ontoclasm: it's helpful for telling them apart from randbooks 19:04:18 since randbooks are never called that 19:04:23 is that important? 19:04:27 it's nice! 19:04:32 he does know about sequell 19:04:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 19:04:39 in principle, but doesn't know its capabilities 19:05:21 ontoclasm: like, 'do i need to look into this book to see what's in it?' though if you don't recognize the name I suppose you should look anyway, even if it's not a randbook 19:05:27 well he's specifically responding about it and is looking into it, is my point 19:05:35 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:05:37 PleasingFungus: hm 19:05:40 He mentioned beem, which I haven't even posted to /r/dcss yet 19:05:48 don't artifact books have artifact-colored titles? 19:05:57 I need to update the reference to cszo actually 19:06:16 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:06:37 gammafunk: i guess my thought was: someone should help him get to grips with sequell. but maybe he'll find the docs and maybe they'll be enough for him! 19:06:39 who knows 19:07:02 ontoclasm: only if you edit your rc, I think 19:07:13 yeah I think he knows about sequell and beem, but the more interesting part (maybe) was the offer to run a server 19:08:14 we can always use more servers, assuming we aren't worried about 'spear griefers' just waiting for the chance to register new accounts for very specific people (who have already registered themselves elsewhere) 19:08:47 seems like a good thing to have around tournament time [new server] 19:09:14 we've turned down a lot of offers to start a new server, telling people to wait until single sign on 19:09:15 wow, 'carnassials'. MarvinPA, did you have to look that one up? 19:09:20 amalloy: really! I had no idea 19:09:28 not nice to tell people to wait until the end of time 19:09:28 i did indeed 19:09:30 :P 19:09:30 well, "a lot". a few, anyway 19:09:32 Yeah, I know neil had felt that it's maybe bad to add any servers given scoring, but maybe if we could encourage just one person for the US 19:09:50 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:09:54 The problem is the coordination because harder with more and more servers 19:09:59 PleasingFungus: isn't the difference between not-randbooks and randbooks that not-randbooks start with "a "? 19:10:00 MarvinPA: can't believe you ruined my carefully hand-crafted fen folio description 19:10:20 But in this case we just lost one and have a lot of US players, and that server we lost was the second-most-used US server 19:10:25 nearly tied with CAO 19:10:33 minmay: er, admittedly 19:11:51 "the alliances of these monsters are not certain" this is a weird phrase 19:14:02 "grants increased experience when consumed" sounds like it's a buff to xp gain (like, drink this before killing a bunch of tough monsters) 19:14:41 is that really what !exp says? 19:14:47 as of 19:14:49 %git 19:14:49 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1761-g01f3dad: Reword item descriptions 10(3 weeks ago, 4 files, 294+ 397-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/01f3dad9f2e9 19:15:02 A truly wonderful and very rare drink, which grants increased experience when consumed. 19:15:14 i agree that is a wrong change 19:15:23 well, it previously just had the first clause 19:15:25 it seemed better than not saying anything about what it did 19:15:32 wording improvements more than welcome! 19:15:36 imo: strike "increased" 19:15:46 PleasingFungus: or replace with "a burst of" 19:15:54 it should say "drink this now you stupid fuck, no, youre not supposed to wait until you gain an XL and quaff immediately after that, just quaff it now goddammit" 19:16:01 haha 19:16:08 that's in minmaylang, obv. 19:16:13 because that is apparently the only way to stop people from doing that 19:16:21 surgeon general's warning 19:16:34 "not drinking this is known to be dangerous" 19:17:02 minmay: of course, telling people not to do something dumb is just more encouragement 19:17:04 to a certain mindset 19:17:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:17:14 minmay: but i get the most experience points if i quaff it at XL26! this is how i minmax! 19:17:19 Just make them autoquaff the moment they come into los 19:17:23 experience traps 19:17:27 !!! 19:17:35 zigs would be very disorienting places 19:17:43 "the potion of experience leaps off the floor and pours itself down your throat" 19:17:49 "drink me!" 19:18:15 The potion overimposes you on itself. 19:18:29 whoa 19:18:58 oh, good, swamp dragon armour still has the you.can_smell() special case 19:20:01 i forgot that frostbite was in the gamew 19:20:26 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:21:00 There are these experiments where you get a second marshmellow if you can refrain from eating the first one for ten minutes. Clearly, we need this mechanic for !exp. 19:21:36 that experiment is clearly child abuse. how can you *not* eat a marshmallow 19:22:11 amalloy: survival of the fittest vs obese nation? :) 19:23:00 -!- eb has quit [] 19:24:16 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:33 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:25:40 ??xw 19:25:40 xw[1/3]: D->lair->D:14->(Snake or Spider)->Vaults:1-4->Orc:1-3->Depths->??? 19:25:43 ??xw[2 19:25:43 xw[2/3]: ah, xw is trying to eat a wand of disintegration 19:25:47 good. 19:26:39 feeling like a xorn, it can happen to everyone of us 19:30:31 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1762-g2ad91c3: Item desc tweaks (PleasingFungus) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ad91c33864c 19:30:36 I wrote a long response to the reddit person. 19:30:49 (: 19:30:57 hooray for team dev 19:31:33 i think the box of beasts wording is maybe still a little awkward, but better and more informational now at least 19:31:41 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:31:58 I don't trust "pleasingfungus" 19:32:01 no reddit dev flair 19:32:09 :( 19:32:18 i was just about to ask, do you want dev flair, PF? 19:32:27 sure, though I rarely post 19:32:56 MarvinPA: I don't see any changes to box of beast description? 19:33:00 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:33:05 uh, horn of geryon* 19:33:08 ahh 19:33:11 i typed the word beasts too many times 19:33:13 -!- JChrist has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:33:14 rip 19:33:14 rip 19:34:26 okay i gave it to you, PleasingFungus. it isn't showing up when i refresh, so probably there is some caching going on but i imagine it'll arrive someday 19:34:32 i am very excited. 19:34:58 in return i expect 4chan flair if i ever visit 4chan 19:35:29 you mean SA? 19:35:55 As bad as SA is, it's not 4chan 19:37:03 or whatever PleasingFungus goes, yeah 19:37:10 i guess i have them in the same place in my head 19:37:18 i'm not an sa mod 19:37:20 thank god 19:37:31 the same place reddit would probably be if i didn't hang out there. "the wild frontiers of the internet" 19:37:35 however i would be happy to buy you a custom av. 19:37:38 ;) 19:38:15 dang 19:38:30 I have the purple monkey one 19:38:33 very exclusive 19:39:38 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:39:56 -!- Franz__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:17 ya 19:40:26 actually i think you have a ruddy-cheeked baby av now 19:40:29 sry 19:42:24 all potion descriptions should mention how they taste imo 19:42:36 ~my immersion~ 19:42:59 replace potions with pizza 19:43:17 ontoclasm: but that's randomized by color 19:43:19 surely 19:43:24 blue potions taste like blueberries. 19:43:40 also acceptable 19:44:23 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1763-g7aac3cf: Fix autofight if you remap keys (#5634). 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 102+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7aac3cfdd960 19:45:17 oh god 19:45:24 this is going to break everything, somehow 19:46:23 FR you can identify potions without spending ?id by sipping them instead of quaffing them like some kind of madman 19:46:32 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:47:46 now that has a familiar ring 19:49:34 probably will 19:49:45 could swear that was in badforums or somesuch, but all I could find was 19:49:48 72. a 3/5 Potion of Speed mixed with a 1/5 Potion of Strength and a 1/5 Potion of Gain level nets the player a Potion of "Lose 1 Point Of Accuracy For Every Level of Strength" (because it's hard to control the super fast movements). 19:50:04 which, admittedly, is a classic. 19:50:47 -!- lnt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:53:16 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:01 lol 19:57:50 -!- MarvinPA has left ##crawl-dev 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:00 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 20:03:57 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:19 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:48 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:09:03 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:09:40 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:11:09 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:26 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:14:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:31 Lasty: that seems to imply that there is a worse fate than "there are felids" 20:16:50 oh wait, that is basically what you implied anyway 20:17:00 felichs... 20:17:00 CanOfWorms: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:17:04 !messages 20:17:04 (1/1) fixit_friend said (2h 29m 11s ago): https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca/issues/171 20:18:17 These people include mildly-famous player zxc and developer gammafunk, though for all I know it's partially due to his significant personal investment in stone soup trunk. 20:18:46 i can't believe gammafunk is trying to literally murder the circus animals fork. 20:19:24 gammafunk opens his notebook and writes "dcss-ca, server crash at 5PM" 20:20:06 ProzacElf: Get on the trolley! 20:20:49 har 20:22:34 is there a defined outcome when i have two things inscribed with @v2 and press V2? 20:23:18 to be fair, as long as the trolley doesn't have felids, it's probably a decent place 20:23:31 amalloy: segfault followed by drive erasure 20:23:41 dang. remove inscriptions from online play 20:23:57 ProzacElf: who would allow felids on a trolley??? 20:24:33 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:24:37 how did he take my name instead of someone who actually does dev, like PleasingFungus?! 20:24:55 i would NEVER warn people away from playing circus animals. 20:24:57 that'd be messed up! 20:25:25 a gross breach of professional etiquette and grounds for removal from the devteam, imo 20:25:44 where is this document in which gammafunk's crimes are exposed? 20:26:14 it was good of him to call zxc only midly-famous, though 20:26:17 man these changes are getting crazy 20:26:19 *mildly 20:26:23 i'm adding it to auto-update on my server 20:27:22 nice! 20:27:38 ??dcssca 20:27:38 dcssca ~ dcss-ca[1/1]: Fork of Crawl maintained by jeremygurr. Features include 9-lived felids, the return of djinni, and expanded inventories. Try it out at https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca.git 20:27:40 amalloy: this is wrt https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca/issues/171 20:27:54 chequers: i expect the dev will be happy, he did sound a little worried about hosting costs 20:28:03 and, you know, more exposure is always good :) 20:28:09 he makes it sound as if extended inventories were a good thing -- beware the clowns! 20:28:26 you gotta roll with it 20:28:29 let him do all the crazy stuff 20:28:34 and then steal the good bits when he's not looking 20:28:37 oh, I am fine with forks 20:28:42 obviously! 20:28:48 PleasingFungus: it's not really that useful, have you tried playing crawl with 250ms+ latency? 20:28:51 how do you feel... about spoons 20:28:54 just look out for knives 20:29:00 chequers: I was arguing with my little bro the other day 20:29:05 -!- dpeg is now known as backstapeg 20:29:11 he couldn't imagine how international lag could be a problem for playing a roguelike 20:29:13 PleasingFungus: i'm catering to the niche community of australian dcss-ca players (that is: me) 20:29:19 haha 20:29:28 PleasingFungus: it's almost as bad as AFPS! 20:29:32 'i mean, it's turn-based, right?' 20:29:41 many-turn based 20:29:57 chequers: oh, the joys of recursive niches: no matter how small yours is, can always make a tinier subniche! :) 20:31:17 "things i am only willing to do at 3am on friday" 20:31:32 or, well, saturday morning i guess. i meant friday night 20:31:37 actually sandman25 was playing on CPO for a while which was surprising 20:31:43 I think he's even european, not sure how he managed 20:31:46 My Friday mornings are reserved for taking over the world. 20:32:05 chequers: shared cultural heritage. 20:32:05 chequers: lag can increase survivability in turn based games. 20:32:14 chequers: he has a lot of pateince 20:32:17 patience too 20:32:22 patients* 20:32:24 dr. sandman 20:32:28 :O 20:32:29 gonna fix up your play 20:33:05 he does have the same first name as me, I guess that's a shared heritage 20:33:31 backstapeg: clearly you have never heard players complain about lag. "it was lagging so i hit j 5 times before the screen caught up, and then i was dead" 20:33:32 Chequers Sandman the Twenty-fifth 20:33:36 spooky 20:33:38 a distinguished line 20:34:04 hang on 20:34:09 was that an austria/australia joke PleasingFungus 20:34:13 amalloy: I actually had that happen just recently w/ a kraken. I was doing a lot of similar actions on a relatively static screen... 20:34:20 no. i was rudely assuming that sandman was british 20:34:26 stab in the dark 20:34:39 well, assuming? hoping for the sake of the joke, I guess 20:34:41 i do it too on occasion. but i know it's my fault, not the lag :P 20:34:56 i often hit ESC a few times to let the "Unknown command." act as a sync point 20:34:59 i do it on a server 7ms away from me, if it makes you feel any better 20:35:13 PleasingFungus: he's not a native english speaker, so doubtful 20:35:25 feh 20:35:26 amalloy: yeah, I do that too when I know I'm lagging 20:35:53 in this particular and unusual case I literally didn't realize I was lagging 20:36:04 tho I was distracted at the time 20:36:23 anyway, australia is still in the "western european and '''others'''" UN Regional Group, so I'm gonna claim the joke worked. 20:36:25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Regional_Groups#/media/File:UN_regional_groups.svg 20:36:52 chequers: you use AWS for CPO? If so, what instance type do you use? 20:37:13 PleasingFungus'a winning strat: search wikipedia until he finds a page that says he's right 20:37:14 :D 20:37:20 I have an instance set up that's the right cost for me, but it couldn't run more than a couple games at once 20:37:30 it's an unbeatable play! 20:38:25 I'm going to be hard-pressed to find a wikipedia page that contests that 20:39:16 gammafunk: yes, t2.small 20:39:25 oh, interesting 20:39:29 Lasty: i assume |amethyst and grunt would totally let felids on the trolley 20:39:32 =p 20:39:38 gammafunk: t2.micro was enough cpu credits, but it ran out of ram compiling occasionally 20:39:41 ProzacElf: those are some dangerous allegations 20:39:54 gammafunk: linode would be cheaper except I need arbitrary amounts of disk for ttyrecs 20:39:57 chequers: and you can support multiple users on that small an instance? 20:40:05 btw, are we in feature freeze for 0.18, as PleasingFungus once suggested? 20:40:07 i've seen 10 players burbling happily along 20:40:08 what, do i need to start watching my back on the trolley? 20:40:22 When I was playing on a micro, it was quite slow 20:40:24 ProzacElf: if you don't, you probably already lost your wallet 20:40:29 even for once process 20:40:36 Lasty: 6 days 20:40:37 Lasty: the last freeze date i heard was apr 18. or maybe 16 20:40:47 18th 20:40:47 feature freeze for 0.18?!?!? it's only been 5 months since the last tourney 20:41:04 PleasingFungus: 6 more days to remove ammo brands! 20:41:07 gammafunk: do you have good latency? 20:41:12 chequers: i need to work 'burbling' into more sentences. 20:41:15 tuesday already?!? why, only six days ago it was wednesday! 20:41:18 burbling and frobbling 20:41:25 chequers: Yes, I should, us-west-2b, but I didn't test 20:41:30 also, who would bring their wallet onto the trolley to begin with? 20:42:10 gammafunk: allow icmp from anywhere in your security group and ping it. But it should be <50 if you're also in US 20:42:32 anyway, the least pressured resource for my server is CPU 20:43:14 http://i.imgur.com/0fdc5TI.png 20:44:08 what are those spikes? a daemon, crashes...? 20:44:18 btw, everyone seems to complain about Felids (I don't, but I also do not play them)... is there anyone who actually likes them? 20:44:26 PleasingFungus: compilation 20:44:36 ah, makes sense! 20:44:40 !lg * recent fe-- s=name 20:44:42 26359 games for * (recent fe--): 1297x ew, 1284x bombasticus, 458x urdrd, 389x gw, 343x mamga, 285x mooon, 280x Kaelii, 254x trailerparkvixen, 218x Engine, 205x shoobs, 197x Rayvis, 197x Yensy, 191x Clownie, 178x Tenebrium, 170x Kaiser, 156x stevs, 156x sorbius, 148x cba, 138x hong, 136x ooparts, 136x ActionAutist, 135x Monkaria, 132x droogie, 130x dawcakrwi, 117x silentsnack, 117x ww7, 116x combo... 20:44:57 !gamesby bombasticus 20:44:57 bombasticus has played 1945 games, between 2011-02-11 21:10:46 and 2016-04-10 21:57:18, won 0, high score 24635, total score 515297, total turns 3134394, play-time/day 0:09:07, total time 11d+22:53:11. 20:45:03 no devs in there --> livin proof 20:45:04 wow, majority felid 20:45:09 felids are exhausting 20:45:11 no wonder they haven't got a win! 20:45:26 hong is a server admin, fwiw 20:45:39 actually, that CPU is high enough that my credit balance is slowly frobbling down over time. It'll start flatlining in ~2mo 20:45:47 i refuse to believe that even bots would play felids that much 20:45:54 even for 9 minutes a day 20:45:56 i have a FeAE^Qaz languishing, unplayed in like a month 20:46:10 My #1 killer for felids is boredom. They're really hard to kill off, but they're so very, very boring to keep alive 20:46:17 I don't want to give wrong impressions, but if felids are universally (that is: devly) unliked, well... 20:46:39 !gamesby ihatefelids 20:46:40 ihatefelids has played 3 games, between 2016-03-19 21:11:22 and 2016-03-19 21:54:41, won 0, high score 17497, total score 17569, total turns 20995, play-time/day 0:39:31, total time 0:39:31. 20:46:43 Lasty: sounds a lot like humans IRL :) 20:46:48 !hs ihatefelids 20:46:49 3. ihatefelids the Gouger (L12 FeCK of Xom), demolished by a hill giant (a +0 giant club) on Orc:1 (Giant_Chief_Lemuel) on 2016-03-19 21:54:41, with 17497 points after 18040 turns and 0:35:08. 20:46:52 backstapeg: that's why we make crawl! 20:46:57 true!!! 20:47:15 to be clear, I don't actually hate felids 20:47:19 i'm meh on them 20:47:29 to be clear, i am not a dev, i just hate felids 20:47:30 =D 20:47:30 my feeling is that felids are probably a failed design experiment, but i'm not solid on that. just a leaning 20:47:33 (: 20:47:43 there was at least one person I could think of who liked felids 20:47:43 " 20:47:44 For example, it costs 5 mp to forget a spell with Sif. How would that ever affect real gameplay? Is it just so that it can have a cost, so it feels more substantial? Are we worried about people spamming spell forgetfulness? Is anyone going to ever be in the middle of battle, low on mp, and need to be able to forget a spell, but can't because they don't have sufficient mp? There are many abilities that are like this. 20:47:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:47:50 Take fedhas' growth, requiring 2 mp and a fruit. Why? What impact does the 2 mp cost make? It only adds needless complexity IMO. 20:47:50 PleasingFungus: that's alright, but if everyone is thinking this, we could do something about it 20:47:51 name was something cat-related 20:47:53 " 20:48:01 chequers: agreed on those 20:48:08 backstapeg: ya, I know 20:48:12 probably not in 0.18 20:48:19 FR: forgetting all your spells with sif in a short time period gives you a giant irresistable blast 20:48:20 even though technically feature freeze isn't in place 20:48:31 that's from dcss-ca about plans to make every ability use only one resource 20:48:35 chequers: until very recently, sif amnesia also had a fail chance! 20:48:47 but yeah, i think ability mp & food costs are very arbitrary in most cases 20:48:48 PleasingFungus: I wasn't thinking of short-notice specicide -- believe me please 20:49:00 excepting a few like maybe chei's abilities, maybe makh's 20:49:06 Well fedhas thing does have some gameplay impact 20:49:11 to be fair, MD was "short notice specicide" 20:49:19 ProzacElf: yes, so much fun 20:49:20 backstapeg: think big!!! 20:49:28 not to say that it's super interesting, but it's more so than sif amnesia for sure 20:49:29 chequers: is this wrt the 'stamina' resource I saw some allusion to? 20:49:37 THE ONLY GOOD FELID IS A DEAD FELID -- like this? 20:49:46 yes, much better 20:49:47 (: 20:49:56 just axe the species without discussion 20:50:18 because if you open it up to discussion then it'll become a big fight anyway, but this time you had to hear the opposing side first 20:50:22 think of the millimarvins! 20:50:23 at least in theory 20:50:24 DCSS 0.18 Spontaneous feline allergy 20:50:39 PleasingFungus: it's linked, but not directly related 20:50:41 mpa was talking about making the name refer to jewel reform 20:50:49 something about ringing in a new age... 20:51:01 PleasingFungus: stamina is a resource that doing anything depletes, but regenerates quickly 20:51:03 jewel reform? 20:51:07 jewel reform? 20:51:11 jewel reform? 20:51:14 (jewellery.) 20:51:23 ((sorry.)) 20:51:31 and here I was thinking you spoke about the crown jewels 20:51:38 how ap-PEAL-ing 20:51:48 very old versions of crawl had OBJ_GEMS 20:51:50 (bells. ringing. new age. etc.) 20:51:56 I still wish we had those 20:51:57 something i was just reminded of: many of the extended runes are in little 1x1 pockets, mostly surrounded by walls. i presume this is to prevent cTele from landing on the rune. is there any reason we can't remove those now that cTele is gone? it makes it easy to tell just from looking at X (after mapping) exactly where the rune will be 20:52:07 PleasingFungus: amethyst would like them too 20:52:11 is it a problem that you can tell where the rune is? 20:52:17 idgi 20:52:27 er, idgi ! dpeg 20:52:30 ...@ 20:52:32 !nick dpeg 20:52:33 Mapping dpeg => dpeg dpeque 20:52:38 .... 20:52:40 how? 20:52:41 -!- backstapeg is now known as dpeg 20:52:50 oh no it was dpeg all along! 20:52:51 =O 20:52:56 i never would have guessed 20:53:25 it's not very pretty leve design, that's for sure 20:53:25 amalloy: well, at least future layouts shouldn't have to do it like this, imo 20:53:40 eg the random little alcove off lom lobon's arena 20:53:44 PleasingFungus: not really, but these weird little 1x1 pockets seem like the opposite of the grand sprawling ceremony we put around other macguffins 20:53:45 I always imagine it's where lom goes to sleep at night 20:53:50 heh 20:53:53 i kind of like the 1x1 room in abyss/pan 20:54:10 it's just the rune closet 20:54:11 like the weird little back passage in tar endings 20:54:18 or many endings, yeah 20:54:34 like, the nagas need to build some big ass chamber for their rue 20:54:34 seems like something that could plausibly be changed, sure. imo talk to regret-index about it whenever they're on next, see if they have any thoughts 20:54:36 rune 20:54:57 but gloorx just throws it in with his boxes of comic books 20:56:32 oh 20:56:36 another purpose for rune closet: 20:56:39 anti-apport 20:56:41 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:56:59 which still exists, For Now 20:57:29 why does apport exist if you *can't* use it to steal runes 20:57:47 you can! just gotta use ur brainz 20:57:54 Not All Runes 20:57:56 apport items in the LOS of oklobs... 20:59:29 -!- wheals_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:59:48 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:59:52 shatter, *then* apport 20:59:55 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:11 not the other way around 21:00:49 once you've started shattering, why stop? 21:01:57 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:06 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:30 just remove apport 21:04:02 i think apport is a cool tool in the arsenal of rune-stealers, but it should require more investment than a level 1 spell 21:04:44 so you actually have to spend some non-trivial xp on it even if (like a reasonable person) you've learned blink already 21:04:49 but what resource would actually be enough? 21:05:02 L7? 21:05:22 If you're rune-stealing you have xp to burn 21:06:54 god ability... 21:07:14 4 or 5 is enough, i think. at that level, it's still "hard" for someone who mostly does melee and wears plate to get online. it's xp they have to take away from dodging or whatever 21:07:22 at 1, you get it basically free 21:10:17 it's such a weird specialized thing 21:10:25 idk if it should be a spell at all 21:10:44 i don't think it'd ever be right to spend nontrivial amounts of xp to get apport castable 21:10:55 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:11:06 apportation is useful any time there is an item you want that is not on the same square as you 21:11:09 this happens pretty often 21:11:15 it's not just "the rune stealing spell" 21:11:22 hypothetically optimal 21:11:37 it makes abyss hoovering easier 21:12:11 chequers, I'm not saying it's a good design 21:12:27 and you can hoover yaktaur bolts out from doors so you can close them! 21:12:44 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:48 FR let me close doors with stuff in them 21:14:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:22 -!- Zibudo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:17:34 -!- Xiberia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:23 -!- staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:17 give apport to lucy 21:30:09 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:31:32 ? 21:33:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:33:34 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:18 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:00 -!- staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:13 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:36:50 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:46 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:40:16 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:49 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:08 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:42 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:42 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:47:25 -!- errant_nrx has quit [Quit: EXIT] 21:56:04 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:15 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:39 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest36389 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:07 -!- StarButterfly has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:02:46 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:46 -!- Guest36389 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:05:25 prozacelf: there was a discussion about apport earlier 22:06:48 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:08:01 doom hound description contains: "the terrible power to set creatures of nightmare on its victim's trails". should either be "victim's trail", or "victims' trails". anyone care which? 22:08:26 ah 22:08:56 "it's victim's trail" would also be ok i think 22:08:59 erm 22:09:28 you already said that anyway i guess. 22:09:34 that's my first suggestion, except you added an erroneous ' to "its" 22:09:38 but it should be "it's" with the apostrophe 22:09:41 no 22:09:42 very no 22:09:47 oh right 22:09:50 fucking english 22:09:56 it is victim's trail 22:10:01 and the weird exception to the possessive for "its" 22:10:27 "hi, this is my native language" 22:11:07 doom hounds are brutal btw. i don't remember if i mentioned that last time i was in tartarus, but i approve of them 22:11:49 they were stupid back when they could summon more doom hounds that could also howl you though 22:11:59 i wish i had experienced that 22:12:04 now they're brutal but not "avoid tar at all costs" brutal 22:12:58 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:13:22 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:31 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:18:50 there was a grammat mistake in a ziggurat description iirc 22:18:57 grammar*, lol 22:19:20 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:19:31 !seen chequers 22:19:31 I last saw chequers at Wed Apr 13 01:11:22 2016 UTC (1h 8m 8s ago) saying 'hypothetically optimal' on ##crawl-dev. 22:20:55 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:22:50 bh: hi 22:23:32 hey, I'll probably have some time over the weekend to bang on score repair. The whole thing is a 10 year old rats nest of scripts, though 22:26:06 !tell |amethyst do you have any feelings on possibly migrating all of the cszo saves to cao? 22:26:07 bh: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 22:26:15 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:28:55 cool! ...although I'm not sure why you're telling me specifically :) 22:29:15 fwiw, someone on CPO is looking into building their own scoring page system, and I'm going to help out a bit with that 22:29:28 with the ultimate goal of replacing the CAO scoring pages 22:36:50 if the CPO admin wants to just build a new scoreboard, we could add a blacklist and then just import all the old data 22:36:58 yeah there is a grammar mistake in a zig description 22:37:01 that might be safer/easier than trying to hotswap the existing stuff 22:37:13 Each time a zigguarat is conquered by exiting it from the final floor 22:37:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:40:23 FR rename them to zigguarats 22:41:35 bh: not sure what you mean. multiple scoreboards can run simultaneously 22:41:59 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:11 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-1764-gf4ddf0b: They're ziggurats, not zigguarats (namelastname112) 10(32 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f4ddf0b6dc43 22:42:15 chequers: if we made a better scoreboard, we could just turn down the akrasiac board 22:42:27 r.ax has moved onto other projects. they're still running things because they're awesome 22:42:31 yep 22:42:51 that's the intention, but this project has only just been spun up 22:43:02 all it can do is print player stats to the commandline :) 22:49:11 replacing cao scoring would be good 22:52:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:05 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:34 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:55:54 bh: chequers is the CPO admin 22:56:16 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:58:35 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:32 lol 23:09:49 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:10 but do you really want to work with him? 23:13:27 i heard he has good splatratio 23:15:17 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:20:13 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:21 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:23:04 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:58 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:59 The build has errored. (master - f4ddf0b #5280 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/122681901 23:32:59 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:41:50 -!- Zibudo has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:34 hey, I was on a few hours ago asking about setting up a server, and I seem to have completed all the steps from the guide: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:server:setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles 23:42:41 however, its not really working 23:42:52 I think its because of my virtual host settings 23:43:23 because I have webtiles running, and the dglwhere notifier running, and everything else seems to be fine 23:44:04 so I guess which logs should I check to see if webtiles is runninning properly, versus does anyone know where I may have gone wrong in the virtual host settings 23:44:22 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:46:17 -!- Guest16643 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:47:00 -!- espais has joined ##crawl-dev 23:47:11 what isn't work precisely? 23:47:22 when you visit the website, what do you see? 23:47:47 http://puu.sh/ogkDB/301c68abbf.png 23:48:09 the port should be open so I don't udnerstand the problem 23:48:19 brave new world of new gTLDs 23:48:49 the error of connection refused suggests it's not your firewall but that nothing is actually listening on this port 23:48:49 run sudo netstat -tnalp | grep 8080 23:49:29 yea i am just testing it on the site before moving it. I ran the command and grep got nothing 23:49:44 try grepping for python instead 23:49:48 Quick question for you guys...I was looking at the guide for setting up the server and had a question. Do the bots also run on the same port as dcss or do they get their own port? 23:50:11 not finding 8080 means nothing is listening on port tcp/8080. the webtiles server might not be running (no python entries at all), or it's running on another port 23:50:21 espais: bots like Henzell ? 23:50:28 yea 23:50:35 yea no python either, but running the service works fine 23:50:42 espais: those are irc bots, so they use the irc port 23:50:43 so I am not sure how this is working 23:50:45 espais: those are daemons/background services running on the server that are just like irc lcients 23:50:53 ah, damn 23:51:02 espais: they don't have any port they listen on, all they do is connect out to freenode/wherever you configured 23:51:17 my environment only allows 2 open ports at the moment....80 for http and an additional 'special' one that i'd had opened 23:51:27 Zibudo: when you say 'running the service works fine', what do you mean? 23:51:42 you mean running `python server.py`? or something else 23:51:49 @chequers, but the irc connection goes via a special port for irc, right? 23:51:58 particularly: /etc/init.d/webtiles start 23:52:03 espais: well to make an irc bot, you only need an outgoing connection, you don't need to listen on a special port 23:52:21 espais: I suspect your host only restricts *incoming* ports to 'only two can be open', and *outgoing* connections are unrestricted 23:52:22 ah, ok 23:52:34 its a university firewall...its pretty well locked down 23:52:57 it probably does allow outgoing irc connections though 23:53:00 Zibudo: ah, I don't know what that init.d script does but try running the start command by hand and see if you get any errors 23:53:00 i'll give it a shot though 23:53:18 worth a shot. Sometimes uni firewalls will specifically block IRC though 23:53:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:53:56 dumb question, is the server.py under crawl-dev or the chroot of crawl 23:54:22 espais: you can run this on your server to see if irc is accessible: echo . | nc -w 5 chat.freenode.net 6667 23:54:29 espais: if you see output, the irc bot should work 23:54:47 i'll give that a shot 23:54:51 Zibudo: try find /path/to/crawl-dev /path/to/chroot -name server.py 23:55:03 i found it thanks 23:55:34 i run sudo python server.py 23:55:38 and nothing pops up 23:56:17 there should at least be some output 23:56:22 does 'sudo ls -a' work? 23:56:31 yea 23:57:19 so when you run sudo python server.py it hangs with no output? 23:57:45 oh sorry, to be more specific it just does nothing really 23:57:55 I run it 23:57:59 is there any text output? 23:58:01 and it brings the command line back 23:58:07 with no output 23:58:30 ok, immediately after the command line comes back, run: echo $? 23:58:39 do you see 0, 1 or some other number 23:58:43 so draconian monsters use a set of tiles 23:59:03 it returns 0 23:59:06 like, there is a colour and job tile 23:59:26 how do i set a player tile to show both? 23:59:34 is there a way? 23:59:42 Zibudo: just to confirm, the server.py contents are https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/webserver/server.py ?