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Mara blinks! Mara falls into water! Mara drowns. 01:00:00 not sure how that was allowed to happen; this was in swamp 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:15 -!- omarax has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:08:51 -!- LordSloth has left ##crawl-dev 01:10:24 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:35 -!- EspressoDan has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:11:52 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1267-gff090c1 (34) 01:19:38 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1267-gff090c1 (34) 01:21:21 -!- phyphor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:24:15 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:41:56 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:49:31 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:52:42 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:54:42 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1267-gff090c1 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:56 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:36 gammafunk: we discussed this... this morning? last night? 02:12:49 gammafunk: check the logs, but long story short is "we don't know how that happened" 02:13:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:14:32 Would you believe me if I said that I knew because of some incredible debugging I performed, but I'm not telling? 02:14:41 No. 02:14:54 I don't see a patch... 02:15:22 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:15:27 !commit Don't let Mara drown himself 02:15:28 03gammafunk * 0.18-a0-1550-gf0e44e1: Don't let Mara drown himself 10(in the future, 29 files, 213+ 770-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0e44e1 02:16:01 hmm... 02:16:13 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:17 what if the player can drown by blinking, rarely? 02:18:21 :| 02:18:34 player and monster blinking code are surprisingly distinct 02:18:39 not much overlap 02:18:52 source: the time I accidentally let players drown by blinking 02:18:53 why are they so different? 02:19:03 !send zxc crawlcode 02:19:03 Sending crawlcode to zxc. 02:19:25 but... what is the reason for them to be different? 02:19:43 technical debt? 02:20:10 at the time I joined the devteam, about two years ago, monsters were allowed to blink through transparent walls - but *only* if the player couldn't see their start or end-point, so you couldn't tell that they'd done that. 02:20:15 a very specific and mystifying form of cheating... 02:21:25 that's very strange 02:21:44 it really was 02:23:52 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 02:25:31 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:28:47 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0/20160123151951]] 02:41:37 -!- IrkenInvader has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:42:27 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:43:40 -!- EspressoDan has quit [Client Quit] 02:53:20 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:53:34 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1267-gff090c1 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:54 -!- HalfStep_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:03:11 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:13:35 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:14:50 -!- EspressoDan has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:15:10 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:15:12 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23:07 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1267-gff090c1 (34) 03:24:42 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:02 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:30:50 haha 03:30:52 funny 03:31:07 although there were times i'd suspected something like that happened 03:31:07 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:37:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38:23 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:41:10 so i just got one of my first Fragile items, and i think it's pretty cool. strong enough to change how i swap my rings around, but not so overwhelmingly strong i'm 100% sure i'll wear it forever: Left ring : d - the ring of the Country {Fragile Str+4 Int+9 Dex+2, =R} 03:54:14 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 03:57:32 amalloy: I don't think there's any association between Fragile and the other properties on the artefact, is there? 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:24 i don't know. i don't see any evidence that there is any 04:00:41 i thought there was, though 04:00:42 just checking 04:03:11 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:04:38 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:16 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 04:14:09 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:16:37 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:18:21 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:19:20 i love PoG in vaults so much. the vault warden secret tech 04:38:46 -!- Torax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:41:27 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:42:05 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:44:19 god you can get such hilarious amounts of defenses if you know what you're doing 04:44:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:46:35 43/44/21 with heroism, ozo's, and phase shift up 04:48:14 This is why phase shift and ozo's deserve to not be removed :v 04:49:13 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:10 !streak 04:50:17 Lightli has 2 consecutive wins (MiAr, HESk), and can keep going! 04:50:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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"detached HEAD mode") 13:23:20 geekosaur: no, but it says that "Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged, 13:23:23 and have 1 and 63 different commits each, respectively." 13:23:50 I didn't do anything on my branch (oubliette) since New Year's. 13:24:11 -!- robbje has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:17 git status seems to indicate the differences are only in contribs. 13:24:18 <|amethyst> what does git status say exactly? 13:24:21 <|amethyst> ah 13:24:24 * dpeg_ will never grok contribs. 13:24:34 <|amethyst> contribs are always ugly 13:24:39 contribs > dpeg 13:25:02 submodules weird git. more than it already is. 13:25:05 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:27 do I have to do this hard reset thing? 13:26:03 I don't think so 13:26:06 you probably shouldn't 13:26:26 but I wanna pull so that I can finally repair the loot of my trove :) 13:27:42 you can safely try `git rebase origin/master`, but i'm kinda confused why it says (a) you're not on a branch, but (b) your branch has diverged from master 13:28:14 same 13:28:57 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:30:46 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:31:25 because dpeg has made a local commit against master, presumably 13:32:49 -!- falu has quit [Client Quit] 13:33:49 welp 13:34:12 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:34:21 what's a good way to just scrap all local changes and pull everything from master, including oubliette? 13:34:26 dpeg_: what to do from here depends on what that one commit is and how important it is 13:34:43 run this to start with 13:34:45 not important 13:34:48 oh 13:34:53 what is the one commit? 13:35:05 but please tell me how I could look at what I'd lose 13:35:10 I don't even know! 13:35:18 git log HEAD^..HEAD | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us 13:35:23 will give you a link 13:35:33 with which we can see the commit description :) 13:35:46 if you'd rather just see it yourself, omit the | and everything past 13:35:52 (also I am assuming you have curl locally) 13:35:55 http://sprunge.us/SdDi 13:36:08 oh 13:36:08 okay 13:36:23 well that's interesting 13:36:37 why does it complain about just this commit? 13:36:38 because that's also what remote master has at this point 13:36:55 so ?????? 13:37:16 anyway, if you are working off the oubliette branch, you should just be able to "git checkout oubliette" to resume your work 13:37:39 this comes later, right now I want to fix my river trove, so that's for master 13:37:45 okay 13:38:08 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:38:24 <|amethyst> if git status is still complaining about contribs 13:38:31 next week I should be able to add oubliette content 13:38:40 <|amethyst> cd to top-level and git submodule update 13:39:24 things are more seriously broken here by now: 13:39:24 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:39:34 peg@dis:~/crawl-ref$ git pull 13:39:35 error: Pull is not possible because you have unmerged files. 13:39:35 hint: Fix them up in the work tree, and then use 'git add/rm ' 13:39:35 hint: as appropriate to mark resolution and make a commit. 13:39:35 fatal: Exiting because of an unresolved conflict. 13:39:37 and 13:39:47 <|amethyst> what does git status say exactly? 13:39:49 dpeg@dis:~/crawl-ref$ git submodule update 13:39:49 what does git status say right-- yes 13:39:50 fatal: reference is not a tree: 881acfc2d9217f122147fbb5b21b2b141c4300c3 13:39:50 fatal: reference is not a tree: 710ea426a54999192b21bab80b46f11aaaa4753e 13:39:50 fatal: reference is not a tree: 42f0cfa93c5bffc184ad7961c766c229aff8d16c 13:39:50 Unable to checkout '881acfc2d9217f122147fbb5b21b2b141c4300c3' in submodule path 'crawl-ref/source/contrib/lua' 13:39:52 Unable to checkout '710ea426a54999192b21bab80b46f11aaaa4753e' in submodule path 'crawl-ref/source/contrib/pcre' 13:39:55 Unable to checkout '42f0cfa93c5bffc184ad7961c766c229aff8d16c' in submodule path 'crawl-ref/source/contrib/sqlite' 13:40:04 dpeg@dis:~/crawl-ref$ git status 13:40:05 rebase in progress; onto ff090c1 13:40:05 You are currently rebasing branch 'oubliette' on 'ff090c1'. 13:40:05 (fix conflicts and then run "git rebase --continue") 13:40:05 (use "git rebase --skip" to skip this patch) 13:40:07 (use "git rebase --abort" to check out the original branch) 13:40:13 <|amethyst> git rebase --abort 13:40:24 (This must be how most of my students when I teach them math: I have no clue what's going on :) 13:40:41 fortunately you have the help of several git ninjas 13:40:42 |amethyst: and now the submodules? 13:40:49 <|amethyst> see what git status says now 13:40:56 Grunt, |amethyst: yes, thank you so much! 13:41:17 dpeg@dis:~/crawl-ref$ git status 13:41:17 On branch oubliette 13:41:17 Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/oubliette'. 13:41:17 Changes not staged for commit: 13:41:17 (use "git add ..." to update what will be committed) 13:41:19 (use "git checkout -- ..." to discard changes in working directory) 13:41:22 modified: crawl-ref/source/contrib/lua (new commits) 13:41:24 modified: crawl-ref/source/contrib/pcre (new commits) 13:41:27 modified: crawl-ref/source/contrib/sqlite (new commits) 13:41:42 git checkout master 13:41:45 should get you back to master 13:42:27 dpeg@dis:~/crawl-ref$ git checkout master 13:42:27 M crawl-ref/source/contrib/lua 13:42:27 M crawl-ref/source/contrib/pcre 13:42:27 M crawl-ref/source/contrib/sqlite 13:42:27 Switched to branch 'master' 13:42:29 Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged, 13:42:32 and have 1 and 63 different commits each, respectively. 13:42:34 (use "git pull" to merge the remote branch into yours) 13:42:42 that one is Fungus' statue form commit, right? 13:42:46 well 13:42:46 <|amethyst> what does git show say is your top commit? 13:42:51 ^ 13:43:22 dpeg@dis:~/crawl-ref$ git show 13:43:22 commit 0075b116fd2a66692b4995354a4d8c1dd4688363 13:43:23 Author: David Ploog 13:43:23 Date: Mon Feb 1 00:47:33 2016 +0100 13:43:23 Fix typo. 13:43:25 diff --git a/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/godspeak.txt b/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/godspeak.txt 13:43:28 index c912315..138b6fb 100644 13:43:30 --- a/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/godspeak.txt 13:43:33 +++ b/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/godspeak.txt 13:43:35 @@ -717,7 +717,7 @@ w:5 13:43:38 Gozag says: Don't bother me unless you have something to purchase. 13:43:40 13:43:43 w:5 13:43:43 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:43:45 -Gozag says: Only money gety you out of stagnation and depression. 13:43:48 <|amethyst> aha 13:43:48 +Gozag says: Only money gets you out of stagnation and depression. 13:43:50 ... 13:43:53 now I see: when I did the few new god speech lines, there was a typo, which MarvinPA fixed faster than me 13:43:53 ah, that was fixed already 13:44:06 and I am still sitting on my unpushed commit 13:44:14 <|amethyst> git reset --hard HEAD^ to drop that commit 13:44:29 <|amethyst> (and also the contrib differences I think) 13:44:53 still have contrib differences, but git status is clear now --- thanks! 13:45:00 will play the piano and then do my trove 13:45:11 <|amethyst> submodule update will fix the contribs I think 13:45:20 <|amethyst> git pull will fast forward you 13:45:25 <|amethyst> then you can make your commit, yeah 13:46:22 |amethyst: actually it didn't, but I never really have to worry about contribs. It only means I cannot use git commit -a, but have to add files individually. (I am on a remote linux machine, in case that matters.) 13:46:34 contribs are for windows? 13:46:54 I think OS X also uses them to some extent? 13:47:01 <|amethyst> there's for anywhere you don't have the development libraries for SDL etc on your computer 13:47:12 * dpeg_ suggests to drop Windows and OS X support. 13:47:18 So he can use git commit -a. 13:48:21 <|amethyst> see if git submodule sync first helps? 13:48:41 <|amethyst> maybe you're still pointing at gitorious submodules or something? 13:48:45 -!- Blade-_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49:08 <|amethyst> or 13:49:16 <|amethyst> if you don't need the submodules on your machine 13:49:22 <|amethyst> git submodule deinit --force 13:49:35 <|amethyst> which should just forget about them entirely 13:50:06 <|amethyst> (and you'd have to do git submodule update --init if you needed them back for some reason) 13:57:02 !messages 13:57:03 No messages for TZer0. 13:59:12 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:55 !tell TZer0 No messages for TZer0. 14:02:55 Grunt: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 14:03:41 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:05:05 -!- vale_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:42 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1216-gb89976c: Make the captain's cutlass deal bonus damage when disarming 10(8 days ago, 4 files, 34+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b89976c320a8 14:08:27 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:43 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:20:52 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:35 is there something like player::can_see_invisible that only considers racial muts? i'd like to know "will the player have SInv all game no matter what happens" 14:25:39 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:01 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:28:06 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:28:56 <|amethyst> hmm 14:28:58 <|amethyst> what for? 14:29:21 <|amethyst> usually we consider mutations and god abilities to be permanent for those purposes 14:29:35 |amethyst: to suppress "you feel perceptive" messages when putting on, eg, helmet of SInv 14:29:53 I thought it was decided to not worry about those 14:30:06 <|amethyst> ah, then treating mutations and god abilities as permanent is fine 14:30:11 (similarly how poison resistance comments even on poison-immunes) 14:30:20 <|amethyst> so you can use can_see_invisible(false, false) 14:30:23 well, rPois+++ is the thing i most want to fix 14:30:43 -!- eb_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:46 that one's easy because you can check for non-temp rPois+++ 14:30:48 <|amethyst> OTOH, I would argue that you want a message of some kind 14:30:52 why? 14:32:05 <|amethyst> flavour and consistency with things like faith for demigods, stasis for formicids 14:32:39 <|amethyst> I guess the item will be IDed to the message area anyway 14:33:16 if you wanted to print a different, more interesting message, like demigods get for "faith, that seems fine to me 14:33:19 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:33:34 but printing "you feel resistant to poison" for ghouls, or "you feel perceptive" for spriggans seems anti-flavourful 14:33:46 <|amethyst> yeah 14:36:34 "You feel smug." 14:36:49 geekosaur: FR print that at the beginning of all games 14:36:58 because the player knows they are playing the best game there is 14:37:01 -!- WalrusKing has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:26 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:24 only if we don't show 14:47:26 ??rare messages[4 14:47:26 rare messages[4/26]: You wake up in a daze, and can't recall much. 14:49:34 -!- ursan has quit [Client Quit] 14:51:39 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:10 <|amethyst> oh, poking around there I found something for @crawlcode 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:06 ! 15:00:25 v good 15:02:55 -!- omnirizon has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:05:51 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:11:27 -!- vale__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:56 -!- vale_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:27:48 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:28:32 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:29:11 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:34:00 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:52:15 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:53 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:39 are we discussing charm changes 16:09:49 because my last HESk is a living example of how those buffs are clearly perfectly fine in every single way :v 16:10:17 !log . HESk 16:10:18 30. darkli, XL27 HESk, T:76863: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/darkli/morgue-darkli-20160206-094009.txt 16:21:14 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:13 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:25:54 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:40 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:15 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:36:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:43 -!- Harudoku has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0/20160123151951]] 16:40:55 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:41:47 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:42 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:07:46 -!- grimmulfr` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:09:12 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:13:56 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 17:15:24 does "ITEM: acquire amulet" work? Probably not. 17:16:56 it doesn't, because "amulet" isn't an item type 17:16:57 but 17:17:06 yeah 17:17:09 you should be able to, say, "ITEM: any amulet superb_item" 17:17:14 let me go see if that works 17:17:47 ah 17:17:49 any amulet good_item 17:18:20 oh 17:18:21 actually 17:18:26 oh 17:18:40 I was about to say "acquire amulet" works, but it is synonymous with "acquire jewellery" 17:18:45 so you get rings with that syntax too 17:18:54 "any amulet good_item" only gives amulets :) 17:19:34 oh nice 17:21:33 if you're feeling particularly generous, you can also 17:21:35 any amulet randart 17:22:31 * dpeg_ feels like Santa right now 17:23:01 you should try harder to feel like Sigmund 17:23:09 !send dpeg_ Satan Claus 17:23:10 Sending Satan Claus to dpeg_. 17:23:21 only Grunt kinda beat me to it 17:23:42 * dpeg_ rummages around for that scythe. 17:29:25 -!- grimmulfr` has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:23 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:32:51 -!- CacoS_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:15 what are reasonable options for "make"? My bash history has forgot :O 17:35:45 dpeg_: the default of simply `make' is fine for building console 17:36:00 yeah 17:36:04 yeah 17:36:12 yeah, it does work, but I recall 1kb always had something about more processors 17:36:12 assuming you are just running from the source directory 17:36:18 dpeg_: -j# 17:36:24 oh, that's a good one 17:36:33 where # is usually "number of physical cores plus one" 17:36:36 where # is the number of cores you have ...yeah 17:36:42 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:44 yeah 17:36:45 yeah 17:36:51 1learn add yeah 17:39:16 thx 17:42:48 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:44:41 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:49:07 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:49:32 perl: warning: Setting locale failed. 17:50:00 and it fails with the defaults :( 17:50:10 I wonder what is going on here, it compiled for years 17:53:06 failed how? 17:53:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:22 Grunt: see private /msg. 18:01:52 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:03:08 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1267-gff090c1 (34) 18:03:43 /msg Grunt yeah 18:12:15 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:24:35 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:26:04 -!- physeK has quit [Client Quit] 18:32:28 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:46 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:38:02 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 18:50:05 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:50:31 -!- grimmulfr` has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:51:49 i just use `nice make -sj8`, regardless of number of cores. it's a high enough number i'll notice the speedup, and `nice` emans it won't take away all the cpu from whatever else i want to do. it's less efficient than konwing number of cores, but not by enough that i care 18:59:09 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:54 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:13 03DrKe02 07* 0.18-a0-1216-gb89976c: Make the captain's cutlass deal bonus damage when disarming 10(8 days ago, 4 files, 34+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b89976c320a8 19:07:13 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1269-g9a10749: Merge pull request #231 from drke2/cutlass 10(6 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9a10749235fb 19:12:30 03dpeg02 07* 0.18-a0-1270-ge469acd: Replace !cure mutation in troves by !cure/beneficial mutation. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e469acda5a7c 19:12:30 03dpeg02 07* 0.18-a0-1271-g4a32cfd: Improve loot for trove_garden. 10(44 seconds ago, 1 file, 17+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4a32cfdbed93 19:12:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:13:07 oh nice 19:13:09 power creep!!! 19:13:10 thanks wheals 19:13:14 also river trove buff 19:13:18 is it the end of days 19:13:19 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:13:24 !send dpeg_ scythes 19:13:24 Sending scythes to dpeg_. 19:13:31 thanks everyone for the patient help 19:13:41 the p in dpeg stands for patient 19:13:56 it may be too generous, but at least people can enjoy river trove for a bit now :) 19:14:51 chequers: for #216, it would still be nice if you could add them to removed_items and remove them from redundant places (like in _give_basic_knowledge) 19:15:23 !remove redundancy. 19:15:23 03Grunt * 0.18-a0-1551-g3014157: Remove redundancy. 10(in the future, 15 files, 601+ 608-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3014157 19:19:46 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:21:11 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 19:21:30 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:22:02 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:22:02 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:24:27 da patient evil genius 19:25:15 Death, patiently: "Everyone goes..." 19:26:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 19:28:50 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28:50 -!- culcube has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28:50 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:00 another !cmut related thing: should the shop price be reduced 19:36:51 DrKe: yes, probably a bit 19:38:05 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:38:09 i just wrapped up a game with ozo's, c.shield, regen, and shroud. is there a petition for charm-tedium reform i can sign? 19:42:24 -!- sk3 is now known as ktgrey 19:42:51 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:46:16 -!- rj54x has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:48:09 same but it was ozo's, phase shift, regen, and my numbers were completely nuts 19:48:25 oh and the occassional rmsl/dmsl 19:48:59 (40/41/19 with ozo's and phase shift but no heroism) 19:49:39 (Heroism raised that to 43/44/21) 19:50:04 and then wearing the +6 protection ring and using an agility pot I hit 49/51/22 19:50:35 i just make a macro 19:50:40 but sometimes you don't want to cast all of them 19:50:58 because of time constraints or some would be useless 19:51:01 or you miscast one, etc 19:54:41 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:57:35 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:58 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest85316 19:58:32 -!- adamzap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:59:51 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:00:01 also I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with ozo's and phase shift because they make numbers go up :v 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:35 we have a more important number to go up 20:00:38 the dead player count 20:00:38 -!- njorth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:32 <|amethyst> perhaps I should crosspost my latest CYC diss to hurricos in one of the Charms threads 20:01:38 but if we put player defenses in places that are too tedious to use then they will be weaker and die more 20:01:48 <|amethyst> If it's a buff 20:01:49 <|amethyst> That you desire 20:01:49 <|amethyst> That's too tough 20:01:49 <|amethyst> Die in a fire 20:01:50 <|amethyst> Burma-Shave 20:01:53 KILLED_BY_TEDIUM 20:02:46 !learn add |amethyst <|amethyst> If it's a buff <|amethyst> That you desire That's too tough <|amethyst> Die in a fire <|amethyst> Burma-Shave 20:02:46 |amethyst[23/23]: <|amethyst> If it's a buff <|amethyst> That you desire That's too tough <|amethyst> Die in a fire <|amethyst> Burma-Shave 20:03:50 <|amethyst> !learn add buff see {|amethyst[buff]} 20:03:50 buff[1/1]: see {|amethyst[buff]} 20:03:52 <|amethyst> ??buff 20:03:52 buff[1/1]: see {|amethyst[buff]} 20:04:00 <|amethyst> !learn edit buff[1] s/buff/23/ 20:04:01 buff[1/1]: see {|amethyst[23]} 20:04:03 <|amethyst> ??buff 20:04:03 |amethyst[23/23]: <|amethyst> If it's a buff <|amethyst> That you desire That's too tough <|amethyst> Die in a fire <|amethyst> Burma-Shave 20:04:03 ??buff 20:04:03 |amethyst[23/23]: <|amethyst> If it's a buff <|amethyst> That you desire That's too tough <|amethyst> Die in a fire <|amethyst> Burma-Shave 20:04:20 <|amethyst> !learn edit |amethyst[23] s/ |amethyst[23/23]: <|amethyst> If it's a buff <|amethyst> That you desire <|amethyst> That's too tough <|amethyst> Die in a fire <|amethyst> Burma-Shave 20:04:41 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:06:05 -!- Guest85316 is now known as debo 20:08:41 I assume the issue is less the tedium and more "they do nothing but make numbers go up that can be raised by several other methods" 20:10:03 i.e. how ozo's with high spellpower makes stda better than anything upto FDA or IDA, and comparable with high armor skill PDA 20:10:41 while making it still be easy to cast spells 20:12:17 or how phase shift lets you get evasion comparable to that of light armor in heavy armor (or lets those in light armor hit Spriggan level EV, or just lets Sp EV become absurd) 20:13:41 with Stoneskin as our torch, we'll hopefully get the rest too, sooner or later 20:15:28 does anything give the ozo's armor effect outside of the spell 20:17:15 no? 20:17:41 excuse me while I make a patch to remove ozo's armor and free myself from the curse of picking IE over FE 20:18:06 !remove Lightli. 20:18:07 03Grunt * 0.18-a0-1552-g2672939: Remove Lightli. 10(in the future, 44 files, 704+ 707-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2672939 20:18:09 just pick FE anyways 20:18:22 you can sticky flame something and make it stand in conjured flame 20:18:26 if I understood correctly, Phase Shift and Ozocobu's might actually be easy pickings.... for the latter people want an IE spellbook replacement 20:18:54 archaeo suggested Hibernation 20:19:02 I'll do it 20:19:02 well, anything you could realistically replace it with would constitute a massive IE nerf, but it is the 2nd best background in the game already 20:19:18 just give me a bit of time 20:19:20 DrKe: people seem fine with nerf, just not with pure removal 20:19:48 DrKe: there's also the thing that FE and IE have a different feel, which would get lost if CS and OA just get cut 20:20:28 it is a lot of the distinctiveness of IE 20:20:34 IE also becomes more similar to Su i guess 20:20:42 I was going to leave condensation shield in actually so that feel wouldn't be lost completely 20:20:53 it's just ozo's armor is kind of hilariously overpowered 20:21:14 the thing is, ozos is not the only amazing spell that background has 20:21:23 freeze and ice beast are also basically the best in their respective niches 20:21:30 yeah 20:22:29 it's to the point where throw icicle while also an excellent spell is not even necessary 20:22:48 and throw icicle is incredible to the point where I've used it in Zot 20:23:12 like it doesn't start falling off with full spellpower until you're dealing with ancient liches and orbs of fire 20:23:46 it compares very favorably to IMB 20:23:48 oh wow I found an old patch I did to remove healers :v 20:23:49 and IMB is what everyone else uses 20:26:46 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:26:47 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:08 I know I've mentioned some of this before, but every time I play Crawl these days, I'm impressed by how tactical and difficult parts of the midgame have gotten. Just wanted to thank the devteam again for all the cool changes 20:30:29 one small issue is that removing ozo's armor leaves ice magic without any level 3 spells in their starting book 20:30:43 Blade-: Grunt will interpret your kind words to mean it's too easy :) 20:30:53 dpeg: you have Grunt confused with this dpeg person. 20:31:15 dpeg: haha. I came here specifically because of my fourth or fifth midgame splat in a couple of days because I'm so used to coasting through it 20:31:38 !lg demonblade xl>12 20:31:39 104. demonblade the Shatterer (L18 OgGl of Fedhas), blasted by a frost giant (bolt of cold) (kmap: shoals_iceberg_rune) on Shoals:4 on 2016-02-05 00:43:17, with 172825 points after 40919 turns and 1:31:33. 20:31:45 * Grunt cackles. 20:31:45 actually that explains it 20:31:48 Blade-: yes, it's also noticeably harder for me 20:31:49 I've been playing on hyperblade a lot also 20:31:54 !lg hyperblade xl>12 20:31:55 12. hyperblade the Cruncher (L15 DgWn), mangled by a tarantella on Spider:1 on 2016-02-07 01:26:11, with 118030 points after 38592 turns and 1:30:47. 20:32:00 ozo's armor is literally the only level 3 spell as it stands 20:32:01 DEMIGODWANDERER 20:32:05 that's ice magic 20:32:55 should I forge ahead anyways and just mention a need for a replacement in the commit? 20:33:33 oh, is ozo's the next on the chopping block? 20:33:47 yeah 20:33:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:59 I don't think EH would make much sense for IE. 20:33:59 and so is PleasingFungus 20:34:37 metabolic englaciation then? 20:34:56 maybe. 20:35:04 Blade-: please do not pay any attention to lightli. 20:35:07 he is not a dev. 20:35:41 PleasingFungus: you found an already existing spell to replace Stoneskin in the EE book. I count on you! 20:35:47 er 20:35:49 in a sense 20:36:07 I mean, passwall was there already... 20:36:12 so 20:36:15 it gets a pass 20:36:40 yeah the main issue is there isn't another level 3 ice magic spell right now 20:36:40 !banish Grunt 20:36:41 PleasingFungus casts a spell. Grunt is cast into the Abyss! 20:36:52 !send beam.cc PleasingFungus 20:36:52 Sending PleasingFungus to beam.cc. 20:36:53 so cutting ozo's as it stands would leave a noticable hole in the starting spellbook 20:37:18 an ... ice hole? 20:37:28 is that a pun in german? 20:38:37 I just realised that when you rotate "pun" by 180 degrees, it becomes "und" 20:39:07 um 20:39:12 !flip pun 20:39:18 (╯°□°)╯︵und 20:39:18 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:39:18 ! 20:39:26 !flip um 20:39:27 (╯°□°)╯︵ɯn 20:39:34 wanderer 20:39:35 !flip wn 20:39:35 (╯°□°)╯︵uʍ 20:39:36 surely 20:39:44 umwn 20:39:49 unwon? 20:40:05 my current vague thought is to give ozo's ponderous and, possibly, boost its ac slightly. 20:40:42 cshield can probably just go; the concept of 'something that takes up your shield slot that isn't a shield' is okay but '...and it's an effect that gives you sh' is not very exciting. 20:40:56 could possibly replace it with the dpeg hex, if we like the dpeg hex. 20:41:03 something about weapon damage reduction. 20:41:56 well it doesn't really take up your shield slot at all, because 2h weapons are so popular 20:42:03 oh right, true 20:42:13 well, cshield doesn't have to be part of the same discussion as ozo's 20:42:15 i don't think it would need a buff to counteract the pond 20:42:38 so hold off on making the remove ozo's patch then? 20:43:14 until dpeg crosses the pond to seize my computer and make the 'remove charms' patch himself, probably. 20:43:26 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:43:43 DrKe: players will complain more if there isn't a buff. 20:44:02 on the note of things to remove, random char just gave me feae 20:44:10 you know people will just go ozo's + swiftness 20:44:11 and then die when swiftness runs out 20:44:15 sounds good 20:44:24 PleasingFungus: I am fine with the slowpoke approach. Let's not add any new evil buffs, and remove one for each release... problem solved by 2030! 20:44:25 :) 20:44:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:44:52 dpeg: what's wrong with buffing the level of evilness in the game? 20:44:53 * Grunt cackles. 20:45:28 "Ozocubu's Envelope, Ice/Hexes 3: If cast successfully, the target will have its weapon slowed down by an icy envelope. All melee attacks deal 10%-50% less damage." <- effect should probably be boosted dramatically (consider that confusion is a 1-school spell with a stronger effect), and it might be interesting to make it slow attacks instead of reducing damage 20:45:49 but maybe that'd just encourage silliness involving taking a hit and then booking it for the stairs, like ogre clubs do now 20:46:00 probably 20:46:03 fundamental idea seems reasonable, anyway 20:46:06 PleasingFungus: yes, it was just a random attempt to show that player buffs would generally work as monster debuffs (Charm->Hex) 20:47:57 by the way, I've been meaning to compile some statistics, but I should check here first: is there data anywhere for the spells most often used by players? 20:47:58 would a patch to remove condensation shield be acceptable? I've never used it 20:49:01 Blade-: you could crawl the logs? Many players enable this data. 20:49:17 that's my plan. just wanted to make sure it hadn't been done yet 20:51:09 Lightli: sounds like a good reason that you shouldn't be the one to remove it 20:51:16 ok 20:51:27 if you don't understand a thing, how can you know that it should be removed? 20:51:30 :) 20:51:57 How much SV does condensation shield give anyways 20:52:22 8 + pow * 15/100 20:52:26 ??condensation shield 20:52:26 condensation shield[1/2]: Creates a shield that doesn't require a hand to wield (can be used with two-handed weapons, but not with a real shield). Melts when hit by fire. Stacks with the {helm card} and TSO's divine shield. SH granted is 4 + pow*3/40. 20:52:28 er 20:52:31 divide that by two 20:52:39 yeah, what the entry says 20:52:48 should probably rescale all uses of shield class at some point 20:53:01 yeah I feel like a 5 shield skill buckler is about as strong 20:53:34 -!- siepu_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:51 <|amethyst> 5 skill buckler is incompatible with 2h weapons 20:53:55 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:53:55 are you suggesting that cshield should be removed because it's too weak? 20:55:29 a weird thing that I'd forgotten about: DUR_MAGIC_SHIELD 20:55:33 a combination of being too weak and circumventing the big drawback to using a 2H weapon over a 1H weapon 20:58:39 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [] 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:59 i actually don't think it's weak 21:03:24 Neither do I. 21:03:51 like even with just modest power it's going to give more sh than a +6 reflection ammy 21:03:55 except without the reflection 21:04:11 gotta sleep... I'm sure you guys will do me a favour and make my Sunday by removing some spell in the meantime :) 21:04:24 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: remove 'em all] 21:04:38 !remove dpeg 21:04:39 03PleasingFungus * 0.18-a0-1553-g4a0d38f: Remove dpeg 10(in the future, 26 files, 703+ 860-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a0d38f 21:04:42 oh wow, it's already done...! 21:09:06 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:11:53 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:13:27 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 21:14:16 -!- IrkenInvader has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:20:31 here's a q. if ozo's armour gives ponderous 1, is duration increasing with spellpower actually good? 21:21:06 which is to say: should this change make duration no longer scale with spellpower? 21:21:29 here's an opinion which might surprise you 21:21:44 wow, the current duration... 21:21:45 i don't think ponderous 1 has a noticable impact 21:21:56 unless you are trying to create space to go upstairs 21:22:33 here's a fun question: what is ozocubu's armour's duration 21:22:45 here's a not fun answer: idk 21:23:04 20 + random2(pow) + random2(pow), max 50 21:23:07 turns 21:23:37 so on average you're hitting max duration for a cast at 30 pow, and it gets ever more likely from there 21:23:38 so at 30 pow you are already at the max on average 21:23:40 yeah 21:23:47 so basically it already has a constant duration 21:23:50 that makes your dilemma easy 21:23:54 except at very low power 21:24:10 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:24:39 well, if ponder 1 isn't enough, it can always be ponder 2. but I'm inclined to try 1 first. 21:24:47 it doesn't have to be a huge disadvantage, and probably shouldn't be. 21:25:02 just enough to make the situation sometimes relevant. 21:25:32 that wasn't really what i was trying to argue for 21:25:40 just saying that the duration thing was not really a concern 21:25:46 and it turns out it really is not given that formula 21:26:12 i wonder 21:26:15 is stoneskin like that too 21:26:20 or was, i should say 21:27:11 phase shift is 21:27:39 you.increase_duration(DUR_STONESKIN, 10 + random2(pow) + random2(pow), 50); 21:27:42 stoneskin is 10 + r2pow + r2pow, max 50 21:27:43 it's 10 instead 21:27:44 ya 21:27:44 lol 21:27:57 ??stoneskin 21:27:57 stoneskin[1/2]: In 0.15, 8+2d(power) turns of +(2 + pow/20) AC. Incompatible with Ozos, being undead, and all transforms except Statue Form and Blade Hands. Sorry, Crawl doesn't want you to have much AC. However, unlike Ozocubu's Armour, Stoneskin will work with heavy armour. In {statue form}, stoneskin also adds 1 + pow*3/50 AC. 21:28:10 phase shift +(2 + 21:28:11 man 21:28:17 man I'm bad at typing 21:28:53 !learn e stoneskin[s/In 0.15, // 21:28:53 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/// 21:28:59 !learn e stoneskin[1 s/In 0.15, // 21:28:59 stoneskin[1/2]: 8+2d(power) turns of +(2 + pow/20) AC. Incompatible with Ozos, being undead, and all transforms except Statue Form and Blade Hands. Sorry, Crawl doesn't want you to have much AC. However, unlike Ozocubu's Armour, Stoneskin will work with heavy armour. In {statue form}, stoneskin also adds 1 + pow*3/50 AC. 21:29:10 !learn e stoneskin[1 s/In {statue.*// 21:29:10 stoneskin[1/2]: 8+2d(power) turns of +(2 + pow/20) AC. Incompatible with Ozos, being undead, and all transforms except Statue Form and Blade Hands. Sorry, Crawl doesn't want you to have much AC. However, unlike Ozocubu's Armour, Stoneskin will work with heavy armour. 21:29:17 in the year 015015 21:29:41 !learn e stoneskin[1 s/Ozo's/Ozo's, Cigotuvi's/ 21:29:41 No change: regex `Ozo's` does not match `8+2d(power) turns of +(2 + pow/20) AC. Incompatible with Ozos, being undead, and all transforms except Statue Form and Blade Hands. Sorry, Crawl doesn't want you to have much AC. However, unlike Ozocubu's Armour, Stoneskin will work with heavy armour. ` 21:29:49 !learn e stoneskin[1 s/Ozos/Ozo's, Cigotuvi's/ 21:29:49 stoneskin[1/2]: 8+2d(power) turns of +(2 + pow/20) AC. Incompatible with Ozo's, Cigotuvi's, being undead, and all transforms except Statue Form and Blade Hands. Sorry, Crawl doesn't want you to have much AC. However, unlike Ozocubu's Armour, Stoneskin will work with heavy armour. 21:30:01 !learn e stoneskin[1 s/$/ Removed in 0.18. 21:30:02 stoneskin[1/2]: 8+2d(power) turns of +(2 + pow/20) AC. Incompatible with Ozo's, Cigotuvi's, being undead, and all transforms except Statue Form and Blade Hands. Sorry, Crawl doesn't want you to have much AC. However, unlike Ozocubu's Armour, Stoneskin will work with heavy armour. Removed in 0.18. 21:30:04 there. 21:30:07 ??stoneskin[2 21:30:07 stoneskin[2/2]: No, there is no special stoneskin/gargoyle interaction. 21:30:20 important to know 21:30:34 that's only there because there used to be! 21:30:38 ^ 21:30:47 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:31:12 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1272-g2ecadc7: Make Ozocubu's Armour give Ponderous 1 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ecadc732d3e 21:31:19 i don't remember that 21:31:25 are you sure that wasn't lava orcs 21:31:38 it was gargoyles 21:31:44 no, it was gargoyle. it wasn't that widely known, and even less widely understood 21:31:48 which is why it was removed 21:31:50 did LO also have something 21:31:52 lava orcs couldn't cast it 21:31:59 they had innate stoneskin 21:32:10 except when it melted 21:32:10 ...until they got hot 21:32:25 !lg . loee 21:32:26 1. DrKe the Severer (L17 LOEE of Lugonu), slain by a sea snake (kmap: shoalhut_rune) on Shoals:5 on 2013-11-14 05:45:47, with 194179 points after 69416 turns and 4:44:05. 21:32:32 shameful 21:33:28 !hs * loee 21:33:28 542. heteroy the Petrodigitator (L27 LOEE of Jiyva), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-06-24 10:42:40, with 2267282 points after 77452 turns and 8:13:15. 21:33:35 jiyva... 21:33:46 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:35 as if their attributes weren't nebulous enough 21:40:27 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:41:20 is/should it possible to be moved (move_player_to_grid/moveto_location_effects) to a position where is_feat_dangerous is true? 21:41:45 wizmode &m maybe 21:42:01 or X&T or w/e 21:42:04 I guess landing in lava from the air might actually go through these methods as well before death 21:42:14 I guess that's just XT 21:42:27 since this is where fall_into_a_pool is called 21:43:47 what a wonderful function name. 21:44:58 I'm trying to simplify the conditionals (where possible) while splitting out merfolk start/stop swimming to an idempotent function 21:45:03 player.cc:455 21:45:15 @mantis 10253 21:45:19 !mantis 10253 21:45:20 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10253 21:45:36 (what's the command to link to source?) 21:45:43 !source player.cc:27 21:45:43 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l27 21:45:50 !source fall_into_a_pool 21:45:50 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/terrain.cc#l1512 21:46:04 I wish you luck. 21:46:08 !source player.cc:455 21:46:09 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l455 21:46:20 specifically, why we don't stop swimming if is_feat_dangerous 21:46:36 best guess "if we're on our way to player-is-dead, don't bother" 21:47:11 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:47:32 crawl code is fuckin mysterious 21:47:46 This function only gets called if we're already moved/being moved to here, so I think is_feat_dangerous == player about to die, right? 21:54:42 I'll leave in that condition, even though I intend for this method to be called at a point after the player would already be dead, just in case 21:54:44 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:55:39 debating if I should make the method specifically merfolk_check_swimming, or try to keep it general-purpose 21:55:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1273-g8ec5f8e: Make Ozocubu's Armour dur not scale with power 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ec5f8e882bf 21:56:30 merfolk swimming and lava-orc temp are the only player variables that really update with the environment 21:56:41 note that lava orcs do not exist 21:57:16 which is why I was not bothering to split the "enter/leave lava" messages from the lava orc temp updates, and leave that code where it is 21:57:28 !lm * lo alive 21:57:39 1. [2015-04-03 00:43:11] sugary the Warrior (L22 LOFi of Cheibriados) killed Jory on turn 60391. (D:20) 21:57:50 !lm sugary 21:57:52 2545. [2015-04-08 02:58:14] sugary the Brawler (L14 GhMo of Nemelex Xobeh) reached level 8 of the Lair of Beasts on turn 27921. (Lair:8) 21:58:05 |amethyst pointed out there's not much reason to persist you.fishtail 21:58:08 anyway 21:59:05 persisting you.fishtail in memory (not .sav files) is helpful to know if there's a need for "your tail/legs" messages without knowing where and what form the player had previously 21:59:06 so you're saying that's 21:59:07 fishy 21:59:32 specifically the change messages 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:11 -!- Jamo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:00:25 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:33 the idea of this method is to handle the logic of if you should be swimming or not, then call start/stop swimming for message (those return if you.fishtail is already correct, so are idempotent) 22:02:12 this would also allow removing conditionals elsewhere that nearly replicate the same check before calling move_player_to_grid or similar 22:02:36 (Currently looking in transform/untransform, but I think there's some others like it) 22:03:01 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:22 I guess I'll just make it merfolk specific since there's no other player state updates that are similarly dependent on location 22:05:33 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:05:35 this also means transform/untransform don't need to call move_player_to_grid if the player hasn't moved / landed from flight 22:05:50 since that breaks an assumption made by those methods 22:10:57 that seems like a good change 22:13:00 if a (bool quiet) argument was added, could also have this called when loading from save, but I'll save remembering how to safely update tags.cc for a later commit 22:18:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0/20160123151951]] 22:35:51 huh, even without my changes there's another funny message: Mf in dragon form, trying to cast an invalid form (spider) over deep water 22:36:02 You would drown in your new form. x2 22:36:11 probably shouldn't be doubled 22:36:55 more mysteries 22:37:39 I just faced a ghost that could cast death's door. 22:37:42 We let ghosts cast DD?? 22:38:51 ... 22:38:58 that sounds like a bug 22:39:20 I hope they can't actually cast it even if they actually have it 22:40:19 yeah, ditto 22:40:24 but seems like they shouldn't even have it 22:41:44 -!- driftw00d has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:43:42 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:45:46 <|amethyst> qoala: I'm going to call you the poopsmith because you're shovelling the shit no one else wants to deal with :) 22:46:09 <|amethyst> qoala: you are the true eminence grise (eminence marron?) behind the King of Town 22:46:30 heh, I like figuring out what stuff is _supposed_ to be doing 22:46:33 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:46:39 sometimes it takes me to the sewer 22:46:53 crawlcode will certainly keep you busy... 22:48:19 I've drifted in and out of here a few times over the past few years. Sometimes other things make me too busy. 22:58:51 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:05 New branch created: pull/233 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/233 23:02:05 03qoala02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/233 * 0.18-a0-1274-g5d8936c: Clean up merfolk swimming checks (#10253) 10(28 minutes ago, 3 files, 40+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5d8936c91b48 23:03:23 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:03:29 -!- Joermdis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:26 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:04:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:47 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:06:49 -!- Harudoku_ is now known as Harudoku 23:07:06 -!- Harudoku` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:07:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:14:19 ah, found the source of the doubled "not safe" message 23:14:23 ? 23:14:40 both _transformation_is_safe and transform will print the message generated by the former 23:14:51 You would drown in your new form. x2 23:15:05 found while trying various cases with the merfolk tail 23:19:17 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 23:19:58 ??spider_form 23:19:58 spider form[1/1]: No weapons or armour, but you get (UC + 5) base damage (untransformed is UC + 3), a venomous bite, loads of EV (better than being a spriggan) and impeded spellcasting. Spider form has 2 AC, rPois- and gives 5 bonus dexterity. 23:20:30 !learn add spider_form https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=19049 23:20:31 spider form[2/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=19049 23:22:00 -!- lnt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:25 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:35:57 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:06 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 23:40:39 -!- HalfStep has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:12 -!- nomicflux has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:41:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:42:29 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:08 03qoala02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/233 * 0.18-a0-1275-ged9d141: Don't double-print message for unsafe transformations 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed9d141527c5 23:59:33 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1273-g8ec5f8e (34)