00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:29 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:08:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:11:31 random question: does archmagi stack 00:11:39 i.e. robe of the Archmagi + Hat of the High Council 00:12:13 yes 00:12:14 it does 00:12:47 deminishingly? 00:12:54 ??? 00:12:56 beyond spell power's stepdowns 00:13:06 archmagi + glowinghat = two enhancers 00:13:26 ??spell power 00:13:26 spell power[1/5]: (Spellcasting/2 + 2*avg school skill) * INT/10 * (1.5 ^ enhancer count). Spellpower has diminishing returns over 50: http://tinyurl.com/oeme7aj - Stepdown formula is min(pow, 200, 50*log_2(1 + pow/50)). Capped at 200. Negative spell enhancers use 0.5, not 0.66. 00:13:43 enhancers are calculated before the stepdown is applied 00:15:05 oh, so two enhancers is more than twice as good? 00:15:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:15:34 or does each one add 33% less 00:15:36 maths is ahrd 00:22:24 -!- sitnaltax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:08 -!- Jessika has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:27:40 more than twice as good would be >2 rather than 1.5, no? 00:31:08 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 00:47:43 oh god I just had a bolt of cold reflect back onto me 00:50:16 the 2nd enhancer would add more raw spellpower than the first one did, but since it takes more and more raw spellpower to get true spellpower 00:50:21 the true effect would possibly be less 00:50:39 ime anyway the first one is the most noticable 00:50:53 @chequers 00:56:33 -!- toastedzergling has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:56:40 complex 00:57:25 Your +6 warlock's mirror {reflect} reflects the Teleport Other! 00:58:25 hah 00:58:29 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:17 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:03:05 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1121-gb454403 (34) 01:04:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:18 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11:01 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:12:46 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:14:41 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:05 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1121-gb454403 (34) 01:23:02 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:23:47 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:29:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:30:16 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:31:51 -!- GiantOwl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:47:24 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:48 -!- cck has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 01:51:09 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:54:32 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 01:54:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:54:40 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:55:12 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1121-gb454403 01:55:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Client Quit] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:07 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:12:36 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:12:49 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:14:05 !lg . 02:14:06 3544. gammafunk the Bludgeoner (L27 HuSk of Xom), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-01-18 07:05:08, with 1558628 points after 74771 turns and 8:38:24. 02:14:14 thank god that's over with 02:14:46 -!- Adeon is now known as Adeooooooooooooo 02:15:07 -!- Adeooooooooooooo is now known as Adeon 02:15:13 !won gammafunk word 02:15:14 gammafunk (word) has won 3 times in 156 games (1.92%): 1xFeCK 1xGhEE 1xHuSk 02:15:21 oh, cool 02:15:23 there's at least that 02:15:52 !lg * won word playable s=char 02:15:54 1026 games for * (won word playable): 111x SpAs, 65x HOMo, 50x HOAr, 47x MuCK, 44x HOCK, 42x SpAr, 38x TrAM, 37x TrEE, 35x FeCK, 32x HEWn, 28x TeAr, 27x HaCK, 26x HuCK, 26x TeAs, 25x HONe, 24x MuSk, 24x DEMo, 23x MiEn, 23x HuSk, 22x TrIE, 22x TeAM, 22x FoAM, 22x HECK, 20x OpEn, 19x GhEE, 18x DECK, 18x MiNe, 17x DESk, 17x GrAM, 17x SpAM, 17x TeAK, 16x FeAr, 15x DrAM, 15x HEAr, 14x DEAr, 8x TeEn 02:15:57 few more to go 02:15:59 I was about ready to enter zot, cast haste and phase before entering 02:16:09 and a death cob came out of the zot stairs 02:16:14 and then xom turned me into a spider 02:16:26 nothing bad just really really silly 02:17:18 sounds helpful 02:18:14 -!- Drusha21 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:18:15 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:18:39 -!- royiv_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:36:47 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:38:43 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:22 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:48:57 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:50:03 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1121-gb454403 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:19 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:03:09 -!- schistosoma has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:11:32 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1121-gb454403 (34) 03:17:41 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:26:25 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:27:04 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 03:38:29 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:39:57 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:54:36 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56:01 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:58:21 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:07 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:10:25 I am glad to report that the warlock's mirror is awesome 04:11:05 Your +6 warlock's mirror {reflect} reflects the report! 04:11:46 It reflected a malmutate back onto the cacodemon that cast it, malmutating IT instead 04:19:00 -!- FireSight has quit [] 04:22:38 working as intended :) 04:22:40 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 04:28:56 -!- West1C has quit [] 04:31:40 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:34:24 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:36:44 !lg SevenDeadlySins 04:36:45 1913. SevenDeadlySins the Unseen (L18 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a death scarab on Spider:4 (floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb) on 2016-01-18 09:32:06, with 237637 points after 57051 turns and 2:56:57. 04:37:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:38:34 !tell floodkiller looks like your vault got its first kill! !lg SevenDeadlySins spen xl=18 place=spider:4 04:38:35 johnstein: OK, I'll let floodkiller know. 04:38:37 -!- chewymouse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:40:55 !lg * map=floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb 04:40:56 1. SevenDeadlySins the Unseen (L18 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a death scarab on Spider:4 (floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb) on 2016-01-18 09:32:06, with 237637 points after 57051 turns and 2:56:57. 04:41:16 !lg SevenDeadlySins 1913 04:41:17 1913. SevenDeadlySins the Unseen (L18 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a death scarab on Spider:4 (floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb) on 2016-01-18 09:32:06, with 237637 points after 57051 turns and 2:56:57. 04:42:02 johnstein: using the number is the best way to permanently reference a certain game, just fyi 04:42:16 unlikely he dies with another spen on xl18 in spider 4 anytime soon :P 04:43:12 Medar, yea I knew what I posted was dodgy 04:43:34 but at almost 2am I didn't feel like figureing it out (and figured someone else might be able to just do it) 04:43:37 oh 04:43:39 game number 04:43:41 not gid 04:43:56 yea, that would have been super easy 04:43:59 oh well 04:44:03 ty! 04:44:15 !lg SevenDeadlySins x=gid 04:44:16 1913. [game_key=SevenDeadlySins:cszo:20160018023517S] SevenDeadlySins the Unseen (L18 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a death scarab on Spider:4 (floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb) on 2016-01-18 09:32:06, with 237637 points after 57051 turns and 2:56:57. 04:44:46 I guess that's even better 04:45:06 well, more foolproof anyway 04:46:18 !lg SevenDeadlySins spen xl=18 place=spider:4 1 04:46:19 1. SevenDeadlySins the Unseen (L18 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a death scarab on Spider:4 (floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb) on 2016-01-18 09:32:06, with 237637 points after 57051 turns and 2:56:57. 04:46:28 still works! 04:46:35 easier than giving the game number but just as specific 04:46:44 ah yea 04:46:48 didn't see the 1 04:47:00 !lg * kmap=floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb 1 04:47:01 1. SevenDeadlySins the Unseen (L18 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a death scarab on Spider:4 (floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb) on 2016-01-18 09:32:06, with 237637 points after 57051 turns and 2:56:57. 04:47:27 !mapkills floodkiller 04:47:36 1. SevenDeadlySins the Unseen (L18 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a death scarab on Spider:4 (floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb) on 2016-01-18 09:32:06, with 237637 points after 57051 turns and 2:56:57. 04:47:41 !cmd !mapkills 04:47:41 Command: !mapkills => !lg ${2:-*} !boring !won (( map=~$(replace . $nick ${1:-${nick}}) || kmap=~$(replace . $nick ${1:-${nick}}))) $* 04:47:45 oh that's neat 04:47:52 !mapkills 04:47:52 !mapkills . 04:48:01 116. doomgape the Ruffian (L4 GhMo), slain by a gnoll (a +0 spear) (kmap: amalloy_card_club) on D:2 on 2016-01-17 15:29:09, with 79 points after 1252 turns and 0:06:31. 04:48:09 244. kak the Imperceptible (L16 SpEn of Ashenzari), mangled by a wolf spider (kmap: johnstein_spider_rune_arachne_lair) on Spider:4 on 2016-01-17 11:52:00, with 144718 points after 39590 turns and 8:21:37. 04:48:15 my one and only vault, slowly racking up kills 04:48:19 !mapkills . s=place 04:48:20 No games for johnstein (!boring !won ((map=~johnstein || kmap=~johnstein))). 04:48:26 almost exclusively d:2 gnolls 04:48:32 .jsmap s=place 04:48:52 246 games for * (map~~johnstein || kmap~~johnstein): 79x Vaults:5, 64x Snake:4, 40x Swamp:4, 30x Spider:4, 8x D:3, 8x D:2, 5x Spider:3, 4x Vaults:4, 3x Swamp:3, 2x D:4, D:9, D:6, D:8 04:48:55 the snake one is a bit obnoxious 04:49:31 !lg * kmap~~johnstein snake x=kmap 04:49:32 62. [killermap=johnstein_snake_rune_scales] TheGoonsmith the Bludgeoner (L19 HuBe of Trog), shot by a naga sharpshooter (bolt) (kmap: johnstein_snake_rune_scales) on Snake:4 on 2016-01-17 07:18:04, with 187283 points after 36915 turns and 2:14:06. 04:49:48 !vault johnstein_snake_rune_scales 04:49:49 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/snake.des#l1394 04:49:56 it's a fun one 04:50:08 not sure i've done that one 04:50:15 !lg * recent place=snake:4 s=kmap 04:50:16 1239 games for * (recent place=snake:4): 528x, 136x snake_pit, 86x grunt_snake_rune_serpentine_throne, 84x snake_pit_salamanders_mu, 77x uniq_vashnia, 73x grunt_snake_rune_pools, 62x johnstein_snake_rune_scales, 43x snake_hunt, 37x grunt_snake_rune_spirals, 23x minmay_snake_end_coiled, 13x uniq_mara, 12x uniq_saint_roka, 11x uniq_nikola, 10x uniq_jorgrun, 7x uniq_aizul, 5x uniq_asterion, 4x uniq_w... 04:50:32 I seem to always get it :P 04:50:41 .jsmap name=johnstein 04:50:42 No games for 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SevenDeadlySins the Unseen (L18 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a death scarab on Spider:4 (floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb) on 2016-01-18 09:32:06, with 237637 points after 57051 turns and 2:56:57. 11:59:00 !lm sevendeadlysins br.end=spider spen -tv:>$ 11:59:02 2. SevenDeadlySins, XL18 SpEn, T:54665 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:00:09 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:32 spidertomb, spidertomb 12:00:45 does whatever a tomb can 12:01:20 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:24 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:02:36 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:04:52 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1121-gb454403 (34) 12:05:29 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:07:42 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:24 Trying to Tab stuff in the glyphs mode in tiles gives me "failed to move towards target" error, even while I'm standing on the dry and perfectly level ground. 12:08:31 Is this a known thing? 12:08:39 shouldn't have tried to run from fast enemies while slowed 12:09:37 !lm sevendeadlysins br.end=spider spen -log 12:09:38 SevenDeadlySins, XL18 SpEn, T:57051: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/SevenDeadlySins/morgue-SevenDeadlySins-20160118-093206.txt 12:10:22 oh boy, it killed someone! and I figured it would be an enchanter 12:10:22 Floodkiller: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:10:24 !messages 12:10:25 (1/1) johnstein said (7h 31m 51s ago): looks like your vault got its first kill! !lg SevenDeadlySins spen xl=18 place=spider:4 12:11:07 uses of potion petition the entire game for that char: 0 12:11:20 lots of potions sitting in inventory (including haste) 12:11:24 and flight 12:11:37 5 scrolls of blinking 12:11:49 clearly need to nerf the vault. 12:11:51 yeah, that seems like there could have been a solution with almost 10k gold 12:12:02 did you see the tv? 12:12:08 no 12:12:18 !lm sevendeadlysins br.end=spider spen -tv::channel=spidertomb:>$ 12:12:19 Broken query near '=spidertomb:>$' 12:12:23 !lm sevendeadlysins br.end=spider spen -tv:channel=spidertomb:>$ 12:12:24 2. SevenDeadlySins, XL18 SpEn, T:54665 (milestone) requested for spidertomb: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:12:31 -!- sanka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:12:32 that http url to watch him clear spider 12:12:41 well, almost clear spider:4 12:12:43 I should say 12:12:47 warning: long tv..... 12:12:53 it's not that long 12:13:01 it's from entry of spider:4 until death 12:13:12 but yeah like 5-8 mins 12:14:06 OK, it's not specific to glyps mode. 12:14:13 Autofight is just being weird for me. 12:14:22 guess it's 8-9 mins, judging from my message to PF's message, but maybe PF is a torporfungus 12:15:35 Eh, whatever. I'm being ignored anyway. :P 12:15:36 -!- somebody has left ##crawl-dev 12:17:53 * PleasingFungus feels torpid. 12:20:38 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:22:00 looks like it was dying by playing too fast 12:22:21 aren't they all 12:28:05 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:29:22 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:29:22 !lm * br.enter=wizlab milestone~~moon 1 12:29:27 1/643. [2015-04-09 19:22:52] Crut the Scorcher (L22 HuFE of Vehumet) entered Lehudib's Moon Base on turn 77846. (Vaults:4) 12:29:36 !lg crut hufe br=wizlab 12:29:37 1. Crut the Scorcher (L22 HuFE of Vehumet), demolished by a moon troll in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2015-04-09 21:26:12, with 337666 points after 79833 turns and 8:36:30. 12:29:49 first one to enter moon base died to the moon troll 12:30:30 -!- Tilgour is now known as Tilogour 12:31:14 alas we can't query for the first person to see a certain rune vault 12:34:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:35:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 12:38:06 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:40:09 rip singularity 12:42:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:48:54 why was moon troll singularity removed? 12:50:48 because singularity was removed 12:52:39 but the spell that you could learn was removed first, while moon troll and pan lords still could use it 12:55:19 moon troll casting singularity was a cool challenge, maybe too powerful, but number tweaking would've worked 12:56:28 zxc: what tactics are you supposed to use versus monster singularity? 12:57:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:59:01 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:59:02 killing quickly, blinks, summons 12:59:17 I didn't get to explore it much because I only encountered it twice 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:15 it was powerful enough that I was luring it to the end of the corridor and blinking past, haste-running to the loot 13:00:38 summons don't really help much versus singularity itself aside from trying to get a summon between you and the singularity, so it can't pull you in further 13:01:00 but it tried to be like movement paralysis that did damage 13:01:01 summons to distract, increase dmg output etc 13:01:16 distract what? the singularity doesn't have targets nor melee 13:01:31 before the moon troll casted singularity of course 13:01:31 if you mean kill it before it casts, that's not what I mean 13:01:52 I mean, once it's cast singularity, what are you going to do besided blink 13:01:55 *besides 13:01:57 once singularity was down, blinks or repositioning 13:01:58 runnnnn 13:02:05 @?? singularity 13:02:05 unknown monster: "singularity" 13:02:11 unknown monster: "singularity" 13:02:11 %0.16?singularity 13:02:26 I don't get how we're discussing what to do during singularity and bringing up what happens either before it casts or after its gone 13:02:30 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e 13:02:30 %0.16?-version 13:02:33 fr fix this 13:03:13 hellfire can be unavoidable, but that is over and one turn, and it doesn't also prevent normal movement when it hits 13:03:15 well repositioning was so important only because it dealt so much damage 13:03:27 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:30 you can just reduce its damage 13:03:52 again, I don't see how this is any better than just paralysis that doesn't check mr 13:04:05 we have giant eyeballs for that 13:04:12 bring back giant eyeballs 13:04:14 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:15 paralysis blocks actions 13:04:15 <_< 13:04:39 another point: not sure how worthwhile it was to maintain a huge, complicated piece of code like singularity when it appeared on so few, rare monsters 13:04:45 getting caught in a merfolk net is far more interesting than getting paralysed by rupert 13:05:34 I think getting caught in a net would be a lot better than singularity, yeah, and paralysis is certainly interesting enough on its own 13:07:36 I don't see what's interesting about paralysis 13:08:21 it lets you start a different character 13:08:22 petrification at least allows a choice of actions and isn't RNG-death 13:08:52 -!- Shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:09:07 mostly, since it's beam-targetted (the good forms of it are, anyhow), you have a chance to block it two different ways (los/positioning and MR), and its a short-duration malus that may or may not lead to a lot of damage 13:09:14 the all-los forms of it aren't very good 13:10:25 thankfuly those are both very simple implementations code-wise and very rare for the player to see 13:10:31 the all-los forms, I mean 13:11:55 also, as someone whose name rhymes with "deflate" once said, an interesting thing about para is that it's much much less dangerous at long range: if rupert paralyses you from across the screen, that may just allow him to close to melee. if he paralyses you from a tile away, watch out! 13:12:09 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:26 ...deflate? 13:12:29 yeah, short duration allows aspects like that 13:12:29 you can still die from a long range para 13:13:05 I died on a tengu in vaults from a first-turn paralysis at long range (7 turns) and went from 100% to dead 13:13:10 well you can die from a long range bolt of fire 13:13:20 I don't think anyone is denying that you can die from it 13:13:34 you can't die in one turn from a long range bolt of fire at 100% hp 13:13:39 untrue 13:13:40 of course you can. 13:13:59 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 8519 | Sp: b.fire (3d40) [06!sil], fireball (3d43) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 13:13:59 %??orb of fire 13:14:10 more like: ??mu, ??felid, etc 13:14:21 yeah or just early monster with a wand of fire even 13:14:29 ijyb 13:14:30 sure 13:14:31 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:37 those early wands should be removed anyway 13:14:46 R E M O V E 13:14:48 but rF+ is more or less guaranteed by zot 13:15:00 well, so is high MR 13:15:00 and even on felids you often have > 120hp by zot 13:15:06 high MR is not guaranteed by vaults 13:15:35 or by whenever you come across rupert 13:15:40 some things can kill you a bit more easilly from the edge of your LOS at some points, yes 13:15:49 I would argue that para really isn't one of them. 13:15:52 or orc wizards with confuse 13:17:15 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:18:26 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:28 but final thing I'd say about it is that tornado is probably the better monster spell like singularity, if you like the "hampers movement and damages you" thing 13:18:36 -!- Nexos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:18:39 mostly because the monster is at the center of it, the caster, I mean 13:19:04 it also inhibits movement towards or away less because it has a larger radius 13:19:22 I'm just not giving the moon troll tornado because that's silly, trolls can't cast tornado 13:20:01 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:35 (it's actually because it's an earth-themed wizlab that's pretty hard and it'd be weird to give it both a Most Powerful spell and to have the theme of that spell be air) 13:20:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:08 I have thought about either giving it lcs or just putting a couple friends in its rather spacious lair, but I'll think on that 13:21:15 but it's a moon _troll_ 13:21:37 what would be more trolly than the boss casting tornado in an earth-themed portal vault 13:21:38 What is a troll?! *Throws wine glass* 13:22:18 <|amethyst> solution: L9 Earth spell, "Sandstorm", that is tornado with a different cloud type 13:22:29 daaang 13:22:39 oh u 13:22:56 I would like a tornado of flying projectiles like IOODs 13:23:05 daaang (x2) 13:23:26 <|amethyst> Could also add a L9 air spell, "Concussive Blast", that does LOS damage, reduced against non-fliers 13:23:44 <|amethyst> and maybe knocks out walls etc 13:24:22 !lg * recent killer=jorgrun max=dam x=dam 13:24:23 240. [dam=140] Bartledoo the Earth Mage (L17 GrEE of Vehumet), blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Swamp:2 on 2015-04-09 02:17:50, with 138070 points after 58880 turns and 4:36:05. 13:24:46 speaking of things that can kill you the turn you wander into their los... 13:24:55 no Gr has died to shatter that was flying 13:25:15 !lg * recent killer=jorgrun !gr max=dam x=dam 13:25:16 210. [dam=134] McCoppin the Wrestler (L19 TrHu of Cheibriados), blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Vaults:2 on 2015-03-03 21:21:31, with 275286 points after 41196 turns and 4:22:23. 13:25:21 speaking of things that can kill you the turn you wander into their los... 13:25:37 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 13:25:40 don't wander around in statue form 13:25:43 sigh 13:25:50 and with chei 13:25:57 !lg * recent killer=jorgrun !gr status!=statue max=dam x=dam 13:25:58 204. [dam=134] McCoppin the Wrestler (L19 TrHu of Cheibriados), blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Vaults:2 on 2015-03-03 21:21:31, with 275286 points after 41196 turns and 4:22:23. 13:26:00 that at least you can control 13:26:05 !lg * recent killer=jorgrun !gr status!~~statue max=dam x=dam 13:26:06 204. [dam=134] McCoppin the Wrestler (L19 TrHu of Cheibriados), blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Vaults:2 on 2015-03-03 21:21:31, with 275286 points after 41196 turns and 4:22:23. 13:26:09 hrm 13:26:15 !lg * recent killer=jorgrun !gr max=dam x=dam,status 13:26:16 210. [dam=134;status=petrified] McCoppin the Wrestler (L19 TrHu of Cheibriados), blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Vaults:2 on 2015-03-03 21:21:31, with 275286 points after 41196 turns and 4:22:23. 13:26:21 hah 13:26:25 wasn't even statue 13:26:41 !lg * recent killer=jorgrun !gr status!=petrified !chei max=dam x=dam,status 13:26:42 81. [dam=129;status=statue-form,regenerating] 4thArraOfDagon the Bludgeoner (L16 OgAM of Okawaru), blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Snake:4 on 2015-12-26 10:04:37, with 107275 points after 15861 turns and 1:52:57. 13:27:05 !lg * recent killer=jorgrun !gr status!=petrified status!=statue-form !chei max=dam x=dam,status 13:27:05 78. [dam=88;status=protected from physical damage,studying Maces & Flails,repel missiles] GoblinBomb the Grappler (L17 TrMo of Qazlal), blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Shoals:3 on 2015-12-29 20:42:01, with 160168 points after 28250 turns and 2:37:14. 13:27:22 88 dam, are you happy zxc?! 13:27:40 ;_; 13:27:44 no 13:27:55 nerf jorgrun max damage 13:28:07 nerf everything 13:28:12 stupid nerf 13:28:23 <|amethyst> cut all monster damage in half 13:28:27 <|amethyst> also cut player HP in half 13:28:31 cut everything in half 13:28:32 <|amethyst> counter power creep 13:28:33 or...double all player damage? 13:28:46 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:50 nerf all damage 13:28:53 player and monster 13:28:56 we do have amulets of harm 13:29:00 <|amethyst> I prefer to think of that as giving others an excuse to nerf players 13:29:03 the best amulet 13:29:19 replace all paralysis with petrification 13:29:29 if you made harm a 50% both ways, I would love it even more 13:29:43 unrandart harm amulet at 50%? 13:29:44 <|amethyst> not with petrification entirely 13:29:51 amulet of Suicide 13:30:01 Amulet of Meatsprint 13:30:08 <|amethyst> but I wouldn't mind seeing paralysis giving you a turn or so of slowness first 13:30:13 amulet of killing EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE DUDES 13:30:18 <|amethyst> should not give the AC though 13:30:24 |amethyst: you feel your limbs stiffening? 13:30:44 remove ac bonus from petrification? 13:30:48 it should turn you into some kind of scarecrow 13:31:06 you're paralyzed but you have a passive fear aura 13:31:07 come on, I am talking in a language you devs should understand 13:31:16 every suggestion has 'remove' in it 13:31:28 I'm actually a net + dev, sorry 13:31:35 make monster petrify create a cloud of calcifying clouds, then make it so that spending a turn in a cloud instantly petrifies you; then give the one turn to paralysis 13:31:44 <|amethyst> Yeah, you want MarvinPA or wheals 13:32:51 <|amethyst> catoblepas petrification is already easy enough to avoid, not sure that making basilisks use the same mechanism would be great 13:33:44 catoblepas is easy to dodge because it's a line, I'm saying more like a 3x3 (or bigger) smite cloud 13:34:40 though that wouldn't fit the flavor of basilisks, I guess 13:35:01 I think their breath only works to the extent that it is something you can move out of 13:37:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 13:40:30 -!- AltReality has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:14 deleted warlock_mirror and tombspider branches 13:43:40 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:51 is there any particular reason catlobes don't have a breath timer 13:44:34 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:45 oh, they don't? 13:44:53 no 13:45:00 @??catobplepas 13:45:00 unknown monster: "catobplepas" 13:45:01 as long as they see you they can breath every single turn 13:45:02 i'm not sure whether to delete the zig-stacking branch 13:45:05 wheals: thanks, forgot to delete it 13:45:07 it was merged but then reverted 13:45:08 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:14 eh, may as well 13:45:42 i hope this doesn't confuse Cheibriados 13:46:11 regret-index stopped by and agreed to make some changes to the patch, before reminding the channel that he hates us all and then leaving 13:46:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:46:31 shouts, "What's happening?!" 13:46:40 so I guess a new patch for the zig sets will be forthcoming?? 13:47:11 if/when that happens it'll be on the pull request though presumably 13:47:29 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:18 well, |amethyst made the PR based on the patch 13:48:58 and the old branch got deleted, so the old PR is probably kaput 13:49:39 ah ok, well if the PR is gone we should probably keep the branch? since i could also just take a look at it and mess with it a bit and merge it, i imagine 13:49:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 13:50:03 yeah 13:50:32 MarvinPA: looks like wheals deleted zig-stacking, but if you have it locally you could push a new one 13:50:54 at least I think that would work 13:51:03 looks like i do yeah 13:51:20 i don't even know how deleting branches works, loads of branches that have been deleted still show up when i do git branch -r 13:51:28 i can undeleted 13:51:32 undelete it 13:51:48 <|amethyst> oh, I see confusing touch was buffed 13:51:49 wait, i can't 13:51:50 never mind 13:52:02 <|amethyst> oh, no 13:52:07 I was able to checkout -b zig-stacking origin/zig-stacking 13:52:10 <|amethyst> that's on if (defender->is_player()) 13:52:14 <|amethyst> not attacker 13:52:15 although I hadn't fetched wheals' deletions 13:52:18 just monster confusers i think 13:53:14 -!- earenndil is now known as Aah 13:53:21 -!- Aah is now known as Ellbereth 13:53:27 -!- Ellbereth is now known as Gilthonniel 13:53:39 -!- Gilthonniel is now known as Glorfinndel 13:53:44 <|amethyst> the PR should still refer to a specific commit anyway 13:53:45 -!- Glorfinndel is now known as Elronnd 13:54:16 <|amethyst> %git pull/207 13:54:16 07regret-index02 {|amethyst} * 0.18-a0-994-g047427f: Zig stacking: slow down floor-filling, scale sets instead 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 266+ 121-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/047427f35020 13:54:29 <|amethyst> %git zig-stacking 13:54:29 07regret-index02 {|amethyst} * 0.18-a0-994-g047427f: Zig stacking: slow down floor-filling, scale sets instead 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 266+ 121-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/047427f35020 13:54:52 MarvinPA: `git remote prune origin` to have those removed branches pruned from your repo 13:55:01 ah ok, well i just recreated the branch anyway (i think) 13:55:24 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:55:27 aha, much neater 13:55:31 sort of 13:55:42 there are still a lot of branches i guess! 13:55:51 yep 13:55:59 %git summons-tweaks 13:55:59 07mumra02 * 0.13-a0-2244-gad1b86d: Marshall spell types as short instead of byte 10(2 years, 7 months ago, 2 files, 27+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ad1b86d04a80 13:56:08 %git summons_adjustments 13:56:08 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-2865-ge85c075: Let Spellforged Servitors also cast Bolt of Draining 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e85c0752f311 13:56:14 those can be removed 13:56:30 let me see if I can go through some of these 13:58:15 %git unsummon 13:58:15 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-2039-g3dc566b: Axe vault: hangedman_research_convocations. 10(2 years ago, 1 file, 0+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3dc566b1d6f0 13:58:22 ah, yes 13:59:14 %git twisted-res-balancing 13:59:14 07mumra02 * 0.13-a0-2149-g90f6f3a: Limit Twisted Resurrection to three abominations 10(2 years, 7 months ago, 9 files, 102+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/90f6f3a32f2d 13:59:15 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:59:18 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:52 <|amethyst> If you're deleting a branch that was never merged 14:01:28 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:31 <|amethyst> first give it a tag like archive/blah 14:01:36 ah 14:01:37 <|amethyst> so there's a way to find the commit 14:01:47 that should be an annotated tag thingy that I push? 14:02:04 <|amethyst> yeah, git push tag archive/blah I think 14:02:40 <|amethyst> or you can push --tags but that will push all your local tags 14:03:20 I deleted twisted-res-balancing and am not sure if I can get that back 14:03:25 oh, on another checkout 14:03:32 <|amethyst> you have the commit hash right there 14:03:38 <|amethyst> 90f6f3a 14:03:40 <|amethyst> you can tag that 14:03:43 hrm, and locally I'd still have that fetched? 14:03:49 right, the branch is just a pointer to that ref 14:03:54 <|amethyst> unless you've done (or triggered) a git gc 14:04:00 cool, thanks 14:05:47 robin and vinestalker are in i guess, also lomnado 14:08:03 also evoker_stacking and destack-evokers, also inconsistent use of - and _ in branch names is a terrible crime! :( 14:08:46 %git stone_soup-0.17 14:08:46 07|amethyst02 {gammafunk} * 0.17.1-2-g5865329: Allow jellies to escape nets (#10187) 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 4+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/586532902eac 14:08:55 what about in the same branch name?! 14:09:48 even worse, yes! 14:15:36 -!- android has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:25 uh 14:19:43 in the FAQ.txt it still mentions praying to offer up corpses and items 14:20:05 like Beogh still has corpse sacrifice but item sacrifice is gone, right 14:23:39 also the FAQ says that artefacts can't be corroded by acid 14:26:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:30:49 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:34:50 heh well they can’t :P 14:40:51 I'm updating the FAQ 14:45:16 "Which gods would you recommend to a beginning player?" 14:45:24 "Also, while unreliable, Xom can be a lot of 14:45:26 fun." 14:45:32 ?? fun[yay 14:45:33 fun[2/3]: YAY i died again 14:45:44 \o/ 14:46:01 maybe you should add that to the faq 14:47:40 is the faq even worth keeping around? i wonder if anyone ever reads or learns anything useful from that and/or the quickstart guide 14:48:36 Yeah, it's a fair question 14:48:49 although that's probably true of the manual too but maybe it's better to just have one big source of possibly-out-of-date documentation rather than multiple separate ones 14:49:23 I'm going to push these updates for now, but feel free to do any merging (for anyone who cares to) 14:50:09 03gammafunk02 07* 0.18-a0-1122-gb6c1d30: Word wrap FAQ.txt to 80 chars per line 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 181+ 55-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b6c1d30d7c45 14:50:09 03gammafunk02 07* 0.18-a0-1123-gbd92598: Update the FAQ regarding corpse sacrifices and corrosion (Darkli) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bd92598e2430 14:50:45 I guess that's more item sacrifice but whatever 14:54:07 -!- id0ra has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:22 mmmm, word wraps 14:58:03 -!- Id0ra has quit [Client Quit] 14:59:54 <|amethyst> gammafunk: there's another reference 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:04 <|amethyst> If you worship a god who enjoys sacrifices, pay attention to 15:00:05 <|amethyst> your own hunger status instead of offering all corpses you come across. 15:00:17 <|amethyst> Beogh doesn't let you eat those corpses anyway 15:00:42 <|amethyst> I guess there's still Fedhas 15:00:55 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:02 at this point, we could just say 'fedhas' if we mean 'fedhas' 15:01:31 though also, doesn't conventional crawl wisdom suggest that you really can just sacrifice all the corpses and not care? the crawl consensus 15:02:02 personally I like eating chunks 15:02:15 <|amethyst> probably that's "all" in the Tavern hyperbole sense 15:02:20 <|amethyst> sacrifice 90% of the corpses 15:03:48 sacrifice corpses unless hungry is a simple enough thing to understand, I don't think the players need to be told that 15:04:12 I heartily disagree 15:04:20 <|amethyst> this is a FAQ, not the manual 15:04:26 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:04:28 <|amethyst> the Q is "My characters keep starving. What am I doing wrong?" 15:05:03 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:18 <|amethyst> now, if that never occurs even among complete beginners who never come to any advice forums... 15:05:34 <|amethyst> but I suspect it still does 15:06:21 -!- Ipsum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:07:40 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:08:13 it seems like it would be beneficial to mention evocables like rods with that as well, then 15:08:13 -!- android has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:09:30 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:09:51 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:01 * geekosaur wonders if a pointer to the FAQ could be squeezed onto the start screen 15:12:02 rods is probably the easiest way to starve yourself yeah 15:12:24 or well, it's easier to not realize the cost than it is with spells 15:12:26 (well, that should be easy with tiles; console might be a tight fit) 15:13:04 -!- Foamed has quit [Client Quit] 15:13:33 I think you have to actually examine the spell on the rod in order to see the food cost for it 15:13:47 <|amethyst> geekosaur: if we were going to add one more help link in the main menu, IMO it should be manual section B (the part that describes the starting screen) 15:15:06 <|amethyst> not sure about FAQ vs quickstart 15:15:06 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:15:47 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:20 -!- ldierk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:36 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:25:39 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:54 -!- mistersteele has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:35:24 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:00 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:39:34 -!- shupladen has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:40:08 actually yeah that reminds me 15:40:14 is anything going to happen to beogh corpse sacrifice 15:59:40 -!- halberd has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:43 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:10 I am trying to animate a swamp dragon corpse on dry land and seeing a "puff of smoke" - does animate dead fail based on spellpower/hd now or is this some bug, or what? 16:00:16 i don't see anything in the changelog about it 16:01:05 sounds like bug to me 16:01:34 -!- Tilogour has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:01:54 are there like a zillion monsters around already? 16:01:57 that sounds like it couldn't find room for the new zombie 16:02:03 no there is plenty of space 16:02:18 it's in swamp so it may have something to do with animate dead and corpses in deep water, except the corpse is on dry land 16:02:44 save backup could be useful, if you didn't play further already 16:02:52 haven't played further 16:03:20 !lm halberd x=tiles 16:03:21 15834. [2016-01-18 20:53:04] [tiles=true] hyperborean the Basher (L16 VpHu of Kikubaaqudgha) entered the Swamp on turn 45055. (Lair:5) 16:03:32 <|amethyst> are there clouds about? 16:03:41 <|amethyst> as in lots of clouds 16:03:41 save backup is only available from ssh 16:03:43 https://dobrazupa.org/saves/hyperborean-crawl-git-b454403a3a-160118-2102.tar.bz2 16:03:50 ah, sweet 16:03:56 well there is some steam because it's in swamp 16:04:04 and there's the puff of smoke over the swamp dragon corpse 16:04:17 not very much 16:04:28 er, thin mist I mean 16:04:38 some thin mist + one puff of smoke 16:04:50 was it polymorphed at some point? 16:05:04 no it was from kiku corpse delivery 16:05:09 it is a mangled corpse though 16:05:14 also i have now succeeded in animating it 16:05:15 oh, that would be a good thing to mention 16:05:19 after walking around a little 16:05:57 hrm, there's no corpse in this save 16:06:35 well there was definitely a corpse since I did eventually animate it 16:07:04 I think it started on stairs 16:07:06 let me reload 16:07:23 yeah it's nowhere near the stairs 16:08:24 save starts me on upstairs on swamp:2 16:08:45 I guess you didn't actually save before doing the save backup? 16:08:49 oh 16:08:53 forgot that step, oh well 16:09:39 now it will be an eternal mystery 16:14:04 <|amethyst> @??swamp dragon 16:14:04 swamp dragon (07D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 55-82 | AC/EV: 7/7 | Dam: 20, 11, 1107(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 699 | Sp: poisonous cloud (3d7) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 16:23:23 <|amethyst> @??swamp dragon zombie 16:23:23 swamp dragon zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 9 | HP: 63-93 | AC/EV: 5/2 | Dam: 16, 8, 8 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(12), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 124 | Sz: Giant | Int: brainless. 16:25:29 -!- lukano has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28:58 -!- lukano has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:06 -!- ldierk_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:19 Crawl gives me rWork 16:29:37 -!- ldierk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:58 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:30:47 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:31:14 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 16:32:04 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:13 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:53 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:20 -!- ldierk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:43:17 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:24 -!- lukano has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:54:42 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:11 -!- lukano has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:58 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:48 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:12 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:15 -!- Guest33973 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:08 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:17 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest46460 17:11:22 -!- Grivan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:23:02 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:41 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:28:52 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:41 -!- Guest46460 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:25 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:34 gammafunk: until you merge my ash PR, bd92598 leaves Ash's item sacrifice unexplained! 17:45:43 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:46:31 I only merge commits from people with a splatratio below 50%, sorry 17:46:47 r e k t 17:49:06 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:49:48 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:13 i guess i have to do it 17:50:48 wheals? 17:50:51 merging a pull request? 17:50:54 wow, a level spell book that was actually useful? 17:53:02 ??splatratio 17:53:03 I don't have a page labeled splatratio in my learndb. 17:53:11 .splatratio Lightli 17:53:13 134/246 games for Lightli (!gfspeed !boring xl>=17): 0/1x Saber [0.00%], 94/179x darkli [52.51%], 40/66x Lightli [60.61%] 17:53:30 that reminds me, I should make another vault 17:55:35 !speedrune . spider 17:55:40 gammafunk's fastest spider rune retrieval: 812 turns 17:56:02 too bad 17:59:16 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:16 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1123-gbd92598 (34) 18:02:31 ??hyperborean 18:02:31 I don't have a page labeled hyperborean in my learndb. 18:02:37 !nickmapping elliptic 18:02:52 !nick berder 18:02:53 No nick mapping for berder. 18:02:57 !nick causative 18:02:58 Mapping causative => (!lld !clan (( name!=hyperberder || cbro )) (( name!=deanofdeens || cszo))) berder deanofdeens hyperberder hyperborean 18:03:51 wonder if the nick resolution is such that lg queries aren't slowed down by that 18:03:54 !lg causitive 18:03:55 No games for causitive. 18:03:59 !lg causative 18:04:01 646. hyperborean the Annihilator (L27 TeCj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-01-18 04:43:26, with 12602163 points after 128857 turns and 12:30:57. 18:04:07 !lg . 18:04:08 1414. chequers the Cudgeler (L7 DsGl of Qazlal), quit the game on D:4 on 2016-01-17 11:23:39, with 580 points after 4213 turns and 0:05:51. 18:04:13 !lg causative 18:04:14 646. hyperborean the Annihilator (L27 TeCj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-01-18 04:43:26, with 12602163 points after 128857 turns and 12:30:57. 18:04:22 I think it may be slowing it a bit 18:04:39 !lg * (( map~~gammafunk || kmap~~gammafunk )) 18:04:40 It surely must a little, but I'd be surprised if it did a lot 18:04:48 1572. Placentus the Shatterer (L16 OgBe of Trog), slain by a skeletal warrior (a +0 glaive) (kmap: gammafunk_depths_entry_grave) on D:15 on 2016-01-18 20:27:47, with 111116 points after 36724 turns and 1:35:07. 18:04:48 well note the above 18:04:56 I think it's the number of records involved 18:05:15 you performed a full text search on a non-name field 18:05:26 hrm? 18:05:29 !lg * map~~gammafunk 18:05:30 1307. execc the Chopper (L4 VSBe of Trog), mangled by Sigmund (a +0 scythe) on D:2 (gammafunk_temple_overflow_claw) on 2016-01-17 22:15:39, with 71 points after 1059 turns and 0:01:50. 18:05:32 I have a sequell db dump somewhere, let me see where the indexes are 18:05:43 it's when you add conditionals 18:05:45 "I only merge commits from people with a splatratio below 50%, sorry" oh no please don't revert spidertomb yet :( 18:06:07 specifically it's the kind of queries that are performed when using || 18:07:01 I'm sure || is slower than (implied) &&, since the latter operates on less than the full record-set 18:07:44 I don't think it's the size of the record set 18:07:45 !lg * lld name=hyperberder 18:07:46 1. hyperberder the Stinger (L1 MuVM), slain by a kobold (a +0 dagger) on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_boxes_within_box) on 2015-05-03 04:40:19, with 0 points after 60 turns and 0:00:21. 18:07:52 rude 18:07:52 but rather the fact that it's performing additional queries 18:12:06 -!- Naruni has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:16:52 -!- fazisi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:17:26 anyways, a terrible vault idea 18:18:19 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Client Quit] 18:29:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:36:05 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:38:41 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:38:57 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:59:21 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:07:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:09:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:18:42 -!- EriktheRed___ has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:18:46 !lm * current banished xl=10 noun~~cast x=milestone 19:18:47 5. [2015-12-31 08:28:24] [milestone=was cast into the Abyss! (miscasting Force Lance)] Croases the Thaumaturge (L10 DrHu of Ru) was cast into the Abyss! (miscasting Force Lance) (D:8) 19:18:52 I think this is wrong ^ 19:18:53 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:00 !lm * current banished xl=10 x=milestone,noun 19:19:02 515. [2016-01-18 19:44:44] [milestone=was cast into the Abyss! (Erolcha);noun=Erolcha] oblina the Carver (L10 DsGl of Makhleb) was cast into the Abyss! (Erolcha) (D:8) 19:19:12 !lm * current banished xl=10 noun~~cast x=milestone,noun 19:19:13 5. [2015-12-31 08:28:24] [milestone=was cast into the Abyss! (miscasting Force Lance);noun=miscasting Force Lance] Croases the Thaumaturge (L10 DrHu of Ru) was cast into the Abyss! (miscasting Force Lance) (D:8) 19:19:22 oh! heh 19:22:25 !lm * current banished xl=10 s=noun 19:22:27 515 milestones for * (current banished xl=10): 177x Psyche, 116x Erolcha, 56x Sonja, 21x a distortion unwield, 18x orc, 15x gnoll sergeant, 12x orc warrior, 10x a wizard, 10x the capriciousness of Xom, 10x orc wizard, 8x Joseph, 6x Xom, 6x wight, 5x gnoll, 5x an ogre mage, 4x drawing a card, 4x orc priest, 4x was cast into the Abyss!, 3x the severe capriciousness of Xom, 2x deep elf fighter, 2x Ru... 19:22:35 how can I limit this query to only results with >n hits? 19:22:45 (I want to make a simpler graph) 19:22:47 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:59 !lm * current banished xl=10 s=noun ?:N>10 19:23:01 415 milestones for * (current banished xl=10): 177x Psyche, 116x Erolcha, 56x Sonja, 21x a distortion unwield, 18x orc, 15x gnoll sergeant, 12x orc warrior 19:23:08 cheers 19:23:10 :) 19:24:31 !cheers Grunt 19:24:31 * Sequell slides a flagon of cognac across the bar to Grunt, courtesy of gammafunk. 19:24:46 huh 19:24:53 !beer Grunt 19:24:53 * Sequell slides a can of ginger beer down the bar to Grunt, courtesy of gammafunk. 19:25:03 !cmd !beer 19:25:03 Command: !beer => .echo /me slides a $(sub 0 1 $(sub $(rand $(length $(split & $(=beervessel)))) $(split & $(=beervessel)))) of $(sub 0 1 $(sub $(rand $(length $(split & $(=beerlist)))) $(split & $(=beerlist)))) down the bar to ${*:-${nick}}$(if $* ", courtesy of $nick"). 19:25:42 I guess only tea can get brewed by pan lords 19:25:48 !cmd !tea 19:25:48 Command: !tea => .echo /me hands ${1:-${user}} a cup of $(sub 0 1 $(sub $(rand $(length $(split & $(=tea.tealist)))) $(split & $(=tea.tealist)))), brewed by $(=tea.brewer). 19:27:22 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:18 !pizza gammafunk 19:29:18 * Sequell cooks up a box of pepperoni pizza for gammafunk, courtesy of wheals. 19:29:55 pan pizza not available 19:30:25 nice 19:30:30 !cmd !pizza 19:30:30 Command: !pizza => .echo /me cooks up a $(sub 0 1 $(sub $(rand $(length $(split & (=pizzaquantity)))) $(split & $(=pizzaquantity)))) of $(sub 0 1 $(sub $(rand $(length $(split & $(=pizzalist)))) $(split & $(=pizzalist)))) pizza for ${*:-${nick}}$(if $* ", courtesy of $nick"). 19:30:41 !pizza wheals 19:30:42 * Sequell cooks up a stack of Neapolitan pizza for wheals, courtesy of gammafunk. 19:30:48 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:30:54 !cmd =pizzalist 19:30:54 Command: =pizzalist => .echo Hawaiian&pepperoni&cheese&anchovy&margherita&Neapolitan&olive&falafel&mushroom&deep-dish&pepper&onion&Pandemonium&stuffed crust&Sicilian&Capricciosa&Bolognese&New York-style&thin crust 19:31:00 I see it right there 19:31:29 !cmd =pizzaquantity 19:31:36 Command: =pizzaquantity => .echo slice&pie&platter&box&stack&personal pan 19:31:47 a personal pan of Pandemonium pizza 19:33:30 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:01 !beer gammafunk 19:35:02 * Sequell slides a pitcher of imperial stout down the bar to gammafunk, courtesy of Grunt. 19:35:48 it's not really Pandemonium pizza if Cerebov didn't make it though! 19:38:17 oh, he's one of those who'll only eat a pizza if its spicy. Learn to appreciate the subtle flavors of demonic herbs and seasonings without all that heat!!! 19:38:34 !send the fabled Pandemonium Pizzeria gammafunk 19:38:35 Sending gammafunk to the fabled Pandemonium Pizzeria. 19:38:38 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:38:57 It's like you don't even notice the delicate sweetness of holy swine bacon 19:40:33 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:47 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/226 * 0.18-a0-1125-gd09cc8a: Tweak trove tolls again 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d09cc8a9dd52 19:42:46 I think DrKe likes troves 19:42:50 I should read this PR 19:43:17 also I was using the sack of spiders at 10 evo and it felt terribly weak, giving me nothing but gross ants 19:43:21 -!- toastedzergling has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:36 the old glory days of OP sack of spiders, how I miss them! 19:44:46 "Silver rune was added because Vaults isn't the de facto easiest third rune anymore. (golden was tempting but seemed a tad sadistic)" 19:44:52 now now gammafunk 19:44:54 no need to get 19:44:55 it's true, I keep getting slime as my third 19:44:55 !glasses 19:44:56 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 19:44:57 antsy 19:45:03 go team a 19:45:31 !lm . !gfspeed recent urune=3 s=noun 19:45:32 67 milestones for gammafunk (!gfspeed recent urune=3): 15x Zot, 7x Depths, 5x Slime, 5x slimy, 4x orb, 3x Crypt, 3x Elf, 2x Jorgrun, 2x Saint Roka, 2x Abyss, 2x the Enchantress, 2x Nikola, Depths:5, Boris, the royal jelly, silver, Louise, Mara, Xtahua, Vaults, Bazaar, a Zot trap, Sojobo, golden, escaped from the Abyss!, Xom, Mennas 19:45:35 er 19:45:39 !lm . !gfspeed recent urune=3 rune s=noun 19:45:40 7 milestones for gammafunk (!gfspeed recent urune=3 rune): 5x slimy, silver, golden 19:45:45 yep 19:45:47 yeah the ant thing is kinda gross 19:45:52 the killer bees would have been worse though 19:46:07 I was filling in the slime:6 vault with worker ants, and I felt so bad about it 19:46:10 even though it worked 19:46:11 since they fly, making them even less spider-like 19:46:23 yeah, I mean the spider sack is still really strong, so 19:46:29 we could maybe reflavor the item, idk 19:46:29 // (3) Decide on banding (good lord!) 19:48:02 !lm * current urune=3 rune s=noun 19:48:05 5569 milestones for * (current urune=3 rune): 3322x silver, 1037x slimy, 740x abyssal, 165x barnacled, 80x serpentine, 73x golden, 70x gossamer, 66x decaying, 4x demonic, 3x bone, 2x glowing, 2x dark, iron, fiery, obsidian, icy, magical 19:48:54 even if silver is not the easiest third rune, it's still the most common, so making it a trove entry item feels like making the trove effortless entry for many games 19:49:53 well, i feel that it's a more challenging item request than slimy rune 19:49:55 well you must also think that requiring slimy is effertless entry 19:49:57 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:50:04 if we view it from the perspective of the person finding the trove prior to having already found 3 runes 19:50:06 *effortless entry 19:50:10 which is 95% of cases probably 19:50:23 so if they let the trove dictate which 3rd rune they get, they would have the hardest time with silver imo 19:50:26 since if you can get the silver rune I'm pretty sure you can get slimy (and the reverse is true) 19:50:30 which was my thought process 19:50:55 It seems fine to me as long as we allow slimy, yeah; we could revisit whether asking for slime is a worthy trove fee 19:51:06 that's fair enough, I guess it's no more challenging than eg +6 dblade 19:51:40 troves don't check whether you already have the rune, do they? 19:51:55 no 19:52:12 Yeah, I guess they have no way of checking if you already have a +6 dblade, either, so 19:53:06 could the trove require you to have n runes? 19:53:49 i dont think so with how the current code works 19:54:10 the rune of zot entries are actually specified by the quant field 19:54:16 it's also kind of cool if, for the very silly, you have the option of finding this trove with 0 runes and then going to get e.g. slimy or silver 19:54:17 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:54:33 which you can't have if you require n runes 19:54:41 well silver wouldn't be possible but yeah 19:54:47 right, true 19:55:17 decide to abandon your god and worship Jiyva to get to a trove 19:55:19 I know someone has done it 19:55:56 yeah slimy rune is actually a pretty generous trove 19:56:38 I suppose it's not really a problem that trove entry prices aren't balanced 19:57:19 conveniently enough, neither are the contents! (considering how their utility can vary when the contents are themed) 19:57:54 regarding that, the one problem with the trove i made is ru evo sacrificers 19:58:34 and there doesn't seem to be a way to change the weight dependent on a mutation or skill that doesn't involve trove.melee or trove.spell_skills 19:59:30 like if you.mutation("inability to use devices") = 1 then doesn't seem to work in the trove field 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:58 though : if trove.weapon_skills() >= trove.spell_skills() and trove.weapon_skills() >= you.skill("Unarmed Combat") does work (i assume?) 20:02:17 lua uses == 20:02:26 for checking equality 20:03:04 i'll try it 20:03:32 though i think i tried >= you.skill("evocations") as well and no dice 20:03:47 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:09:42 i don't know if that's case sensitive 20:10:49 i did capitalize the E 20:10:51 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:07 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:17 but i may have botched something else idk 20:12:30 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:04 hrm 20:22:09 is !haste as common as !agil 20:22:44 a tiny bit less common 20:23:55 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:26:52 i had it priced slightly higher but i figure there's no wand of agil 20:29:15 .echo the difference is also only like $(!calc 3.0 / 1000.0) 20:29:16 the difference is also only like 0 20:29:24 rip cool new way to chat 20:30:48 re evocations trove, chance of !magic ? 20:30:48 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:31:41 why !magic? 20:32:00 well it's useful for pak in particular, but some evocations thingies use mp 20:32:05 I guess that's mostly jewellery 20:32:09 which you don't place 20:32:20 it was mostly supposed to be "misc item trove" 20:32:28 but i threw in wands since 12 misc items is a lot 20:32:58 also yeah i don't seem to be able to lock out chars with inability to use devices 20:33:15 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:53 ??rings 20:40:53 rings[1/3]: dexterity, evasion, fire, ice, intelligence, invisibility, flight, life protection, loudness, magical power, poison resistance, protection, protection from cold, protection from fire, protection from magic, see invisible, slaying, stealth, strength, sustain abilities, teleport control, teleportation, wizardry. 20:41:31 i guess ring of flight is the only evo jewelry left? 20:43:26 ring of tele is gone? 20:43:35 yep and invis 20:43:39 interesting 20:48:51 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:49:56 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:50:26 yeah, it doesn't seem like trove weight adjustment works at all 20:50:31 if i set up trove_library 20:50:34 NAME: trove_library 20:50:35 : if trove.spell_skills() >= trove.weapon_skills() then 20:50:35 WEIGHT: 500 20:50:35 : else 20:50:35 WEIGHT: 1 20:50:35 : end 20:50:48 with a bunch of weapon skills and no spell skills i still get it most of the time 20:56:49 DrKe: "rage is gone too? 20:57:18 oh, forgot about that one 20:57:25 it's pretty easy to use, though 20:57:29 evo skill wise 20:57:39 tele and invis were the hard ones 20:59:00 ??rings[2 20:59:01 rings[2/3]: Rings of invisibility, regeneration, teleport control, and slaying are rarer than the others; approximately 2/3 of them are replaced by one of the other ring types. 20:59:07 ??rings[3 20:59:07 rings[3/3]: Alternately, ?/i= 20:59:33 ??rings 20:59:33 rings[1/3]: dexterity, evasion, fire, ice, intelligence, invisibility, flight, life protection, loudness, magical power, poison resistance, protection, protection from cold, protection from fire, protection from magic, see invisible, slaying, stealth, strength, sustain abilities, teleport control, teleportation, wizardry. 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:15 !learn edit rings s/invisibility/invisibility (removed in 0.18)/ 21:00:15 Use: !learn edit rings[NUM] s/// 21:00:20 !learn edit rings[1] s/invisibility/invisibility (removed in 0.18)/ 21:00:20 rings[1/3]: dexterity, evasion, fire, ice, intelligence, invisibility (removed in 0.18), flight, life protection, loudness, magical power, poison resistance, protection, protection from cold, protection from fire, protection from magic, see invisible, slaying, stealth, strength, sustain abilities, teleport control, teleportation, wizardry. 21:00:27 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:00:38 !learn edit rings[1] s/teleport control, // 21:00:39 rings[1/3]: dexterity, evasion, fire, ice, intelligence, invisibility (removed in 0.18), flight, life protection, loudness, magical power, poison resistance, protection, protection from cold, protection from fire, protection from magic, see invisible, slaying, stealth, strength, sustain abilities, teleportation, wizardry. 21:00:59 !learn edit rings[1] s/abilities/attributes/ 21:01:00 rings[1/3]: dexterity, evasion, fire, ice, intelligence, invisibility (removed in 0.18), flight, life protection, loudness, magical power, poison resistance, protection, protection from cold, protection from fire, protection from magic, see invisible, slaying, stealth, strength, sustain attributes, teleportation, wizardry. 21:02:23 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:47 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:34 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:45 reading back: I agree with chequers wrt silver rune as trove request 21:09:15 slimy is interesting because the most common 3-rune path doesn't involve it, so fulfilling that request means getting a different and/or extra rune 21:09:49 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 21:10:09 i could replace it with golden? 21:10:14 lol 21:10:26 bbl in a few 21:11:20 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 21:14:45 -!- cck has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 21:19:05 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:28 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:21:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:26:09 -!- stypr has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:10 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:30:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:39:49 -!- West1C has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:43:57 -!- doubleD_ is now known as Delreyn 21:46:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:14 -!- Gilian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:53:12 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:44 -!- adibis has quit [Client Quit] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:01 -!- Vall has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [SeaMonkey 2.28/20150907235313]] 22:05:07 man, *my* most common 3-rune path doesn't involve silver 22:05:33 but i understand the majority of new players especially do have an easier time in v:5 22:06:16 hrm 22:07:25 !lm * current urune=2 !jiyva br.end=slime|vaults s=br / lg:br=$noun 22:07:36 807/5318 milestones for * (current urune=2 !jiyva br.end=slime|vaults): 608/4032x Vaults [15.08%], 199/1286x Slime [15.47%] 22:07:39 yeah, i am kind of indifferent on the silver rune thing now since i wasnt really looking at it from the perspective of most players 22:08:02 I think in practice the branch difficult is just very very similar 22:08:07 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:08:15 so I'm personally ok with it, but it's nbd either way 22:08:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:08:53 I don't think asking for slimy is terribly interesting if silver isn't though 22:09:06 i can do if you.num_runes() >= 3 then silver/golden become options 22:09:13 but it's a rare trove that you find after already having 3 runes 22:09:22 that is a reasonable way to include golden though 22:09:59 golden is cool as a challenge, but tomb does already give like trove-levels of loot 22:10:16 more than trove levels, I guess 22:10:16 yeah that's why i didn't suggest it originally 22:10:27 but the 3 rune thing is going to come up really rarely in any case 22:10:31 so it seems kind of fun to me 22:10:44 I suppose it doesn't help that both slime and silver also give tons of loot already 22:10:55 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:11:02 trove only spawns in d, elf, vaults 22:11:09 so you'd have to get a 3rd rune before entering vaults or elf 22:11:18 well, vaults and elf 22:11:20 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 22:11:59 and we won't have the obvious 3 rune silver i guess 22:12:10 I could see the nrune condition having golden and maybe other extended runes as fees 22:12:14 silver doesn't seem great there 22:12:33 so just remove silver then you think 22:12:55 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:13:28 i think adding golden as an nrune thing is bad: it's spoilerable/exploitable. if i know that my trove may become substantially harder after i find three runes, i should make sure to explore every trove candidate area before getting a third rune 22:13:58 even leaving runes on the floor becomes good play 22:14:07 egh, yeah 22:14:18 that is a thing 22:14:25 who needs runes anyways! 22:14:44 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:15:15 I guess I don't really like having these runes that are very likely to be 3rd runes listed as trove costs 22:15:33 yeah, i think it would be fine to add some harder runes unconditionally 22:15:45 but perhaps it's not terribly different from "insane number of heal wounds pots" 22:15:48 "This trove requires the presence of a rune found in Pandemonium" 22:15:58 yeah, or Hell 22:16:03 right 22:16:22 i do think it's bad to be specific about *which* pand/hell rune, since that makes it quite a bit harder 22:16:44 i'm not sure how to be unspecific with this codebase 22:16:46 and this could be a way to encourage players to try out extended: "it just wants any one of those runes?" 22:16:56 well, that's another matter. maybe the idea is hard to implement 22:18:23 it is sounding like the best options are a) keep silver and slimy or b) remove both 22:18:33 with the possibility of adding golden i guess 22:18:36 in either case 22:20:29 the easiest option will probably be keeping the status quo of abyssal and slimy since there's less disagreement that way, but yeah I'd like to either see silver added or just require hell/demonic/golden runes 22:22:00 PF likes slimy over silver, and although he's just one person so we could find ways to get even with him, there maybe be other devs who feel similarly 22:22:20 i think maybe about 1/3 of my wins have me bothering to get the silver rune 22:22:20 I'm not actually sure what others think aside from those of us talking in channel 22:22:33 and probably most of those involved getting more than 3 runes 22:22:55 I blame the royal jelly for being bad at making jellies 22:22:58 although in terms of a trove cost, i think abyssal or slimy are both good 22:23:08 how so? 22:23:18 I still usually get vaults for the third rune, but that's just inertia 22:23:34 the majority of the playerbase takes vaults third, or at least a plurality 22:23:52 lots of players just follow 22:23:54 ??order 22:23:54 hyperelliptic[1/1]: Lair -> D:12 -> Orc -> D:15 -> S:3 -> maybe other S:3 -> get rune -> Vaults:4 -> maybe get second rune -> Depths:5 -> get three runes -> Zot 22:24:07 which hints at V:5 22:24:18 it doesn't say V:5! 22:24:19 my favorite route would involve v4 but not v5 22:24:19 since you've already done the rest of Vaults 22:24:20 it does hint at it, but doesn't actually say it 22:24:29 i follow ??order generally, really 22:24:38 but "get three runes" to me usually means slimy 22:24:49 I feel perfectly fine speaking on elliptic's behalf, he means do slime for 3rd rune 22:24:59 (the hint comes fromthe fact that you've already done that doo-all-but-the-rune-level with S( 22:25:07 ... 22:25:11 ??order 22:25:11 hyperelliptic[1/1]: Lair -> D:12 -> Orc -> D:15 -> S:3 -> maybe other S:3 -> get rune -> Vaults:4 -> maybe get second rune -> Depths:5 -> get three runes -> Zot 22:25:12 !lm . s=rune nrune=3 lg:nrune=3 won recent 22:25:13 * geekosaur eyes fingers 22:25:16 30 milestones for amalloy (nrune=3 lg:nrune=3 won recent): 13x slimy, 9x abyssal, 2x golden, 2x silver, 2x barnacled, bone, demonic 22:25:19 well you'd do V:1-4 anyhow 22:25:19 !lm * recent urune<=2 lg:urune=3 rune s=rune 22:25:28 17581 milestones for * (recent urune<=2 lg:urune=3 rune): 4304x decaying, 4269x gossamer, 4195x serpentine, 4051x barnacled, 346x silver, 197x abyssal, 181x slimy, 15x iron, 10x demonic, 5x golden, 3x bone, 2x magical, 2x obsidian, dark 22:25:28 I usually go Lair -> Orc -> Elf -> first rune -> Vaults:$ -> third rune -> Zot 22:25:28 because it's experience/loot 22:25:32 oh nm. I see that's what you did. doh. thought you did ??hyperelliptic 22:25:34 But I'm crazy 22:25:57 !lm lightli s=rune nrune=2 lg:nrune=3 22:25:59 109 milestones for lightli (nrune=2 lg:nrune=3): 29x silver, 23x decaying, 21x barnacled, 16x serpentine, 15x gossamer, 4x abyssal, slimy 22:26:06 apparently this was not a lie. bizarre 22:26:34 !lm lighgtli s=rune nrune=3 lg:nrune=3 22:26:35 No milestones for lighgtli (nrune=3 lg:nrune=3). 22:26:38 !lm lightli s=rune nrune=3 lg:nrune=3 22:26:41 113 milestones for lightli (nrune=3 lg:nrune=3): 54x silver, 16x gossamer, 16x barnacled, 11x serpentine, 9x decaying, 5x slimy, 2x abyssal 22:26:56 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:26:57 !lm lightli s=rune nrune=3 22:26:58 157 milestones for lightli (nrune=3): 60x silver, 21x barnacled, 20x slimy, 20x gossamer, 18x serpentine, 15x decaying, 2x abyssal, golden 22:27:03 !lm * recent urune<=3 lg:urune=3 rune s=rune 22:27:06 !lm coolplayers recent rune urune=3 s=noun 22:27:10 26412 milestones for * (recent urune<=3 lg:urune=3 rune): 6194x silver, 4428x decaying, 4373x gossamer, 4328x serpentine, 4281x barnacled, 1427x slimy, 1278x abyssal, 45x golden, 17x demonic, 16x iron, 6x bone, 6x dark, 4x magical, 4x obsidian, 3x glowing, fiery, icy 22:27:12 130 milestones for coolplayers (recent rune urune=3): 90x silver, 25x slimy, 5x abyssal, 4x barnacled, 2x serpentine, gossamer, golden, glowing, decaying 22:27:19 ??coolplayer 22:27:19 coolplayer ~ coolplayers[1/2]: Players who have won at least one combo that makes a word online in 80x24 console using vikeys or arrows+numrow or an external numpad. 22:27:33 ??coolplayer[2 22:27:34 coolplayer ~ coolplayers[2/2]: I am a coolplayer so, how do we edit those? 22:27:58 oh right, Grunt is a coolplayer, that's why the results aren't what I wanted 22:28:02 !nick coolplayers 22:28:02 yup! 22:28:03 wait 22:28:03 Mapping coolplayers => birdoprey theglow hyperbolic hyperelliptic elliptic minmay elynae mikee xomscumming tartakower nyaakitty casmith789 demonblade poncheis valrus n1000 sgrunt chris gammafunk 22:28:22 I just realized something 22:28:53 one of my 3-rune games apparently had me do Tomb if I'm reading this right 22:28:59 or at least had it for the third rune 22:29:09 !lm lightli rune=golden lg:urune<=3 22:29:11 No milestones for lightli (rune=golden lg:urune<=3). 22:29:13 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:29:17 !lm . rune=golden lg:urune<=3 22:29:20 2. [2013-06-15 01:54:31] SGrunt the Vampire of Death (L27 VpNe of Kikubaaqudgha) found a golden rune of Zot on turn 129759. (Tomb:3) 22:29:24 !won . words 22:29:25 amalloy (words) has won once in 3 games (33.33%): 1xTrAM 22:29:28 !won . words 22:29:29 Grunt (words) has won once in 92 games (1.09%): 1xTrAM 22:29:30 !learn add coolplayers amalloy 22:29:30 coolplayers[3/3]: amalloy 22:29:33 er 22:29:34 wow 22:29:37 !learn del coolplayers[3] 22:29:38 Deleted coolplayers[3/3]: amalloy 22:29:38 !learn del coolplayers[3 22:29:39 coolplayers has only 2 entries. 22:29:41 !nick coolplayers amalloy 22:29:42 Mapping coolplayers => birdoprey theglow hyperbolic hyperelliptic elliptic minmay elynae mikee xomscumming tartakower nyaakitty casmith789 demonblade poncheis valrus n1000 sgrunt chris gammafunk amalloy 22:30:00 there goes the neighborhood 22:30:05 !lg . words s=char 22:30:06 !lm . rune=golden lg:rune<=3 22:30:06 3 games for amalloy (words): GhEE, HuSk, TrAM 22:30:07 No milestones for Lightli (rune=golden lg:rune<=3). 22:30:10 oh 22:30:24 !won gammafunk words 22:30:25 gammafunk (words) has won twice in 20 games (10.00%): 1xGhEE 1xHuSk 22:30:44 I know one of my troll wins had me use the Crown of Infinite Torment to curbstomp Tartarus 22:30:45 husk was almost oneandwon 22:30:48 stupid quokka 22:30:53 !oneandwon gammafunk 22:30:57 Chars won first try for gammafunk: KoEn, DrMo, HuSu, GhMo, DrNe, TrWr 22:31:02 blood and souls for quokka!!! 22:31:03 !oneandwon . 22:31:08 Chars won first try for Lightli: HuFi, MiBe 22:31:09 !oneandwon . 22:31:13 Chars won first try for Grunt: HOHe, HOFi, NaFi, VSGl, DDBe, KoAM, HaWr 22:31:16 !oneandwon 22:31:20 Chars won first try for amalloy: HOFi, VSIE, DEWz, TrAK, DrIE, HOHu, TrEn, NaWz, GhMo, FeBe, GrMo, VSFi, VpAE, MuVM, VpMo, GrBe, GrAs, VpNe, TrAM, HaAr 22:31:25 MiBe: the easiest combo 22:31:34 !won . mibe 22:31:34 MiBe us unwinnable 22:31:35 No games for amalloy (mibe). 22:31:36 *is 22:32:06 gammafunk: have you trie taking a strong god for mibe? like makhleb? 22:32:13 sure 22:32:20 !lm . mibe god.worship=makhleb 22:32:22 10. [2015-09-11 05:35:13] gammafunk the Executioner (L16 MiBe of Makhleb) became a worshipper of Makhleb on turn 11077. (Temple) 22:32:30 but the game cheats and I can't win 22:32:47 I feel like switching gods in general is a trap 22:33:02 like you can do it, but it's never a good idea 22:33:04 Lightli: it's a joke about gammafunk's remaining unwon stuff 22:33:17 yeah, I mean for real 22:33:35 it's generally a bad idea, yeah, by design though 22:33:44 Like I think the biggest cause of death in Crypt is still Okawaru wrath 22:34:08 I wonder if that only started being a thing with grunt's wrath reform 22:34:18 well, old crypt was ridiculously easy so 22:34:25 maybe it was the same or worse 22:34:29 it was true even before wrath reform 22:34:35 yeah 22:34:40 !lg * current trunk crypt s=cikiller 22:34:45 60 games for * (current trunk crypt): 6x an ancient lich, 5x the fury of Okawaru, 4x a curse skull, 4x a lich, 3x an ancient champion, 3x the rage of Trog, 3x a reaper, 3x a vampire knight, 3x a ghoul, 3x a phantasmal warrior, 2x a vampire mage, 2x Sojobo, 2x a revenant, an ushabti, a jiangshi, a profane servitor, a soul eater, the player character, Mennas, , a death knight, a war gargoyle, a grea... 22:34:52 which reminds me; need to figure out what's happening with vampire lords 22:35:10 oh and I should also check 22:35:24 !lg * current trunk br=d lvl>=9 s=cikiller 22:35:28 8065 games for * (current trunk br=d lvl>=9): 448x an ugly thing, 416x a hill giant, 353x an orc warrior, 294x a hydra, 285x a player ghost, 276x a yak, 273x an unseen horror, 272x a troll, 233x a killer bee, 215x, 205x a cyclops, 198x a deep elf mage, 196x Snorg, 189x an orc priest, 189x Maud, 148x a centaur warrior, 130x an electric eel, 122x a gargoyle, 117x a skeletal warrior, 117x a manticore... 22:35:42 %git HEAD^{/death knight} 22:35:42 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-927-g0464229: Place death knights earlier; remove Haunt from them. 10(3 weeks ago, 3 files, 7+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0464229dc3bf 22:35:49 !lg * current trunk vlong>=0.18-a0-927-g0464229 br=d lvl>=9 s=cikiller 22:35:53 1967 games for * (current trunk vlong>=0.18-a0-927-g0464229 br=d lvl>=9): 103x an ugly thing, 92x an orc warrior, 89x a hill giant, 79x an unseen horror, 79x a hydra, 68x a troll, 66x a yak, 62x a player ghost, 57x a killer bee, 55x Snorg, 54x a cyclops, 52x, 47x an orc priest, 46x Maud, 42x a centaur warrior, 35x an electric eel, 32x a death knight, 29x a skeletal warrior, 27x a manticore, 27x a ... 22:36:02 (this was at roughly the same time as adding vampires into late D) 22:43:00 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:11 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:59:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:14 Grunt: Lua error running hook 'post_place' on map 'shoals_end_grunt_ice': ...aster/crawl-git-b454403a3a/data/dat/dlua/dungeon.lua:583: Failed to place map 'shoals_ilsuiw_ice' A merfolk comes into view. It is wielding a trident. 23:00:25 from dynast's game on cszo, ice ending 23:00:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:01:04 guess I should file a bug report 23:01:28 ugh 23:01:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:05 technically not my map's fault - very rarely the end map just doesn't generate enough land to place all the subvaults it needs 23:02:37 !oneandwon 23:02:41 Chars won first try for doy: HECj, SpRe, DDBe, GESu, MfIE, MfCr, GrGl, VpEn, KoIE 23:02:52 the real issue there is that we don't have a way of handling that gracefully 23:03:18 though I think I came close with tar_grunt's logic 23:03:32 ah, good to know 23:03:37 I think you told me that before, even 23:03:40 yar 23:03:45 we've had this discussion before :) 23:04:12 interesting, wonder if hangedman's also has this problem 23:04:15 since it too uses larger vaults 23:04:25 well maybe it can happen any of the ends 23:09:35 wow DrKe not even quoting me in ur PR 23:09:37 that hurts man 23:11:30 I've seen it happen even with the original ending 23:11:31 tbf that was once though. 23:13:17 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:13:25 -!- Harudoku__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:16:47 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:20:18 -!- Harudoku_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:21:07 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 23:23:33 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:24:13 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:57 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:07 -!- Bargorn has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:32 -!- Bargorn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:26 -!- Bargorn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:41:36 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:43:50 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 23:44:47 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:47:33 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:48:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 23:48:33 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:50:20 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:53:03 -!- lobf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:53:08 it looks like your name is there to me 23:54:02 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:54:02 -!- lobf_ is now known as lobf 23:58:50 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1123-gbd92598 (34)