00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:03 with current cap 00:00:13 which I think is the most out of any spell 00:00:18 (and yet it sucks :p) 00:00:21 er 00:00:25 *out of any level 1 spell 00:00:36 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:00:53 flame tongue is sort of kind of capped at 40 power 00:00:56 which is unfortunate 00:01:01 sandblast is 50 00:01:04 I'm not sure about increasing spellpower cap at 60 rather than 50 00:01:13 personally I think it should simply just do more damage 00:01:26 but with similar scaling 00:02:33 technically 00:02:40 apport has the highest spellpower cap of any level 1 spell 00:02:41 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:46 and any spell at all, probably 00:02:51 it's 1000 00:02:55 nice 00:02:59 has been since spellpower caps were added 00:03:04 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:13 what exactly changes 00:03:14 alternatively Infusion could just be changed to do flat bonus damage instead of 1dx 00:03:17 and not change the damage values 00:03:19 between say 200 and 1000 00:03:21 # of spaces the item is moved 00:03:29 oh 00:03:29 so it's weak, but consistent 00:03:31 probably nothing 00:03:38 Almost nothing in crawl does flat damage. 00:03:40 Shard1697, that might make it too powerful 00:03:41 Shard1697: not a fan of flat damage 00:03:46 for a level 1 spell 00:03:57 like nik said 00:04:03 it's not something crawl does 00:04:11 I guess I don't really know the ramifications of how that would play 00:04:37 maybe just make it a 2-sided die? 00:04:42 er 00:04:47 2 dices 00:04:47 I mean 00:04:48 You'd need to a) test it a lot or b) understand how crawl combat works. 00:05:04 e.g. 2d4 at full spellpower 00:05:15 you and dudes hit each other until one or the other dies 00:05:32 Crawl doesn't really do multiple die either :P 00:05:43 huh, it already does some flat damage 00:05:47 nikheizen: yes it does 00:05:54 sorry I haven't really code dived 00:05:56 most spells roll multiple dice 00:06:05 I am just chipping in since you mentioned infusion 00:06:13 it's 1 + 1d(pow / 25) 00:06:16 and when I looked at it the other day it seemed surprisingly awful 00:06:54 But for combat? 00:07:06 wait what 00:07:08 I don't actually think it's awful, just more limited than the other lv1 spells 00:07:09 spells don't qualify as combat? 00:07:19 in terms of how long you use it 00:07:19 you mean it's even worse than I thought? :D 00:07:20 I thought max damage was 4... 00:07:25 but sounds like it's 3 00:07:31 No, spells are academia, obviously. 00:07:33 if spellpower cap is 50 00:07:44 ??infusion 00:07:44 infusion[1/1]: Skald spell that buffs your melee attacks with 2+(spellpower/25) extra damage (which is then reduced by monster AC), with a power cap of 50. Drains a point of MP whenever it deals extra damage. 00:07:46 oh yeah that's slightly worse 00:07:56 entry is right 00:08:00 I'm being imprecise 00:08:01 yep 00:08:09 ah 00:08:20 looks like it's done this much damage since it was added, give or take some rounding changes 00:08:27 (it initially rounded down) 00:08:38 this is all one diceroll, yeah? 00:08:55 1d(2+(spellpower/25) 00:09:04 so... 1d(2+pow/25)? 00:09:10 yeah that 00:09:14 no 00:09:21 also you forgot your ) 00:09:26 !source melee-attack.cc:98 00:09:27 Can't find melee-attack.cc. 00:09:28 fuck 00:09:36 !source melee_attack.cc:398 00:09:37 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#l398 00:10:01 the fact that it has ac applied separately 00:10:03 probably does not help 00:10:20 no it doesn't 00:10:30 since in early d anything with the tiniest amount of ac is ~immune to melee 00:10:32 well considering it's only useful before things start having AC anyway.. 00:10:37 sure 00:10:39 @??goblin 00:10:39 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-5 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 00:10:47 @??giant cockroach 00:10:47 giant cockroach (07s) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-6 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 2 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 2 | Sz: little | Int: animal. 00:10:49 @??jackal 00:10:50 jackal (07h) | Spd: 14 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-7 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 3 | XP: 2 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 00:10:55 lol 00:11:05 yeah, infusion isn't gonna do much against them 00:11:09 would be simple to change, probably 00:11:20 well it's not like they have much HP in first place 00:11:25 so is it rolling 1d2, and then 1d(spellpower/25), and then applying ac 00:11:47 no. 00:11:51 there's no 1d2. 00:12:15 honestly there are no dice at all. 00:12:33 how about 3+(pow/10) instead, would mean a max damage of 8 00:12:45 which might sound like a lot, but it eats a magic point per use... 00:12:49 honestly, I'd be more inclined to not check AC separately 00:13:04 except that's tricky 00:13:05 hm 00:13:21 A flat +8 damage would be so huge. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would be better than !Might. 00:13:35 nikheizen, well AC would still be applied 00:13:37 ??might 00:13:37 might[1/1]: +1d10 melee damage and 5 Strength. Monsters under this effect are "unusually strong" and deal 50% more damage. 00:13:40 and it eats a magic per use 00:13:43 Although I guess if it's getting checked seperately. 00:13:44 wow, 1 mp 00:14:00 Yeah the mana cost would be irrelevant if it scales that hard. 00:14:22 hrm 00:14:32 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:32 PleasingFungus, 1mp is a lot until like D:4 where it ends up kinda useless anyway because stuff starts having AC 00:14:36 but maybe I'm mistaken 00:14:46 +8 would be significant for much longer 00:14:55 also you'd lose the boost quick in longer fights 00:15:01 most enemies never get all that much ac period 00:15:13 ahh ok 00:15:25 sorry, I should probably not debate this :) 00:15:30 given my lack of dcss experience 00:16:01 hmm 00:16:09 hound (08h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 3 | HP: 10-23 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 6 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(10), 08blind | XP: 42 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 00:16:09 %??hound 00:16:22 gnoll (08g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 8-18 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 9 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 14 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:16:22 %??gnoll 00:16:35 ogre (07O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 19-38 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Dam: 17 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 118 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 00:16:35 %??ogre 00:16:36 fine then 00:16:39 +8 flat damage that checks AC separately would be weird 00:16:50 can't it just add a tiny amount of damage that doesn't check AC 00:17:21 so.. like now but AC-bypassing? 00:17:32 (currently +4 at most) 00:17:43 PF said making it ignore AC could be hard, though. 00:18:04 no 00:18:09 making it ignore ac would be trivial 00:18:14 ?? devteam[impossible 00:18:15 devteam[5/28]: sadly that bug is literally impossible to fix by which i mean i tried like once and then gave up 00:18:21 I think he meant balance-wise 00:18:25 making it added to normal combat damage and included in *that* ac check 00:18:28 was what I was thinking 00:18:35 didn't communicate clearly 00:18:54 wouldn't that just be a slaying bonus 00:18:55 I think you could make it effectively apply a slaying bonus, but it would be pretty messy. 00:19:08 kind of 00:20:02 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:00 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:21:29 song of slaying adds damage like slaying, right? 00:21:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1089-gaeddbbb: Improve Infusion scaling slightly 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aeddbbb9cf41 00:22:02 PleasingFungus, what did you do 00:22:33 Shard1697: song of slaying does absolutely nothing except makes you constantly shout until you kill things 00:22:42 (then it eventually gives you slaying yes) 00:22:49 well yes 00:22:56 FIQ: click the purple link 00:23:15 ok I think I'll just clone the dcss repo 00:23:18 * kvaak has a colorblind irc client 00:23:21 easier for me personally 00:23:23 uh 00:23:25 I just meant once it adds slaying, that number isn't checked by AC again(unless I'm wrong) 00:23:26 than clicking a link? 00:23:34 yes 00:23:42 well no 00:23:50 but I want to clone dcss anyway 00:23:51 !source div_rand_round 00:23:52 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/random-var.cc#l198 00:23:53 Shard1697: yes 00:23:53 to take a look at stuff 00:23:56 lol 00:23:59 might as well do it now 00:24:10 anyway, adding effectively slaying was a bad idea, yeah; makes it harder for it to become eventually obsolete, which I really want it to be (so that you aren't incentivized to cast this spell at the start of every fight throughout the game) 00:24:15 so I poked it very slightly 00:24:32 ??div_rand_round 00:24:33 I don't have a page labeled div_rand_round in my learndb. 00:24:35 pity 00:24:37 thought we had one 00:25:19 I'm glad since I play Skald too much :P 00:25:48 so now it does up to 6 damage at max power 00:25:49 stronk 00:26:20 well, that's a 50% boost! 00:26:27 sssort of 00:26:31 not really... 00:26:44 does it get rounded down to 5 instead? 00:26:58 at 5.3 or whatever 00:27:00 at 50 power, there's a 1/3 chance of it doing +6 damage, 2/3 chance of 5 damage 00:27:00 it wouldn't be random if it was rounded down now would it 00:27:06 pre-ac 00:27:38 I'm not sure how much difference this will make in practice; idk how many people are actually casting infusion at 50 pow 00:27:48 not many I'd assume 00:27:50 yeah 00:27:59 kinda tempted to cap it at 25 pow 00:28:03 and balance for that 00:28:09 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1088-g34ef3a2 (34) 00:28:39 (pow, 5) ! 00:28:56 2 + pow/9, more like 00:29:07 nikheizen, that'd make it do 7 damage 00:29:16 which seems a bit too much 00:29:21 FIQ, it was a joke. :P 00:29:25 :P 00:31:09 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:32:32 Undead can now use items that they died with even if you picked them up in 00:32:33 the meantime. If this is undesirable, it should be easy to change. 00:32:41 wait, does this mean zombies who wield gear? 00:32:46 because that seems strange 00:33:00 those have been around for ages 00:33:15 by which I mean, probably as long as crawl had zombies? 00:33:22 certainly since long before I started playing 00:33:24 heh ok, guess I've just never seen it 00:33:33 or noticed at least 00:33:34 !lg FIQ s=tiles 00:33:34 2594 games for FIQ: 2594x false 00:33:36 you carefully put the club in the dead hobgoblin's hand 00:33:38 that'd do it 00:33:46 it's very obvious in tiles 00:33:51 ahh 00:34:10 well I'd assume that I would have seen it in C-x at least at some point 00:34:11 oh well 00:34:11 FIQ: hold on, you haven't noticed zombies use gear? 00:34:23 kvaak, no 00:34:24 :D 00:34:34 that's, uh 00:34:49 I don't think he has won either. 00:34:54 I have 00:34:58 Oh! 00:35:00 well I guess you treat ogre zombies with gscs much the same way you treat ogre zombies without gscs 00:35:12 Maybe i was thinking of the other guy with a billion DsWn games 00:35:26 no that was me 00:35:36 You're Ketziah? 00:35:42 unless there's some other one with that 00:35:44 no 00:35:50 !won . 00:35:51 FIQ has won once in 2594 games (0.04%): 1xDsMo 00:36:03 !lg Ketziah s=race 00:36:04 1755 games for Ketziah: 1404x Demonspawn, 149x Lava Orc, 50x Minotaur, 25x Draconian, 19x Mummy, 11x Merfolk, 10x Kobold, 9x Deep Elf, 9x Gargoyle, 8x High Elf, 7x Human, 7x Ogre, 6x Deep Dwarf, 5x Demigod, 4x Centaur, 3x Grey Draconian, 3x Vampire, 3x Formicid, 3x Spriggan, 3x Hill Orc, 3x Ghoul, 2x Octopode, 2x Tengu, 2x Yellow Draconian, Red Draconian, Purple Draconian, White Draconian, Felid, ... 00:36:04 this was like 00:36:07 !lg Ketziah s=role 00:36:08 1755 games for Ketziah: 1325x Wanderer, 87x Chaos Knight, 64x Air Elementalist, 57x Berserker, 46x Abyssal Knight, 39x Gladiator, 23x Ice Elementalist, 17x Fire Elementalist, 13x Monk, 11x Necromancer, 10x Earth Elementalist, 9x Artificer, 9x Skald, 8x Assassin, 7x Summoner, 6x Venom Mage, 6x Death Knight, 5x Fighter, 4x Arcane Marksman, 2x Warper, 2x Enchanter, 2x Conjurer, Wizard, Healer, Transm... 00:36:08 2 days ago 00:36:14 ahhh :) 00:36:19 Yeah. 00:36:23 but my DsWn are just me messing around 00:36:33 I have a billion AK games for similar reasons 00:36:58 but if I actually try, I can do decently 00:37:18 have a couple of games with runes, only 1 win though 00:39:46 -!- zhaorenwt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:40:08 !lg . s=race 00:40:09 2594 games for FIQ: 1093x Demonspawn, 388x Merfolk, 278x Troll, 259x Ogre, 162x Vine Stalker, 113x Formicid, 103x Hill Orc, 46x Spriggan, 37x Deep Dwarf, 23x Mummy, 18x Minotaur, 16x Gargoyle, 12x Demigod, 11x Octopode, 7x High Elf, 7x Draconian, 6x Naga, 5x Deep Elf, 2x Ghoul, 2x Kobold, 2x Centaur, Purple Draconian, White Draconian, Pale Draconian, Black Draconian 00:40:12 !lg . s=role 00:40:13 2594 games for FIQ: 1154x Wanderer, 810x Abyssal Knight, 139x Berserker, 117x Gladiator, 106x Fighter, 87x Chaos Knight, 56x Monk, 28x Ice Elementalist, 22x Transmuter, 14x Necromancer, 12x Earth Elementalist, 11x Wizard, 9x Skald, 7x Summoner, 7x Artificer, 6x Fire Elementalist, 4x Venom Mage, 3x Enchanter, Healer, Conjurer 00:52:18 !source div_rand_round 00:52:18 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:52:19 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/random-var.cc#l198 00:52:46 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:53:47 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:53:48 !tell wheals I guess you could say... $(!glasses) ... that dieselrobin is out of GAS! 00:53:49 gammafunk: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:57:05 !source yesno 00:57:06 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/prompt.cc#l50 00:59:37 -!- West1C has quit [] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:29 "const char *const *" 01:02:34 I'm writing good code, clearly 01:03:37 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:04:41 const player you; 01:06:21 who? 01:06:28 Grunt: did you appreciate my Grunt Algorithm joke earlier 01:06:34 I thought it was very funny 01:07:04 do you call it that because reservoir is hard to spell 01:07:06 believe me, there's a veritable reservoir of funny to draw on from that 01:07:22 hey, our reservoirs lined up 01:07:30 >.> 01:07:35 on my terminal anyhow 01:07:49 (here too!) 01:08:13 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:32 not in my client 01:08:34 sorry :( 01:09:27 always ruining it for everyone......... 01:10:09 that's why they call me the Top Ruiner 01:10:36 heh...mac users probably don't even call them clients...probably call them "genuis connectors" or something 01:10:57 unfortunately, this client also has to interface with the 01:10:58 *scoff* 01:11:02 "outside world" 01:11:08 so a genius connector, clearly, it is not. 01:11:17 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:41 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1089-gaeddbbb (34) 01:11:48 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:29 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1089-gaeddbbb (34) 01:19:44 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:22:38 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:25:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:34:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:34:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:37:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:40 -!- edgefigaro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:44:16 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:50:00 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: Farewell.] 01:50:06 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:51:05 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:54:11 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1089-gaeddbbb 01:56:40 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:04 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:58:09 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:58:10 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:25 -!- nikheizen has quit [Client Quit] 02:01:07 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:03:00 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:06 -!- Pacra__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:16 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:04:03 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:04:11 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:04:47 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06:22 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:23 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:08:33 idk if anyone's awake, but I just made zombie lernaean hydra tiles bc I was disappointed when I used animate dead and it looked like a normal hydra zombie 02:08:37 https://www.dropbox.com/s/7giojtefr59fm1a/zombie_lernaean_hydra.zip?dl=0 02:08:47 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:08:56 -!- West1C has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09:47 I am definitely asleep 02:09:49 i wonder if anyone has ever tried to set the record for "most heads on lerny when killed by him" 02:10:02 it's capped at like 29 or 30 02:10:07 really? 02:10:10 yeah 02:10:10 oh, I thought it was just capped at 27 02:10:16 that's like 29 or 30 02:10:22 !lg * killer~~lernae s=killer 02:10:23 welll...fine 02:10:23 944 games for * (killer~~lernae): 818x the 27-headed Lernaean hydra, 61x the 26-headed Lernaean hydra, 20x the 25-headed Lernaean hydra, 17x the 24-headed Lernaean hydra, 12x the 23-headed Lernaean hydra, 7x the 22-headed Lernaean hydra, 3x the 20-headed Lernaean hydra, 3x the 21-headed Lernaean hydra, the 14-headed Lernaean hydra, the 19-headed Lernaean hydra, the 18-headed Lernaean hydra 02:10:24 Shard1697: make a mantis for it, if it's not too much trouble? 02:10:24 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:10:27 yeah 27 02:10:42 I'm too tired to deal with it now, and I'll forget otherwise 02:10:51 -!- West1C_ is now known as West1C 02:10:58 !lg * killer~~headed_hydra s=killer 02:10:59 -!- nikheizen has quit [Client Quit] 02:11:00 34449 games for * (killer~~headed_hydra): 8200x an eight-headed hydra, 6394x a seven-headed hydra, 5001x a six-headed hydra, 3567x a five-headed hydra, 2552x a four-headed hydra, 1356x a nine-headed hydra, 1110x a ten-headed hydra, 780x a 11-headed hydra, 683x a 12-headed hydra, 581x a three-headed hydra, 556x a 13-headed hydra, 464x a 14-headed hydra, 318x a 15-headed hydra, 224x a 16-headed hydr... 02:11:02 -!- West1C is now known as WestNeon 02:11:16 sure 02:11:17 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:35 -!- WestNeon is now known as West1C 02:11:36 116x a 18-headed hydra 02:11:49 are normal hydras capped at 27 too? 02:11:59 yeah 02:12:07 dang 02:12:08 afaik, but I haven't checked the source 02:12:16 brb got a patch to write 02:12:36 !commit Unlock the endless potential of hydrae 02:12:37 !lg * ckiller=hydra s=killer% o=-% 02:12:37 03amalloy * 0.18-a0-1529-g79726ca: Unlock the endless potential of hydrae 10(in the future, 32 files, 508+ 942-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=79726ca 02:12:38 33307 games for * (ckiller=hydra): an one-headed hydra (0.00%), 18x a one-headed hydra (0.05%), 29x an 18-headed hydra (0.09%), 116x a 18-headed hydra (0.35%), 133x a 20-headed hydra (0.40%), 143x an 11-headed hydra (0.43%), 156x a 19-headed hydra (0.47%), 161x a 17-headed hydra (0.48%), 178x a two-headed hydra (0.53%), 224x a 16-headed hydra (0.67%), 318x a 15-headed hydra (0.95%), 464x a 14-head... 02:12:58 ??hydra[4 02:12:59 hydra[4/6]: The maximum number of heads is 20. Chopping a 20-headed hydra's head off will reduce it to 19 heads, but it'll grow back to 20 again after you chop another off. 02:13:12 oh 02:13:27 Lerny is extra special 02:13:40 he can't get past 27 though, right? 02:14:06 !source decapitate 02:14:06 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc#l2036 02:14:44 ahh 02:14:46 line 1940 02:14:51 lerny is capped at 27, yeah 02:15:12 & // don't overshoot the head limit! 02:15:13 good 02:15:53 I wonder if anyone has gotten lerny down to 1-head and kind of just let it follow them around 02:15:58 like a weird gimp hydra? 02:16:10 not that this is my fetish 02:16:51 no comment 02:18:00 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 02:19:23 Unique zombie lernaean hydra tiles 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10238 by Shard1697 02:19:23 I see kvaak has the result of dying to the lowest head count 02:19:27 !lg * killer~~14-headed_Ler -tv 02:19:28 1. perunasaurus, XL20 MfIE, T:42903 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 02:20:41 I might make derived undead tiles for each unique, since I have free time right now. should do simulacra/skeleton lerny first though 02:23:00 the next yred player to enslave lerny's soul will thank you 02:23:17 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:24:07 ontoclasm is the one to talk to 02:24:13 enslave soul, what about just animate dead! learny zombie to finish the level, easy every time 02:25:13 I don't know if we want derived undead tiles for everything though? 02:25:31 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:25:32 Yeah this has come up a few times (when juggernauts were introduced was the last time) 02:26:03 And it would really multiply the number of tiles we have to deal with if we go giving each monster type its own tile 02:26:36 I'm mostly just thinking weird uniques, though I hear you 02:26:48 Most uniques don't terribly need distinct undead tiles since they're really not all that distinctive (although enslaves souls are a bit more so) 02:26:48 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:59 what we'd like to maybe do is remove the classing from derived undead 02:27:26 or at least greatly reduce it, so that it's maybe like "small meatbag, medium meatbag, large meatbag" 02:27:32 there is a bug report about missing derived tentacles, those might be worth doing 02:27:42 since simulacra kraken is pretty common now 02:27:47 oh, yeah 02:28:17 !lg * place=shoals:4 killer~~simulacrum 02:28:19 1. zhaorenw the Devastator (L21 HOFE of Sif Muna), slain by a kraken simulacrum on Shoals:4 (shoals_iceberg_rune) on 2016-01-07 13:42:40, with 325621 points after 80606 turns and 3:30:05. 02:28:22 dang 02:28:24 heh 02:28:29 !lg * place=shoals:4 killer~~simulacrum x=dam,sdam 02:28:30 1. [dam=7;sdam=32] zhaorenw the Devastator (L21 HOFE of Sif Muna), slain by a kraken simulacrum on Shoals:4 (shoals_iceberg_rune) on 2016-01-07 13:42:40, with 325621 points after 80606 turns and 3:30:05. 02:28:41 !lg * place=shoals:4 killer~~simulacrum x=dam,sdam,tdam 02:28:42 1. [dam=7;sdam=32;tdam=38] zhaorenw the Devastator (L21 HOFE of Sif Muna), slain by a kraken simulacrum on Shoals:4 (shoals_iceberg_rune) on 2016-01-07 13:42:40, with 325621 points after 80606 turns and 3:30:05. 02:28:43 I'm going to guess rC- even though the damage is not that big 02:28:43 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:28:48 !lg * place=shoals:4 killer~~simulacrum x=dam,sdam -log 02:28:49 1. zhaorenw, XL21 HOFE, T:80606: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/zhaorenw/morgue-zhaorenw-20160107-134240.txt 02:28:56 you were close 02:29:02 wow 02:30:11 would it still be worthwhile to make the other derived undead sprites for lerny, since(afaik?) he's the only animate-able unique that's two tiles tall? 02:30:32 the funny thing is did seem to be the af_cold damage that did him in 02:31:03 Shard1697: It's a good idea to !tell the question to ontoclasm as (I think) Medar said 02:31:14 He is our Tile Master 02:31:19 aight 02:31:27 Do gain the ultimate power you must defeat him in mortal combat 02:31:33 s/Do/To/ 02:31:40 what about mortal kombat 02:31:52 only *if* you play the mortal kombat song 02:34:09 oh, I guess making use of derived tentacle tiles might be tricky code wise 02:34:29 since currently they are just normal tentacles 02:37:28 gammafunk: i think poor translation fits the motif 02:37:32 'do' works just fine 02:38:11 test your might... 02:38:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:06 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:56 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:44:00 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:53:25 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1089-gaeddbbb 02:57:34 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:36 A vine stalker skeleton comes inta view. _Found 7 gold pieces. 03:03:44 i didn't know VS undead were in the game 03:04:00 in crypt, probly? 03:04:16 @??vine stalker 03:04:16 vine stalker (03f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-42 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10, 1012(antimagic) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 386 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 03:04:21 @??vine stalker skeleton 03:04:21 vine stalker skeleton (15Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 48-66 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 8, 8 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(10), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 81 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 03:04:27 yeah, in crypt 03:04:37 i also didn't know that vine stalkers had skeletons, per se 03:06:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:09:52 ProzacElf: they're zombies 03:09:56 sort of 03:10:09 their skeletons are zombies? 03:10:21 :V 03:11:05 heh 03:14:32 @??vine stalker zombie 03:14:32 vine stalker zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 58-80 | AC/EV: 0/7 | Dam: 8, 8 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(10), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 95 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 03:17:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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Use !messages to read them. 09:10:55 <|amethyst> (and does this affect vine stalker zombies/skeletons, because there's that other entry vault 09:10:59 <|amethyst> ?) 09:14:37 i think it should prevent them 09:14:40 didn't think to check 09:19:20 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:19:40 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24:02 <|amethyst> it may just prevent animating them, not necessary generating them 09:24:30 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:22 <|amethyst> ah, mons_class_can_be_zombified(monster_type mc) does call mons_class_can_leave_corpse 09:25:33 well, either way it makes no sense based on their description :P 09:25:58 <|amethyst> "a carnivorous vine magically combined with a humanoid"? 09:26:16 <|amethyst> :q 09:26:18 <|amethyst> err 09:26:23 no other plants have corpses 09:26:38 <|amethyst> I figured the corpse would be of the humanoid part 09:26:47 <|amethyst> maybe with rotten plant attached 09:26:52 then it would just be a humanoid corpse really when you awoke it 09:27:10 unless animate skeleton is strong enough to re-bind the vines 09:27:41 but anyway, just reverting that and giving it M_NO_GEN_DERIVED to match other non-spawning player races would be fine too 09:28:00