00:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:43 -!- eb has quit [] 00:04:34 well he did say allow 00:05:40 i'm not sure i get why 00:06:06 if i were going to abuse no-wrath "rejoin a god you already had before" is not how i would imagine doing it 00:06:06 meaning, require them to worship every god once 00:06:24 oh, for dpeg's suggestion? yeah I don't think that makes a difference 00:06:36 the problem with that race is that the best way to play it is to ignore the gimmick 00:06:46 and just use the innate faith with the first god you choose 00:06:55 well, i dunno how to make that not the case 00:07:04 retain some piety when switching??? 00:07:16 god randomly changes!!! 00:07:24 the true random god. 00:07:45 ontoclasm, I have a request for you based on something I noticed earlier 00:07:50 ok 00:07:52 our Vp enemy tiles are all kind of same-y 00:08:00 which poses a problem if I want to add vampire lords 00:08:06 yeah 00:08:07 someone made some vampire tiles before 00:08:10 just never got added 00:08:12 ! 00:08:27 some of them didn't impress me 00:08:34 but some were cool 00:08:39 perhaps CanOfWorms has some ideas ;) 00:08:55 I'm working on abominations!!! 00:08:56 main thing is to differentiate them, yes 00:09:08 abominable tile designs. 00:09:42 anyway, there's that and then there's the vampire lord concept 00:09:59 yeah, i'll take a look when i get a chance 00:10:02 thanks! 00:10:30 you know what's a good crypt boss, Grunt 00:10:30 can we just put a crown on the generic vampire and make that the lord tile 00:10:33 ancient liches 00:10:37 ANCIENT LICHES 00:10:41 sweet-ass cummerbund 00:10:46 they're too ancient 00:10:47 ancient liches are one of the enemies in the boss rotation 00:10:49 A N C I E N T L I C H E S 00:10:52 rename to farmer liches 00:10:56 along with curse skulls, greater mummies 00:10:57 and 00:11:01 ...vampire knights. 00:11:12 three is a good number! 00:11:17 so when are you going to add chaos nexi?? 00:11:17 !banish gammafunk 00:11:18 Grunt casts a spell. gammafunk is cast into 4chan! 00:11:18 isn't the number 3 satanic?! 00:11:19 nexuses? 00:11:24 dang 00:11:25 "nexuses" would be correct 00:11:31 doesn't the number 3 spook you to your mortal core?!?! 00:11:37 the answer is probably "never" >.> 00:11:39 no 00:11:45 the only number that's spooky 00:11:47 is 2 00:11:57 2? 00:12:01 2 spooky for me 00:12:02 2 for 00:12:05 haha. 00:12:10 I was going to say 00:12:13 2 for 00:12:15 hellion 00:12:17 cacodemon 00:12:18 etc. 00:12:21 That joke is 4 ghouls 00:12:31 1s are spookier tho 00:12:42 the spookiest is *, clearly 00:12:46 can I throw out into tiles chat that Tiamat barely stands out vs a draconian knight and I think she should be fancier 00:12:54 Floodkiller_: i know :( 00:13:03 at least she looks like old drac 00:13:13 Floodkiller_: throw out into tiles chat? 00:13:23 make Tiamat a 48 tile 00:13:26 <.< >.> 00:13:29 Do you understand that this is irc 00:13:32 replace tiamat with serpent of hell 00:13:38 tiamat is listed in my Big List, with two exclamation points even 00:13:38 the serpent of Zot 00:13:55 isn't that just jorg 00:14:02 ??jorg 00:14:02 I don't have a page labeled jorg in my learndb. Did you mean: borg, jorgy, jory, morg. 00:14:06 ??jorgy 00:14:06 jorgrun[1/8]: A deep dwarf earth mage, with Shatter, LRD, petrify, and dig. 00:14:11 no sequell 00:14:20 Jörmungandr was a design for Snake 00:14:26 shock serpent!! aboms!! giant eyeball!! electric golem!! wisp!! crawling corpses/masses!! hungry ghost!! shadow wraith!! harold!! tiamat!! boggart!! orb guardian!! 00:14:28 ??jormungandr 00:14:29 I don't have a page labeled jormungandr in my learndb. 00:14:32 rip 00:14:35 rip 00:14:43 orb guardian?!?!?! 00:14:48 orb gu-- what gammafunk said 00:14:54 bloax had a hella sweet orb guardian 00:15:02 clearly 00:15:03 use 00:15:04 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:04 the old tile 00:15:07 right gammafunk 00:15:10 purple fetus 00:15:10 -!- johlstei__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:15 exactly 00:15:16 it's what I use on my orb guardian runs 00:15:27 (the current one is like... not shaded at all) 00:15:38 yeah, but the look is cool 00:15:38 clearly 00:15:40 does anyone have a link to bloax's orb guardian 00:15:40 they're 00:15:42 glowing 00:15:44 (like the orb) 00:15:47 (amirite) 00:15:48 * Grunt hides 00:15:49 no...NO 00:15:52 you're NOT RIGHT 00:15:54 gammafunk: yeah, i don't wanna change the shape/design 00:15:57 you didn't say: "like the ORB" 00:15:58 !banish gammafunk 00:15:59 Grunt casts a spell. gammafunk is cast into the Abyss! 00:16:01 SHAME ON YOU 00:16:07 the ORB 00:16:08 doesn't exist. 00:16:41 What ORB?! I have an entire kindom! 00:16:49 FR when you pick up the orb your title changes to "the orb Guardian" until you win or die 00:16:49 don't you mean 00:16:53 four kingdoms and twenty isles... 00:16:56 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:17:02 god, that line 00:17:07 !send kingdom come gammafunk 00:17:07 Sending gammafunk to kingdom come. 00:17:59 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:19:21 !bug 1575 00:19:22 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1575 00:19:26 that water elemental tile... 00:19:54 nice 00:20:03 E-mental 00:20:33 speaking of 00:20:37 .awoken 00:20:38 1. fdshfn the Executioner (L22 DDFi of Makhleb), slain by an earth elemental (summoned by a deep elf elementalist) on Elf:3 on 2015-12-14 19:55:58, with 399498 points after 45748 turns and 2:53:14. 00:20:39 :( 00:20:48 !lg * cikiller~~elementalist 00:20:50 6. benishere the Skirmisher (L1 FoAK of Lugonu), slain by a deep elf elementalist (a +0 dagger) on Abyss:1 on 2015-12-18 18:27:49, with 0 points after 79 turns and 0:00:20. 00:20:55 hrm 00:21:02 is there a kw for new elf? 00:21:09 probably not? 00:21:11 !kw newelf 00:21:12 No keyword 'newelf' 00:21:16 %git HEAD^{/elementalist} 00:21:16 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-803-ge30ccbe: Revert "Mark the Elf:3 vault enemies as patrolling." 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e30ccbe4b174 00:21:19 %git HEAD^{/elementalist}^^{/elementalist} 00:21:19 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-779-gf9919a2: Remove deep elf fighters; add deep elf archers. 10(9 weeks ago, 37 files, 161+ 146-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f9919a29d5b7 00:21:30 I think that was the last commit of that set 00:21:31 so 00:21:44 !kw newelf vlong>=0.18-a0-779-gf9919a2 00:21:45 Defined keyword: newelf => vlong>=0.18-a0-779-gf9919a2 00:22:14 oh, I found the vampire tiles 00:22:16 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9841 00:22:16 !lm * recent br.enter=elf / lg:br=elf 00:22:23 4153/28683 milestones for * (recent br.enter=elf): N=4153/28683 (14.48%) 00:22:25 !lm * recent br.enter=elf newelf / lg:br=elf 00:22:29 86/678 milestones for * (recent br.enter=elf newelf): N=86/678 (12.68%) 00:22:32 JUNK 00:22:59 (sorry, I've had two beers and I'm a little doom howled) 00:23:13 fr drunk hounds 00:24:53 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:08 the drunk hound appears confused. 00:25:14 my christmas wish is to meet drunk gammafunk 00:25:19 gammadrunk 00:25:35 though tbh i think two beers would hardly qualify 00:26:03 I hope you all remembered to keep a forgotten spell memorized, so you can read curse scrolls of detect food while confused 00:26:10 ...this christmas 00:26:22 You smell food! 00:28:21 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-917-g8a3da5b (34) 00:28:26 I always used gold detection for that, personally 00:28:28 >.> 00:28:49 how else do you find the portal in the plane of water... 00:29:08 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:29:23 !phial Grunt 00:29:32 !lamp gammafunk 00:30:03 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:54 -!- Floodkiller_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:40:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:44:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:47:41 does .awoken account for those kills anywhere or just in elf? 00:48:06 because i've been 'awoken' twice by mages in/near lair entry vaults 00:48:19 !kw .awoken 00:48:20 No keyword '.awoken' 00:48:23 !cmd .awoken 00:48:23 Command: .awoken => !lg * trunk killer=earth_elemental ikiller~~elementalist $* 00:48:33 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:11 oh 00:53:17 mine weren't at the hands of elementalists 00:53:47 heh, last time i did elf:3 i had to run out of the vault to go upstairs and heal 00:54:08 and 3 or so of them followed me out and converted the rock walls into approximately 340 elementals 01:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:58 nice 01:04:36 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:04:38 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:05:48 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:09:10 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:38 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant_Lappy 01:11:39 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-917-g8a3da5b (34) 01:11:46 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:04 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:44 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-917-g8a3da5b (34) 01:19:59 !kw pyro --fe 01:20:01 Defined keyword: pyro => --fe 01:24:31 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:32:05 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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On conversion all abilities are available, as long as you have enough gold. 06:39:52 ??gozag[3 06:39:52 gozag[3/6]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:gold 06:39:54 ??gozag[4 06:39:54 gozag[4/6]: actually i wanted to try out the money god its shit and boring af some dev must really love the god 06:39:56 ??gozag[5 06:39:57 gozag[5/6]: So I guess I have to abandon Gozag or else I'll starve 06:39:58 ??gozag[6 06:39:58 gozag[6/6]: you should be able to cancel [potion petition] by abandoning your religion from that screen 06:40:38 oops 06:40:44 -!- cang_ has left ##crawl-dev 06:43:07 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: Farewell.] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:02 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:57 -!- beogh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:07:02 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:37 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:19:58 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:21:42 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:47:08 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:31 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest83764 07:49:26 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:52:37 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:53:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:55:03 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:04 -!- Dirtsage has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:07:00 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:14 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:22 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:29:30 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:32 -!- Guest83764 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:11 -!- Dirtsage has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:42:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:50:57 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:57:55 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:32 -!- wote has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:06:57 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:08 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:16:56 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:23:14 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:25:06 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:25:27 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:28:29 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:39:54 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:25 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 09:47:52 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:07 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:39 -!- tombs77 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:53:32 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:46 -!- Panos is now known as HolyRage 10:08:20 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:11:14 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 10:13:30 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:18:06 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:50 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 10:21:26 !tell dpeg !tell dpeg 10:21:27 Grunt: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 10:22:43 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:24:16 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:27:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:27:58 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest40983 10:28:11 -!- Guest40983 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:18 -!- } has quit [] 10:29:53 .echo $(map (fn (c) (!tell Grunt Did you finally make $c vaults like I requested?)) (range 2 6)) 10:29:54 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 10:32:53 !lg * map!= x=cdist(map) 10:32:58 889659 games for * (map!=): cdist(map)=3919 10:33:01 !tell gammafunk where are my 3920 maps 10:33:02 Grunt: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:34:25 !lg * kmap|map~~gammafunk 10:34:26 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:34:36 1498. Dilyz the Severer (L14 VSFi of Gozag), mangled by a dire elephant on Lair:6 (gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake) on 2015-12-26 07:02:37, with 51016 points after 13943 turns and 0:37:14. 10:35:01 I learned about that syntax from the lg manual yesterday, sadly it's just a shortcut for (( | )) and not any faster 10:37:32 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:38:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:41:26 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 10:41:33 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:56 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:56 @??demonic fungus name:pleasing_fungus n_rpl n_des 11:00:57 unknown monster: "demonic fungus" 11:01:00 dang 11:01:01 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:01:03 rip 11:01:07 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest92334 11:01:31 hallo 11:01:31 dpeg: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:01:44 !messages 11:01:44 (1/3) Grunt said (11h 2m 8s ago): No messages for dpeg. 11:01:46 !messages 11:01:47 (1/2) Grunt said (11h 2m 5s ago): A Crawl zombie comes into view. 11:01:49 !messages 11:01:50 (1/1) Grunt said (40m 24s ago): !tell dpeg 11:01:51 !tell dpeg hallo 11:01:52 Grunt: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 11:02:10 It feels good to be a message attractor. 11:02:11 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:02:43 a strange sort of attractor! 11:02:48 !tell dpeg it feels gooD to feel attractive? 11:02:49 Grunt: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 11:02:50 * Grunt hides. 11:03:47 !tell Grunt !tell dpeg !tell PleasingFunugs more messages 11:03:47 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let grunt know. 11:04:47 -!- Floodkiller_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:55 -!- Guest92334 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:58 .echo $(map (fn (c) (!tell PleasingFungus More messages.)) (range 1 10)) 11:07:00 Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfun... 11:07:43 aaaa 11:07:44 PleasingFungus: You have 10 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:07:50 hahahha 11:07:59 you idiot 11:09:20 Sorry to be a bother, but I checked on github last night, and it seems that I never pushed anything over there. 11:09:21 dpeg: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:09:38 not even in your branch? 11:09:41 Is anyone here who can give me github commit access? 11:09:47 o_O 11:09:52 I swear you have pushed to github before... 11:10:09 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commits/oubliette 11:10:16 those are your commits, dpeg! :) 11:10:35 true, git log on oubliette gives me dploog@users.sourceforge.net 11:10:43 -!- thetao has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:10:55 -!- dpeg is now known as dementeg 11:11:18 https://github.com/orgs/crawl/people/dpeg 11:11:20 this is also you! 11:11:24 anyway, git push asks me for name and password, and I don't know that to say :) 11:11:36 thx, will have a look 11:12:45 github.com/crawl/crawl/graphs/contributors does not have me, this is where I stopped 11:14:34 -!- dementeg is now known as dpeg 11:16:03 alright, three compilers and eight attempts later, I've finally gotten back up to being able to compile trunk with no changes 11:18:33 Floodkiller_: got something specific in your mind? Feature, or bugfix? 11:18:34 PleasingFungus: Sorry about that, I think I mutated Grunt into an even more virulent form of Grunt 11:18:48 ! 11:19:01 -!- Grunt is now known as hypergrunt 11:19:07 * hypergrunt goes to plaid! 11:19:08 I just got carried away with the mutagenic fog machines, ok?! 11:19:15 -!- hypergrunt is now known as Grunt 11:20:38 -!- entirely_liquid has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:20:43 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:46 Reading the crawl-dev logs, "No-no-no go past this part. In fact, never read this again!" 11:20:50 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:23:05 -!- ldf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:22 dpeg: I'm trying to make a branch for the Nemelex/deck reform I posted in GDD earlier this month 11:23:38 see if it's any fun at all/better than the current deck juggling 11:24:15 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:23 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant_Lappy 11:24:25 it'll also be a bit of a learning experience with C++, so it's a nice hobby thing 11:24:49 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:25:37 Floodkiller_: sounds cool 11:25:53 * dpeg should start making a list of tavern/SA posters 11:27:10 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:28:08 I think neil also hashed out a good proposal for newnewnewnewnewnewnemelex recently 11:28:16 not sure if he's working on that further 11:28:40 newnewnewnewnewnewnewnewnewnewnewnewnemelex 11:28:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:29:36 at this point nemelex needs a new card in the deck of oddities: You have drawn The Dev. All Nemelex abilities, cards, decks, piety gain and wrath mechanics are completely changed. 11:30:02 it just cycles between all previous implementations of nem 11:30:26 The Dev card should randomly remove/add features to the game 11:30:38 without telling you what 11:30:39 well that's what it already would be doing! 11:31:14 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:20 What have I done... we could've retired Nemelex peacefully in 2012 :( 11:31:42 dpeg: We probably deserve nemelex in light of all our past sins 11:32:10 <3 11:33:11 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:43:05 -!- thrig has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:43:32 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:43:48 -!- drukna has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:44:01 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:45:45 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:53:33 Amulet of dismissal in wrong alphashop 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10206 by Floodkiller 11:54:01 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54:13 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:41 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:01 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest87132 12:03:55 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:04:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:04:37 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:46 hmm, wonder what to replace the deck with in amalloy_card_club... 12:08:09 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:08:14 -!- pintc has quit [Changing host] 12:08:42 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:18:12 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:26:13 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-917-g8a3da5b (34) 12:28:31 -!- tsouns has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:41:03 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:35 -!- Guest87132 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:35 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46:39 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:47:09 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:33 -!- Wensley is now known as Guest37040 12:48:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:54:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:56:22 Just remove that vault, since the joke doesn't really work; he could rework it later 12:58:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:33 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:53 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:18:51 I've seen it often, but what is the difference between placing something within #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION == 34 versus just removing it? 13:19:40 the ones in TAG_MAJOR_VERSION are kept for save compatibility. the ones that are removed don't need save compat 13:20:17 ah, thanks 13:25:06 if you're serious about getting this accepted into crawl, you might want to make a concise description of your changes available in some format to share with people in this channel 13:25:23 you can use the dev wiki for this, but any kind of writeup that can be shared will do 13:26:01 preferably not just a link to an entire tavern thread, unless there's a single post in that which describes your changes very specifically 13:26:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:26:14 Floodkiller_: ^ 13:26:54 doing so sooner rather than later can save you time, again this is only relevant if you'd like to see your changes merged 13:27:02 Floodkiller_, so if something gets written into a save file, and you are removing it, you need to (a) wrap its definition in a TAG_MAJOR_VERSION ifdef, (b) add code to tags.cc (also in a TAG_MAJOR_VERSION ifdef) to handle it in a save file and adjust things as needed for its removal 13:27:54 _!hi (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 13:27:54 %??goblin name:!hi 13:27:57 ah 13:28:10 I see cheibriados is a bit clever about that compared to sequell 13:28:16 @??goblin name:!silence 13:28:16 !silence (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 13:28:28 interesting 13:28:39 maybe Sequell is set up to ignore messages from Gretell 13:28:52 !silence 13:28:53 gammafunk mumbles some strange words. A profound silence engulfs gammafunk. 13:29:49 isn;t there something about sequell doesn't pay attention to messages from other bots except to possibly check for updated milestones? 13:30:50 maybe, yeah 13:31:13 I just noticed that Cheibriados has some specific anti-relay code but Gretell doesn't 13:31:47 -!- Skybreaker has quit [Client Quit] 13:34:07 gammafunk: hahaha, just checked the dev wiki for a spot to put my proposal, and I just found neil's. It's pretty much what I wrote in GDD, but slightly modified here and there and keeping physical decks instead of virtualizing them 13:34:12 guess I shouldn't rush into things 13:34:44 Floodkiller_: yeah, my first big commit was jump attack, which was way complicted and involved implementing a double targetter...and I had to go rework it to remove a ton of stuff 13:34:51 mostly since I worked solo without much feedback 13:35:03 so it pays to get some feedback on the ideas 13:35:36 I think I'd like virtualizing decks over keeping them, but again I haven't thought it through (nor read either yours or neil's proposal in any detail) 13:36:00 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:nemelex 13:36:07 it's at the bottom if you're interested 13:36:09 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:42 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest52160 13:37:13 anyway, I like what he's doing more with it, so I'll think of something else to tool around with 13:39:42 -!- thrig has quit [Changing host] 13:42:03 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:42:44 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:40 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:54:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58:06 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:48 !tell nicolae !bug 10206 and the comment on it 13:58:48 Sorry PleasingFungus, I don't know who nicolae is. 13:58:54 !tell nicolae~ !bug 10206 and the comment on it 13:58:55 !send PleasingFungus a - 13:58:55 Sorry PleasingFungus, I don't know who nicolae~ is. 13:58:55 Sending a - to PleasingFungus. 13:59:00 !bug 10206 13:59:01 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10206 13:59:02 !tell nicolae- !bug 10206 and the comment on it 13:59:03 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let nicolae- know. 13:59:07 sheesh 13:59:36 !bug PleasingFungus 13:59:37 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=PleasingFungus 13:59:44 mm 13:59:54 goodbug 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:40 PleasingFungus is the real bug... 14:01:52 did you spot howlbug 14:02:05 I saw howlbug, yes 14:02:08 goodbug 14:02:12 a real 14:02:14 howler 14:02:15 code is hard 14:05:51 -!- HolyRage has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:06:06 -!- HolyRage_ is now known as HolyRage 14:11:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:11 -!- smajdalf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:23:09 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:53 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:32:32 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 14:32:54 -!- roadmap has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:02 -!- Tombs__77 is now known as tombs77 14:33:05 -!- Guest52160 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:06 PleasingFungus: what do doom hounds from shadow creatures do? 14:35:15 or doom hounds you enslave 14:35:35 nothing special 14:35:37 which is a fair point 14:35:52 yeah, they probably just shouldn't howl 14:36:01 imho 14:36:03 since you found the problem 14:36:05 you should fix it 14:36:06 if they haven't already 14:36:07 <_< 14:36:49 I'll get to that...let's pencil it in for 20XD6 14:37:02 that's when I'll fix doom hounds and finally stop that Dr. Wily once and for all! 14:37:07 mm 14:37:09 good year 14:39:36 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:39:49 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:23 enslaved doom hounds aren't a problem 14:40:42 but my spooky friendly monsters! 14:42:32 Grunt: pie-in-the-sky idea, my bot watches webtiles, recording info from the game to make a char that gets loaded into a local copy of crawl 14:42:48 and that copy of crawl is streamed playing gw as I play 14:42:52 @??doom hound 14:42:52 doom hound (03h) | Spd: 13 | HD: 20 | HP: 90-132 | AC/EV: 6/13 | Dam: 45, 30 | 05demonic, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 08blind, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3377 | Sp: doom howl [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 14:42:56 What Would GW Do? 14:43:11 like a little gw mini-window in the stream 14:43:53 sadly there are probably multiple reasons why it won't work 14:45:03 aww, animal intelligence, even before they were demonic 14:45:12 I was just thinking of Enslave Soul on them 14:45:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-918-g58938db: Don't let summoned doom hounds howl (gammafunk) 10(46 seconds ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/58938dbf3eb3 14:45:41 well if they don't make how summons, they'd be no good as allies anyhow 14:46:20 gammafunk: howl doesn't currently work on monsters 14:46:31 feel free to implement it if you like :) 14:46:51 cool, so sounds like enslaved ones also not currently a poblem 14:46:54 *problem 14:47:06 ya 14:47:12 c.f. 14:47:14 [11:40] PleasingFungus enslaved doom hounds aren't a problem 14:47:24 (c) PleasingFungus Games, 2015 14:47:41 oh I never listen to PleasingFungus at 11am, that's his crazy hour 14:47:59 ...do I have another? 14:48:13 you just get one hour to be crazy 14:48:28 that seems unfair. 14:48:51 Grunt gets 24 hours to be crazy, and look at him! It's for your own good. 14:49:01 perhaps so..... 14:49:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:16 bringing insanity to Crawl, 24/365 14:49:30 I wonder how broken Enslave Soul would be if corpse-dropping/holiness restriction was lifted 14:49:48 90% sure those are flavor, not balance 14:50:16 Grunt: a very noble goal, has my support 14:50:37 Enslaved soul of a pan lord 14:50:47 Lom Lobon's soul is now yours. 14:50:50 I think it would be pretty silly 14:51:07 I would love enslaving pan lords, but the real issue I would think could come up is dipping into Vestible to enslave a tormentor or hellion 14:51:26 they're pretty fragile 14:51:26 tormentor isn't much of an issue 14:51:46 gammafunk: the mummy cost! 14:51:54 yeah but kiku exists 14:52:02 ??kiku 14:52:02 kikubaaqudgha[1/5]: God of necromantic awesomeness. Grants necromancy {kiku randbook}s at 1 and 3 stars, and at 6 stars, will either pain-brand a weapon or grant you the Necronomicon (only one of the two) at an altar. Provides corpses, invocable torment, torment protection, and blocks necromancy miscast effects. 14:52:22 -!- fruitloops7 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:52:29 I mean, maybe it'd be a little weird but I doubt very 14:52:56 but yeah some allies would be pretty silly to allow on a permanent basis 14:53:11 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:55:07 @??the royal jelly 14:55:07 Royal Jelly (08J) | Spd: 14 | HD: 21 | HP: 213-246 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(180), 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 14227 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 14:55:20 @??dissolution 14:55:20 Dissolution (13J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 161-190 | AC/EV: 10/1 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, priest, see invisible, regen, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 13777 | Sp: sum.eyeballs [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 14:56:17 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:56:28 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:58 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:49 !tell ontoclasm I think I forgot to tell you, I think I got the new faithful untangled and updated on CBRO. fyi 15:13:50 johnstein: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 15:17:31 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:40:34 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:48 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:42:24 -!- bleak has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:36 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:43:33 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:43:57 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest70922 15:44:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:46:30 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:46:54 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:48:59 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:49:20 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:02 -!- bleak has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:48 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:53:11 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:47 re enslave soul, i've had a vague plan to allow it to work on demons for ages 15:53:51 -!- HolyRage has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:53:53 -!- HolyRage_ is now known as HolyRage 15:54:17 but sadly it's ??impossible 15:55:30 (s/bug/feature and s/fix/implement i guess) 15:57:15 ussdefiant_Lappy: sup dude i didnt know you were a crawl nerd too 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:06 -!- Zigma has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:52 johnstein: thanks! 16:00:52 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:00:56 !mesages 16:00:57 er 16:00:59 !messages 16:01:00 (1/1) johnstein said (47m 10s ago): I think I forgot to tell you, I think I got the new faithful untangled and updated on CBRO. fyi 16:01:04 yes, to that 16:07:07 -!- Dirtsage has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:07:18 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:23:53 FR: 16:24:00 if you are in treeform when you die 16:24:09 your ghost should not get all the treeform bonuses 16:27:43 your ghost should also be a tree IMHO 16:27:59 i suppose that would be the other option 16:29:11 I just think it'd be funny to have a bunch of ghost trees 16:30:56 do ghost trees have 0 ev? 16:31:47 depends on if the wind is blowing 16:34:37 PleasingFungus, yes but its still rather dumb 16:34:38 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Anerion/morgue-Anerion-20151226-210810.txt 16:35:02 well, im not sure if the ghost carrys the low EV over. i assume it does 16:35:06 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:35:19 agreed that it's dumb. would require rewriting some ghost code 16:35:23 could put it on mantis as an FR 16:35:35 I hear we needed more of those 16:35:41 fr? implementable? 16:35:42 implementable. 16:37:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:39:25 -!- pintc has quit [Changing host] 16:43:20 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:41 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:56 -!- roadmap has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:53:55 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 16:54:20 -!- beogh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:07 Hey guys I've found another bug: I told my allies (including a mercenary merfolk) to 'w'ait, I went down some stairs, I immediately came back up, and the mercenary merfolk was completely gone 16:55:41 i approve of ru now showing how much piety you will have for making a given sacrifice 16:55:46 whoever did that 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:24 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:09:43 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:19:45 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:22:32 -!- Guest70922 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:53 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:24:56 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 17:30:16 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35:00 -!- pintc has quit [Changing host] 17:35:11 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:35:16 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35:49 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest22665 17:36:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.1/20151216175450]] 17:37:38 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:43:25 -!- fruitloops7 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:44:06 -!- HolyRage has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:44:15 -!- HolyRage_ is now known as HolyRage 17:45:45 -!- Guest22665 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:41 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:53:25 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:57 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-918-g58938db (34) 18:05:35 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:10:51 -!- Zigma has quit [Client Quit] 18:23:16 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:23:51 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:25:20 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:19 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:33 -!- Cerpin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:00 !lg * recent op-- x=absdepth !--ak won 18:32:01 368. [absdepth=1] vale the Grand Master (L27 OpWz of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-12-26 19:08:57, with 1462125 points after 117639 turns and 7:43:58. 18:32:11 ? 18:32:15 I don't understand absdepth. why is a won game absdepth = 1? 18:32:27 or is that only set on death? 18:33:04 the last level you were on was D:1 18:33:08 !lg * D:1 x=absdepth 18:33:11 1340556. [absdepth=1] SkinnyP the Ruffian (L1 DrTm), slain by a giant gecko on D:1 on 2015-12-26 23:32:24, with 4 points after 275 turns and 0:00:26. 18:34:02 oh. though absdepth was the max depth you made it to 18:34:08 uh 18:34:10 no 18:34:10 s/though/thought 18:34:16 no, it's a thing for assigning depth equivalents to braches 18:34:16 oops 18:34:25 yea. I knew that 18:34:37 hm, I wonder what actually does use absdepth these days 18:34:40 but thought I could assess how 'far' a char got by their absdepth. oops 18:34:44 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:55 ??lg 18:34:55 listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 18:39:43 Onionns (L27 NaGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 551: mid cache bogosity: mid 53343 points to deep elf demonologist mindex=13 mid=53371 (Abyss:2) 18:39:47 ??eveningstar 18:39:47 eveningstar[1/1]: (maces & flails; -1 acc / 15 dam / 1.5 base delay / 0.7 min delay). The opposite of a morningstar. The highest base damage weapon in the game that you can wield with a shield, the same as a {double sword}. 18:40:07 ??doublesword 18:40:08 doublesword ~ double sword[1/2]: (long blades; -1 acc / 15 dam / 1.5 base delay / 0.7 min delay). The highest base damage weapon in the game that you can wield with a shield, minimally better than demon blade and slightly worse than the autumn katana, and exactly the same as an {eveningstar}. 18:40:22 ??demon blade 18:40:23 demon blade[1/1]: (long blades; -1 acc / 13 dam / 1.3 base delay / 0.6 min delay). A terrible weapon, forged in the fires of Hell. Can be {bless}ed into a {eudemon blade}. 18:41:07 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 18:41:51 Onionns (L27 NaGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 551: mid cache bogosity: mid 53572 points to DEAD MONSTER mindex=34 mid=0 (Abyss:3) 18:42:20 you guys have any guidance on when eveningstars start to show up in the game? 18:43:50 "whenever they feel like it" 18:43:54 -!- beogh has left ##crawl-dev 18:43:58 basically don't count on ever finding an 18:43:59 oh 18:44:54 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:47:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:48:24 -!- Cerpin has quit [Quit: Changing server] 18:49:12 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:15 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:52:47 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 18:54:41 -!- FireSight has quit [] 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:22 -!- Sprort has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 19:00:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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23:13:53 shouldn't they already be landed? 23:13:56 being lords and all 23:14:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:14:34 ProzacElf: o/ 23:15:15 so why is it that bolt spells completely ignore SV 23:15:30 i'm just saying, they wouldn't be very lordly if they didn't have vast estates 23:15:45 I was just giving you a high five for that joke 23:16:57 *SH 23:17:43 Lightli: it just goes through the shield 23:21:58 yeah, I died to aizul because he kept spamming venom bolt rather than poison arrow 23:22:22 smart snake 23:22:24 it just feels like so many things past midgame don't care about SH at all and it's kind of "is it even worth it" 23:23:36 anything that ignores EV also ignores SH save for OOD, then anything penetrating gets to completely ignore it 23:25:33 !lg lightli recent !boring xl>=17 / won 23:25:34 34/62 games for lightli (recent !boring xl>=17): N=34/62 (54.84%) 23:25:39 knew it 23:25:59 !lg lightli recent boring xl>=17 tras 23:26:00 No games for lightli (recent boring xl>=17 tras). 23:26:05 !lg lightli recent !boring xl>=17 tras 23:26:06 4. darkli the Brawler (L20 TrAs of Makhleb), blasted by Aizul (bolt of poison) on Vaults:3 (vaults_mumra_minichess) on 2015-12-27 04:10:45, with 291803 points after 38787 turns and 1:13:51. 23:26:16 basically that combo is goddamn cursed for me 23:28:29 !lg * recent br.enter=lair x=avg(turns) 23:28:30 Unknown field: br.enter 23:28:36 !lm * recent br.enter=lair x=avg(turns) 23:28:39 100715 milestones for * (recent br.enter=lair): avg(turn)=11836.25 23:30:17 !lm * recent br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl >= 17 / won 23:30:17 '' is not an integer in 'lg:xl>=' 23:30:22 !lm * recent br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>= 17 / won 23:30:23 '' is not an integer in 'lg:xl>=' 23:30:29 !lm * recent br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17 / won 23:30:40 10580/35221 milestones for * (recent br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17): N=10580/35221 (30.04%) 23:30:50 !lm greaterplayers recent br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17 / won 23:31:13 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:13 2460/3595 milestones for greaterplayers (recent br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17): N=2460/3595 (68.43%) 23:31:23 !lm centuryplayers recent br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17 / won 23:31:38 1676/2339 milestones for centuryplayers (recent br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17): N=1676/2339 (71.65%) 23:32:07 !lm centuryplayers !boring recent br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17 / won 23:32:24 1676/2325 milestones for centuryplayers (!boring recent br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17): N=1676/2325 (72.09%) 23:32:53 !lm devteamnp !boring recent !gfspeed br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17 / won 23:33:04 !lm devteamnp !boring recent !gfspeed br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17 s=name o=% / won 23:33:09 217/296 milestones for devteamnp (!boring recent !gfspeed br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17): N=217/296 (73.31%) 23:33:25 217/296 milestones for devteamnp (!boring recent !gfspeed br.enter=lair turns>7000 lg:xl>=17): 1/1x felirx [100.00%], 3/3x PleasingFungus [100.00%], 54/56x elliptic [96.43%], 32/35x amalloy [91.43%], 5/6x gammafunk [83.33%], 4/5x ontoclasm [80.00%], 28/36x Medar [77.78%], 9/12x MarvinPA [75.00%], 59/87x Lasty [67.82%], 3/5x doy [60.00%], 11/19x dpeg [57.89%], 1/2x bh [50.00%], 2/6x wheals [33.33%]... 23:33:59 that wheals%... 23:34:11 It does seem kind of unfair that what could easily constitute a major defense is completely ignored by a ridiculous portion of threats later on 23:34:39 it's like shields are the poison magic of defenses, except poison arrow actually works on more things in Zot than SH 23:34:54 !kw gfspeed 23:34:54 Keyword: gfspeed => char=heie|hesu|deie|desu|mibe|vsie|hogl|grgl|vsfi 23:35:04 uh 23:35:16 uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 23:35:30 ??uh 23:35:30 I don't have a page labeled uh in my learndb. Did you mean: bh, ch, eh, gh, h, hu, nh, sh, th, u, uc. 23:35:41 gammafunk: To elaborate, you can cast poison arrow at orbs of fire and it might do damage 23:35:47 SH has literally no effect against orbs of fire 23:35:59 why are you elaborating to me 23:36:11 I don't know 23:36:17 k, just checking 23:38:45 on the other hand, sh can be useful against aliches 23:39:16 i feel a lot beefier with a shield than without against a lot of things in the late game fwiw 23:40:03 the things that fail to check sh can be resisted with resists, and you still get all that additional protection vs. all those things like melee and bolts that do check sh 23:40:35 I mean, shields are unecessary for most characters, but that doesn't have anything to do with what the block 23:40:39 *they 23:40:43 yeah, I'm just kind of miffed that I got a stellar character killed because I didn't immediately teleport away from the nastiest poison unique in the game 23:41:03 !lg lightli splat 23:41:04 144. darkli the Brawler (L20 TrAs of Makhleb), blasted by Aizul (bolt of poison) on Vaults:3 (vaults_mumra_minichess) on 2015-12-27 04:10:45, with 291803 points after 38787 turns and 1:13:51. 23:41:20 gammafunk: the only source of rpois that entire game was a ring with -6 slaying 23:41:21 dying ti aizul as xl20 tr seems like it had nothing to do with your sh 23:41:32 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:41:34 the only source? 23:41:37 yup 23:41:41 !lg lightli splat log 23:41:42 144. darkli, XL20 TrAs, T:38787: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/darkli/morgue-darkli-20151227-041045.txt 23:41:54 the only source 23:41:56 aside from two 23:42:00 potions of resistance 23:42:07 sitting in inventory 23:42:07 oh duh resistance potions 23:42:27 I went on tilt after the greater servant spawned hostile 23:42:41 mmm, 6 scrollsof blinking 23:42:50 and I thought I would at least get the teleport off since the cacodemon was blocking direct LOS to Aizul 23:42:55 but he just spammed venom bolts through instead 23:43:14 didn't he spam venom bolts specifically because the cacodemon was rpois...? 23:43:40 anyway 23:43:44 B - 6 scrolls of blinking 23:44:05 yeah a second blink would have saved me there 23:44:44 gammafunk: You will be pleased to hear the last good one before this died to a death cob 23:44:54 not even because of hunger, but because 25 speed + 35 damage melee hurts 23:45:04 !lg lightli splat -2 log 23:45:05 143/144. darkli, XL26 TrAs, T:68472: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/darkli/morgue-darkli-20151227-005022.txt 23:45:13 noice 23:45:13 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 23:45:17 Well lasty made those, I'd be happy if you died in moonbase though 23:45:28 hah 23:45:29 .gfgk br=wizlab s=name 23:45:30 38 games for * (kmap~~gammafunk|wizlab_lehudib br!=D|lair kmap!~~entry|enter|runelock br=wizlab): 2x comborobin, perunasaurus, Gerad, OffsetSiren, Angmar, Haplo13, ToastedZergling, Crut, axujen, Turgon, Laxior, schizoid, Modulate, filthyDubstepDrop, trantor, LetItHappen, mdk, 4thArraOfDagon, mia, TugoseryaHuesosov, Sharkman1231, Surr, jjaeworm, penismuncher, superterranean, listentometal, ElderVII... 23:45:38 feel free to add yourself to that list 23:45:38 !lg * place=moonbase 23:45:39 No games for * (place=moonbase). 23:45:46 nice place 23:45:49 oh hey, the pan ending to orc 23:45:51 !lg * kmap~~wizlab_lehudib 23:45:52 38. Surr the End of an Era (L15 GrAr of Qazlal), blown up by an eye of devastation in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2015-12-24 23:23:37, with 86086 points after 19579 turns and 0:53:42. 23:45:53 I haven't seen moonbase once yet 23:45:56 i haven't seen that since the shortening 23:45:58 !lg * kmap~~wizlab_lehudib log 23:46:00 38. Surr, XL15 GrAr, T:19579: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Surr/morgue-Surr-20151224-232337.txt 23:46:08 also just to check, do invisible enemies get to ignore SH 23:46:09 .wizrank moonland 23:46:15 179/3933 milestones for * (br.enter=wizlab milestone!~~hellbinder|cloud|erinya|upun|cekugob|borgnjor|a_wizard moonland): 46/589x entered Lehudib's Moon Base. [7.81%], 38/529x entered Doroklohe's Tomb. [7.18%], 30/566x entered Wucad Mu's Monastery. [5.30%], 26/560x entered Iskenderun's Mystic Tower. [4.64%], 17/556x entered The Roulette of Golubria. [3.06%], 12/553x entered Zonguldrok's Shrine. [2.... 23:46:15 qaz in moonbase 23:46:16 (assuming you don't see invis) 23:46:16 still no. 1 23:46:31 Q - 6 scrolls of teleportation {unknown} 23:46:36 wow, someone's living life on the wild side 23:47:29 is that all the wizlabs? 23:47:41 !lg canofworms !boring xl>=17 / won 23:47:41 oh 23:47:43 15/26 games for canofworms (!boring xl>=17): N=15/26 (57.69%) 23:47:43 nevermind 23:47:50 somehow I knew he was a splatter 23:47:56 !lg canofworms !boring xl>=17 recent / won 23:47:57 i've still never seen moonbase, mystic tower, or zonguldrok 23:47:57 12/19 games for canofworms (!boring xl>=17 recent): N=12/19 (63.16%) 23:48:05 getting better at least 23:48:10 I've never seen fleshworks 23:48:27 but i've seen doro's and hellbinder like 5 times each 23:48:30 anyways, do invisible enemies ignore SH if you don't see invis, or was the invisible enemy that kept hitting me just bad luck? 23:48:31 i like fleshworks 23:48:39 I think invis enemies ignore SH? 23:48:47 ??invis 23:48:48 invisibility[1/5]: If you are invisible, monsters won't shoot ranged attacks at you unless they can see you, or can guess where you are. Monsters get a random fuzz to their aiming point, which might be inaccurate in the first place. 23:48:52 ??invis[2 23:48:53 invisibility[2/5]: Monsters can guess your position when you are invisible if they knew your position before and you are still within two spaces, if you are in water, or if they are adjacent to you and make a roll based on their intelligence (usually 1 chance in 3). The chance is higher if they are smarter. 23:48:56 ??invis[3 23:48:56 invisibility[3/5]: Beams shot at you by monsters who can't see you (even if they can sense you) have their accuracy cut in half. Monsters trying to melee you without see invisible and who have correctly guessed your location have their accuracy reduced by 35%. 23:48:57 actually, i thinkk roulette is my favorite one i've seen 23:49:01 ??invis[4 23:49:02 invisibility[4/5]: If you are invisible, and don't have see invisible, you receive -5 to hit (same as amulet of inaccuracy). If you are attacking a monster you cannot see, you receive -6 to hit. (These stack, of course). Your accuracy is no longer reduced when invisible with no SInv in 0.18+. 23:49:02 ??invisibility [4] 23:49:03 invisibility[4/5]: If you are invisible, and don't have see invisible, you receive -5 to hit (same as amulet of inaccuracy). If you are attacking a monster you cannot see, you receive -6 to hit. (These stack, of course). Your accuracy is no longer reduced when invisible with no SInv in 0.18+. 23:49:07 ??invisibility [5] 23:49:08 invisibility[5/5]: Fleeing monsters always know which way is away from you whether they can sense you or not. 23:49:08 ??invis[5 23:49:08 invisibility[5/5]: Fleeing monsters always know which way is away from you whether they can sense you or not. 23:49:13 if you're invisible 23:49:14 ??sh 23:49:14 shield[1/5]: Wearing a shield gives you a chance to block all damage from some attacks, including arrows, melee, and some spells. Shields prevent off-hand attacks, and until you have enough skill they also slow your melee attacks and make it harder to cast spells. They always slow down UC even after the breakpoints. 23:49:18 all that's about player invis 23:49:21 ??sh[2 23:49:21 shield[2/5]: You need 4/15/25 skill to eliminate evasion, melee speed, and casting penalties for bucklers/shields/large shields for normal races, 5.6/21/- for kobolds and halflings, 7.2/-/- for spriggans, 2.4/9/15 for nagas, centaurs, and formicids, -/9/15 for trolls and ogres. 23:49:22 yeah 23:49:24 ??sh[3 23:49:25 shield[3/5]: Shields can be enchanted to +3 (higher in 0.15). Each enchantment increases SH by 1. Bucklers (5 SH, -1 EV); Shields (8 SH, -3 EV); Large Shield (13 SH, -5 EV). Every level of shield skill increases SH by 1/20 of the base shield value. You get an effective SH bonus based on your str and dex (large and regular) or dex (for bucklers). 23:49:27 ??sh[4 23:49:28 shield[4/5]: You will block a missile if a random number up to 130% of the missile to-hit is less than a random number (on 2 dice) up to 2/3 of your SH; a melee instead uses a random number up to 15 + to-hit / 2. Both to-pass-shield values are inflated by 5 * (previous blocks this turn)^2. 23:49:31 ??sh[5 23:49:32 shield formulas[1/2]: Adjusted shield evasion penalty = base penalty - (shield skill / (5 + size factor)) 23:49:37 ??unseen 23:49:38 I don't have a page labeled unseen in my learndb. 23:49:42 ??unseen_horror 23:49:42 unseen horror[1/5]: "These creatures are usually unseen by the eyes of most, and those few who have seen them would rather not have." Moves like a bat, and invisible. A purple x if you can see invisible. The bane of mages and EV fighters everywhere. 23:49:45 it's kind of weird how none of those discuss what SH can't protect against 23:49:56 ??unseen_horror[2 23:49:56 unseen horror[2/5]: Good strategies include mephitic cloud, hallways, and teleporting. Bad strategies include running (unless a hasted spriggan) and fighting in the open. Poison and sticky flame can be useful if you can hit it at least once. Refrigeration and toxic radiance work. Corona/Sunlight works, too, if you have it. Also try Summon Butterflies. 23:50:03 someone tell CanOfWorms how to PM 23:50:04 ??unseen_horror[3 23:50:05 unseen horror[3/5]: Taking them through clouds or shallow water will let you see where they are. 23:50:10 >:o 23:50:19 ??unseen_horror[4 23:50:20 or at least the weird corner case of SH being able to "dodge" IOOD while EV can't 23:50:20 unseen horror[4/5]: Their MR is pretty bad too, if that gives you any ideas. 23:50:30 before he reads the entire learndb in channel 23:50:35 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:36 ??unseen_horror[5 23:50:36 unseen horror[5/5]: Practice fighting unseen horrors by making the glyph for bats the same as the glyph for floor! (They move the same way) 23:50:40 rip 23:51:13 well if one good thing comes from this, we can add whatever the answer is to the learndb for future reference 23:51:45 that shield formula in [4 is still accurate that seems like it's more complicated than it needs to be 23:51:59 s/*if* 23:52:08 wasn't pleasingfungus planning to overhaul shields? 23:52:24 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:52:29 nope, shield still works against invis monsters according to crawl wiki 23:52:33 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 23:52:34 2d(2×SH)/6 - 1.3 (Divided by 3 against melee attacks from invisible opponents) 23:52:34 k 23:52:43 so less effective but still works 23:53:00 According To The Wiki 23:53:30 yes 23:53:36 implicit * there 23:53:37 For sheild reform, PF had a plan to automatically inscribe shields with USE YOUR GODDAM SCROLLS AND POTIONS 23:53:37 is the wiki still godawful or is it at least tolerable 23:53:56 yes 23:54:06 I am very bad at stopping in bad situations to think of a good solution 23:54:30 !lg lightli !boring xl>=17 / won 23:54:31 117/260 games for lightli (!boring xl>=17): N=117/260 (45.00%) 23:54:35 as demonstrated by taht 23:59:52 ??plan 23:59:52 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans