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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 02:57:34 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:27 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:04:19 -!- zxc1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:16 -!- zxc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:07:19 -!- zxc1 is now known as zxc 03:10:27 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19:20 Grunt: getting 3 pakellas enhancers on lamp of fire is pretty cool though 03:20:20 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:20:53 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25:52 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-912-g81d1dc4 (34) 03:27:19 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:27:36 how many fire elementals is that, amalloy? 03:28:21 i mean, it's just like using }fire with a higehr evo rating 03:28:29 i think i got three fire trails and 3ish elementals 03:28:37 they trashed kirke and a shambling mangrove 03:28:52 oh. was thinking maybe it would get you past the max you could do without pak 03:29:05 it might 03:29:05 into UNCHARTED territory 03:29:07 or something 03:29:12 but i was only at like 14 evo 03:38:08 FR: rename beef jerky to just "jerky" 03:38:37 when you eat it, the message should be "the [monster] jerky is delicious!" 03:39:01 randomly chosen monster each time, edible corpse types only 03:39:18 +1 03:39:37 anyone know how to recharge an XP evokable in wizmode? 03:39:51 gaining an experience level didn't work 03:43:02 tweaking the object properties doesn't seem to be it either 03:43:58 cut up tarantella, eat it, "the fire dragon jerky is delicious!" 03:44:27 jerky cant be made by player in game so that doesn't make sense 03:44:40 aaah 03:45:02 jerky is basically preserved chunks, true 03:45:30 incorporate meat preservation techniques from URW into crawl 03:45:33 dammity now I'm hungry for beefy jerky 03:45:47 URW? 03:46:00 ah 03:46:02 URR? 03:46:25 "The game is set in a very realistic gameworld, full of elements from Finnish mythology and folklore. Instead of standard AD&D character classes, you play as member of one of the ten Finnish cultures with authentic occupations, including a fisherman, a hermit, a trapper, or even a tradesman" 03:46:45 this is pretty annoying that I can't figure out how to reset this lamp of fire so I can test it again 03:47:00 Of course finns would make a roguelike about scraping out a subsistence living in the bitter cold at the edge of the world 03:47:12 one finn, but the point remains 03:48:26 johnstein: &m orb of fire, x=^k 03:49:01 " The monetary system was removed, "abundant imported goods" and metal goods were trimmed, new types of animal traps added, agriculture became possible for the player, and hideworking was expanded to allow the player to produce furs and leather. These changes further centered the gameplay on self-sufficiency." 03:49:10 oh. ^k is nice! 03:49:11 ty amalloy 03:49:55 no mention of hunting and trapping Russians, guess that's in the next version 03:49:57 hm, what gives more xp than OOF? hell lords? 03:50:04 @??orb of fire 03:50:04 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 138-162 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 8535 | Sp: b.fire (3d40) [06!sil], fireball (3d43) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 03:50:07 @??antaeus 03:50:07 Antaeus (11C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 633-716 | AC/EV: 28/4 | Dam: 7512(cold:22-65), 3012(cold:22-65) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, unholy, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 11elec+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 16724 | Sp: b.lightning (3d25) [06!sil], flash freeze (3d29) [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int:.. 03:50:45 twice as much! i bet i speak for the entire playerbase when i say i would rather fight 2 OOFs than antaeus 03:50:53 +1 03:51:15 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51:18 !lm . uniq=antaeus 03:51:19 No milestones for amalloy (uniq=antaeus). 03:51:25 !lm . rune=icy 03:51:26 4. [2015-10-20 10:16:54] amalloy the Conqueror (L27 VSFi of Cheibriados) found an icy rune of Zot on turn 84304. (Coc:7) 03:51:34 technically I just need enough to recharge the lamp. is that a set amount of XP? 03:51:42 no 03:51:46 well 03:51:48 i don't think so 03:51:53 but i don't know how much it is, anyway 03:52:45 amalloy: how do I get/use the pakellas enhancers? 03:52:48 supercharge? 03:52:52 * johnstein is new to pakellas 03:52:55 surge 03:53:09 abVf 03:53:26 where f is your lamp 03:53:31 ??device surge 03:53:31 device surge[1/1]: {Pakellas}' 3* ability. Spend up to 9 MP to get up to 3 evocations {enhancer}s on your next use of an evokable. Enhancers are determined by MP spent; maximum MP used is determined by piety. 03:53:35 -!- Guest29294 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:53:51 ah that's right, I don't keep surging to get more enhancers. 03:53:53 ty 03:54:41 the thing that puzzles me about pakellas is it feels like it just turns your MP bar into another piety meter 03:54:59 you gain MP and piety for killing stuff, and spend XP and piety on god abilities 03:55:02 hm. I can't get more than 3 so far 03:55:04 er, MP 03:55:08 3 is the most 03:55:24 oh you mean elementals, not enhancers 03:55:34 you get higher-hd elementals at higher evo 03:55:44 yea. elementals 03:56:00 playing around with evo 27 + pak surge 03:57:22 johnstein: you get 1 fire ele per trail of fire, exactly 03:57:38 and 1-3 trails 03:57:59 !function _num_evoker_elementals 03:57:59 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/evoke.cc#l1289 03:59:13 looks like a nice hard limit of 3 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:15 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest44432 04:05:11 -!- Guest44432 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:13:27 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:13:37 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 04:27:02 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:28:17 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:07 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:38:45 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:44:42 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:46:43 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:47:19 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 04:57:31 -!- mango_lives has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:58:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:57 -!- Idolo has quit [] 05:05:37 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:22:27 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:26:41 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:28:49 -!- Skybreaker has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:31:00 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:31:29 -!- beogh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:36:01 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:36:34 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:46:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:58:59 -!- BOMR has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:17:12 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:22:24 -!- zhaorenw has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:31:07 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:31:13 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:40 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:39:17 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45:42 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:46:36 Hahah. I think I got my zig fig slurped by a jelly, because it generated between the portals and not in the protected vault. 06:52:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:56 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:04:32 Zig fig on zig:27 got slurped 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10203 by Xenobreeder 07:13:25 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:23:30 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:33:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:44 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:38:33 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:39:27 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52:54 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:06:13 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:09:27 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:14:21 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:27:42 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 08:33:22 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:50:12 -!- DDFi has quit [Client Quit] 08:56:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:02 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:04:13 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:02 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:03 -!- Dirtsage has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:12:52 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:17:48 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:22:22 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:30:41 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:39:18 -!- tensorpudding is now known as plumpudding 09:46:29 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:54 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:49:56 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 09:57:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 10:03:38 -!- Torax_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:20:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:23:40 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:25:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 10:27:49 -!- entirely_liquid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:36:24 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:16 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:38:25 -!- EriktheRed___ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:41:07 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44:17 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:46:24 -!- cojitoo is now known as cojito 10:58:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 !tell wheals It was not merely "an attempt to add a minotaur unique..." it was the epic success of adding the greatest minotaur unique in all of roguelike history!!! 11:00:03 gammafunk: OK, I'll let wheals know. 11:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:25 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:33 -!- vale_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:12 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:23:24 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:57 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:23:59 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:08 should zig figs be unslurpable? 11:24:08 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:24:45 PleasingFungus: could just put them in the anti-slurp box? 11:24:56 stop thinking outside the slurp box!!! 11:25:33 well, here's another question: should jiyva players have to worry about their zigfig getting slurped in tomb:3? 11:25:38 actual question. 11:25:43 oh 11:26:09 there's an argument for 'yes', but there's also an argument for 'this is a very special treasure, like old geryon's horn, and shouldn't be slurpable.' 11:27:42 it finally sounds like a good time to brimg up my Slurporoklohe's Tomb spell idea 11:27:45 *bring 11:28:10 ! 11:28:30 item_is_jelly_edible() and _item_ok_to_clean() are the two functions we'd want to change. probably should change the latter in any case. 11:28:34 yeah you have a point there; what all things are unslurpable anyhow 11:28:44 !source _item_ok_to_clean 11:28:44 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/items.cc#l171 11:28:58 that's not the one you're looking for, sorry 11:29:03 !source item_is_jelly_edible 11:29:04 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc#l2842 11:29:23 artefacts, horn of geryon, runes, orb, stones and large rocks 11:29:37 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:29:41 honestly I'd thought we'd made the horn of geryon edible, but I guess it's still an artefact? 11:29:43 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 11:29:51 yeah, it seems to me that an exception would be fine; if it were just the zig I'd say move the figurine, but 11:30:18 right, I think it's seen as an artefact since it's one-of-a-kind 11:31:00 I'm ok with adding an exception for zigfigs 11:31:08 fwiw (it's not worth much) 11:32:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:32:52 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:33:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:35:37 @??eidolon 11:35:37 eidolon (07W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 56-88 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 2713(drain speed), 1702(drain stat) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(140), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1136 | Sp: b.draining (3d21) [06!sil], cause fear [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 11:35:39 @??revenant 11:35:39 revenant (10L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 67-93 | AC/EV: 8/12 | Dam: 26 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1923 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d23), spectral cloud, dispel undead (3d27), blink away [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 11:35:54 hm 11:36:01 sorry, thinking about something else 11:36:20 @??shadow wraith 11:36:20 shadow wraith (13W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 42-67 | AC/EV: 7/7 | Dam: 2713(drain speed) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 769 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 11:36:37 right, eidolons are the ones that look like wraiths 11:36:54 was looking at the crypt list and remember what they were 11:36:57 *and trying to 11:38:44 -!- smajdalf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:39:17 -!- vale_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:52 !lg * recent br=crypt s=cikiller% 11:40:53 375 games for * (recent br=crypt): 44x an ancient lich (11.73%), 27x the fury of Okawaru (7.20%), 24x a lich (6.40%), 23x (6.13%), 20x the rage of Trog (5.33%), 16x a jiangshi (4.27%), 15x a phantasmal warrior (4.00%), 15x an ancient champion (4.00%), 15x a curse skull (4.00%), 13x Khufu (3.47%), 11x a vampire knight (2.93%), 11x a revenant (2.93%), 11x a vampire mage (2.93%), 8x a necromancer (2.... 11:40:55 !lg * recent br=crypt s=killer% 11:40:55 375 games for * (recent br=crypt): 30x an ancient lich (8.00%), 30x a jiangshi (8.00%), 29x a phantasmal warrior (7.73%), 23x (6.13%), 21x a stone giant (5.60%), 12x an ancient champion (3.20%), 12x a vampire knight (3.20%), 10x a titan (2.67%), 10x a spellforged servitor (2.67%), 10x a revenant (2.67%), 9x a lich (2.40%), 8x an eidolon (2.13%), 7x a skeletal warrior (1.87%), 7x a reaper (1.87%), ... 11:41:15 they're a little weak by the time you get to crypt, though not completely worthless 11:41:37 oh, huh, they're from dwarf 11:41:38 !lm * br.enter=crypt !boring recent / lg:br=crypt 11:41:45 368/11546 milestones for * (br.enter=crypt !boring recent): N=368/11546 (3.19%) 11:41:50 god, 3% 11:42:06 I imagine before crypt reform it was even worse 11:42:16 what version was crypt reform? 11:42:17 I recall old crypt as basically never being dangerous 11:42:21 it was 11:42:24 a lot of zombies 11:42:26 uh, want to say maybe 0.13? 11:42:32 and a lot of skeletons. 11:42:38 !lm * br.enter=crypt !boring cv=0.12 / lg:br=crypt 11:42:45 42/1051 milestones for * (br.enter=crypt !boring cv=0.12): N=42/1051 (4.00%) 11:42:48 hm 11:43:19 yeah there's probably a "people better at crawl" factor 11:43:21 to some extent 11:43:24 %git 003dbf3ca55cc0b004b90f59ffc37163de45c264 11:43:24 07DracoOmega02 * 0.13-a0-1002-g003dbf3: New monster: Jiangshi 10(2 years, 7 months ago, 7 files, 32+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/003dbf3ca55c 11:43:30 gammafunk: isn't that backwards? 11:43:39 !lm * br.enter=crypt !boring cv<=0.12 / lg:br=crypt 11:43:43 well no, they were worse in 0.12 11:43:47 so they died more to weaker things 11:43:48 oh, right 11:43:49 1156/20432 milestones for * (br.enter=crypt !boring cv<=0.12): N=1156/20432 (5.66%) 11:43:50 you're right 11:43:52 I was backwards 11:43:56 !flip PleasingFungus 11:43:56 (╯°□°)╯︵snƃunℲƃuᴉsɐǝlԀ 11:44:04 and now I'm upside-down! 11:44:06 need a !reverse 11:44:57 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:47:30 !tell Lasty found a fan of Harm! http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3750248&userid=176362&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post454221373 (and some previous posts) 11:47:31 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 11:47:38 also, hrm 11:47:42 does harm mean that torment can kill players, again? 11:47:49 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:01 Lasty was saying that it doesn't 11:48:30 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 11:48:33 ok, good. 11:48:57 gammafunk: http://sprunge.us/aVNf any opinion? 11:49:07 or anyone else who's in here, but I think it's just us (spooky) 11:49:52 without commenting on design, "creatures out of nightmare" 11:50:20 this is making these creatures as durable summons? 11:50:33 I noticed the howl wolves were this way 11:51:02 presently, yeah. I'd be fine with them being non-durable, but I don't want them to poof when the wolf dies, and we don't have any precedent/way to communicate that a summon is temporary but not bound to its summoner 11:51:06 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:52:56 I'm not coming down one way or the other, but one of the reason we made the summoner poof thing was because it was felt that durable summons are pretty annoying for the player to deal with 11:53:31 their use in god wrath was seen as a special case for not avoiding an important strategic factor 11:53:42 *for not allowing the player to avoid 11:54:10 of course it's kind of mixed success there, since it's a lot safer to just teleport/run from those and fight them 1v1, but 11:54:20 sure 11:54:26 I'm not sure it's wise to try to reintroduce durable summons 11:54:33 I mean, can't they be actual monsters? 11:54:39 they were initially 11:54:50 then someone took a doomhound up into vestibule and dug a killlhole 11:54:54 and began farming infinite hounds 11:54:55 hah 11:55:06 I argued that it's extended so you have infinite xp anyway 11:55:10 but others weren't convinced 11:55:11 well, I guess you could go the shambling mangrove approach, a one-time effect? 11:55:17 or is that just not very good 11:55:17 ? 11:55:23 one-time for what 11:55:38 it makes them just once or a limited number of times 11:55:54 mangroves make their hornets based on damage only once, but they're actual monsters 11:55:58 well, if we were still summoning more doom hounds when we howled, then... 11:56:02 -!- l is now known as Guest92262 11:56:20 yeah I mean, you want to both make more doom hounds and make these spooky things? 11:56:29 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:56:38 doom hounds are spooky. could remove them from the set. 11:56:47 are you going for a kind of 11:57:02 "you keep these guys around, the monster spam gets out of control" 11:57:34 yeah I mean it starts to feel a bit like doom hounds are just giving you the hell effect 11:57:38 the one that summons monsters 11:57:39 not the same ofc 11:57:51 yeah, there's a similarity there 11:58:22 the goal was more of "you run into these guys and don't kill them fast, you get more nastiness dumped on your head." the hell effect also dumps nastiness on your head. 11:58:28 more distinctive when it's pure doom hounds, of course. 11:59:04 yeah, the difference would remain as "you don't get to see when hell effects are coming, nor are those effects always making monsters" 11:59:19 yeah 11:59:21 hrm, I wonder if 11:59:36 you could do it like, tar hound begins the fight, you get Howl duration 11:59:54 as the duration goes, spooky monsters (not including tar hounds) get created as real monsters 12:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:11 eventually the duration ends, never gets set again by that hound 12:00:20 if you kill the hound 12:00:29 duration from that hound ends right away 12:00:30 -!- Torax_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:00:42 is that something like what you were going for? 12:00:53 everything specifically except the last part 12:00:54 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:10 ah, well that part is negotiable 12:01:19 I guess you could make doom hounds much tankier but it feels way too easy to negate the howl duration otherwise 12:01:47 maybe so, yeah; I guess it feels a bit flat strategically if 12:01:59 "hound in los = you're going to get continuous monster drops" 12:02:05 and there's nothing you can do to stop that 12:02:12 er tactically, not strategically 12:02:23 but yeah it does make it more effective if you can't evade it 12:02:28 Confuse The Hound 12:02:43 but killing it doesn't stop the howl? 12:02:57 confusing it prevents it from howling 12:03:05 yeah I mean, if you prevent the initial howl, sure 12:03:07 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 12:03:13 right if you're happy with that being the overall approach 12:03:17 I mean 12:03:24 after it howls, whether or not it's in LOS doesn't matter 12:03:28 the howl is independent of the hound 12:03:36 it's in your head... 12:03:39 yeah exactly, I mean at that point the hound is pretty irrelevant 12:03:58 sad times 12:04:10 I'm less concerned with flavor, more with the gameplay, but if "howl effect persists regardless of hound" is what you like 12:04:24 neither of us are concerned with the flavor 12:04:27 to be clear 12:04:54 I think if you go either way, maybe just a one-time continuous drop of monsters per hound would be ok, making them actual monsters 12:05:01 yeah 12:05:26 now maybe MarvinPA will tell me how I'm an idiot or there's another reason why it's bad 12:05:34 oh 12:05:35 crypt 12:05:39 when can I bring in vampire lords <.< 12:05:41 or Grunt will flip me or something 12:05:49 (answer: "when we have a good spellset for them"?) 12:05:58 do you have a good spellset for them? 12:06:10 Cause Fear, Enthrall, and Summon Butterflies 12:06:41 the spell is "Mesmerise" <.< 12:06:44 @??jory 12:06:45 Jory (04V) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 166-191 | AC/EV: 20/12 | Dam: 40, 1505(vampiric) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(160), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3961 | Sp: crystal spear (3d37), mesmerise, blink close, vampiric draining [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: .. 12:06:48 feh! 12:06:53 !fear PleasingFungus 12:07:00 * PleasingFungus cowers. 12:07:04 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:07:23 hah, vampiric draining 12:07:33 !lg * killer=jory s=ckaux 12:07:34 262 games for * (killer=jory): 184x crystal spear, 12x by vampiric draining, 7x long sword, 6x great sword, 5x great mace, 3x broad axe, 3x dire flail, 3x halberd, 2x long sword of slicing, 2x bardiche of freezing, 2x bardiche, 2x, 2x battleaxe of chopping, 2x great sword of protection, 2x great mace of protection, 2x glaive, 2x battleaxe, 2x great mace of draining, great mace of crushing, the scy... 12:07:42 !lg * killer=jory recent s=ckaux 12:07:43 56 games for * (killer=jory recent): 38x crystal spear, 4x by vampiric draining, 3x great sword, 2x great mace, 2x long sword of slicing, long sword of electrocution, long sword, , war axe of chopping, bardiche, bardiche of freezing, great sword of slicing 12:07:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:08:05 !lg * killer=jory recent ckaux=vampiric_draining 12:08:06 No games for * (killer=jory recent ckaux=vampiric_draining). 12:08:20 !lg * killer=jory recent ckaux~~vampiric 12:08:21 4. inqbanana the Impaler (L20 MfGl of Ashenzari), blasted by Jory (vampiric draining) on Vaults:2 on 2015-12-18 02:48:00, with 276496 points after 49099 turns and 4:19:20. 12:08:28 !lg * killer=jory recent ckaux~~vampiric x=dam,sdam 12:08:29 -!- Skybreaker has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:08:29 4. [dam=28;sdam=28] inqbanana the Impaler (L20 MfGl of Ashenzari), blasted by Jory (vampiric draining) on Vaults:2 on 2015-12-18 02:48:00, with 276496 points after 49099 turns and 4:19:20. 12:08:40 http://i.imgur.com/lbT0Y7T.png we need to emulate this in our design 12:08:41 can one be "blasted" with vampiric draining? 12:08:54 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:12 also, quiz: which crawl monsters have rN, but not rN+++? 12:09:25 I love the sole, "Her scales is tan" in white 12:09:45 It's good to know. 12:10:13 is it true that regen is aut-based but poison damage is turn-based? 12:10:20 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:48 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:14:00 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:12 !source handle_player_poison 12:14:13 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l4471 12:14:31 -!- Stendhal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:14:40 that is pretty clearly aut-based 12:14:43 I think poison might have been turn-based a few years ago. 12:14:47 yeah 12:14:54 Before it was switched to use the points-of-poison system. 12:15:18 mprf(channel, "You feel %ssick." <- snakes in our messaging code!! 12:15:22 -!- MrRen is now known as Zilis 12:15:28 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:55 ssssick! 12:15:58 ok, thanks. i heard about some strange abuse when you breadswing to survive lethal poison 12:16:27 !bug 5975 12:16:28 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5975 12:16:50 -!- Jessika has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:17:56 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 12:18:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:21:19 gammafunk: give me some flavor for why the hounds can only howl once 12:21:31 I want it to be visible when you x them, it needs a term 12:21:34 "all howled out" 12:21:40 but less bad than that term. 12:22:32 the hounds take a very long time to replenish their connection to the spirit world after howling, so it's likely that they'll only ever have the chance to howl once if you encounter it. 12:22:36 <.< 12:23:37 plausible. so how to put that in one or two words? 12:23:41 Here: a doom hound, 12:24:09 could make it a status if they haven't howled yet: 12:24:14 a doom hound, spiritually charged 12:24:16 >.> 12:24:34 I've been thinking about them calling stuff from some kind of nightmare realm 12:24:52 possibly been thinkin too much about bloodborne (which I can't play, rip). anyway 12:24:58 linked to nightmare 12:24:59 hm 12:25:03 nightmarish 12:25:46 PleasingFungus: alright, so the scene begins with Eresh smoking a cigarette, sitting at her kitchen table, which is made of bones and skulls. Her starcursed hair is twinkling, but frizzled and unkempt, and she's staring blankly out into space in between drags. A doom hound is heard howling in the distant background. You hear roaring flames and creaking as Asmodeus comes lumbering down the stairs, dre 12:25:52 ssed only in an old tshirt and briefs. He sees Ereshkigal and nods in the direction of the howling, "Eresh, I thought I told you to shut them damn hounds up!" 12:25:57 Just let me know how much more you need 12:26:18 dang... 12:26:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-912-g81d1dc4 (34) 12:26:32 this is for the feature-length adaptation, of course. 12:26:38 starcursed hair! 12:27:13 I think I'm going to just say "ready to howl". 12:27:20 since I think a player might potentially understand that. 12:27:53 ready to rumble 12:27:55 heh, it's kind of funny how these are like 12:27:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 12:27:58 "dog spores" 12:28:03 (fr that for something earthy) 12:28:05 except not quite 12:28:35 -!- vale__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:46 explode, cause torment, summon enemies, and create hyperactive deathballistomycetes. 12:28:55 yesss 12:29:10 ballistoDEATHcetes 12:29:27 please please PLEASE let there be a minigame of tracking down the ballistodeathcetes for xp! 12:29:33 !learn add doom_hound alright, so the scene begins with Eresh smoking a cigarette, sitting at her kitchen table, which is made of bones and skulls. Her starcursed hair is twinkling, but frizzled and unkempt, and she's staring blankly out into space in between drags. A doom hound is heard howling in the distant background. 12:29:34 doom hound[2/2]: alright, so the scene begins with Eresh smoking a cigarette, sitting at her kitchen table, which is made of bones and skulls. Her starcursed hair is twinkling, but frizzled and unkempt, and she's staring blankly out into space in between drags. A doom hound is heard howling in the distant background. 12:29:55 Gonna add the rest? 12:29:59 !learn add doom_hound You hear roaring flames and creaking as Asmodeus comes lumbering down the stairs, dressed only in an old tshirt and briefs. He sees Ereshkigal and nods in the direction of the howling, "Eresh, I thought I told you to shut them damn hounds up!" 12:30:00 doom hound[3/3]: You hear roaring flames and creaking as Asmodeus comes lumbering down the stairs, dressed only in an old tshirt and briefs. He sees Ereshkigal and nods in the direction of the howling, "Eresh, I thought I told you to shut them damn hounds up!" 12:30:03 Very good. 12:30:20 !learn add fanfiction see {doom hound[2]} 12:30:20 fanfiction[10/10]: see {doom hound[2]} 12:31:00 A Tartarus Named Desire 12:31:08 I think we've really accomplished something here, today. Together. 12:34:35 hm 12:34:41 what was the last vp lord spell set I came up with 12:34:54 I'm still tempted to give them Mesmerise, but I think that would diminish both Shoals and Jory 12:35:00 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:35:18 yeah 12:36:11 the set in the branch is: Bolt of Draining, Haunt, Paralyse, Invisibility, Blink C lose, Vampiric Draining 12:36:24 which is basically vp mage + vp knight but ramped up a bit (particularly Haunt) 12:36:36 @??death_knight 12:36:37 death knight (03p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 62-93 | AC/EV: 10/9 | Dam: 28 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 927 | Sp: haunt [11!AM], agony [11!AM], injury mirror [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 12:36:44 @??ancient_champion 12:36:45 ancient champion (11z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 63-77 | AC/EV: 23/7 | Dam: 32 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2178 | Sp: b.draining (3d21), stone arrow (3d21), haste / b.venom (3d18), haunt / iron shot (3d26), pain (d15), haste / mystic blast (3.. 12:37:10 I kind of feel like we could remove the Haunt set from ancient champions 12:37:15 yeah 12:37:43 !lg * recent br=crypt s=killer% 12:37:44 375 games for * (recent br=crypt): 30x an ancient lich (8.00%), 30x a jiangshi (8.00%), 29x a phantasmal warrior (7.73%), 23x (6.13%), 21x a stone giant (5.60%), 12x an ancient champion (3.20%), 12x a vampire knight (3.20%), 10x a titan (2.67%), 10x a spellforged servitor (2.67%), 10x a revenant (2.67%), 9x a lich (2.40%), 8x an eidolon (2.13%), 7x a skeletal warrior (1.87%), 7x a reaper (1.87%), ... 12:37:45 sure. 12:37:58 death knights really not doing much work 12:38:04 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:15 I like how good phantasmal warriors are 12:38:21 death knights are pretty rare right now and they're basically skeletal warriors with spells 12:38:30 !lg * recent crypt s=cikiller% 12:38:31 375 games for * (recent crypt): 44x an ancient lich (11.73%), 27x the fury of Okawaru (7.20%), 24x a lich (6.40%), 23x (6.13%), 20x the rage of Trog (5.33%), 16x a jiangshi (4.27%), 15x a curse skull (4.00%), 15x an ancient champion (4.00%), 15x a phantasmal warrior (4.00%), 13x Khufu (3.47%), 11x a vampire knight (2.93%), 11x a vampire mage (2.93%), 11x a revenant (2.93%), 8x an eidolon (2.13%), ... 12:38:57 I don't think they do much aside from "be unique to crypt" 12:39:01 maybe they're in tomb 12:39:05 nope 12:39:19 perhaps they'd be a good fit in another branch, even 12:39:23 zig...... 12:39:24 maybe vaults 12:39:27 also they have pain mirror still, right? 12:39:29 late D 12:39:33 yeah late D 12:39:33 possibly 12:39:49 would need to tune their band set if so 12:39:56 ah, didn't realize they had one 12:40:15 !lg * br=zig cikiller=death_knight 12:40:16 !source mon-place.cc:3258 12:40:17 3. irum the Devastator (L27 DgWz), slain by a phantasmal warrior (summoned by a death knight) on Zig:9 on 2015-10-25 05:48:01, with 721000 points after 71956 turns and 5:57:25. 12:40:18 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc#l3258 12:40:37 actually could just remove the first line if they're in D 12:40:46 well for a monster with haunt 12:41:03 you have to ask if they really need a band (if they're not in crypt) 12:41:15 DKs have haunt because unborn were merged into them 12:41:34 yeah, you could keep the band, remove haunt certainly 12:41:40 pain mirror is their biggest gimmick 12:41:45 I think that would be more interesting than the alternative 12:41:52 esp if we are thinking of placing them in late D 12:41:59 Haunt would be pretty OP against the player at that point 12:42:24 hrm, how is the which variable used here? 12:42:40 "which" is "this is the Nth enemy placed in the band" 12:42:56 so read that line as "2/3 chance of the first enemy being..." 12:42:56 ah 12:43:05 right so you can make a special band member, I see 12:43:20 ya 12:43:46 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:44:17 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 12:46:59 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-913-g85bde43: Rework doom hounds 10(7 minutes ago, 9 files, 36+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85bde4377c21 12:46:59 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-914-g7800def: Make zigfigs more durable (10203) 10(68 seconds ago, 2 files, 10+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7800def131c9 12:47:19 Grunt: yeah, the vampire lords sound not terribly exciting, but it seems you're going kind of for "jory-like monster", which might be effective? 12:47:29 hrm 12:47:34 !killratio jory * recent 12:47:39 jory wins 0.744% of battles against * (recent). 12:47:41 they're meant to serve two purposes 12:48:02 1. LARPING 12:48:07 a) add a new tough enemy to Crypt; and b) serve as a proper "boss" enemy for Crypt endings so we don't get so much plain vampire spam 12:48:08 2. ... 12:48:34 (the latter also serves as an excuse to place them earlier) 12:48:38 (plain vampires, that is) 12:48:52 when you say boss enemy, you mean there's going to be several of these as opposed to "a cloud of popcorn vampires"? 12:49:04 well here's the thing 12:49:22 the crypt endings that place them have e.g. skeletal warriors or guardian mummies as alternate sets 12:49:25 @??skeletal warrior 12:49:26 skeletal warrior (10z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 57-72 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 25 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 770 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 12:49:28 @??guardian mummy 12:49:28 guardian mummy (08M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 7 | HP: 39-52 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 329 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 12:49:38 well guardian mummies may not be the best counterexample here 12:49:39 but 12:49:41 @??vampire 12:49:41 vampire (05V) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 24-43 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 15, 1505(vampiric) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 213 | Sp: vampiric draining, confuse, invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 12:49:53 yeah, right I agree plain vampires are a terrible choice but 12:49:55 plain vampires are considerably weaker than some of the enemies they're in rotation with 12:49:58 so 12:50:05